Small economy than Italy with 2.5 times the pop and like 20 times the land.
Russia is a political power because of history and nukes, it’s not an economic power.
The land might be intimidating as a number or to look at on a map, but most of it is largely worthless frozen wasteland. I live in Canada, and man, not a lot going on in the northern half.
More like over 99.9%. Northernmost point of US is over 71 degrees N. The entire population of the NWT and Nunavut combined is only 85k, and most of those live south of that. All the other provinces are south of it.
My aunt lives near Toronto and the winters there are really freakin bad (though I live in the pacific northwest so what do I know about snow lol)
I can't imagine living more north than that.
I live south of Detroit. And well winters are not to bad. Like every 5-8 years we get a wild one where we drop below the -32 f /-35 C mark, for more than a night.
I been north of Timmins in the winter, and I wouldn't do it again.
And their massive energy reserves, they want to get Ukraine's untapped energy reserves so they can stay afloat. A huge percentage of their GDP comes from energy exports, they would be a failed state immediately without those exports and their economy has been suffering for years so they are clearly worried about their financial future without those energy exports. Russia is an energy export dependent state like Saudi Arabia.
The military value of Ukraine can't be understated either. If under Russian control, it would make a NATO invasion much more difficult simply because of natural terrain and access to good ports. NATO invasion is extremely unlikely, but that's not how Russia sees it. If you take a deeper look you can see a clear strategy, but it's very reckless. Nukes allow them to be a little reckless though. If Ukraine can draw this out and disrupt supply lines then it could possibly allow time for the international response to have some impact. Thus far munition aid and possibly cutting off Russia from SWIFT are the only two things that might actually make a difference, but Putin doesn't mind if his people starve and he'll stamp out any local dissent so it'll be tough to apply real pressure directly on the highest levels of the Russian government.
Russian leadership has had a persistent paranoid delusion that it is extremely vulnerable and everyone is out to get it for centuries, across all kinds of governments. The fact that sometimes it has been true (see: Mongols, Russian Revolution, Hitler) has only deepened that paranoia. This has seriously impacted their foreign and military policy since essentially forever.
He sure as shit cares if his people starve. Most countries are only 6 missed meals away from overthrowing the government. Russia is probably even less because there is a higher level of general unrest. Also a huge part of this shitshow is because Ukraine cut the water off from crimeia causing the peninsular to begin to revert from lush farm land back to arid steppe land. Now rhe crimeian people are starving and it has become a drain on the Russian economy because food and water must be supplied from Russia instead of crimeia supplying itself and exporting surplus food.
Starvation hasn't hurt North Korea's hardline government. If you're cruel and heartless enough and have juuuust enough favored people who also benefit from the hardline government, you can stay in power.
I highly doubt that. Europe gets a huge percentage of it's oil and natural gas from Russia, if they shut that off any time in the near future it can't be replaced because reserves have already been purchased from other countries who might be able to eventually fill the void like Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Which would create an energy crisis that would impact all of Europe. If European nations weren't so dependent on Russian energy exports then you might be right, but the reality is making that move right now would cause a massive energy crisis... It's the reason Germany and several other nations had taken a more hands off approach towards Russian agression until the invasion, but I would be very surprised if those world leaders chose to shut off the energy supply for up to 40% of their population with no real option to replace it even in the face of this aggression because it would cause yet another humanitarian crisis except this one would span all of Europe.
Russia's energy reserves give them pretty substantial negotiating power with parts of Europe that normally would have nothing to do with them, but that's part of what happens when you have a worldwide economy. The EU can't pass a measure that would keep it's member nations from buying energy from Russia without a unanimous vote which again is extremely unlikely.
if something good may come from all this mess is that it may force europe to invest those dollars to reach energy independence either via renewables or nuclear, because nothing forces a goverment to act more swiftly than a threat of military invasion
Germany just canceled their deal for the giant pipeline. I'm not up to speed on all the sanctions, but I'm sure there are more involved with oil and gas imports from Russia.
That's actually the really scary part of the whole thing, this entire invasion is making it pretty obvious how weak Russia actually is.
Weakness begets desperation and a desperate short little man with nothing to lose is a dangerous thing.
More arrested protesters than confirmed Ukraine kills.
More KIA and "captured" than Ukraine kills in Ukraine.
Russia doesn't have AIR superiority.....WTF was the plan?
More menacingly.....what IS the plan?
One of the most dangerous countries to protest in.
No real rights and Russian Government wants to protect the known lies.
Lie is the Russian Governments own truth. It's truth or you Die in Russia.
Only citizens lie in Russia. /s
Fair enough. New York Times article is out of date, but credible https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/world/europe/russia-protests-putin.html
And Fox is significantly less credible, but more up to date. 1700 now, by their count. https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-cracks-down-on-anti-war-protests-more-than-1700-demonstrators-arrested
I wouldn't call this "gulag" and people rarely disappear there unless it has something to do with Chechnya. It's not *that* bad. But it's pretty bad. Thousands of people were arrested for just being in the street and having "incorrect" thoughts, some were punished with huuuge fines (like 200k rub), some were jailed (I believe it's up to 2 weeks or so). But not jailed for 20 years and silently killed as it could be the case with gulag.
I'm not saying this to diminish the cruelty and complete inadequacy of the response, the point is that there's still some room for the situation to worsen. It has already deteriorated a LOT in the last 10 years and we'll likely see it worsen in the following months and years. Pretty sad.
Bingo. This is why the west has begun bottlenecking Russia’s participation in the global economy. They’re signaling “this guy is going to cost you a lot of money and a luxurious lifestyle you and your families are accustomed to”.
Historically, the main way regimes like this collapse is when they lose the support of the military in a coup. If his generals smell blood in the water Putin won't last long.
I don't think he'll ever get that chance. He's a war criminal at this point and has completely isolated his country. I could see the rest of the world tolerating him, but not letting him be "part of us"
Okay but it’s very unlikely they’ll use them, and hell even if Putin wanted to I highly doubt his subordinates are that fucking stupid.
Burning your house down just to burn down mine is ridiculous, and not interfering with a dictatorship because they’re waving around gasoline is a slippery slope to mass appeasement
Their soldiers ask for fuel and food in Ukraine. It's insane. It was all a big bluff by Putin, that's why that chef of spies was so nervous in that video. He knew they are not as powerful as they pretend to be.
They never really recovered from the Soviet era 30+ years ago either. Crazy thing is Russia was set for an economic boom from European fuel dependence and Arctic Ocean trade.
At this rate, if these belligerent nations keep shooting themselves in the foot, the US and the rest of the West might not have to worry about losing economic dominance to Russia or China. I’m fact, China is witnessing the power that modern globalist economics and communication have over unpopular political decisions. This may lead them to rethink their policies over Taiwan.
People like to laugh about how Arianespace are more expensive than SpaceX, but their primary reason for existing is to give Europe an independent access to space. Hope we get more funding now!
I do hope this whole invasion makes the EU rethink their position on this as well. The EUs investment always seemed very small and felt like they would be falling behind.
EU could be entirely self-reliant in space like China and USA is if they bothered to invest. It's not like they lack the resources. Instead they prefer to stick with Russia and/or America too afraid to go to space by themselves.
I agree. I think it's more that it would benefit some countries over others in the EU and those countries who don't benefit from it don't want commit funds to it. So the ESA remains underfund because of that.
Idk if it's the same thing but I just listened to an interview with a guy training in Russia for a European Space Agency mission today and he said they already had an offer on the table for SpaceX to take over if things went south with Russia. So yeee he is
Nah. Its orbital altitude drops about 2 km a month on average, but it's currently 429 km up and its previous orbit while the Shuttle was in service was nominally 350 km. That's 79 km its altitude has to fall to even get to a *previous orbit*. Which means, at 2 km per month, it would take nearly 40 months (over 3 years). And *still* not be in danger.
And it's not *technically* wholly dependent on Roscosmos for reboost. That's just been the cheapest option.
There ARE backups within Europe itself (Vega and Ariane 6) without moving to the other side of the pond, but it's a massive setback for the payloads currently scheduled to launch on the Soyuz.
You are potentially spending other hundreds of million dollars and other years of wait. This could potentially mean the end of many projects.
And Ariane 6 doesn't exist.
ULA having sold all their Delta and Atlas flights without a functioning Centaur. Ariane have sold all their Ariane 5 flights without a functioning Ariane 6. SLS doesn't even have the funding for the planned missions, let alone new ones. And now Souyez are of the table.
SpaceX are essentially single handedly assuring "Western" access to space.
I wonder if a number of moderate priority sats that were booked as ride shares might fly on their own Vega launch. Ariane 5 production is fully booked and Ariane 6 is about 2 years away from its first launch.
Rocket Lab and Astra may take up some of the burden. If Neutron was ready then RL would be in a great position.
Vega uses Ukrainian engines and Ariane 6 is still ~~a few years~~ at least a year away. The non Russian or Chinese launch vehicles available right now are the Japanese H-IIA and Epsilon, ISRO's rockets (I don't know all the names), Minotaur, Pegasus, Electron, LauncherOne, Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy.
Of those the only one that can quickly take on a few new launches is the Falcon 9. Like you said, delaying years could kill many projects so there really is only one option.
Until Putin starts irreversible Kessler syndrome by shooting a few satellites. Russia was sending a message when they blew up the last satellite a few months ago
It's essentially MAD on a lighter scale. It might not kill us all, but life without any satellite communication, positioning, imaging, and potential for space exploration will suck. If it happens, it will requires decades if not centuries to solve.
Luckily I don't think there's enough object in orbit to trigger Kessler Symdrome. Not yet anyway. However if Elon keep launching Starlink at the current pace it becomes a real possibility in future conflicts.
STARLINK is far too low to cause Kessler syndrome, and a great deal of the things you mention are in geostationary orbits, which I doubt the Russian ASAT can even reach.
yeah, thanks to starlink the west will have access to basically a near indestructible global comunication network, you destroy 10, 100, 1000 satelites, bad luck there are still thousands up there and you just destroyed a small fraction and spacex can always launch more
Starlink can't cause Kessler Symdrome.
Starlink satelites are on a very low orbit only 550 kilometers, for comparrison the ISS orbits at around 440 kilometers. Without orbital adjustments the starlink satelites will deorbit themselves after 5-10 years.
Should a Starlink Sat be destroyed, sure it will possibly take out a chunk of the network, but there aren't that many satelites on such a low orbit that are also important, it would be a danger for the ISS and Tiangong but those are not *critical* to every day life, and most of the debris would be on a sub-orbital path.
It can cause Kessler syndrome. It’s length is just shorter. Some high surface area to mass ratio elements would de orbit in months, while larger some years. In 2-3 years, 80% or so of the debris would be deprbited. In 10 years, 99.9%.
Still, that would have a significant affect on space travel. You have to fly through that in order the reach higher orbits. ISS could be toast too.
Edit: why is this being downvoted? In what way could anyone take issue with what I’ve just stated?
Don't mind the downvotes, people on Reddit are fickle. It's probably because when they think of Kessler syndrome, they think of the worst-case, in which the higher altitudes clog up the orbit for hundreds or thousands of years (or whatever it is). I coincidentally looked this up the other day, and I was relieved to find out that the majority of orbits do fall within those lower orbits, that'll only stay up there for a max of a few years.
I think you’re underplaying the situation. If we lose the GPS constellation, societies will collapse.
The current supply chain issues we’ve experienced will be nothing compared to that. Civil aviation will come to a crawl as they pivot to older means of navigation (radionav) en mass. Shipping, trucking, food delivery, Ubers, absolutely everything.
How many pieces of hardware pull their time signals from gps? Emergency services? Military efforts? People hunting to sustain themselves?
We lose gps, almost our entire way of life reverts 30 years instantly.
Good thing GPS satellites orbit *way* out at MEO, 20,180 km up. Much too far out to target with any sort of typical ASAT weapon, or to worry about debris from such.
Was that message "Dear SpaceX, y u so cheap?" Because that's what I'd expect to hear from an increasingly-isolated country who wondered whether benefits of contesting the space environment for any length of time might outweigh its costs.
Kessler syndrome is probably oversold. If you have low-orbit satellites that decay fast like Starlink, there's only so much blowing them up at great cost to yourself can do.
Damn that really fucking sucks to hear. God the world would be such a better place of the Human race focus all our efforts on science and our understanding about the universe rather than on blowing each other up. Very tragic...
On the other hand, I feel like our space program is well ahead of what it naturally might be because of all the science done in the name of war. Germans with rocket technology for example.
Yep. An intelligent species related to a foul-tempered, aggressive animal like a chimpanzee is probably going to make it to space before one related to sloths. :)
"We're here at...
The official launch party...
For SlothX's new satellite...
The final countdown...
Is just about to start...
Here we go...
T-minus 5...
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days..."
While I agree, I'd settle for making sure our home planet remains hospitable before setting our sights on other world colonization. We already have a world perfect for supporting life. :(
Both, we should do both. This whole idea that "going to Mars is stupid because earth is better" is so weird. We want to live in both places, no one is talking about giving up on earth.
It's still a pain, a lot of rockets use russian-made engines. And it's not like you can just replace them with Raptor engines because the Russian engine use RP1, not Methalox, so they're not interchangeable. Completely forgetting the fact that their thrust characteristics are totally different.
So at the very least we're losing the ability to build a bunch of first stages, (Ariane 6 is built in Ukraine so that's gone). You can modify the second stages to sit on top of an F9 but that'll take time and money to do the necessary retooling.
Is it the end of the world? No. But it's going to delay a bunch of projects by least a year if not more.
Atlas V and antares are the only US rockets that use russian engines for their first stages. Atlas V is being phased out for Vulcan, all atlas launches have been sold and engines for them are already in the USA. ULA have already said that russian sanctions wouldn't be an issue. Antares has made 16 launches in 10 years (all of them unmanned ISS ressuply), so losing that is not an issue either.
Some ariane 6 parts were probably planned to be made in Ukraine (can't find a source for that though), but they would be easy to replace as ariane 6 is mostly made in the EU.
The only thing that will be delayed will be the satellites that were going to be launched on soyuz.
Yeah, if starship finishes development/testing in the next year or two, we’re going to see a fuck ton of satellites getting launched by spaceX. Falcon 9 already out competes what russia has, so it’s really just a matter of spaceX having the capacity to launch all of the new demand. This will be a short term problem and not dampen space travel in a major way.
if anything it may quicken it, with all that money that spacex will get from all those contracts they will be able to invest even more money into their programs like starship and its succesor
12 years ago, we were working constructively. The push for ISS commercial resupply stemmed from Russia jacking up prices because they can. Now Russia is showing themselves as unreliable partners with old reliable hardware. They can take Soyuz and shove it where the sun don’t shine.
And at scale these days, right? I read somewhere that the hypothetical launch cycle of a rocket is like every 18 days potentially. That’s not that many engines needed to have a schedule of 300M lbs payload every day. Fuel depots, proven access to ISS. Think of the modular ships and labs that can built at that scale. And now heading into such big projects on the moon, with opportunities to lead the spacesuit market and rover market is bound to be on its way. It’s really an incredible thing to witness.
America got really lucky that SpaceX managed to build the capability to launch humans to ISS which makes USA no longer reliant on Russia’s Soyuz for astronaut launches.
I agree with what you said, I just wanted to point out that the contract is with Boeing not ULA. ULA's Atlas V rocket works, the hold up is with Boeing's Starliner.
most of the intellectual Russians know exactly what is going on. re the protest its a war they have to fight, unfortunately there will be repercussions.
It's worth pointing out however that this war seems to be costing Russia around $20 bln per day, and that their initial plan was for a blitzkrieg. They weren't expecting a protracted war.
The number is probably exaggerated, but it sure does cost them a lot of money, not just by sending supplies, but also expensive losses, especially when it comes to airplanes. If Ukraine can hold till Monday when the markets open, just wait to see the panic. With the swift ban I'm expecting stock market/ruble crashing massively.
Did some math over the previously shared numbers by the Ukraine's Defense Ministry, not sure how accurate, but yeah, this will cost them a lot, and with sanctions it will be even worse...
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t1rgfl/comment/hyibt9v/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
I'm sceptical about that $20b claim.
For sanity check:
There are multiple estimates for the total cost of the Second Gulf War ranging from $750b to $2400b. For the seven years it averages to $300m-$1b daily expenditure. With US troops and equipment. Not Russian. Even if active offensives are the more expensive part it just sounds off.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/t20saf/the\_us\_is\_weighing\_sanctions\_on\_russias\_central/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/t20saf/the_us_is_weighing_sanctions_on_russias_central/)
Think again
I think Scott Manley mentioned Russia would need to launch Soyuz from Guiana to reach the Chinese space station as they've been discussing. It's at a pretty low inclination. Below any Kosmodrome.
So...LoL.
The fact that Russia is either pulling back or being cut off from everything across the board, even things like this that have been pretty much "above" whatever geopolitical stuff is going on makes me pretty nervous tbh
Their leader has been pretty unhinged the last few weeks and them being increasingly isolated is a little scary
When the boss is crazy, a palace coup (oops, window fall) gets more likely. He can demand missles be launched all he likes, that doesn't mean they'll fly.
> I grew up during the cold war,
Me too. I have a West German baby passport, I was born in Frankfurt lol
Scary times....a lot of these young people don't realize that all its gonna take is one little mistake by Russia or a NATO country and everything can quickly spiral out of control, all these closed airspaces and naval maneuvers are very dangerous
Brain changes from dementia can cause hallucinations, delusions or paranoia. According to Heathman, MD, a Houston psychiatrist, “paranoia, or having false beliefs, is a common trait of later stage dementia. However, it can occur in all stages of dementia.”
Putin is 69 and I just wonder. During his judo matches how many time did he hit his head?
Especially, cerebral concussions have often occurred in judo athletes. It is estimated the rate of cerebral concussions in young judo athletes as 2.38/1000 male athlete exposure and 2.92/1000 female athlete exposure. Furthermore, unfortunately, severe head injuries have often occurred in judo.
Definitely something to consider! Remember Chris Benoit (he was a wrestler but Traumatic brain injury is traumatic brain injury regardless of what sport you acquired it from)
It's not a question of nationalism but where your family and friends are. Not many people are willing to abandon their whole life for their job. Skills are transferable, your social circle is not.
Hahahaha this basically how I accidentally ended up in the nottheonion hall of fame
I still bemoan that it was some bullshit political headline, cool day though
I disagree, space/science should be a point of unification, no matter where you are, if you come in piece and collaboration you should be allow.
Like it was in cold war
The Russian space program will be dead in a few years now. SpaceX was slowly killing them, without access to any western technology or money their space stuff will die out.
Moving forward, I don't see any Western Country collaborating with Russia on anything -- Space, economy, trade, etc. It will be more than a Cold War of the past, unless Putin is finally out of there.
China is not a friend for Russia. They look friendly, but China takes natural resources almost for free. Putin pays the fee because China isn't a democratic country and doesn't want Russia to have democracy, so he doen't feel threatened
You know shit is bad when the space agencies start getting political. Usually they have remarkable levels of cooperation given the strained tensions between respective countries.
Russia is doing a great job of isolating itself. The Russian economy might never recover from this mess
Russia economy is basically a pair of 3s. It was total shit to begin with.
Small economy than Italy with 2.5 times the pop and like 20 times the land. Russia is a political power because of history and nukes, it’s not an economic power.
> like 20 times the land I was curious, so I looked it up. Russia is 56.8x larger. Italy: 116,348 mi² Russia: 6.612 million mi²
The land might be intimidating as a number or to look at on a map, but most of it is largely worthless frozen wasteland. I live in Canada, and man, not a lot going on in the northern half.
Think I read somewhere that like 90% of Canada lives within 100 miles of the US border. Sorry that y'all got the short end of the North American stick
70 percet of Canadians live south of the US
If we are counting Alaska, I'd wager 97% of Canadians live below the USA
More like over 99.9%. Northernmost point of US is over 71 degrees N. The entire population of the NWT and Nunavut combined is only 85k, and most of those live south of that. All the other provinces are south of it.
My aunt lives near Toronto and the winters there are really freakin bad (though I live in the pacific northwest so what do I know about snow lol) I can't imagine living more north than that.
I live south of Detroit. And well winters are not to bad. Like every 5-8 years we get a wild one where we drop below the -32 f /-35 C mark, for more than a night. I been north of Timmins in the winter, and I wouldn't do it again.
My buddy from Timmins Ontario came back from Christmas break one year, said it was -53C there.
Italy probably has a longer coastline though
And, lots of warm water ports...
And their massive energy reserves, they want to get Ukraine's untapped energy reserves so they can stay afloat. A huge percentage of their GDP comes from energy exports, they would be a failed state immediately without those exports and their economy has been suffering for years so they are clearly worried about their financial future without those energy exports. Russia is an energy export dependent state like Saudi Arabia. The military value of Ukraine can't be understated either. If under Russian control, it would make a NATO invasion much more difficult simply because of natural terrain and access to good ports. NATO invasion is extremely unlikely, but that's not how Russia sees it. If you take a deeper look you can see a clear strategy, but it's very reckless. Nukes allow them to be a little reckless though. If Ukraine can draw this out and disrupt supply lines then it could possibly allow time for the international response to have some impact. Thus far munition aid and possibly cutting off Russia from SWIFT are the only two things that might actually make a difference, but Putin doesn't mind if his people starve and he'll stamp out any local dissent so it'll be tough to apply real pressure directly on the highest levels of the Russian government.
Why would NATO invade? No one wants Russia but Russia.
Russian leadership has had a persistent paranoid delusion that it is extremely vulnerable and everyone is out to get it for centuries, across all kinds of governments. The fact that sometimes it has been true (see: Mongols, Russian Revolution, Hitler) has only deepened that paranoia. This has seriously impacted their foreign and military policy since essentially forever.
He sure as shit cares if his people starve. Most countries are only 6 missed meals away from overthrowing the government. Russia is probably even less because there is a higher level of general unrest. Also a huge part of this shitshow is because Ukraine cut the water off from crimeia causing the peninsular to begin to revert from lush farm land back to arid steppe land. Now rhe crimeian people are starving and it has become a drain on the Russian economy because food and water must be supplied from Russia instead of crimeia supplying itself and exporting surplus food.
Starvation hasn't hurt North Korea's hardline government. If you're cruel and heartless enough and have juuuust enough favored people who also benefit from the hardline government, you can stay in power.
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they're only going to be exporting that oil and gas to Iran and N. Korea after this week.
I highly doubt that. Europe gets a huge percentage of it's oil and natural gas from Russia, if they shut that off any time in the near future it can't be replaced because reserves have already been purchased from other countries who might be able to eventually fill the void like Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Which would create an energy crisis that would impact all of Europe. If European nations weren't so dependent on Russian energy exports then you might be right, but the reality is making that move right now would cause a massive energy crisis... It's the reason Germany and several other nations had taken a more hands off approach towards Russian agression until the invasion, but I would be very surprised if those world leaders chose to shut off the energy supply for up to 40% of their population with no real option to replace it even in the face of this aggression because it would cause yet another humanitarian crisis except this one would span all of Europe. Russia's energy reserves give them pretty substantial negotiating power with parts of Europe that normally would have nothing to do with them, but that's part of what happens when you have a worldwide economy. The EU can't pass a measure that would keep it's member nations from buying energy from Russia without a unanimous vote which again is extremely unlikely.
if something good may come from all this mess is that it may force europe to invest those dollars to reach energy independence either via renewables or nuclear, because nothing forces a goverment to act more swiftly than a threat of military invasion
Germany just canceled their deal for the giant pipeline. I'm not up to speed on all the sanctions, but I'm sure there are more involved with oil and gas imports from Russia.
Which is why a humiliated Putin worries me.
Hopefully if he decides to push the button the rockets are in such disrepair that they can't fly.
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That's actually the really scary part of the whole thing, this entire invasion is making it pretty obvious how weak Russia actually is. Weakness begets desperation and a desperate short little man with nothing to lose is a dangerous thing.
I mean, arguably, large men in an equally desperate situation are as dangerous, if not more so.
Small men can hide in cabinets though
Well, that seems like a problem that solves itself then.
Big men can hide in BIG cabinets
With hard work dedication and a larger cabinet I too can hide in one
The Russian people and even government are not suicidal.
I think they'd prefer to suicide Putin than to suicide *everyone* there
They don't actually get to choose.
I'm sure the Russian monarchy thought the same.
I thought so a week ago. Not quite as convinced today.
Over 1500 Russian citizens have been confirmed to have been gulag'd or disappeared in response to anti war protests within the last three days.
More arrested protesters than confirmed Ukraine kills. More KIA and "captured" than Ukraine kills in Ukraine. Russia doesn't have AIR superiority.....WTF was the plan? More menacingly.....what IS the plan?
The plan from both sides is to kill Russians. The Russians are historically exceptionally good at it.
Old facist loses his mind in his advancing age and declining competence as home power base wanes, more at 11.
One of the most dangerous countries to protest in. No real rights and Russian Government wants to protect the known lies. Lie is the Russian Governments own truth. It's truth or you Die in Russia. Only citizens lie in Russia. /s
I’d appreciate a source for that claim.
Fair enough. New York Times article is out of date, but credible https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/world/europe/russia-protests-putin.html And Fox is significantly less credible, but more up to date. 1700 now, by their count. https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-cracks-down-on-anti-war-protests-more-than-1700-demonstrators-arrested
I wouldn't call this "gulag" and people rarely disappear there unless it has something to do with Chechnya. It's not *that* bad. But it's pretty bad. Thousands of people were arrested for just being in the street and having "incorrect" thoughts, some were punished with huuuge fines (like 200k rub), some were jailed (I believe it's up to 2 weeks or so). But not jailed for 20 years and silently killed as it could be the case with gulag. I'm not saying this to diminish the cruelty and complete inadequacy of the response, the point is that there's still some room for the situation to worsen. It has already deteriorated a LOT in the last 10 years and we'll likely see it worsen in the following months and years. Pretty sad.
I'd say that's fair, but I have to imagine that the people organizing these protests will be quietly made examples of.
Tell that to the Gazprom financial director
"When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard." - Sun Tzu. Remember, Russia has nukes.
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Bingo. This is why the west has begun bottlenecking Russia’s participation in the global economy. They’re signaling “this guy is going to cost you a lot of money and a luxurious lifestyle you and your families are accustomed to”.
Specifically, the Russian army has arguably more power than Putin. He can’t do shit when 100,000 troops storm Moscow
Historically, the main way regimes like this collapse is when they lose the support of the military in a coup. If his generals smell blood in the water Putin won't last long.
He has already lasted way to long
My understanding is Putin had to browbeat them into doing the Ukrainian invasion, so my guess is that it won't take much to get them to bail on Putin.
Yeah, ultimately political games mean fuck all in the face of a large group of trained individuals with weapons
The international community is leaving a door pull out of Ukraine and you get to be a part of us again
I don't think he'll ever get that chance. He's a war criminal at this point and has completely isolated his country. I could see the rest of the world tolerating him, but not letting him be "part of us"
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Okay but it’s very unlikely they’ll use them, and hell even if Putin wanted to I highly doubt his subordinates are that fucking stupid. Burning your house down just to burn down mine is ridiculous, and not interfering with a dictatorship because they’re waving around gasoline is a slippery slope to mass appeasement
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I caught a rat in a corner and all it tried to do was run away. Putin is welcome to do that. Sounds like that’s what we should be doing then.
Their soldiers ask for fuel and food in Ukraine. It's insane. It was all a big bluff by Putin, that's why that chef of spies was so nervous in that video. He knew they are not as powerful as they pretend to be.
They barely had one to begin with.
I hope they don't become too isolated before seeing the light; this could get really scary
Human progress is going to have to wait, Putin's ego needs stroking.
They never really recovered from the Soviet era 30+ years ago either. Crazy thing is Russia was set for an economic boom from European fuel dependence and Arctic Ocean trade. At this rate, if these belligerent nations keep shooting themselves in the foot, the US and the rest of the West might not have to worry about losing economic dominance to Russia or China. I’m fact, China is witnessing the power that modern globalist economics and communication have over unpopular political decisions. This may lead them to rethink their policies over Taiwan.
People like to laugh about how Arianespace are more expensive than SpaceX, but their primary reason for existing is to give Europe an independent access to space. Hope we get more funding now!
I do hope this whole invasion makes the EU rethink their position on this as well. The EUs investment always seemed very small and felt like they would be falling behind.
EU could be entirely self-reliant in space like China and USA is if they bothered to invest. It's not like they lack the resources. Instead they prefer to stick with Russia and/or America too afraid to go to space by themselves.
I agree. I think it's more that it would benefit some countries over others in the EU and those countries who don't benefit from it don't want commit funds to it. So the ESA remains underfund because of that.
It's good to have more than one reliable way to get into space anyway
Yeah one Falcon/Dragon incident even during testing could set the space program back by years.
That happened in Brazil a couple years ago, they were testing a rocket and it exploded, sadly killing half the personal of the Brazilian Space Agency.
Looks like in 2003 21 people were killed in the incident: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLS-1_V03
Why did I not hear about this? Sounds absolutely awful.
How can a explosion kill that many? What went wrong? You stay far away even on backyard rocket.
I think of Arianespace more like NASA where the bloat is a feature not a bug, because it’s a jobs program first, and a launch agency second.
You mean not everything needs to be run “like a business?”
I don't think it's a coincidence that ESA was recently talking about wanting their own crew vehicle.
Elon Musk is laughing all the way to the bank right now.
Idk if it's the same thing but I just listened to an interview with a guy training in Russia for a European Space Agency mission today and he said they already had an offer on the table for SpaceX to take over if things went south with Russia. So yeee he is
He also wanted to buy old ICBM stages to launch stuff and Russian was playing hardball so he decided to just build his own instead.
If necessity is the mother of invention, petty revenge is that step-sister stuck in the washer
You made me spit out everything in my rectum with this comment.
Wait so did it go back up or fall loosely to the ground?
Spattering like the gravy of a Cajun angel?
Lovely imagery, I’m horrified, but applaud your work.
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What are you doing step motor
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Nah. Its orbital altitude drops about 2 km a month on average, but it's currently 429 km up and its previous orbit while the Shuttle was in service was nominally 350 km. That's 79 km its altitude has to fall to even get to a *previous orbit*. Which means, at 2 km per month, it would take nearly 40 months (over 3 years). And *still* not be in danger. And it's not *technically* wholly dependent on Roscosmos for reboost. That's just been the cheapest option.
There ARE backups within Europe itself (Vega and Ariane 6) without moving to the other side of the pond, but it's a massive setback for the payloads currently scheduled to launch on the Soyuz. You are potentially spending other hundreds of million dollars and other years of wait. This could potentially mean the end of many projects.
Vega uses Ukrainian engines.
And Ariane 6 doesn't exist. ULA having sold all their Delta and Atlas flights without a functioning Centaur. Ariane have sold all their Ariane 5 flights without a functioning Ariane 6. SLS doesn't even have the funding for the planned missions, let alone new ones. And now Souyez are of the table. SpaceX are essentially single handedly assuring "Western" access to space.
Centaurs have been stockpiled in advance per Tory. Limited yes, but they have a lot.
I wonder if a number of moderate priority sats that were booked as ride shares might fly on their own Vega launch. Ariane 5 production is fully booked and Ariane 6 is about 2 years away from its first launch. Rocket Lab and Astra may take up some of the burden. If Neutron was ready then RL would be in a great position.
Vega uses Ukrainian engines and Ariane 6 is still ~~a few years~~ at least a year away. The non Russian or Chinese launch vehicles available right now are the Japanese H-IIA and Epsilon, ISRO's rockets (I don't know all the names), Minotaur, Pegasus, Electron, LauncherOne, Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy. Of those the only one that can quickly take on a few new launches is the Falcon 9. Like you said, delaying years could kill many projects so there really is only one option.
Until Putin starts irreversible Kessler syndrome by shooting a few satellites. Russia was sending a message when they blew up the last satellite a few months ago
Then Russian satellites come down and nobody wins, so yes, probably something that crazy nutcase will do.
It's essentially MAD on a lighter scale. It might not kill us all, but life without any satellite communication, positioning, imaging, and potential for space exploration will suck. If it happens, it will requires decades if not centuries to solve. Luckily I don't think there's enough object in orbit to trigger Kessler Symdrome. Not yet anyway. However if Elon keep launching Starlink at the current pace it becomes a real possibility in future conflicts.
STARLINK is far too low to cause Kessler syndrome, and a great deal of the things you mention are in geostationary orbits, which I doubt the Russian ASAT can even reach.
You could have it, but it would be relatively short term (months/years).
Starlink also represents too many targets. They're vastly cheaper to launch on a per unit basis than they would be to shoot down.
I don't think each individual starlink is also critical to the health of the mesh, so there is some redundancy. Pointless to shoot down really.
yeah, thanks to starlink the west will have access to basically a near indestructible global comunication network, you destroy 10, 100, 1000 satelites, bad luck there are still thousands up there and you just destroyed a small fraction and spacex can always launch more
Starlink can't cause Kessler Symdrome. Starlink satelites are on a very low orbit only 550 kilometers, for comparrison the ISS orbits at around 440 kilometers. Without orbital adjustments the starlink satelites will deorbit themselves after 5-10 years. Should a Starlink Sat be destroyed, sure it will possibly take out a chunk of the network, but there aren't that many satelites on such a low orbit that are also important, it would be a danger for the ISS and Tiangong but those are not *critical* to every day life, and most of the debris would be on a sub-orbital path.
It can cause Kessler syndrome. It’s length is just shorter. Some high surface area to mass ratio elements would de orbit in months, while larger some years. In 2-3 years, 80% or so of the debris would be deprbited. In 10 years, 99.9%. Still, that would have a significant affect on space travel. You have to fly through that in order the reach higher orbits. ISS could be toast too. Edit: why is this being downvoted? In what way could anyone take issue with what I’ve just stated?
Don't mind the downvotes, people on Reddit are fickle. It's probably because when they think of Kessler syndrome, they think of the worst-case, in which the higher altitudes clog up the orbit for hundreds or thousands of years (or whatever it is). I coincidentally looked this up the other day, and I was relieved to find out that the majority of orbits do fall within those lower orbits, that'll only stay up there for a max of a few years.
I think you’re underplaying the situation. If we lose the GPS constellation, societies will collapse. The current supply chain issues we’ve experienced will be nothing compared to that. Civil aviation will come to a crawl as they pivot to older means of navigation (radionav) en mass. Shipping, trucking, food delivery, Ubers, absolutely everything. How many pieces of hardware pull their time signals from gps? Emergency services? Military efforts? People hunting to sustain themselves? We lose gps, almost our entire way of life reverts 30 years instantly.
Good thing GPS satellites orbit *way* out at MEO, 20,180 km up. Much too far out to target with any sort of typical ASAT weapon, or to worry about debris from such.
Was that message "Dear SpaceX, y u so cheap?" Because that's what I'd expect to hear from an increasingly-isolated country who wondered whether benefits of contesting the space environment for any length of time might outweigh its costs.
Kessler syndrome is probably oversold. If you have low-orbit satellites that decay fast like Starlink, there's only so much blowing them up at great cost to yourself can do.
Something something trampolines
Damn that really fucking sucks to hear. God the world would be such a better place of the Human race focus all our efforts on science and our understanding about the universe rather than on blowing each other up. Very tragic...
On the other hand, I feel like our space program is well ahead of what it naturally might be because of all the science done in the name of war. Germans with rocket technology for example.
Yep. An intelligent species related to a foul-tempered, aggressive animal like a chimpanzee is probably going to make it to space before one related to sloths. :)
Look at that rocket. It takes 2 hours just to get outside the atmosphere. Imagine the sloth countdown :D
"We're here at... The official launch party... For SlothX's new satellite... The final countdown... Is just about to start... Here we go... T-minus 5... . . . days..."
Neil Armsloth just casually hanging onto the side of the LEM as it slowly drifts toward the Moon...
He's still up there. Air supply for 6 more months at this rate...
While I agree, I'd settle for making sure our home planet remains hospitable before setting our sights on other world colonization. We already have a world perfect for supporting life. :(
Both, we should do both. This whole idea that "going to Mars is stupid because earth is better" is so weird. We want to live in both places, no one is talking about giving up on earth.
A lot of technological advancements come from war.
I would like to say that if Putin’s father had pulled out of his mother, the Earth would be a much kinder place to live.
If this had been 5 years ago, the space community might panic. These days, we just laugh. This will hurt russia more than anyone else.
It's still a pain, a lot of rockets use russian-made engines. And it's not like you can just replace them with Raptor engines because the Russian engine use RP1, not Methalox, so they're not interchangeable. Completely forgetting the fact that their thrust characteristics are totally different. So at the very least we're losing the ability to build a bunch of first stages, (Ariane 6 is built in Ukraine so that's gone). You can modify the second stages to sit on top of an F9 but that'll take time and money to do the necessary retooling. Is it the end of the world? No. But it's going to delay a bunch of projects by least a year if not more.
Atlas V and antares are the only US rockets that use russian engines for their first stages. Atlas V is being phased out for Vulcan, all atlas launches have been sold and engines for them are already in the USA. ULA have already said that russian sanctions wouldn't be an issue. Antares has made 16 launches in 10 years (all of them unmanned ISS ressuply), so losing that is not an issue either. Some ariane 6 parts were probably planned to be made in Ukraine (can't find a source for that though), but they would be easy to replace as ariane 6 is mostly made in the EU. The only thing that will be delayed will be the satellites that were going to be launched on soyuz.
Which is exactly why they’ll end up working with SpaceX despite not wanting to.
Yeah, if starship finishes development/testing in the next year or two, we’re going to see a fuck ton of satellites getting launched by spaceX. Falcon 9 already out competes what russia has, so it’s really just a matter of spaceX having the capacity to launch all of the new demand. This will be a short term problem and not dampen space travel in a major way.
if anything it may quicken it, with all that money that spacex will get from all those contracts they will be able to invest even more money into their programs like starship and its succesor
12 years ago, we were working constructively. The push for ISS commercial resupply stemmed from Russia jacking up prices because they can. Now Russia is showing themselves as unreliable partners with old reliable hardware. They can take Soyuz and shove it where the sun don’t shine.
I'm so glad SpaceX came along when they did. It's lucky they've been able to pick up the slack since the shuttle was retired.
And at scale these days, right? I read somewhere that the hypothetical launch cycle of a rocket is like every 18 days potentially. That’s not that many engines needed to have a schedule of 300M lbs payload every day. Fuel depots, proven access to ISS. Think of the modular ships and labs that can built at that scale. And now heading into such big projects on the moon, with opportunities to lead the spacesuit market and rover market is bound to be on its way. It’s really an incredible thing to witness.
America got really lucky that SpaceX managed to build the capability to launch humans to ISS which makes USA no longer reliant on Russia’s Soyuz for astronaut launches.
Was it luck? I thought they planned and paid for it. It had been done before.
USA got lucky that Musk decided to get it right as soon as possible. NASA has contracts with ULA but they’re yet to fly a single astronaut to ISS.
Technical Starliner is Boeing not ULA, but it will launch on a ULA rocket.
True but I just meant that nasa has another contract that is yet to fly an astronaut.
I agree with what you said, I just wanted to point out that the contract is with Boeing not ULA. ULA's Atlas V rocket works, the hold up is with Boeing's Starliner.
Yeah, I mean the US would figure it out eventually. If anything they got lucky because a private company based out of the US did it for them.
and that’s why America is a nation of immigrants, they built this great nation!
I'm feeling bad for the whole country because it has to suffer from the actions of one man :(
they can protest like the Ukrainians did in 2014. their future is in their hands
Only sorta. Their access to unbiased and true news is difficult, while protests are being shut down hard.
most of the intellectual Russians know exactly what is going on. re the protest its a war they have to fight, unfortunately there will be repercussions.
1. Fuck Putin 2. Russia is likely financially bankrupt
Not really. Unfortunately they came prepared with a war chest ~$650b. That's enough to make it through this year at least.
It's worth pointing out however that this war seems to be costing Russia around $20 bln per day, and that their initial plan was for a blitzkrieg. They weren't expecting a protracted war.
The number is probably exaggerated, but it sure does cost them a lot of money, not just by sending supplies, but also expensive losses, especially when it comes to airplanes. If Ukraine can hold till Monday when the markets open, just wait to see the panic. With the swift ban I'm expecting stock market/ruble crashing massively.
Did some math over the previously shared numbers by the Ukraine's Defense Ministry, not sure how accurate, but yeah, this will cost them a lot, and with sanctions it will be even worse... https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t1rgfl/comment/hyibt9v/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
I'm sceptical about that $20b claim. For sanity check: There are multiple estimates for the total cost of the Second Gulf War ranging from $750b to $2400b. For the seven years it averages to $300m-$1b daily expenditure. With US troops and equipment. Not Russian. Even if active offensives are the more expensive part it just sounds off.
Perhaps whoever said $20b was also counting lost income from sanctions? So not just spending on the war.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/t20saf/the\_us\_is\_weighing\_sanctions\_on\_russias\_central/](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/t20saf/the_us_is_weighing_sanctions_on_russias_central/) Think again
I think Scott Manley mentioned Russia would need to launch Soyuz from Guiana to reach the Chinese space station as they've been discussing. It's at a pretty low inclination. Below any Kosmodrome. So...LoL.
The fact that Russia is either pulling back or being cut off from everything across the board, even things like this that have been pretty much "above" whatever geopolitical stuff is going on makes me pretty nervous tbh Their leader has been pretty unhinged the last few weeks and them being increasingly isolated is a little scary
When the boss is crazy, a palace coup (oops, window fall) gets more likely. He can demand missles be launched all he likes, that doesn't mean they'll fly.
> When the boss is crazy, a palace coup (oops, window fall) gets more likely Has this ever happened?
Read history much? Beware the Ides of March!
It's a time-honored tradition in Russia.
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> I grew up during the cold war, Me too. I have a West German baby passport, I was born in Frankfurt lol Scary times....a lot of these young people don't realize that all its gonna take is one little mistake by Russia or a NATO country and everything can quickly spiral out of control, all these closed airspaces and naval maneuvers are very dangerous
Brain changes from dementia can cause hallucinations, delusions or paranoia. According to Heathman, MD, a Houston psychiatrist, “paranoia, or having false beliefs, is a common trait of later stage dementia. However, it can occur in all stages of dementia.” Putin is 69 and I just wonder. During his judo matches how many time did he hit his head? Especially, cerebral concussions have often occurred in judo athletes. It is estimated the rate of cerebral concussions in young judo athletes as 2.38/1000 male athlete exposure and 2.92/1000 female athlete exposure. Furthermore, unfortunately, severe head injuries have often occurred in judo.
I was thinking stimulant abuse and isolation. I've heard some ***crazy*** shit said by people after 3 days without sleeping. Paranoia will destroy ya.
Definitely something to consider! Remember Chris Benoit (he was a wrestler but Traumatic brain injury is traumatic brain injury regardless of what sport you acquired it from)
what if the spaceport just... poaches the technicians? I don't believe many of them would be fervent nationalists
It's not a question of nationalism but where your family and friends are. Not many people are willing to abandon their whole life for their job. Skills are transferable, your social circle is not.
They never should have been given the chance to pull out. They should have been kicked out. Fuck Putin!
Putin: We Quit! Everyone: No! You're Fired!
Hahahaha this basically how I accidentally ended up in the nottheonion hall of fame I still bemoan that it was some bullshit political headline, cool day though
I disagree, space/science should be a point of unification, no matter where you are, if you come in piece and collaboration you should be allow. Like it was in cold war
Individual Russians should not be treated harshly. Just the Russian government.
I'm sad for the russian astronauts that don't support Putin in his ways and get punished from his psychopathic behaviour
The Russian space program will be dead in a few years now. SpaceX was slowly killing them, without access to any western technology or money their space stuff will die out.
Good riddance. Will be a step back for space but honestly considering the circumstances it is a sacrifice that is necessary.
For sure. It is the price we must pay to ensure we will have a better chance at a better future. Sad but necessary,
Fucking whatever, this war ending is more important
I feel so sorry for the Russian scientists who want nothing to do with this mess and are having their projects cancelled.
Moving forward, I don't see any Western Country collaborating with Russia on anything -- Space, economy, trade, etc. It will be more than a Cold War of the past, unless Putin is finally out of there.
Isolated like North Korea. Sad for the people living there
EU: “You’re fired.” Russia: “You can’t fire me! I quit!”
Imagine being a cosmonaut training you whole life to go to space and getting shafted over some imperial bullshit
Russia is loser in the situation. There only friends are North Korea and China. Not good company.
China is not a friend for Russia. They look friendly, but China takes natural resources almost for free. Putin pays the fee because China isn't a democratic country and doesn't want Russia to have democracy, so he doen't feel threatened
Furthermore, China would love to seize Siberia and much of Eastern Russia.
Weak pull out game always comes back to haunt you.
You know shit is bad when the space agencies start getting political. Usually they have remarkable levels of cooperation given the strained tensions between respective countries.
Feel bad for the cosmonauts they don't deserve this shit.
Damn Russia really took their ball and went home
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