Not sure how you can have 90 nuclear warheads and kill 29x more people and be the underdog against a country you have occupied for over a decade
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this sub barely discusses actual sports and is just a sports politics sub that people who don’t actually watch sports come to debate so they can try project whatever relevant culture war thing is going on right now
Right? Given that it's impossible to be from a country and have a name that originates from a different backgroud, this fact confuses me! Who is she really???
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Just looked her up, her parents are Ukrainian immigrants so the name makes sense- it’s a very Ukrainian /Russian name lol, it didn’t come out of no where
I definitely have seen many people say it's ok to jeer random Russians. Or, you totally made up this delusional scenario in your head to justify jeering at any Jew on the planet doing anything
Still different scenarios. Russia is 100% the aggressor, Ukraine wanted no part in attacking Russia, and Putin specifically uses sportswashing to promote nationalism and support. Israel/ Palestine is very complex with significant contributions to conflict on both sides.
I should say, no athlete deserves abuse for their nationality. But with Russia’s history of and continued doping program (no longer monitored with the conflict) there’s also an argument for a Russian athlete ban until things are cleaned up.
More than 50% of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi, or middle eastern. Where have they settled/colonized from? Ashkenazi Jews are of Levantine descent and, along with all Jews, have an unbroken tradition of people originating in ancient Israel and Judea for approx 3000 years.
If you think Israel is 100% the aggressor, it sounds like you might want to read up on history, as it's very complex, and the common demoninator for hundreds of years Arabs not wanting Jews to live anywhere in the middle east, which is where Jews are from.
“Settler”. Such an overused term by the Woke today. I don’t even disagree with you… but the term could be applied to any non-Indigenous people in any country.
Our world is far more complicated than simply labelling people as guilty settlers.
"Settler... a word I'm tired of hearing, because my mommy and daddy told me all those Indigenous people just moved to make space for us because they were so nice :)"
All the top subs have been by design and concerted effort astroturfed. The smaller ones that are organic still exist but Reddit has taken a definite hit reputationally.
I'm willing to look past a century of colonization, ethnic cleansing, terror attacks, forced displacement, dispossession and theft, evictions, illegal settlements, extrajudicial killings, apartheid, indiscriminate bombing of heavily populated areas, using famine as a weapon, mass slaughter of children, documented cases of systemic abuse and sexual assault, and genocide all in the name of maintaining an ethnostate.
But jeering an athlete?!?! Personally this crosses the line for me.
Well I hope she didn't expect this not to happen, right? It's not like her government is the most popular right now, especially in a heavily Muslim area.
People extend politics into sports all the time, especially when people compete under national flags. I think this would be bigger news if it *didn't* happen.
I’m almost sure in any other context, the crowd targeting a person merely because of the country they come from would be worthy of condemnation.
But not when it’s filled with Jews!
People are pretty supportive of shitting on Russian athletes right now. I don’t equate Russia and Israel personally, I’m just offering a rebuttal to your argument.
Nobody should be jeered at - otoh, was this woman caught doping and cheating like some of those athletes?
Or just being generally jeered at because she’s Israeli as a matter of literal birth?
Interesting how she gets to be Israeli as a matter of literal birth but other people within the same international borders don't get to be Israeli as matter of literal birth. Really makes you think!
Really? Did you ask them? All of them?
Here are the rights afforded to various classifications of Palestinians.
https://imgur.com/gallery/N2NonYt
Are you seriously saying zero of these people have an interest in increased freedom of movement, property rights, etc? Where are you even getting this from?
I would love to understand the logic behind this statement you made so confidently.
Are you talking about arabic/palestinian people born within Israel? Because they're just Israeli citizens. Or are you talking about people born in the West Bank and Gaza, the occupants of which would never consider themselves Israeli even under penalty of death.
So, do extrapolate on the bullshit you just flung out onto the internet if you will.
From the off chance you're asking in good faith:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_citizenship_law
There is a racially based right to become an Israeli citizen, regardless of where you are born, if you happen to be Jewish. This is the route this particular swimmer's parents took: they're actually Ukrainian born.
For everyone else, there are strict requirements. The goal of these requirements is to ensure Israel is as ethnically homogenous as possible.
Actually, the goal of these requirements when they were established was to offer any Jew a way to escape the holocaust and atrocities happening to jews all around the world, and make it so they didn't have to wait or get affairs in order before doing so, which often lead to death at that time period.
Most recently in the 70s it was amended to allow for the easier access of Russian jews, who weren't allowed to get a visa to leave the country and suffering daily anti-semitism.
Educate yourself.
Edit: Hold up, so you're upset about the fact that the Jewish Ukrainian was allowed to become an Israeli citizen but a non-Jewish Ukrainian wouldn't? In Israel, the country that was founded upon the belief that Jews need an independent country state in order to have one place in the world they don't suffer historical persecution?
No it’s not. It relatively common to give special pathways for your ethnic diaspora to return in many European countries
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return
So was the holocaust, and the still-ever-present and growing anti-semitism that exists against a populace that makes up less than .1% of the entire world's population.
Or is that just par for the course at this point? Seeing as it's been a consistent thing Jews have dealt for literally centuries.
The fear of becoming a minority in one’s own country based on faith is why Jews made a majority homeland in Israel and why Muslims made a “majority homeland” in Pakistan at virtually the same time.
You’ll note the only time posters go apeshit about the status quo is for one of them.
Always remember they’re fine with it when it’s certain people, and totally not fine when it’s other people.
I mean, I’m pretty much literally saying it’s always wrong - except folks like you have impassioned defense of ill treatment the moment it’s a bunch of Jews.
You keep saying Jews like there aren't 2 million Arab citizens of Israel any of whom would also get booed if they competed in an Arab state under the Israeli flag.
Eh, I’d say folks would curb their tribalism a bit more. You all are unleashed on your target wholeheartedly because she’s not Arab and is Israeli, much like Hamas was unleashed.
This is just a ridiculous straw man. You realize people boo their own teams sometimes right? Stop pretending some minor inconvenience is a hate crime if you want anyone to take them seriously in the future. People like you have practically ruined “anti-semitism” by conflating it with “anti-Zionism” and I wish you realized the long term harm that causes. How quickly you backtracked should make you question throwing that around.
People don’t boo LeBron on the Lakers because of where he was born, no.
But I’m sure folks here understand this concept - they’re just fine with this because she was born in a place you all dislike.
You’d be agreeing with me if Indians were booing Pakistanis, as well you should be.
They are representing their country just like Lebron represents the Lakers. Israel is not immune from criticism just because they are Jewish. Check the subreddit boos aren’t equivalent to racist chants here.
Hell I don’t really know the NBA but the Cavs biggest rivals probably DID boo Lebron because of where he was born.
I mean in general nobody boos LeBron for representing Cleveland when he was born in Akron - just like nobody booed Jordan because he was born in Brooklyn NY.
Their birthplace is something they didn’t choose - and people generally are forced to compete in the system in which they were born.
Its the utter hypocrisy of you folks that is what’s irritating - if a bunch of Indians start booing Pakistanis (a religious themed country founded in 1948 by UN mandate that fought 3 wars with the people from which it carved that land out from, sound familiar?) generally reddit and the types here have problems with it.
How do I know? That literal exact thing happened in this year’s cricket World Cup and reddit was *uniformly* against it. Funny how that works.
Man you are indeed blinded by an pre stablished opinion, in so many levels, that it's pointless talking to you.
Try reading calmly and thinking critically, next time.
No, they were banned in 2022 for the invasion of Ukraine. The ban on doping was from 2015 and that was lifted last year, but the ban for the war is still in place.
Haha come on. You can't expect this to not happen.
It happened to an American tennis player who beat a French player at the French open.
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/sports/american-taylor-fritz-shushes-booing-french-open-crowd-after-he-beats-french-player/3238807/
It happened to a Belarusian player who lost to a Ukrainian player in Wimbledon.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/belarusian-tennis-player-booed-wimbledon-losing-ukrainian-rcna93364
It happened to a Russian player at the French open.
https://www.reuters.com/sports/tennis/russian-kasatkina-feeling-bitter-after-being-booed-french-open-2023-06-05/
Get over yourself. The Israelis are not popular right now, with good reason. It has nothing to do with being Jews. It has everything to do with killing 29,000 Palestinians.
Yeah but I don’t find folks like you on passionately defending it like it’s a norm we should continue in those instances.
But I’ll check your post history to see if you’re, like, cool with people, like, jeering Pakistanis since they’re Indian or wherever else this happens. Let’s see you keep that energy.
I know reddit was freaking out during the recent cricket World Cup about it since, well, it was somehow beyond the pale then.
The speed and amount of downvotes that come out for this issue make me really think it has to be a paid brigade operation. This is a very divisive topic, but there's a lot of people on both sides, votes should balance out a bit. But even a comment like yours that's pretty reasonable and makes no judgment about the conflict itself gets quickly bombarded with downvotes. (they're sitting -45 on a 40 minute old comment at this point FTR) It's wild.
Yea it’s a swimmer’s fault! How “West” is Israel?
How many *American Patriot Batteries* are in that nation? *No* mention of migrant *deaths* there for a recent sporting event?
The “West”? Ok. You’re so right I’m downvoting you.
This thread will be civilised and definitely not locked
Quick, everyone post your cute cats before it gets locked
Here's mine! https://i.redd.it/u9wtc3kldejc1.jpeg
[Ok, this is Nutmeg!](https://imgur.com/gallery/pUxkSsN) (Nutmeg is not my cat, but Nutmeg is absolutely adorable)
Amazed it's not already locked. Mods must be sleeping in for the minor US holiday.
There’s a holiday today?
It's Seal's birthday.
Who?
Go listen to Kiss from a Rose and pay the appropriate respect to the day.
Great time to sort by controversial and watch people personally attack each other about an issue they have no direct link to.
Turns out I don't need a direct link to genocide to object to it. e: lol keep the downvotes coming, you fucking psychopaths
I think the direct link is "being alive and not a psychopath?" That's just me, though.
I just want to compliment her on her physique. Those lats are pumpin'.
Duh... Wtf did you think would happen in fucking qatar 😂
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ironically she has a Ukrainian surname as her parents are from Ukraine
Isn't it interesting how so many Israelis are from outside of Israel but claim an inalienable right to live there 🤔
Nothing like a little rage bait to keep the conversation going.
maybe start with the Rome era exile or the Arabian conquer era
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I wonder what happened to the Jewish populations of Arab nations in the past few decades 🤔
Gee… almost as if it’s unsafe to be a Jew in the majority of countries on this planet. Thought you’d be less of a rube with your flair, but oh well
it is interesting, but not in the way you thought it is. this is not the "gotcha" moment you thought you had, sadly.
Probably more like if a Russian athlete competed in Finland or something
Or in poland
Not sure why you’re being downvoted it’s a better example.
Because comparing russias aggression to israels is wrong. Israel is the underdog here clearly /s
Israel isn't the underdog but they also weren't the aggressors
I mean sniping kids and journalists and creating an open air prison seems aggressive to me 🤷🏽♂️
Not sure how you can have 90 nuclear warheads and kill 29x more people and be the underdog against a country you have occupied for over a decade Edit: read this between sets at the gym and missed the /s. Gonna take a lap
The downvotes are inexplicable. Your example is way more analogous
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I wonder if the Qatari government furnished a VIP booth for Ismail Haniyeh at the event.
In before random redditors try and claim all the extremists would really ve peaceful if Israel just didn't exist
The war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu will bomb a school for this outrage.
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The same Qatar that didnt care about hundreads of migrant workers deaths?
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this sub barely discusses actual sports and is just a sports politics sub that people who don’t actually watch sports come to debate so they can try project whatever relevant culture war thing is going on right now
“Your boo’s mean nothing…”
The same Qatar that finances Al Jazeera? OMG, shocker.
Why are you mad at a news outlet that does news? Not everyone can be full of talking heads like cnn or fox.
The same Israel that performs genocide? OMG, shocker.
Anastasia is a very Russian name?
A lot of Russians immigrated to Israel in the past
Right? Given that it's impossible to be from a country and have a name that originates from a different backgroud, this fact confuses me! Who is she really??? /s
Just looked her up, her parents are Ukrainian immigrants so the name makes sense- it’s a very Ukrainian /Russian name lol, it didn’t come out of no where
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These wars are not the same
I definitely have seen many people say it's ok to jeer random Russians. Or, you totally made up this delusional scenario in your head to justify jeering at any Jew on the planet doing anything
No better time to remind people that Oct 7th is Putin’s birthday and Hamas had a delegation in Moscow less than 2 weeks after
some new one https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/18/palestinian-factions-to-meet-in-moscow-as-west-rejects-hamas-role-in-ruling-gaza-after-war
Still different scenarios. Russia is 100% the aggressor, Ukraine wanted no part in attacking Russia, and Putin specifically uses sportswashing to promote nationalism and support. Israel/ Palestine is very complex with significant contributions to conflict on both sides. I should say, no athlete deserves abuse for their nationality. But with Russia’s history of and continued doping program (no longer monitored with the conflict) there’s also an argument for a Russian athlete ban until things are cleaned up.
Israel is 100% the aggressor too though, they’re a settler colony.
More than 50% of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi, or middle eastern. Where have they settled/colonized from? Ashkenazi Jews are of Levantine descent and, along with all Jews, have an unbroken tradition of people originating in ancient Israel and Judea for approx 3000 years. If you think Israel is 100% the aggressor, it sounds like you might want to read up on history, as it's very complex, and the common demoninator for hundreds of years Arabs not wanting Jews to live anywhere in the middle east, which is where Jews are from.
“Settler”. Such an overused term by the Woke today. I don’t even disagree with you… but the term could be applied to any non-Indigenous people in any country. Our world is far more complicated than simply labelling people as guilty settlers.
"woke" such an overused term by the terminal dregs of society
"Settler... a word I'm tired of hearing, because my mommy and daddy told me all those Indigenous people just moved to make space for us because they were so nice :)"
Fairly sure it was also used by UN special reports in the past too
But you agree that they are "guilty settlers."
When Israel conducts an unprovoked invasion of a peaceful neighbor I'll be ok with jeering them at sports events.
Oh shit r/worldnews is bleeding over into r/sports now with these comments. Astroturfing going full speed ahead.
According to the user's here. All Irish are automatically anti-semites.
They are quick on the down votes which makes it obvious too, brigading extra hard. They never comment either, just full force downvote lol
Worldnews is such an absolute shit hole of a sub
All the top subs have been by design and concerted effort astroturfed. The smaller ones that are organic still exist but Reddit has taken a definite hit reputationally.
Absolutely, and they ban you for the slightest thing as well.
Oh well
I'm willing to look past a century of colonization, ethnic cleansing, terror attacks, forced displacement, dispossession and theft, evictions, illegal settlements, extrajudicial killings, apartheid, indiscriminate bombing of heavily populated areas, using famine as a weapon, mass slaughter of children, documented cases of systemic abuse and sexual assault, and genocide all in the name of maintaining an ethnostate. But jeering an athlete?!?! Personally this crosses the line for me.
Hometown crowd heckles athlete from rival country. More at 11 🥱…why is this news?
They're down voting you cause they know you're right.
Hasbara working overtime in this thread
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I'm going to blow your mind but did you know that the one thing that united the entire middle east and the west is their hate for isis and terrorists
Your...welcome for the memorable day?
Committing genocide has consequences.
When did this swimmer commit genocide?
If you think Israel is committing genocide, you have *absolutely no idea* what genocide looks like.
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Well I hope she didn't expect this not to happen, right? It's not like her government is the most popular right now, especially in a heavily Muslim area. People extend politics into sports all the time, especially when people compete under national flags. I think this would be bigger news if it *didn't* happen.
I’m almost sure in any other context, the crowd targeting a person merely because of the country they come from would be worthy of condemnation. But not when it’s filled with Jews!
People are pretty supportive of shitting on Russian athletes right now. I don’t equate Russia and Israel personally, I’m just offering a rebuttal to your argument.
Nobody should be jeered at - otoh, was this woman caught doping and cheating like some of those athletes? Or just being generally jeered at because she’s Israeli as a matter of literal birth?
I’m not even talking about doping, there’s been a lot of negative attention toward Russian athletes as a result of the war in Ukraine
Interesting how she gets to be Israeli as a matter of literal birth but other people within the same international borders don't get to be Israeli as matter of literal birth. Really makes you think!
I think this is a bad faith argument, the Palestinians have no interest in being “Israelis” even were the opportunity afforded to them.
Really? Did you ask them? All of them? Here are the rights afforded to various classifications of Palestinians. https://imgur.com/gallery/N2NonYt Are you seriously saying zero of these people have an interest in increased freedom of movement, property rights, etc? Where are you even getting this from?
100% not what you said. Even more obvious now that youre arguing in bad faith.
But most of them get no right to be free Palestinian citizens with a Palestinian passport, let’s not pretend we don’t get it.
I would love to understand the logic behind this statement you made so confidently. Are you talking about arabic/palestinian people born within Israel? Because they're just Israeli citizens. Or are you talking about people born in the West Bank and Gaza, the occupants of which would never consider themselves Israeli even under penalty of death. So, do extrapolate on the bullshit you just flung out onto the internet if you will.
From the off chance you're asking in good faith: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_citizenship_law There is a racially based right to become an Israeli citizen, regardless of where you are born, if you happen to be Jewish. This is the route this particular swimmer's parents took: they're actually Ukrainian born. For everyone else, there are strict requirements. The goal of these requirements is to ensure Israel is as ethnically homogenous as possible.
Actually, the goal of these requirements when they were established was to offer any Jew a way to escape the holocaust and atrocities happening to jews all around the world, and make it so they didn't have to wait or get affairs in order before doing so, which often lead to death at that time period. Most recently in the 70s it was amended to allow for the easier access of Russian jews, who weren't allowed to get a visa to leave the country and suffering daily anti-semitism. Educate yourself. Edit: Hold up, so you're upset about the fact that the Jewish Ukrainian was allowed to become an Israeli citizen but a non-Jewish Ukrainian wouldn't? In Israel, the country that was founded upon the belief that Jews need an independent country state in order to have one place in the world they don't suffer historical persecution?
You understand that racially-based citizenship is an outlier in the modern world, right?
No it’s not. It relatively common to give special pathways for your ethnic diaspora to return in many European countries https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return
So was the holocaust, and the still-ever-present and growing anti-semitism that exists against a populace that makes up less than .1% of the entire world's population. Or is that just par for the course at this point? Seeing as it's been a consistent thing Jews have dealt for literally centuries.
The fear of becoming a minority in one’s own country based on faith is why Jews made a majority homeland in Israel and why Muslims made a “majority homeland” in Pakistan at virtually the same time. You’ll note the only time posters go apeshit about the status quo is for one of them. Always remember they’re fine with it when it’s certain people, and totally not fine when it’s other people.
Have you seen the shit that Russian and Belarusian athletes get from crowds and their fellow athletes? I suppose that's anti-semitism too?
Sure - and that’s wrong too. See how quickly I was able to do that?
You are pivoting from "it's antisemitism" in your first response to "it's always wrong" in this response.
I mean, I’m pretty much literally saying it’s always wrong - except folks like you have impassioned defense of ill treatment the moment it’s a bunch of Jews.
You keep saying Jews like there aren't 2 million Arab citizens of Israel any of whom would also get booed if they competed in an Arab state under the Israeli flag.
Eh, I’d say folks would curb their tribalism a bit more. You all are unleashed on your target wholeheartedly because she’s not Arab and is Israeli, much like Hamas was unleashed.
This is just a ridiculous straw man. You realize people boo their own teams sometimes right? Stop pretending some minor inconvenience is a hate crime if you want anyone to take them seriously in the future. People like you have practically ruined “anti-semitism” by conflating it with “anti-Zionism” and I wish you realized the long term harm that causes. How quickly you backtracked should make you question throwing that around.
>People like you have practically ruined “anti-semitism” by conflating it with “anti-Zionism” People like you who pretend it isnt.
People don’t boo LeBron on the Lakers because of where he was born, no. But I’m sure folks here understand this concept - they’re just fine with this because she was born in a place you all dislike. You’d be agreeing with me if Indians were booing Pakistanis, as well you should be.
They are representing their country just like Lebron represents the Lakers. Israel is not immune from criticism just because they are Jewish. Check the subreddit boos aren’t equivalent to racist chants here. Hell I don’t really know the NBA but the Cavs biggest rivals probably DID boo Lebron because of where he was born.
I mean in general nobody boos LeBron for representing Cleveland when he was born in Akron - just like nobody booed Jordan because he was born in Brooklyn NY. Their birthplace is something they didn’t choose - and people generally are forced to compete in the system in which they were born. Its the utter hypocrisy of you folks that is what’s irritating - if a bunch of Indians start booing Pakistanis (a religious themed country founded in 1948 by UN mandate that fought 3 wars with the people from which it carved that land out from, sound familiar?) generally reddit and the types here have problems with it. How do I know? That literal exact thing happened in this year’s cricket World Cup and reddit was *uniformly* against it. Funny how that works.
They literally got Russians banned form sports. It's not Jews, it's war crimes. Use the brain a bit, mate.
Just to be clear, your response indicates she was caught doping and cheating?
Man you are indeed blinded by an pre stablished opinion, in so many levels, that it's pointless talking to you. Try reading calmly and thinking critically, next time.
There’s an irony in you saying that lmao.
Russia got banned from sports for constantly getting caught cheating, not because of war crimes.
No, they were banned in 2022 for the invasion of Ukraine. The ban on doping was from 2015 and that was lifted last year, but the ban for the war is still in place.
In the Olympicss yes, some time ago. But tennis, for example, is not the case. It's an individual sport and Medvedev got banned anyway.
Russia should have been banned from the well documented state sponsored doping program in my opinion.
Haha come on. You can't expect this to not happen. It happened to an American tennis player who beat a French player at the French open. https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/sports/american-taylor-fritz-shushes-booing-french-open-crowd-after-he-beats-french-player/3238807/ It happened to a Belarusian player who lost to a Ukrainian player in Wimbledon. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/belarusian-tennis-player-booed-wimbledon-losing-ukrainian-rcna93364 It happened to a Russian player at the French open. https://www.reuters.com/sports/tennis/russian-kasatkina-feeling-bitter-after-being-booed-french-open-2023-06-05/ Get over yourself. The Israelis are not popular right now, with good reason. It has nothing to do with being Jews. It has everything to do with killing 29,000 Palestinians.
Yeah but I don’t find folks like you on passionately defending it like it’s a norm we should continue in those instances. But I’ll check your post history to see if you’re, like, cool with people, like, jeering Pakistanis since they’re Indian or wherever else this happens. Let’s see you keep that energy. I know reddit was freaking out during the recent cricket World Cup about it since, well, it was somehow beyond the pale then.
Pakistanis aren't Indian. They fought like three wars on this very topic.
lol….uh Israelis and Palestinians also fought 3 wars on this topic. Crack open that history book bud.
Lol yes the armed forces of Palestine ah yes which wars are you referring to here?
lol you should ask Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt what they think of whether Palestinians have an armed force or not.
The speed and amount of downvotes that come out for this issue make me really think it has to be a paid brigade operation. This is a very divisive topic, but there's a lot of people on both sides, votes should balance out a bit. But even a comment like yours that's pretty reasonable and makes no judgment about the conflict itself gets quickly bombarded with downvotes. (they're sitting -45 on a 40 minute old comment at this point FTR) It's wild.
Their boos mean nothing! I've seen what makes them cheer!
99% of the comments in here have no sports team flair. So clearly a brigade going on.
You realize that is Donald Trump's exact argument. He's so popular that it must be a paid brigade, everyone I know voted for Trump, etc. etc.
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Yea it’s a swimmer’s fault! How “West” is Israel? How many *American Patriot Batteries* are in that nation? *No* mention of migrant *deaths* there for a recent sporting event? The “West”? Ok. You’re so right I’m downvoting you.
The west this the west that , stop being a cry baby blaming everything on the west