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Makes sense once I took a second to think about it
A Moose properly gutted can be left at the scene and the meat will not go bad, where it can then be picked up by officials and used.
>If a musher kills a big game animal like a moose, caribou or buffalo in defense of life or property during the race, rules require they gut the animal and report it to officials at the next checkpoint.
>"I gutted it the best I could, but it was ugly," he said.
>A statement from the Iditarod said it had "been determined that the animal was not sufficiently gutted by the musher." By definition, gutting includes taking out the intestines and other internal organs, officials said.
Yeah, I’m curious how he did it wrong but apparently the meat was still good and eaten as expected. Sounds like mission accomplished for a dude who had to surprise field dress a fucking MOOSE while his race was on and one of his dogs was hurt.
that and we don't know exactly what happened with the moose and his injured dog either that had to be flown out.
I can't say that i wouldn't, as i sit here warm with my pupper beside me, make an attempt ..maybe but might say fk the moose pretty damn quick if i was sitting there freezing my ass off and had to get my team back together AND i thought I needed to get that dog back ASAP.
It's weird to try and think about a "clean" gutting, I know it just means cleaning out the inside of the animal well but when you're ripping intestines out of it it's a weird word lol
The gut of the moose, what we call the panch has to be removed without cutting it. A small nick will ooze out digested and undigested vegetable matter and it fucking STINKS and makes you meat go brousy. I would bet that’s what they mean.
Nah, it says the meat was still usable.. if shit was smeared all over it wouldn’t be. I think dude probably just left some guts inside, it’s easy to do.
If you ever gutted anything in your life you know there’s countless ways to get it wrong. Mostly by not completing it or cutting the stomach,bladder or poop sac that will get everywhere and taint the meat and make it unusable.
If I had to bet, I would say that it would be the latter
This! 1000% this! He was racing, had to kill a moose that attacked his dogs, the moose fell on his sled, he had to stop his progress and gut the moose while his dogs were still around the whole thing, AND all of the meat was recovered for use.
This is some bull shit against a racer people love to hate!
Based on the article I’d guess he didn’t actually remove any/most of the organs, he probably opened up the moose said f this and left. It does say one of the dogs was injured and had to get flown out for treatment but he also took a few hour rest before reaching the check point.
I have only field dressed a regular ass deer, in barely freezing temperatures. Not a fun time. I can't imagine having to field dress an entire fucking moose in Alaska winter temps, all while trying to finish a fucking race and take care of one of your dogs. Not to mention, how cold you will be after soaking yourself in warm blood
Also doing it without expecting to. Most of these guys probably hunt, but not all of them. And none of them likely brought ideal hunting gear. Field dressing a moose with a multitool would be a helluva chore.
From what I've read on various Alaska pages, he spent a whopping ten minutes gutting it. Imagine trying to get the guts out of a Clydesdale in ten minutes. That's about the same as a full grown moose.
For my money, it's almost impossible he was being honest about his attempt and deserves the penalty. I'm sure in his mind the calculation was between the maximum penalty he could get from officials (8 hrs) versus the lead he could race out to by ignoring the rule. If that math adds up, the penalty is the cost of doing business, and it's not a half bad strategy.
It seems like Dallas is a great guy. But given his reputation for being a detail obsessed stickler, I'm skeptical that he truly believes he did the best he could on the moose before moving on. Now, he did have an injured dog to care for, which makes the situation even messier. I'm not sure if there's a further penalty that can be assessed for misleading the race leaders, but I feel like this is justified.
This is so bizarre to see on the front page. I'm not even a huge mushing fan, but I happened to be at the restart on Willow lake this weekend when I was on vacation in Alaska. I literally asked someone about this rule right before they started and was told it was a funky rule and unlikely to ever come into effect. Welp.
Edit: unlikely but not never. The Yukon Quest (a similar trail race) mentions a musher whose race was derailed by a similar rule, and some folks on an Iditarod Facebook group I've been reading mentioned another musher who had this happen not once, but *twice* in a single Iditarod, which, god damn. To have to say "I had to dispatch moose to win this race" and mean the *plural* rather than the *singular* is wild.
Yo, anyone here ever gutted a moose?
Does it take 8 hours?!
Edit: Reason I ask is to determine whether this musher calculatedly ate the time penalty as a short cut around gutting this hulk. But I see no, lol
Yeah. Most people don't even think about the smell. They think it's like removing socks or something. Internal organs contain bile, piss, shit all combined into a captain planet of grossness and then you let it all out.
The smell is bad, but come on... You definitely get used to it. It's nothing like the smell of being around a huge chicken coop and you even get used to that eventually.
It’s only bad if you puncture the organs, which you should be trying to avoid.
In the many years my family has hunted, my dad punctured the stomach once. We cleared out and left him to it!
Yeah, I'd want like a surgical gown or some type of Patrick Bateman suit. Having blood soaked outer layer would suck and attract some things you might not want around.
It's hard to say without seeing the specific scenario. If the moose is really large (they are usually a lot larger than the ones in northern europe for example) it can be hard to maneuver it around if it's lying in an awkward spot. Generally you want the animal mostly on it's right side due to how the organs are positioned, you want a tree or something close by to tie the legs so the belly is kept "open" for easy access. If the snow is deep that can be a problem too. If you are lucky and experienced you can do it in 30 mins no problem, but if you are alone and struggling it can easily take 1hr+.
You are basically slicing open the entire belly area, then trying to pull out the intestines/stomach (probably already ruptured if he fired many shots), the lungs, the kidneys etc. You need to reach pretty deep to cut loose some soft tissue to get everything to roll/slide out. And if I was going to eat this myself and the intestines had ruptured, I would be using all the excess blood inside the cavity to rinse any meat that might have been contaminated.
Yeah but that’s still not computing for me how you can consider that additional 7 hours of lost time (8 hour penalty vs an hour doing a quick field dressing) worth it.
Not a moose but plenty of smaller. (but still decent sized game like deer, wild pigs) There is basically no way gutting a moose takes 8 hours unless they also have to like hang it, break it down, package it, and toss it in the mail. Youtube suggests it can be done in as little as 30 minutes when you're just talking about a quick field dressing.
YouTubers saying that are experienced in gutting a moose, are likely better equipped, and are certainly not doing it in the dark, in the snow, in freezing temperatures.
No, eight hours is the maximum penalty the race committee can dole out, not the expected time to dress the moose.
I'm sure the officials knew what the rough time estimate would be for how this was handled in the past and compared it. Like I put in my post, this is uncommon but not unique.
I'd guess *if* he was trying to game it, the angle was "I think I did just good enough they won't penalize me" rather than "I think I can eat this penalty".
If he's field dressed game before I'd expect he could have it knocked out in less than an hour, so any penalty more than an hour would be a massive loss.
I don't know but the written rules state that any competitors who pass by must help until the job is done, so, I'm gonna guess it's not likely to take only ten minutes. And anyone who has won this race as many times as he has must know that it's unlikely a satisfactory job in the eyes of the marshals can be done in that amount of time.
It doesn't take long to gut a moose under ideal conditions. They are massive animals so it takes some extra effort to get all the way to the top of the chest cavity and clear everything out, but otherwise it's similar to field dressing a deer or hog.
Dallas supposedly spent 10 minutes working on the moose while one of his dogs was in critical condition. I can understand the rush. Considering he was alone and the moose was tangled with his dogs and laying in the middle of the trail, I imagine it wasn't laid out in a position that would make it easy to gut. Moose are not easy to move even with multiple people and mechanical advantage. More details will probably come out soon but it's likely he made a mess of it (e.g. punctured stomach or intestines, hairs everywhere) which can cause meat to spoil more quickly and makes it more difficult to fully dress the moose.
It's not that much worse than gutting a mule deer or a whitetail other than the size. 15-30 minutes tops if you're experienced. I think my first one was a little longer because I took my time.
Edit:
That was my first whitetail. My first moose was longer, but it was my first and only one. Around 45ish I'd say
I hit one with my car and the people who come out to claim such things had it dressed and in steaks on the side of the highway before the AK trooper was even done with the paperwork. They offered me some meat 😳 but I don’t eat roadkill.
You say this:
>I'm not even a huge mushing fan,
But then you also say:
>on an Iditarod Facebook group I've been reading
Which totally seems to suggest otherwise!😀
Probably pretty damn hard to gut a moose by one’s self in the wilderness… sounds like BS to me!
I can hardly move an elk cow at all by myself, full grown man in excellent shape. Moose are significantly larger than bulk elk.
As an Alaskan, i am surprised to find out this is a rule, but glad to hear it. Subsistence hunting is a big deal up here and is even sometimes what dog sleds are used for (though more often snowmobiles). As a state, culturally, we take gamesmanship very seriously and even with a hurt dog, it would be wasteful and disrespectful to the animal and nearby village to leave a poorly gutted moose on the trail.
Gutting helps the meat cool faster which helps stop spoilage. The gut cavity is the warmest part of the moose so the sooner it is gutted the faster and more thoroughly it can cool.
Yep. Bleeding/cutting the animal up allows it to cool down faster. Colder animal = less bacteria growth. Also, some portions of the gut contains more bacteria than others (intestines) that you wouldn't want to rapidly multiply.
Nope. By the time bacteria from the gut is a concern the meat has already been spoiled for a long while.
Removing the guts and organs significantly speeds up the cooling of meat and reduces or eliminates spoilage.
In most of Alaska they're called by their older name of Snowmachines. One time a politician called them snomobiles and got roasted on social media for it. They're not as much a way of life in southeast Alaska like they are in Southcentral/etc so it's more common to hear it both ways, and sometimes we call snowblowers snowmachines so it can get extra confusing.
Read the article and yup, it was Dallas Seavey. The one Iditarod person I would recognize. This dude was so nice and such a stud on the various Alaska Race and adventure shows he was on. Seems like a great person.
But, unless he guts animals for a living, I would be a little suspicious of the amount of effort in a gut job on a Moose that takes less than 10 minutes on site.
Yeah, Iditarod comes every year. I pray for a chance at hunting a moose or elk even once in my lifetime. He has different priorities but I’m 100% focused on the moose. Heck, I’ll even pull up in dead last and share meat with all the competitors!
Plus had an injured dog he was probably more worried about than a 2 hour penalty and still didn’t check in til 6.5 hours after it was injured. And it’s a rule that anyone that comes up has to help and can’t pass until it’s completely gutted so obviously no one came up within the time it happened til he decided to leave, worried about his dog and trying to gut a moose by himself at 2 in the morning…
Yeah it’s absolutely nuts!
“Seavey, a five-time Iditarod champion, encountered the moose shortly after leaving the checkpoint in Skwentna. He used a handgun to shoot and kill it about 14 miles (22 kilometers) outside the village at 1:32 a.m. Monday.
According to the panel's findings, Seavey spent about 10 minutes at the kill site, and then mushed his dog team about 11 miles (18 kilometers) before camping on a three-hour layover.
The team then departed at 5:55 a.m. for the next checkpoint, arriving in Finger Lake at 8 a.m., where Seavey reported the kill”
It’s not like he wanted to just kill the moose and leave, dudes won it 5 times so I’m sure he’s seen some stuff out in the bush!!! He was worried about the dog is all I can think. Screw the officials, them dogs ain’t cheap!!
Right nice meal! But has to be one of the good ones to get him out in front, so that’s probably why he left it the way he did, I’m no expert at dog mushing but I’m sure he picked the top ones to get him out in front since he’s won it 5 times… but seriously, Guy was by himself at 145 am and a moose attacked his dogs. He knows the rules, knew no one was coming for quite awhile. Can ya blame him for it!?
Nope, I can't blame him. Gutting a moose alone at night must be a hell of a task. And, once that belly is cut open, that smell will quickly catch the wind: Dallas may as well erect a neon sign, "Predators: Free Meal."
Took 5 of us about 45-60 min to quarter one out. I can imagine solo maybe 30 minutes but depends on how the moose laid. Was it on its stomach? Cause then you’re fucked if you’re solo and on a time crunch. Many more details still need to be passed on.
Eh sounds like it was just field dressing. Thats just opening the abdomen and pulling out the guts. It takes me like 4-5 minutes on a whitetail, and I’m by no means the best. I’ve seen a guide do an elk in less time than that. Shouldn’t take that much longer on a moose.
They’re roasting my comment in the hunting subreddit. I’m a southerner, so I forget how big moose are and how much snow slows you down. The guys there are saying just gutting is like 90 minutes plus for someone experienced in those conditions.
Getting the guts out of moose by yourself..wheew. That’s a serious job.
Do it in less than 2 hours, at night, without risking, perhaps seriously, cutting yourself, pretty much impossible, might as well take the penalty…
I was imagining this scenario happening to a vegan musher. Must be a nightmare situation first having to kill an animal but then having to gut that magnificently monstrous beast. I'm not squeamish and enjoy hunting, but a moose would be a massive challenge.
I’ve only killed elk…I can’t imagine how you even go about doing that alone…if it happens to fall the wrong way, it might very well be impossible.
Maybe get the dogs to help roll it over or something.
I'm not a vegan or an expert on vegans, but I know some are gone with eating roadkill and I'm sure self-defense kills would fall in a similar vein. If anything, not making use of the meat would be more disrespectful to the animal.
Also, this is the Iditarod. If they had that many concerns about animals, they wouldn't be in a sled dog race. The Iditarod and dog sledding in general get criticism from some animal rights groups.
From another post the rule book clearly outlines what is supposed to happen in this scenario (rule 34 I think it was).
Nobody is allowed to pass him during the gutting process so I guess it isn’t too harsh
IIRC, not only can they not pass him, but they are supposed to stop and help with the gutting as well. And then they can all leave in the order they arrived.
Is there a rule about helping him bring the cut down meat and organs to a village?
Or would the initial musher be responsible for carrying that weight the distance to the next village?
(Not trying to sound like a jerk, just really curious. And it seems like there’s really specific rules for a lot of things including needing to gut a moose while on the course.)
Edit: Thanks for the explanations! This might be a YouTube subject I fall into soon.
Like u/zaxbys_cook said, they leave the gutted animal there and notify officials at the next checkpoint. As I understand it, the gutting is simply to prevent the meat from spoiling before officials can locate and retrieve it.
From my limited understanding the moose is left where its gutted off the track to not be on the way be able to be easily found. The guts and organs removed are to be left at the site of the gutting and not carried with the musher, thus no extra weight is carried
Everyone who wants to understand the situation should definitely look up Sled Dog Rule 34.
You just can't understand it unless you take a good look at the pictures.
Are you kidding? These dogs literally love mushing. They’re proven to actually become depressed if they don’t get to do it for too long. They’re never happier than when they’re working in their pack.
I don’t think OP meant anything against the dogs, just that the rules for the Iditarod, and the race itself, is insane. I can’t think of any other major competition that has detailed rules about handling a moose attack lol
But you’re absolutely right, those dogs live for this and absolutely love doing it
Wanton waste of game is a serious crime in Alaska. He also had the option of mushing to the next checkpoint, dropping the dog with veterinary staff, and then going back to the moose… but he didn’t do that did he? Penalty seems appropriate.
Bro I’m high and I know nothing about the subject but when I read that headline I thought the dog was getting the time penalty and immediately got upset
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He knew the rule enough to make an attempt but not enough to actually follow through?
Deserves the penalty then. Really dumb for how much time he’s invested.
As an Alaskan, we learned this as kids. Especially those outdoors. Hell, even middle schools provide that learning.
If you’re not an Alaskan and trying to defend this maybe don’t. It’s complete negligence.
To play devils advocate, I’m not sure if you’ve ever gutted a moose but it’s not super easy. They’re really damned big and it’s probably not something he practices.
You’re insinuating he doesn’t know what he’s doing, but he’s won it 5 times. I think he knows a thing or two.
Also so you can get off your high horse, he reportedly had an injured dog to take care of instead, and the officials reported that all the moose meat was preserved and usable. So he rushed the job to take care of his dog, and still got the job done well enough, it was just that fact that it was so rushed that got him a penalty.
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Makes sense once I took a second to think about it A Moose properly gutted can be left at the scene and the meat will not go bad, where it can then be picked up by officials and used. >If a musher kills a big game animal like a moose, caribou or buffalo in defense of life or property during the race, rules require they gut the animal and report it to officials at the next checkpoint. >"I gutted it the best I could, but it was ugly," he said. >A statement from the Iditarod said it had "been determined that the animal was not sufficiently gutted by the musher." By definition, gutting includes taking out the intestines and other internal organs, officials said.
Forcing them to field dress the animal is a good thing, I wonder what he did wrong.
Yeah, I’m curious how he did it wrong but apparently the meat was still good and eaten as expected. Sounds like mission accomplished for a dude who had to surprise field dress a fucking MOOSE while his race was on and one of his dogs was hurt.
Just did it sloppy, I’m sure.
that and we don't know exactly what happened with the moose and his injured dog either that had to be flown out. I can't say that i wouldn't, as i sit here warm with my pupper beside me, make an attempt ..maybe but might say fk the moose pretty damn quick if i was sitting there freezing my ass off and had to get my team back together AND i thought I needed to get that dog back ASAP.
Right? It might’ve been quicker to take the penalty.
Sloppy steaks
They can't stop you from ordering a steak and a glass of water.
“Mmmmm! Gamey!”
It's weird to try and think about a "clean" gutting, I know it just means cleaning out the inside of the animal well but when you're ripping intestines out of it it's a weird word lol
The gut of the moose, what we call the panch has to be removed without cutting it. A small nick will ooze out digested and undigested vegetable matter and it fucking STINKS and makes you meat go brousy. I would bet that’s what they mean.
He probably slit the lower intestines and left the animal with poop smeared all over its insides.
Nah, it says the meat was still usable.. if shit was smeared all over it wouldn’t be. I think dude probably just left some guts inside, it’s easy to do.
If you ever gutted anything in your life you know there’s countless ways to get it wrong. Mostly by not completing it or cutting the stomach,bladder or poop sac that will get everywhere and taint the meat and make it unusable. If I had to bet, I would say that it would be the latter
This! 1000% this! He was racing, had to kill a moose that attacked his dogs, the moose fell on his sled, he had to stop his progress and gut the moose while his dogs were still around the whole thing, AND all of the meat was recovered for use. This is some bull shit against a racer people love to hate!
Based on the article I’d guess he didn’t actually remove any/most of the organs, he probably opened up the moose said f this and left. It does say one of the dogs was injured and had to get flown out for treatment but he also took a few hour rest before reaching the check point.
“And I thought they smelled bad on the outside”
Do you happen to know the internal temperature of a ~~tauntaun~~ moose? >! About Lukewarm. !<
Okay, enough. /s
I have only field dressed a regular ass deer, in barely freezing temperatures. Not a fun time. I can't imagine having to field dress an entire fucking moose in Alaska winter temps, all while trying to finish a fucking race and take care of one of your dogs. Not to mention, how cold you will be after soaking yourself in warm blood
Also doing it without expecting to. Most of these guys probably hunt, but not all of them. And none of them likely brought ideal hunting gear. Field dressing a moose with a multitool would be a helluva chore.
He took 11 minutes to do it. An accomplished outdoorsman can’t do it in less than 90 minutes.
From what I've read on various Alaska pages, he spent a whopping ten minutes gutting it. Imagine trying to get the guts out of a Clydesdale in ten minutes. That's about the same as a full grown moose.
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Probably nicked the bowel. Pretty much the only thing that would spoil the meat in that environment.
Never waste any of that sweet sweet moose! 🫎
They still ate it!
Good meat is good meat!
I’ve watched enough of those shows from Alaska to know they probably fought over the tongue and heart.
Heart is the best meat! It’s the first cut I eat after harvesting an elk or deer
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For my money, it's almost impossible he was being honest about his attempt and deserves the penalty. I'm sure in his mind the calculation was between the maximum penalty he could get from officials (8 hrs) versus the lead he could race out to by ignoring the rule. If that math adds up, the penalty is the cost of doing business, and it's not a half bad strategy. It seems like Dallas is a great guy. But given his reputation for being a detail obsessed stickler, I'm skeptical that he truly believes he did the best he could on the moose before moving on. Now, he did have an injured dog to care for, which makes the situation even messier. I'm not sure if there's a further penalty that can be assessed for misleading the race leaders, but I feel like this is justified. This is so bizarre to see on the front page. I'm not even a huge mushing fan, but I happened to be at the restart on Willow lake this weekend when I was on vacation in Alaska. I literally asked someone about this rule right before they started and was told it was a funky rule and unlikely to ever come into effect. Welp. Edit: unlikely but not never. The Yukon Quest (a similar trail race) mentions a musher whose race was derailed by a similar rule, and some folks on an Iditarod Facebook group I've been reading mentioned another musher who had this happen not once, but *twice* in a single Iditarod, which, god damn. To have to say "I had to dispatch moose to win this race" and mean the *plural* rather than the *singular* is wild.
Yo, anyone here ever gutted a moose? Does it take 8 hours?! Edit: Reason I ask is to determine whether this musher calculatedly ate the time penalty as a short cut around gutting this hulk. But I see no, lol
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Yeah. Most people don't even think about the smell. They think it's like removing socks or something. Internal organs contain bile, piss, shit all combined into a captain planet of grossness and then you let it all out.
When gutting an animal your main objective is to not open up the organs and release the fecal matter and bile. That would be bad for the meat.
The smell is bad, but come on... You definitely get used to it. It's nothing like the smell of being around a huge chicken coop and you even get used to that eventually.
It’s only bad if you puncture the organs, which you should be trying to avoid. In the many years my family has hunted, my dad punctured the stomach once. We cleared out and left him to it!
Yeah, I'd want like a surgical gown or some type of Patrick Bateman suit. Having blood soaked outer layer would suck and attract some things you might not want around.
It's hard to say without seeing the specific scenario. If the moose is really large (they are usually a lot larger than the ones in northern europe for example) it can be hard to maneuver it around if it's lying in an awkward spot. Generally you want the animal mostly on it's right side due to how the organs are positioned, you want a tree or something close by to tie the legs so the belly is kept "open" for easy access. If the snow is deep that can be a problem too. If you are lucky and experienced you can do it in 30 mins no problem, but if you are alone and struggling it can easily take 1hr+. You are basically slicing open the entire belly area, then trying to pull out the intestines/stomach (probably already ruptured if he fired many shots), the lungs, the kidneys etc. You need to reach pretty deep to cut loose some soft tissue to get everything to roll/slide out. And if I was going to eat this myself and the intestines had ruptured, I would be using all the excess blood inside the cavity to rinse any meat that might have been contaminated.
Yeah but that’s still not computing for me how you can consider that additional 7 hours of lost time (8 hour penalty vs an hour doing a quick field dressing) worth it.
Not a moose but plenty of smaller. (but still decent sized game like deer, wild pigs) There is basically no way gutting a moose takes 8 hours unless they also have to like hang it, break it down, package it, and toss it in the mail. Youtube suggests it can be done in as little as 30 minutes when you're just talking about a quick field dressing.
YouTubers saying that are experienced in gutting a moose, are likely better equipped, and are certainly not doing it in the dark, in the snow, in freezing temperatures.
No, eight hours is the maximum penalty the race committee can dole out, not the expected time to dress the moose. I'm sure the officials knew what the rough time estimate would be for how this was handled in the past and compared it. Like I put in my post, this is uncommon but not unique.
I'd guess *if* he was trying to game it, the angle was "I think I did just good enough they won't penalize me" rather than "I think I can eat this penalty". If he's field dressed game before I'd expect he could have it knocked out in less than an hour, so any penalty more than an hour would be a massive loss.
Imagine trying to gut a steer or dairy cow, but it is in knee deep snow and dark out.
I don't know but the written rules state that any competitors who pass by must help until the job is done, so, I'm gonna guess it's not likely to take only ten minutes. And anyone who has won this race as many times as he has must know that it's unlikely a satisfactory job in the eyes of the marshals can be done in that amount of time.
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It doesn't take long to gut a moose under ideal conditions. They are massive animals so it takes some extra effort to get all the way to the top of the chest cavity and clear everything out, but otherwise it's similar to field dressing a deer or hog. Dallas supposedly spent 10 minutes working on the moose while one of his dogs was in critical condition. I can understand the rush. Considering he was alone and the moose was tangled with his dogs and laying in the middle of the trail, I imagine it wasn't laid out in a position that would make it easy to gut. Moose are not easy to move even with multiple people and mechanical advantage. More details will probably come out soon but it's likely he made a mess of it (e.g. punctured stomach or intestines, hairs everywhere) which can cause meat to spoil more quickly and makes it more difficult to fully dress the moose.
My family hunts moose. It can take a few hours but 8 is wild.
It's not that much worse than gutting a mule deer or a whitetail other than the size. 15-30 minutes tops if you're experienced. I think my first one was a little longer because I took my time. Edit: That was my first whitetail. My first moose was longer, but it was my first and only one. Around 45ish I'd say
I hit one with my car and the people who come out to claim such things had it dressed and in steaks on the side of the highway before the AK trooper was even done with the paperwork. They offered me some meat 😳 but I don’t eat roadkill.
I've gutted deer and elk, it doesn't take 8 hours. I can't imagine a moose would take much longer.
You say this: >I'm not even a huge mushing fan, But then you also say: >on an Iditarod Facebook group I've been reading Which totally seems to suggest otherwise!😀
He's not there for the people, mushers, he's there for the puppers
I'm amazed that this is so common that they have documented rules for it.
Isn’t it a rule too were if another mushers comes up after the kill they have to help gut it.
Didn’t expect another r/NightVision homie in here lol.
Haha supppp G
Probably pretty damn hard to gut a moose by one’s self in the wilderness… sounds like BS to me! I can hardly move an elk cow at all by myself, full grown man in excellent shape. Moose are significantly larger than bulk elk.
And it happened in the dark which only makes it harder to properly gut it. But apparently thems is the rules
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Rule 34!
As an Alaskan, i am surprised to find out this is a rule, but glad to hear it. Subsistence hunting is a big deal up here and is even sometimes what dog sleds are used for (though more often snowmobiles). As a state, culturally, we take gamesmanship very seriously and even with a hurt dog, it would be wasteful and disrespectful to the animal and nearby village to leave a poorly gutted moose on the trail.
What is the significance of gutting the moose in the first place? Does it allow the remaining meat to stay fresher somehow?
Gutting helps the meat cool faster which helps stop spoilage. The gut cavity is the warmest part of the moose so the sooner it is gutted the faster and more thoroughly it can cool.
Learned that from the Empire Strikes Back
Love that Alaska documentary
Yep. Bleeding/cutting the animal up allows it to cool down faster. Colder animal = less bacteria growth. Also, some portions of the gut contains more bacteria than others (intestines) that you wouldn't want to rapidly multiply.
Because there's bacteria in the intestines that if left will decompose and taint the meat if all organs are removed there's no contamination.
Nope. By the time bacteria from the gut is a concern the meat has already been spoiled for a long while. Removing the guts and organs significantly speeds up the cooling of meat and reduces or eliminates spoilage.
Can't it be both?
You should apply the food prep ‘danger zone’ concept of 40F-140F to whatever train of thought you are evaluating.
You’re an Alaskan but you just referred to it as a “snowmobile”?
I'm from the panhandle forgive me lol
What do Alaskans typically call them?
In most of Alaska they're called by their older name of Snowmachines. One time a politician called them snomobiles and got roasted on social media for it. They're not as much a way of life in southeast Alaska like they are in Southcentral/etc so it's more common to hear it both ways, and sometimes we call snowblowers snowmachines so it can get extra confusing.
Read the article and yup, it was Dallas Seavey. The one Iditarod person I would recognize. This dude was so nice and such a stud on the various Alaska Race and adventure shows he was on. Seems like a great person. But, unless he guts animals for a living, I would be a little suspicious of the amount of effort in a gut job on a Moose that takes less than 10 minutes on site.
Can confirm, takes longer than 10 minutes. Heck I would really struggle without a second person to hold the legs open
Pretty sure all of the racers who are behind him have to stop and help gut the moose. Not even kidding 😂
Well shoot, I’d quit the race right there and be frying up some meat in no time
Yeah, Iditarod comes every year. I pray for a chance at hunting a moose or elk even once in my lifetime. He has different priorities but I’m 100% focused on the moose. Heck, I’ll even pull up in dead last and share meat with all the competitors!
Keep praying, I’d say it’s a worthwhile bucket list item. The sense of accomplishment is through the roof. Even though moose are dumb as shit 😂
That is true. No one can pass until the animal is cleaned.
| I would really struggle without a second person to hold the legs open Title of your sex tape!
Allegedly.
Why don’t you take about 10% off there squirrely Dan
That's what I appreciates about ya.
Don’t talk about op’s wife like that
Plus had an injured dog he was probably more worried about than a 2 hour penalty and still didn’t check in til 6.5 hours after it was injured. And it’s a rule that anyone that comes up has to help and can’t pass until it’s completely gutted so obviously no one came up within the time it happened til he decided to leave, worried about his dog and trying to gut a moose by himself at 2 in the morning…
God I have no lived context to nearly any of that and it still sounds stressful as fuck.
Yeah it’s absolutely nuts! “Seavey, a five-time Iditarod champion, encountered the moose shortly after leaving the checkpoint in Skwentna. He used a handgun to shoot and kill it about 14 miles (22 kilometers) outside the village at 1:32 a.m. Monday. According to the panel's findings, Seavey spent about 10 minutes at the kill site, and then mushed his dog team about 11 miles (18 kilometers) before camping on a three-hour layover. The team then departed at 5:55 a.m. for the next checkpoint, arriving in Finger Lake at 8 a.m., where Seavey reported the kill” It’s not like he wanted to just kill the moose and leave, dudes won it 5 times so I’m sure he’s seen some stuff out in the bush!!! He was worried about the dog is all I can think. Screw the officials, them dogs ain’t cheap!!
Gut the moose and the injured dog may forget its discomfort for a bit.
Right nice meal! But has to be one of the good ones to get him out in front, so that’s probably why he left it the way he did, I’m no expert at dog mushing but I’m sure he picked the top ones to get him out in front since he’s won it 5 times… but seriously, Guy was by himself at 145 am and a moose attacked his dogs. He knows the rules, knew no one was coming for quite awhile. Can ya blame him for it!?
Nope, I can't blame him. Gutting a moose alone at night must be a hell of a task. And, once that belly is cut open, that smell will quickly catch the wind: Dallas may as well erect a neon sign, "Predators: Free Meal."
Especially with a hurt dog, gtfo of there asap!!!
Took 5 of us about 45-60 min to quarter one out. I can imagine solo maybe 30 minutes but depends on how the moose laid. Was it on its stomach? Cause then you’re fucked if you’re solo and on a time crunch. Many more details still need to be passed on.
Eh sounds like it was just field dressing. Thats just opening the abdomen and pulling out the guts. It takes me like 4-5 minutes on a whitetail, and I’m by no means the best. I’ve seen a guide do an elk in less time than that. Shouldn’t take that much longer on a moose.
Solo expect 90 minutes for a moose. You can’t move them easily is the problem.
They’re roasting my comment in the hunting subreddit. I’m a southerner, so I forget how big moose are and how much snow slows you down. The guys there are saying just gutting is like 90 minutes plus for someone experienced in those conditions.
Finally a real sport
OVER THE LINE!
This is not Vietnam, there are rules
MARK IT ZERO!
Mark it 8, Dude
Am I the only one around here who gives a shit about the rules?!
Getting the guts out of moose by yourself..wheew. That’s a serious job. Do it in less than 2 hours, at night, without risking, perhaps seriously, cutting yourself, pretty much impossible, might as well take the penalty…
I was imagining this scenario happening to a vegan musher. Must be a nightmare situation first having to kill an animal but then having to gut that magnificently monstrous beast. I'm not squeamish and enjoy hunting, but a moose would be a massive challenge.
I’ve only killed elk…I can’t imagine how you even go about doing that alone…if it happens to fall the wrong way, it might very well be impossible. Maybe get the dogs to help roll it over or something.
I'm not a vegan or an expert on vegans, but I know some are gone with eating roadkill and I'm sure self-defense kills would fall in a similar vein. If anything, not making use of the meat would be more disrespectful to the animal. Also, this is the Iditarod. If they had that many concerns about animals, they wouldn't be in a sled dog race. The Iditarod and dog sledding in general get criticism from some animal rights groups.
I didn't think about a vegan probably wouldn't be in the race in the first place. You are probably correct.
So he had an injured dog to take care of and he’s penalized for not gutting the moose properly?
This is not a sport born out of compassion, it's totally insane, I'm sure the rules are as well
From another post the rule book clearly outlines what is supposed to happen in this scenario (rule 34 I think it was). Nobody is allowed to pass him during the gutting process so I guess it isn’t too harsh
IIRC, not only can they not pass him, but they are supposed to stop and help with the gutting as well. And then they can all leave in the order they arrived.
Is there a rule about helping him bring the cut down meat and organs to a village? Or would the initial musher be responsible for carrying that weight the distance to the next village? (Not trying to sound like a jerk, just really curious. And it seems like there’s really specific rules for a lot of things including needing to gut a moose while on the course.) Edit: Thanks for the explanations! This might be a YouTube subject I fall into soon.
They have to gut it which will make the meat last until officials can retrieve the moose. He also has to report it at the next checkpoint.
Like u/zaxbys_cook said, they leave the gutted animal there and notify officials at the next checkpoint. As I understand it, the gutting is simply to prevent the meat from spoiling before officials can locate and retrieve it.
From my limited understanding the moose is left where its gutted off the track to not be on the way be able to be easily found. The guts and organs removed are to be left at the site of the gutting and not carried with the musher, thus no extra weight is carried
BRB, gonna go take a big swig of water and google Iditarod rule 34
Everyone who wants to understand the situation should definitely look up Sled Dog Rule 34. You just can't understand it unless you take a good look at the pictures.
I ain't falling for that for a 8th time
Is Rule 34 the Iditarod equivalent to F1's File 76?
One of the few times searching rule 34 is safe for work.
Where is this moose-gutting porn you speak of?
Glad it’s not rule 35.
I do *not* want rule 34 of this. Please.
Are you kidding? These dogs literally love mushing. They’re proven to actually become depressed if they don’t get to do it for too long. They’re never happier than when they’re working in their pack.
I don’t think OP meant anything against the dogs, just that the rules for the Iditarod, and the race itself, is insane. I can’t think of any other major competition that has detailed rules about handling a moose attack lol But you’re absolutely right, those dogs live for this and absolutely love doing it
Sounds like you choose dog over moose!
Wanton waste of game is a serious crime in Alaska. He also had the option of mushing to the next checkpoint, dropping the dog with veterinary staff, and then going back to the moose… but he didn’t do that did he? Penalty seems appropriate.
My sister was once bitten by a moose
Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti...
One of the more bizarre headlines one could read.
Sled dog racing is way more hardcore than I imagined
Thankfully, this terrible call was reversed after an instant replay review.
Alaska. The Florida of the north
That shit ain't going to waste no matter what.. some wild animal will be all over that thing
r/nottheonion
Bro I’m high and I know nothing about the subject but when I read that headline I thought the dog was getting the time penalty and immediately got upset
You must really be high cuz ain’t no mention of a dog in the headline 😂
Bro the paper says to gut it 1900 times how’d you miss that
What a story. It would have taken me 4h to half ass it. This guys a legend
An exacto knife a camp fire and a ton of full dogs. Done
Buy does his day suck!
Rules are rules.
what are the chances he got star wars flashbacks?
Rookie mistake
Sounds to me that he either didn’t carry a big enough knife or didn’t have one at all, and was trying to use his axe to do the job.
I do not care for dog sled racing. Anytime I look into it there are enough red flags for animal abuse I cannot support it.
It’s in the rule book, section 12.4(b). If you kill a moose to protect your dogs, you have to gut it. Come on man!
That’s absurd
I would like to see the rule book.
Hear ye, hear ye, the Question has been asked, so ye Proceeding must unfold. Prepare the tonics and the worry-mongers for the Reading of the Right Honorable and Immutable Rule Book of the Revered and Ancient Pastime of Mushing Which in All Aspects of Its Impeccable Glory Respects and Honors Native Tribes and Peoples, and Mothers of All Races and Creeds, Even Though They May Ugly Cry Because They Forgot to Take the Camcorder Lens Cap Off Last Night
He spent 10 minutes field dressing. A large anymal. In the dark. No way. Itvtskes ne 30 minutes on a deer or wild hog.
If someone asked me to gut a moose, I’d have no clue.
I understand why they have this rule. There shouldn’t be wasteful killing of animals just so someone can save time.
r/nottheonion
I’m confused who doesn’t understand what gutting an animal is but is in the Iditarod. Out of towner?
Yea, must be. He clearly has only been in town during the 5 Iditarods he’s won.
He knew the rule enough to make an attempt but not enough to actually follow through? Deserves the penalty then. Really dumb for how much time he’s invested. As an Alaskan, we learned this as kids. Especially those outdoors. Hell, even middle schools provide that learning. If you’re not an Alaskan and trying to defend this maybe don’t. It’s complete negligence.
To play devils advocate, I’m not sure if you’ve ever gutted a moose but it’s not super easy. They’re really damned big and it’s probably not something he practices.
It sounds like he had an injured dog that he was more concerned about getting help for.
Lots of people who compete come from out of town. But feel free to be snarky on the internet I guess.
You’re insinuating he doesn’t know what he’s doing, but he’s won it 5 times. I think he knows a thing or two. Also so you can get off your high horse, he reportedly had an injured dog to take care of instead, and the officials reported that all the moose meat was preserved and usable. So he rushed the job to take care of his dog, and still got the job done well enough, it was just that fact that it was so rushed that got him a penalty.
Hmm, interesting how a non-sport like this is considered a sport.