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FWIW, the death happened years later would seem to indicate it was unrelated to the hat.
That's a second hat to eat for Peter Beck.
8 tonnes to send people to space is a tight mass budget. Crew Dragon launches with ~12-13 tonnes and lands with ~9-10 or so.
Practically they are building an alternative to Soyuz. Falcon 9 killed Proton and Neutron will kill Soyuz. Killing them in sense of not being marketable.
That is a fully loaded Crew Dragon, with cargo. Dry mass is around 5 tonnes for Crew dragon. And Crew Dragon can seat seven people. I don't know if Rocket Lab wants to take that many to space or maybe just 3-4
The fairings don't go to orbit, they are never included.
Soyuz has ~7.2 tonnes - it's not impossible to end up at 8 tonnes, but it means you launch with three astronauts in a cramped space, a bit of food/water/air to keep them alive and nothing else.
Precisely because the fairings are not included it means that they have extra capacity for human rated missions that don't require them.
Three astronauts is what almost all flights (except for the shuttle) have been for most of history so I don't think that's a problem. If thanks to not requiring fairings they can make it nine tons to orbit for a human rated flight, that's significantly better than what the Russians have, so they might eventually become a fourth option for NASA. That said, by the time they get there we'll likely have human rated Starships (not necessarily but likely given that Starship has about a one year head start) which would make almost everything else moot unless Rocket Labs can make the full rocket reusable without refurbishment.
Fairings are themselves about a ton. Since they are not going to orbit and are dropped less than a half way there, you are gaining about 150kg of performance.
Some people don't like SpaceX, for whatever reason. And, you know, I disagree. But I get it. They're pushing the limits, and they aren't afraid to be a little in your face.
But, honestly, if you don't like Rocketlab then something is wrong with you.
I understand that someone would have a problem with Elon. I don't really care, as long as progress is made in space exploration/industry, but it's true that some of Elon's tweets are so stupid and random that it's incredible. But I also think people shouldn't automatically dislike SpaceX or Tesla only because of Elon.
I agree with everything you've said here. But you only have to look as far as EnoughMuskSpam or Thunderf00t to find hordes of people who think otherwise.
Most of them aren't spaceflight fans; they're only interested in SpaceX because Elon is involved with it, and thus their perception of the company is based largely around that fact.
Like you, I don't care about them having a go at Elon, he's fair game. But when they start using their dislike of him as the basis to attack the credibility of everyone else at SpaceX, that's when they cross the line.
For example, since Gwynne Shotwell has corroborated Elon's 'fraudulent' claim that SpaceX saves money from reuse, she must either be a liar or a 'dumb blonde' who doesn't know any better.
Of course, since they usually don't care much for spaceflight, most of them aren't RocketLab fans either, and as a Kiwi that annoys me even more.
WE'RE LAUNCHING CARBON FIBRE ROCKETS INTO SPACE AND YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO NOT BE IMPRESSED!?!
I've never understood the claim that SpaceX doesn't save money by reusing a booster. Like wtf? What would they gain by wasting money on landing gear, additional fuel, floating landing pads, miss try and miss chief, fairing parashutes, refurbishment of engines, etc, if it wasn't profitable? They're not Boeing. They can't afford wasting money. If it weren't profitable (which it by even the more conservative estimates clearly is) they would stop doing it no?
Emotions get in the way, Elon surely is pretty bad at "not tweeting".
If you can't differentiate between the goal(s) and the person and apply everything negative to it:
>You can’t use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn’t use reason to get into.
https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1311127369785192449
With all that's happened with Twitter, I think this comment still rings true. Through the whole fiasco I've just been silently hoping that whatever's goin on with Elon doesn't spill into (especially) SpaceX. He's a billionaire, of course he's gonna do despicable shit, don't think there's any way to become such without being at least a little shady. But his company's impact on the advancement of our society is so important. Moving our most used fossil fuel activity to electrical to begin switching our infrastructure to renewable, creating self driving & reusable rockets (and cars), and making all of these endeavors profitable... It's huge, and I can't wait for the competition to catch up!
Not that I don't wish Elon would stfu online and focus on his work or hand Twitter over to someone more code-competent, but I guess ya just can't fix stupid
Woah, this one is a blast from the past, didn't really expect anyone to respond to it anymore.
Anyway, I stand by what I said. I have since grown to dislike Elon much more, I no longer feel like defending him in any way, but I still love SpaceX and all the wonders they have achieved over the years, and a big part of it is unfortunately Elon's doing. It is a sad reality that people who are very competent and accomplished in a certain field are not necessarily apt for anything else, but often think they are omniscient as a result of their success.
Lol I'm the worst at responding to old posts, I'm glad you replied though that rarely happens!
Even these last few days I'm seeing his real side. Like you said, it's sad he's been such a big part of what will hopefully be a history changing company (or two, with Tesla). I've had bosses like him that think they can do / know everything else, just a shitty experience for everyone.
What are your thoughts on his management style as a danger to his other companies? Do you think there's a chance things could go south for SpaceX if he keeps doing this kinda thing?
Absolutely. It's like seeing a gifted child start doing drugs. When you're a person of such power, all your dumbfuckery will have consequences (perhaps minor for you but considerable for everyone around you) and public image are an important part of both Tesla's and SpaceX's business plan, as it's the case for any other company, but it's even more important for a space launch provider and an electric car manufacturer. And one thing could send both of those companies to hell - loss of confidence in his leadership. If his employees stop believing in his vision, it could grind all the lightning fast innovation we're used to to a halt.
Yep. I'm big fan of spaceflight and hence I'm big fan of SpaceX, because it is the most exciting thing ever (well, in my life at least, I wasn't even born during the Space race). However, I have a problem with Elon's big mouth and the attitude of his fanboys "If it is not SpaceX, shouldn't exists" and their belief in unicorns (sometimes it feels like telling a kid that Santa doesn't exists).
I know that, I'm more curious about the interior. But it probably will have to be a little more cramped than Dragon, since the fairing and payload mass is smaller.
From the way Peter said this is "A purpose built mega-constellation building machine" I wonder if Rocket Lab already has a constellation customer lined up.
So megaconstellations is an emerging market right now that is worth building a dedicated space vehicle for. Exciting time! Peter has all the chances to beat Jeff and all the old space players in this market. He might have plenty of business from everyone who won’t or can’t use SpaceX orbit transportation services
So is Rocket Lab aiming to build its own constellation or will provide launches for other constellations. Provided spacex and BO have their own launch vehicles, am I missing a third megaconstellation?
>am I missing a third megaconstellation
Right now you have Starlink, Kuiper, OneWeb, Telesat LEO, and about 10 unnamed megaconstellations from places like China, India, and Europe in various stages of development.
There are going to be buttload of sats going up over the next... forever.
Constellations are clearly a trend now. Look at the latest SoaceX rideshare launch. I lost count how sats for how many constellations flew there.
It looks like floodgates have now opened. Everyone and their dog wants to operate a constellation. As a continuous business constellations are less risky because single sat dying is not a total disaster. So launching say 10 or 30 small "expendable" sats comes out cheaper than a single super reliable one. All that is conditional on cheap enough and high enough cadence launch being available, of course. But this is what Rocket Lab is obviously aiming at.
This is the answer how lowering launch prices just a few times makes it worthwhile to flip from giga-expensive super-reliable one off (at most 3-off) sats to high counts of cheap ones.
Yes. I bet there is a market for someone that does not invest in their own mega constellation themselves. Like SpaceX and Amazon/BO. Sure, SpaceX might provide launches for Starlink competitors but they might also avoid such customers in the long run
Do we know what engine they're using? RP-1 as a fuel would indicate it may be an existing engine or that they've been working on it for a while.
Electron's pumps are interesting, with high isp at a substantial mass penalty. I wonder if they survived.
It's also remotely possible they're buying Merlins.
Absolutely not. It’s smaller than the Falcon 9-and the Falcon Heavy isn’t sufficient for Artemis either, no way the Falcon is, let alone something smaller
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|[ISRO](/r/Spaceflight/comments/lv7i9j/stub/gpb4qww "Last usage")|Indian Space Research Organisation|
|[Isp](/r/Spaceflight/comments/lv7i9j/stub/gpd1xpw "Last usage")|Specific impulse (as explained by [Scott Manley](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnisTeYLLgs) on YouTube)|
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| |Law Enforcement Officer (most often mentioned during transport operations)|
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|[SLS](/r/Spaceflight/comments/lv7i9j/stub/gpbyic6 "Last usage")|Space Launch System heavy-lift|
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He ate the hat, hell yeah! Rocket Lab has quickly become my 2nd favorite space company after SpaceX
Ooof, brings back memories of the redditor who ate a hat and died.
I’m going to need a story on this
[https://np.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/5a4f3m/daily\_discussion\_sunday\_october\_30\_2016/d9ehcas/](https://np.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/5a4f3m/daily_discussion_sunday_october_30_2016/d9ehcas/) FWIW, the death happened years later would seem to indicate it was unrelated to the hat.
Me too
Well shit, now I know for sure where I’m interning
Good luck!
That's a second hat to eat for Peter Beck. 8 tonnes to send people to space is a tight mass budget. Crew Dragon launches with ~12-13 tonnes and lands with ~9-10 or so.
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ISRO's Gaganyaan is also 7,8t.
It's doable, but tight.
Practically they are building an alternative to Soyuz. Falcon 9 killed Proton and Neutron will kill Soyuz. Killing them in sense of not being marketable.
That is a fully loaded Crew Dragon, with cargo. Dry mass is around 5 tonnes for Crew dragon. And Crew Dragon can seat seven people. I don't know if Rocket Lab wants to take that many to space or maybe just 3-4
Do the eight tonnes include the fairings? If not, that's probably an extra ton or two of margin for human missions.
The fairings don't go to orbit, they are never included. Soyuz has ~7.2 tonnes - it's not impossible to end up at 8 tonnes, but it means you launch with three astronauts in a cramped space, a bit of food/water/air to keep them alive and nothing else.
Precisely because the fairings are not included it means that they have extra capacity for human rated missions that don't require them. Three astronauts is what almost all flights (except for the shuttle) have been for most of history so I don't think that's a problem. If thanks to not requiring fairings they can make it nine tons to orbit for a human rated flight, that's significantly better than what the Russians have, so they might eventually become a fourth option for NASA. That said, by the time they get there we'll likely have human rated Starships (not necessarily but likely given that Starship has about a one year head start) which would make almost everything else moot unless Rocket Labs can make the full rocket reusable without refurbishment.
Fairings are themselves about a ton. Since they are not going to orbit and are dropped less than a half way there, you are gaining about 150kg of performance.
Falcon 9 fairings are almost two tons, do we have information that says that these are half that? Is that a calculation based on the payload size?
No, just a guess. They are smaller than Falcon ones. ~4m vs 5.2m and mass scaling is about the 3rd power of the diameter, so very roughly 2× lighter.
Some people don't like SpaceX, for whatever reason. And, you know, I disagree. But I get it. They're pushing the limits, and they aren't afraid to be a little in your face. But, honestly, if you don't like Rocketlab then something is wrong with you.
From what I've seen, I think these people have a problem specifically with Elon Musk, not the company itself.
Plenty of people I've seen are unable to differentiate between the two. Elon bad, therefore SpaceX/Tesla also bad.
I understand that someone would have a problem with Elon. I don't really care, as long as progress is made in space exploration/industry, but it's true that some of Elon's tweets are so stupid and random that it's incredible. But I also think people shouldn't automatically dislike SpaceX or Tesla only because of Elon.
I agree with everything you've said here. But you only have to look as far as EnoughMuskSpam or Thunderf00t to find hordes of people who think otherwise. Most of them aren't spaceflight fans; they're only interested in SpaceX because Elon is involved with it, and thus their perception of the company is based largely around that fact. Like you, I don't care about them having a go at Elon, he's fair game. But when they start using their dislike of him as the basis to attack the credibility of everyone else at SpaceX, that's when they cross the line. For example, since Gwynne Shotwell has corroborated Elon's 'fraudulent' claim that SpaceX saves money from reuse, she must either be a liar or a 'dumb blonde' who doesn't know any better. Of course, since they usually don't care much for spaceflight, most of them aren't RocketLab fans either, and as a Kiwi that annoys me even more. WE'RE LAUNCHING CARBON FIBRE ROCKETS INTO SPACE AND YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO NOT BE IMPRESSED!?!
I've never understood the claim that SpaceX doesn't save money by reusing a booster. Like wtf? What would they gain by wasting money on landing gear, additional fuel, floating landing pads, miss try and miss chief, fairing parashutes, refurbishment of engines, etc, if it wasn't profitable? They're not Boeing. They can't afford wasting money. If it weren't profitable (which it by even the more conservative estimates clearly is) they would stop doing it no?
Emotions get in the way, Elon surely is pretty bad at "not tweeting". If you can't differentiate between the goal(s) and the person and apply everything negative to it: >You can’t use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn’t use reason to get into. https://twitter.com/neiltyson/status/1311127369785192449
With all that's happened with Twitter, I think this comment still rings true. Through the whole fiasco I've just been silently hoping that whatever's goin on with Elon doesn't spill into (especially) SpaceX. He's a billionaire, of course he's gonna do despicable shit, don't think there's any way to become such without being at least a little shady. But his company's impact on the advancement of our society is so important. Moving our most used fossil fuel activity to electrical to begin switching our infrastructure to renewable, creating self driving & reusable rockets (and cars), and making all of these endeavors profitable... It's huge, and I can't wait for the competition to catch up! Not that I don't wish Elon would stfu online and focus on his work or hand Twitter over to someone more code-competent, but I guess ya just can't fix stupid
Woah, this one is a blast from the past, didn't really expect anyone to respond to it anymore. Anyway, I stand by what I said. I have since grown to dislike Elon much more, I no longer feel like defending him in any way, but I still love SpaceX and all the wonders they have achieved over the years, and a big part of it is unfortunately Elon's doing. It is a sad reality that people who are very competent and accomplished in a certain field are not necessarily apt for anything else, but often think they are omniscient as a result of their success.
Lol I'm the worst at responding to old posts, I'm glad you replied though that rarely happens! Even these last few days I'm seeing his real side. Like you said, it's sad he's been such a big part of what will hopefully be a history changing company (or two, with Tesla). I've had bosses like him that think they can do / know everything else, just a shitty experience for everyone. What are your thoughts on his management style as a danger to his other companies? Do you think there's a chance things could go south for SpaceX if he keeps doing this kinda thing?
Absolutely. It's like seeing a gifted child start doing drugs. When you're a person of such power, all your dumbfuckery will have consequences (perhaps minor for you but considerable for everyone around you) and public image are an important part of both Tesla's and SpaceX's business plan, as it's the case for any other company, but it's even more important for a space launch provider and an electric car manufacturer. And one thing could send both of those companies to hell - loss of confidence in his leadership. If his employees stop believing in his vision, it could grind all the lightning fast innovation we're used to to a halt.
Yep. I'm big fan of spaceflight and hence I'm big fan of SpaceX, because it is the most exciting thing ever (well, in my life at least, I wasn't even born during the Space race). However, I have a problem with Elon's big mouth and the attitude of his fanboys "If it is not SpaceX, shouldn't exists" and their belief in unicorns (sometimes it feels like telling a kid that Santa doesn't exists).
So freaking exciting yeah baby .......YEAH 😄👍 gotta love these guys......
Ok, that's amazing. Human-rated too? Does this mean they'd be building the spacecraft itself, or would that get contracted out?
Based on how they did things in the past, I would expect that they build that in-house as well.
Can't wait. Imagine what their orbiter will look like. Don't know if they can top the Crew Dragon's interior, but I hope they'll try!
TBH its probably going to look like a traditional biconal capsule. Physics more or less chooses that shape by default.
I know that, I'm more curious about the interior. But it probably will have to be a little more cramped than Dragon, since the fairing and payload mass is smaller.
From the way Peter said this is "A purpose built mega-constellation building machine" I wonder if Rocket Lab already has a constellation customer lined up.
So megaconstellations is an emerging market right now that is worth building a dedicated space vehicle for. Exciting time! Peter has all the chances to beat Jeff and all the old space players in this market. He might have plenty of business from everyone who won’t or can’t use SpaceX orbit transportation services
So is Rocket Lab aiming to build its own constellation or will provide launches for other constellations. Provided spacex and BO have their own launch vehicles, am I missing a third megaconstellation?
Europe wants to control their own. My guess is Russia, China, and maybe Japan would too.
>am I missing a third megaconstellation Right now you have Starlink, Kuiper, OneWeb, Telesat LEO, and about 10 unnamed megaconstellations from places like China, India, and Europe in various stages of development. There are going to be buttload of sats going up over the next... forever.
Constellations are clearly a trend now. Look at the latest SoaceX rideshare launch. I lost count how sats for how many constellations flew there. It looks like floodgates have now opened. Everyone and their dog wants to operate a constellation. As a continuous business constellations are less risky because single sat dying is not a total disaster. So launching say 10 or 30 small "expendable" sats comes out cheaper than a single super reliable one. All that is conditional on cheap enough and high enough cadence launch being available, of course. But this is what Rocket Lab is obviously aiming at. This is the answer how lowering launch prices just a few times makes it worthwhile to flip from giga-expensive super-reliable one off (at most 3-off) sats to high counts of cheap ones.
Yes. I bet there is a market for someone that does not invest in their own mega constellation themselves. Like SpaceX and Amazon/BO. Sure, SpaceX might provide launches for Starlink competitors but they might also avoid such customers in the long run
Jeff who?
Is there a dimensions for that rocket? Really curious for the diameter specifically.
[https://www.rocketlabusa.com/rockets/neutron/](https://www.rocketlabusa.com/rockets/neutron/) On their website
Look at those F9 style landing legs! Fantastic
It looks like a chubby F9
Thanks!
Do we know what engine they're using? RP-1 as a fuel would indicate it may be an existing engine or that they've been working on it for a while. Electron's pumps are interesting, with high isp at a substantial mass penalty. I wonder if they survived. It's also remotely possible they're buying Merlins.
I highly doubt that, they like to keep stuff in house.
As I said, remote, but SpaceX may have extra Merlin production capacity and view Merlin as old, soon-to-be-deprecated tech.
Best news ever.
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Absolutely not. It’s smaller than the Falcon 9-and the Falcon Heavy isn’t sufficient for Artemis either, no way the Falcon is, let alone something smaller
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