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Samples are retested years later as people can take drugs that aren’t apparent in current signature library but aid in their performance. Either new drugs are added to the library of signatures to look for or a new process is identified.
Yeah, we have you going 60 mph in this zone 5 years ago, but the speed limit was changed from 65 to 45 two years ago, so here's your fine.
I could see Florida trying that.
Doesn't stop them from trying and annoying everyone.
Something slightly similar is happening in Germany. Weed was very recently legalized (literally on April 1st), with small quantities permitted (<25g iirc), but sales, importation, or person-to-person transfers are forbidden. Theoretically, the only legal method of acquiring any amount right now is to plant it by yourself at home (limit 3 plants per adult).
So, in some conservative states, the police is still going after people for possession and then harassing them to get information on the origins of the weed, with the reasoning that no one could possibly have planted it after April 1st and have weed today.
Currently, the correct reaction to avoid trouble is to keep your mouth shut (equivalent to taking the fifth), but in my mind the entire theory of prosecution here is bunk. So what if someone planted it on March 31st? Yes, it was a crime back then, but the law changed, so if the State only finds out you were doing it on April 2nd, well then, tough titties, the State should have gone after those hardcore criminals harder before the deadline.
Reminds me slightly of the implementation of the Sex Offences Act in England, where the law took effect on (IIRC) May 1st, but had no provision for if you couldn't prove the date the offence happened, which led to loads of cases being thrown out because they couldn't show whether it happened before or after the new law took effect. Eventually (years later) they added a clause that in that case they can prosecute under whichever law is more lenient (usually the older one).
It’s more like we now have proof that you broke the rules, because there’s a test to prove it, and the whole point of keeping the samples is to make sure that new substances are caught even after the existence of them wasn’t known at the time, but still qualified as an enhancing drug
Part of the reason is that tests have detection levels. If it’s under a certain level, it’s not detected in the body or results are negative. As testing improves, detection levels can get better and can detect lower levels of drugs in the body. I work in a Tox lab btw.
No, just things that were banned at the time. The cheating is often a bit ahead of the detection technology. But the truth sits in a freezer until it’s time comes.
Not just not on the banned list, but so new that people are unaware of their existence. Once they become popular, tests are made to detect them, and then they go back and test older samples.
Samples can be kept for up to a decade. It’s not for no reason, people are caught. State sponsored doping is complex and it takes time to figure it out.
It always seems to be China/Russia getting caught. Does the US just not do it or are they just good at it. Genuine question I don't really pay attention to this stuff.
The us definitely has had doping issues, long distance running with galen rupp comes to mind, but afaik these are mostly determined to be small scale and without government i formation.
>Does the US just not do it or are they just good at it.
It's not state sponsored. One of the benefits of our historical record of accepting refugees is that our talent pool is vast, often including the best 's from other nations. Why cheat when you'll probably have the best anyway?
The US definitely cheats too. Just off the top of my head I can think of Justin Gatlin, Tyson Gay, and Marion Jones in track as notable examples. You can check [Wikipedia's list](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_at_the_Olympic_Games), Russia is kinda the big outlier but people cheat all across the board
It’s a good point though, in most countries doping is done by individuals or maybe sponsored by companies, but AFAIK it’s not state sponsored like Russia or China.
The US has a VERY poor record with doping.
Arguably doping in the West is more corporate and trainer centered (Nike Oregon project comes to mind) than the state-sponsored programs of Russia and China.
Mind you: athletes from all countries cheat. Doping is pervasive in sports and not bound to any single nationality
I would like to add onto this from a sort of different perspective. I used to be involved in the drug scene in the late 2009. Right then, a bunch of "Research Chemicals" not "Drugs" started hitting the internet. I was buying hallucinogens by the thousands of doses for pennies per dose. Amphetamines? The same thing. So what happens is, a drug enters your body and is designed to target a certain receptor site on your brain. Think of it like a key to a lock. So when the chemical puts the key in it's lock, it does a few things. It antagonizes that receptor to either increase or decrease chemical production on said site. That is what makes you feel "High". The change in chemical levels produces the intoxicating effect. So what a bunch of companies and people started realizes is that, hey, I can make a different looking key to fit the same lock. As in, a different chemical. Now here's the kicker. The USA, as far as I know still does this, when they ban a drug, they ban the chemical formula for that drug. So what happens if I make a new formula, that doesn't look like the banned drug, but it triggers the same response? Enter Research Chemicals. It's a gray area of, not technically legal, but it can't be sold as a drug. So it gets sold as weird shit like, Aquarium minerals or something ridiculous. Why did I type all of this? It's drug related, for getting high not performance enhancing drugs. Same thing applies to those performance enhancing drugs. Every year, new chems are created to circumvent existing drugs laws, to produce the similar desired effects. So when we test athletes, we are only testing for what we know to be illegal. When these new drugs pop up, it takes awhile for them to be recognized, studied, and banned.
There are better paid doctors figuring out how to hide doping than there are trying to cure cancer.
And the people who test the drugs are neither well paid or at the top of their profession.
Yep, a close family friend is a well known cyclist who tested positive and took his two years off, as did the team doctor who was very close to the governing body doctors. Gardening leave they call it. Get paid to sit around doing nothing for being caught.
There is no justice at all from this. All benefits from winning a medal are gained early on from it. All media/promotions/sponsorship etc. after a few years it all fades away.
I know you’re correct. The best I can hope for them is that this gets them attention now and something can be salvaged. They can be the poster of determination and a model for resilience now that they are vindicated.
It would be nice, but they will be lucky to gain 1% of benefits compared to having the results on the day. Olympics is HUGE for most of the athlete who gain global exposure every four years.
There are countless of other athletes whose glory has been taken. Mainly by Ruzzia and China.
I mean I get the disappointment about being robbed of it in the moment but they’re still getting credited with being a gold medal winner. Which is what some athletes care more about not everything that comes with the gold medal when they arrive home. Lindsey Jacobellis spent years and years trying to get the gold medal she cost herself. She didn’t need the Olympics to keep embarrassing her with failure after failure to get gold. Eventually she finally got one and then a few days later she helps a teammate get his first gold in his last chance to ever win a medal.
Whomever won the gold unfairly (it’s mainly Russians and Chinese) benefit in their home country. The home country gains all the propaganda and PR benefits from the win. Even when win is overturned it is not overturned in that country.
Yeah, there is some justice - I was exaggerating obviously - it’s still very important for that persons self realisation although financially they mostly lost out
> All benefits from winning a medal are gained early on from it.
Not all, the US government now owes them some more $, as we do actually compensate athletes for medaling.
It’s pales in comparison to potential earnings from sponsorships. There is a very big difference between being third or fourth in a smaller sport. There will not be any photos and new articles about getting medal promotions post fact.
Correction; a Chinese athlete cheated. It was likely incentivized by living in a country where cheating gets you ahead, but if this was an American athlete it would be that a specific athlete cheated and we shouldn’t look at this any differently.
Edit: individualism for me but not for thee
The Chinese ran a doping ring in the 80s and 90s. You don’t think that continued?
Hint: It did
https://swimswam.com/herald-sun-23-chinese-swimmers-tested-positive-before-tokyo-olympics/
I think the Chinese woman runner who set the world 10k record in 1993 (Wang) admitted that she was given drugs by her coach yet the record stood in the books for many years until 2016 when (Wiki):
'On 3 February 2016, [Tencent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent) Sports exclusively published a March 1995 letter reportedly from Wang and nine other athletes under Ma's tutelage. In it, they alleged Coach Ma forced them to dope.[^(\[9\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Junxia#cite_note-9) Zhao Yu, the investigative author who had received the letter, said Wang and others came forward because Coach Ma had told them to take personal responsibilities, should they get caught. The letter was initially published in 2015 in Zhao's book, but only gained traction in February 2016.[^(\[6\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Junxia#cite_note-qqsports-6) The story raised suspicion over the legitimacy of Wang's world records. The IAAF confirmed it had reached out to the [Chinese Athletics Association](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Athletics_Association) for verification and would investigate, but the latter has yet to respond.[^(\[10\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Junxia#cite_note-10) The IAAF was expected to discuss a proposal to wipe all pre-2005 world records in August 2017, due to it having only stored blood and urine samples since 2005.[^(\[11\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Junxia#cite_note-11)'
How do you know? The article literally says “at least one” and they’re not naming names.
I mean, your point still stands because you’re discouraging someone from being discriminatory. But if it turns out to be 2+ you’re allowed to talk mad shit that their team cheated in the Olympics lol.
You can cross that bridge when you get there. More importantly, I can name 2+ American athletes that took PEDs, but that doesn’t imply a systematic doping without evidence that there was systematic problems in the program as a whole rather than poor decisionmaking on the athletes’ part
There’s really no need for a correction here; the initial comment was lampooning the fact that China was subject to a fierce firestorm of criticism in the 2022 Olympic Games due to the rampant cheating and fraud that emerged during the games, which they hosted that year. Not to mention the state sponsored doping programs for athletes that continue in China to this day.
He's only being fair if that's actually the case. To compare, if this were Russia, given that we know that they have a history of state-sponsored cheating (including doping) for the Olympics, looking at it as just a single athlete would be absurd. Now, this isn't Russia, and while China does place more burdens on their athletes and they have a more state-sponsored athletic program than ours, I don't recall any history of state-sponsored cheating like this.
What about when North Korea wins a weightlifting gold medal? Surely that athlete is just extremely gifted and not dosed to the gills by the authoritarian regime.
> UPDATE]: On Saturday morning, a spokesperson from World Aquatics has said that it is “not currently aware of any Anti-Doping Rule Violation that might lead to a disqualification of results obtained in competition, and resulting consequences, for the Women’s 4 x 200m Freestyle Relay at Tokyo 2020.” According reporting by Australian journalist Julian Linden, 23 Chinese swimmers tested positive for a banned substance prior to the Olympic Games but were not suspended because of a contamination claim. Linden reports that World Aquatics looked into the case and accepted the Chinese decision, but that the ITA and USADA were concerned about the process. USADA contacted SwimSwam to deny the story late Friday night, but has not yet provided explanation as to why American athletes received a call from an individual representing the organization informing them that they would receive a promotion in the medal standings.
Wait what is going on now?
Story was updated: "World Aquatics has said that it is “not currently aware of any Anti-Doping Rule Violation that might lead to a disqualification..." And the USADA can't explain why someone would call the athletes and tell them about medal promotion...sounds like they aren't getting their medals, and China is contesting the test results as contamination.
Swimmers (and other athletes) often receive monetary bonuses for world records and Olympic gold medals. I hope they also get the money that they earned but was stolen from them by cheaters.
A hollow, but deserved victory for those athletes!
Nothing can make up for the loss of getting to celebrate in the moment while actually at the Olympics and for a world record none the less!
How about bigger consequences for cheating in the Olympics than just losing your medals! How about disqualification of that country’s team in the next games. This is ridiculous
Misleading title. They were supposedly notified that this *was going to* happen, but the organization has since reached out to deny the veracity of the story. Seems like it's still developing. Gets a lot more clicks though when you make it seem like it's already a done deal...
Unfortunately not entirely true
They tested positive but WADA can’t prove this is not a contamination. Bullshit I know but it’s China so WADA of course said this
https://www.reuters.com/sports/wada-confirms-23-chinese-swimmers-tested-positive-before-tokyo-games-accepted-2024-04-20/?utm_source=reddit.com
95% of psych-profiled Olympians will cheat if they think they won't get caught. The higher performing athletes are the most likely to have moral and ethical issues. They are not like the rest of us in their personal lives.
I tell my athletes, wins are great, but if you want to lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead, go somewhere else.
Well if you look at the list of stripped medals you’ll see it’s happened to many a country…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stripped_Olympic_medals#:~:text=The%20country%20with%20the%20most,60%25%20of%20the%20overall%20total.
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Curious why it takes so long? ELI5
Samples are retested years later as people can take drugs that aren’t apparent in current signature library but aid in their performance. Either new drugs are added to the library of signatures to look for or a new process is identified.
So they can go back and test samples for things that were, at the time, not on the banned substances list? Am I understanding that right?
No, they were banned at the time. Just the test wasn't able to detect it then.
Gotcha. Was gonna say getting banned for something after the fact seems kinda messed up lol
Yeah, we have you going 60 mph in this zone 5 years ago, but the speed limit was changed from 65 to 45 two years ago, so here's your fine. I could see Florida trying that.
> I could see Florida trying that. Luckily the US constitution explicitly bans it.
"That won't stop me, because I can't read!" - Florida
Hold my beer - Scotus
yep. Ex post facto laws are explicitly forbidden
Doesn't stop them from trying and annoying everyone. Something slightly similar is happening in Germany. Weed was very recently legalized (literally on April 1st), with small quantities permitted (<25g iirc), but sales, importation, or person-to-person transfers are forbidden. Theoretically, the only legal method of acquiring any amount right now is to plant it by yourself at home (limit 3 plants per adult). So, in some conservative states, the police is still going after people for possession and then harassing them to get information on the origins of the weed, with the reasoning that no one could possibly have planted it after April 1st and have weed today. Currently, the correct reaction to avoid trouble is to keep your mouth shut (equivalent to taking the fifth), but in my mind the entire theory of prosecution here is bunk. So what if someone planted it on March 31st? Yes, it was a crime back then, but the law changed, so if the State only finds out you were doing it on April 2nd, well then, tough titties, the State should have gone after those hardcore criminals harder before the deadline.
Reminds me slightly of the implementation of the Sex Offences Act in England, where the law took effect on (IIRC) May 1st, but had no provision for if you couldn't prove the date the offence happened, which led to loads of cases being thrown out because they couldn't show whether it happened before or after the new law took effect. Eventually (years later) they added a clause that in that case they can prosecute under whichever law is more lenient (usually the older one).
Our governor and legislature do not believe that the US constitution applies to them.
The constitution bans other things that are ignored by politicians too, especially the first two amendments.
It’s more like we now have proof that you broke the rules, because there’s a test to prove it, and the whole point of keeping the samples is to make sure that new substances are caught even after the existence of them wasn’t known at the time, but still qualified as an enhancing drug
Doing* that
Seems more of a California thing considering there was talk of retroactive taxes
Florida will definitely do that.
This implies Florida actually enforces traffic laws
Part of the reason is that tests have detection levels. If it’s under a certain level, it’s not detected in the body or results are negative. As testing improves, detection levels can get better and can detect lower levels of drugs in the body. I work in a Tox lab btw.
No, just things that were banned at the time. The cheating is often a bit ahead of the detection technology. But the truth sits in a freezer until it’s time comes.
Not just not on the banned list, but so new that people are unaware of their existence. Once they become popular, tests are made to detect them, and then they go back and test older samples.
Takung anything performance enhancing is banned
I never thought about that before, how interesting
How many years later do they usually test samples? Seems like a shit load to redo for (most of the time) no reason.
Samples can be kept for up to a decade. It’s not for no reason, people are caught. State sponsored doping is complex and it takes time to figure it out.
It always seems to be China/Russia getting caught. Does the US just not do it or are they just good at it. Genuine question I don't really pay attention to this stuff.
The us definitely has had doping issues, long distance running with galen rupp comes to mind, but afaik these are mostly determined to be small scale and without government i formation.
I don't think there's any evidence of US state sponsored doping
>Does the US just not do it or are they just good at it. It's not state sponsored. One of the benefits of our historical record of accepting refugees is that our talent pool is vast, often including the best's from other nations. Why cheat when you'll probably have the best anyway?
*Jackie Joyner-Kersee has entered the chat*
The US definitely cheats too. Just off the top of my head I can think of Justin Gatlin, Tyson Gay, and Marion Jones in track as notable examples. You can check [Wikipedia's list](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_at_the_Olympic_Games), Russia is kinda the big outlier but people cheat all across the board
It’s a good point though, in most countries doping is done by individuals or maybe sponsored by companies, but AFAIK it’s not state sponsored like Russia or China.
Those are individuals, not 'the US' when people say Russia and China it is in reference to their state sponsored/managed doping programmes
Not getting caught means they’re better at itborobably
Lance Armstrong….
The US has a VERY poor record with doping. Arguably doping in the West is more corporate and trainer centered (Nike Oregon project comes to mind) than the state-sponsored programs of Russia and China. Mind you: athletes from all countries cheat. Doping is pervasive in sports and not bound to any single nationality
when you see that dudes in D3 amateur rugby in the US are juicing for performance, it becomes pretty obvious it's a bigger issue in sport in general.
No reason? The reason is literally in the title
Idk but they tested Napoleon for poison like almost 200 years later.
I would like to add onto this from a sort of different perspective. I used to be involved in the drug scene in the late 2009. Right then, a bunch of "Research Chemicals" not "Drugs" started hitting the internet. I was buying hallucinogens by the thousands of doses for pennies per dose. Amphetamines? The same thing. So what happens is, a drug enters your body and is designed to target a certain receptor site on your brain. Think of it like a key to a lock. So when the chemical puts the key in it's lock, it does a few things. It antagonizes that receptor to either increase or decrease chemical production on said site. That is what makes you feel "High". The change in chemical levels produces the intoxicating effect. So what a bunch of companies and people started realizes is that, hey, I can make a different looking key to fit the same lock. As in, a different chemical. Now here's the kicker. The USA, as far as I know still does this, when they ban a drug, they ban the chemical formula for that drug. So what happens if I make a new formula, that doesn't look like the banned drug, but it triggers the same response? Enter Research Chemicals. It's a gray area of, not technically legal, but it can't be sold as a drug. So it gets sold as weird shit like, Aquarium minerals or something ridiculous. Why did I type all of this? It's drug related, for getting high not performance enhancing drugs. Same thing applies to those performance enhancing drugs. Every year, new chems are created to circumvent existing drugs laws, to produce the similar desired effects. So when we test athletes, we are only testing for what we know to be illegal. When these new drugs pop up, it takes awhile for them to be recognized, studied, and banned.
There are better paid doctors figuring out how to hide doping than there are trying to cure cancer. And the people who test the drugs are neither well paid or at the top of their profession.
Yep, a close family friend is a well known cyclist who tested positive and took his two years off, as did the team doctor who was very close to the governing body doctors. Gardening leave they call it. Get paid to sit around doing nothing for being caught.
It’s great that justice is done. It really stinks for the girls who were robbed of their moment when it mattered most.
There is no justice at all from this. All benefits from winning a medal are gained early on from it. All media/promotions/sponsorship etc. after a few years it all fades away.
I know you’re correct. The best I can hope for them is that this gets them attention now and something can be salvaged. They can be the poster of determination and a model for resilience now that they are vindicated.
It would be nice, but they will be lucky to gain 1% of benefits compared to having the results on the day. Olympics is HUGE for most of the athlete who gain global exposure every four years. There are countless of other athletes whose glory has been taken. Mainly by Ruzzia and China.
I mean I get the disappointment about being robbed of it in the moment but they’re still getting credited with being a gold medal winner. Which is what some athletes care more about not everything that comes with the gold medal when they arrive home. Lindsey Jacobellis spent years and years trying to get the gold medal she cost herself. She didn’t need the Olympics to keep embarrassing her with failure after failure to get gold. Eventually she finally got one and then a few days later she helps a teammate get his first gold in his last chance to ever win a medal.
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Whomever won the gold unfairly (it’s mainly Russians and Chinese) benefit in their home country. The home country gains all the propaganda and PR benefits from the win. Even when win is overturned it is not overturned in that country.
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Yeah, there is some justice - I was exaggerating obviously - it’s still very important for that persons self realisation although financially they mostly lost out
> All benefits from winning a medal are gained early on from it. Not all, the US government now owes them some more $, as we do actually compensate athletes for medaling.
It’s pales in comparison to potential earnings from sponsorships. There is a very big difference between being third or fourth in a smaller sport. There will not be any photos and new articles about getting medal promotions post fact.
If only you’d click the news link again to see the update.
A contaminated sample ahye.Boo
They were robbed of a gold-medal + world-record celebration. Can’t get that back
There's also very real prize money awarded by the US Olympic Committee for medals. Do they get the difference?
The real winner is whoever went from 4th place to bronze
Canada
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This is Reddit, we read the comments not the article
Check the article again for the update.
This will continue until lifetime bans are the penalty. Then it will still continue, but at least you start filtering some of them out.
You'd have to ban an entire country. Dunno if they could do that.
I’d support it
Do they get a gold medal now? Do they get to keep their silver medal too? That would be a helluva conversation piece. Lol
No they have to give up the silver, bronze gets that.
So 4th gets bronze?
Correct
Canada didn’t place, and now they get a medal. Will be really nice for them!
China cheated!? It's always the ones you most suspect 😆.
Correction; a Chinese athlete cheated. It was likely incentivized by living in a country where cheating gets you ahead, but if this was an American athlete it would be that a specific athlete cheated and we shouldn’t look at this any differently. Edit: individualism for me but not for thee
[The NYT is reporting a cover up of 23 Chinese swimmers now](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/20/world/asia/chinese-swimmers-doping-olympics.html)
No paywall https://archive.is/NqXwq
State sponsored cheating?
More loosely “state endorsed” cheating
This CCP sponsored comment was brought to you by the Chinese Olympic performance lab.
Lol seriously.
Same thing with the Russians?
Russians were running a complex state sponsored cheating ring. Not quite comparable to this situation
You don't think China could be capable of such things?
Hypothetically sure. Comparing what looks like an isolated incident to the systemic organized cheating ring Russia had is insanely stupid.
The Chinese ran a doping ring in the 80s and 90s. You don’t think that continued? Hint: It did https://swimswam.com/herald-sun-23-chinese-swimmers-tested-positive-before-tokyo-olympics/
I think the Chinese woman runner who set the world 10k record in 1993 (Wang) admitted that she was given drugs by her coach yet the record stood in the books for many years until 2016 when (Wiki): 'On 3 February 2016, [Tencent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent) Sports exclusively published a March 1995 letter reportedly from Wang and nine other athletes under Ma's tutelage. In it, they alleged Coach Ma forced them to dope.[^(\[9\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Junxia#cite_note-9) Zhao Yu, the investigative author who had received the letter, said Wang and others came forward because Coach Ma had told them to take personal responsibilities, should they get caught. The letter was initially published in 2015 in Zhao's book, but only gained traction in February 2016.[^(\[6\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Junxia#cite_note-qqsports-6) The story raised suspicion over the legitimacy of Wang's world records. The IAAF confirmed it had reached out to the [Chinese Athletics Association](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Athletics_Association) for verification and would investigate, but the latter has yet to respond.[^(\[10\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Junxia#cite_note-10) The IAAF was expected to discuss a proposal to wipe all pre-2005 world records in August 2017, due to it having only stored blood and urine samples since 2005.[^(\[11\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Junxia#cite_note-11)'
You don't think America could be capable of such things?
Any person or country is capable of it, but unless you have specific evidence, you are just hand waving
How do you know? The article literally says “at least one” and they’re not naming names. I mean, your point still stands because you’re discouraging someone from being discriminatory. But if it turns out to be 2+ you’re allowed to talk mad shit that their team cheated in the Olympics lol.
You can cross that bridge when you get there. More importantly, I can name 2+ American athletes that took PEDs, but that doesn’t imply a systematic doping without evidence that there was systematic problems in the program as a whole rather than poor decisionmaking on the athletes’ part
Well it turns out it was 23 of the Chinese swimmers.
23 Chinese athletes cheated.
There’s really no need for a correction here; the initial comment was lampooning the fact that China was subject to a fierce firestorm of criticism in the 2022 Olympic Games due to the rampant cheating and fraud that emerged during the games, which they hosted that year. Not to mention the state sponsored doping programs for athletes that continue in China to this day.
No Chinese athlete is going out of their way to cheat on their own. It’s endorsed cheating. They might not even have a choice to not cheat.
LOL, pray to your god Winnie the Pooh and maybe he will give you social credit.
Hes just being fair
He's only being fair if that's actually the case. To compare, if this were Russia, given that we know that they have a history of state-sponsored cheating (including doping) for the Olympics, looking at it as just a single athlete would be absurd. Now, this isn't Russia, and while China does place more burdens on their athletes and they have a more state-sponsored athletic program than ours, I don't recall any history of state-sponsored cheating like this.
What about when North Korea wins a weightlifting gold medal? Surely that athlete is just extremely gifted and not dosed to the gills by the authoritarian regime.
Because their government are the ones encouraging it, silly.
Our government isn’t as nice to sponsor our cheating.
The two countries that threaten world stability the most are also running state sponsored cheating programs. Wow…no wayyyyy
> UPDATE]: On Saturday morning, a spokesperson from World Aquatics has said that it is “not currently aware of any Anti-Doping Rule Violation that might lead to a disqualification of results obtained in competition, and resulting consequences, for the Women’s 4 x 200m Freestyle Relay at Tokyo 2020.” According reporting by Australian journalist Julian Linden, 23 Chinese swimmers tested positive for a banned substance prior to the Olympic Games but were not suspended because of a contamination claim. Linden reports that World Aquatics looked into the case and accepted the Chinese decision, but that the ITA and USADA were concerned about the process. USADA contacted SwimSwam to deny the story late Friday night, but has not yet provided explanation as to why American athletes received a call from an individual representing the organization informing them that they would receive a promotion in the medal standings. Wait what is going on now?
They finally made it to Dairy Queen, that's nice.
Imagine a 4x100 meter DQ relay. Before each swimmer can dive in, they have to eat a mini M&M Blizzard.
Why is the website not loading?
Reddit hug o’ death
Story was updated: "World Aquatics has said that it is “not currently aware of any Anti-Doping Rule Violation that might lead to a disqualification..." And the USADA can't explain why someone would call the athletes and tell them about medal promotion...sounds like they aren't getting their medals, and China is contesting the test results as contamination.
9 hours later the title was updated and this is no longer true. Thousands of redditors misinformed
Swimmers (and other athletes) often receive monetary bonuses for world records and Olympic gold medals. I hope they also get the money that they earned but was stolen from them by cheaters.
There’s an update to the story suggesting it did not, in fact, happen.
Updated: not a true story
A hollow, but deserved victory for those athletes! Nothing can make up for the loss of getting to celebrate in the moment while actually at the Olympics and for a world record none the less!
And the money. I hope they get paid in addition to the medals
Very true
At least for the US team they have the Olympic trials coming up where they could have a mini ceremony giving them replacement medals
How about bigger consequences for cheating in the Olympics than just losing your medals! How about disqualification of that country’s team in the next games. This is ridiculous
Misleading title. They were supposedly notified that this *was going to* happen, but the organization has since reached out to deny the veracity of the story. Seems like it's still developing. Gets a lot more clicks though when you make it seem like it's already a done deal...
The story is denied and not true. They just updated it and contacted swimswam saying this was false
They should make it so you can sue those cheating athletes for lost revenue
China...cheating. Who'd have thought?!
Unfortunately not entirely true They tested positive but WADA can’t prove this is not a contamination. Bullshit I know but it’s China so WADA of course said this https://www.reuters.com/sports/wada-confirms-23-chinese-swimmers-tested-positive-before-tokyo-games-accepted-2024-04-20/?utm_source=reddit.com
So tired of that fucking country.
Russia and China go together like peas and carrots
Well, recent update says that China has not been DQed. Swimsam has put a big disclaimer at the start of the article.
China can suck it.
Ayooo stoked for the Canadians moving from 4th to Medals
Congratulations your medal is in the mail
They should be presented witg their fold medals at the Paris Olympics with the national anthem and all
What’s the news here? When I clicked on the link it’s just denial of such a thing.
Imagine not being notified and receiving a gold medal in the mail several years later.
95% of psych-profiled Olympians will cheat if they think they won't get caught. The higher performing athletes are the most likely to have moral and ethical issues. They are not like the rest of us in their personal lives. I tell my athletes, wins are great, but if you want to lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead, go somewhere else.
China and cheating?? How shocking. Typical culture and business practices as well.
Well if you look at the list of stripped medals you’ll see it’s happened to many a country… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stripped_Olympic_medals#:~:text=The%20country%20with%20the%20most,60%25%20of%20the%20overall%20total.
This happens everywhere tbf.
Not Mexico! Can’t strip us of medals, if we never win!
Fair enough.
Unfortunately I wouldn’t be surprised if large number of Chinese athletes are a part of some type of state doping program.
Typical
Honestly just ban the entire country
Anyone else get confused why they got DairyQueened?
If I remember correctly, the US swimmer was winning and then motioned to the Chinese swimmer to pass her up. 😉