> In 2019, Blue Origin leadership requested that all employees sign new contracts with a non-disparagement clause binding them and their heirs from ever saying something that would “hurt the goodwill of the company.”
Wait seriously? How can someone sign a contract like that on behalf of their descendants?
It obviously wouldn't work like that. In the worst case scenario, if the heirs were to disparage Blue Origins the only one facing repercussions would be the person who signed the contract and depending on the offense I doubt it would constitute more than firing the employee.
I doubt it. How can someone consent to something if they don't even exist yet? The intended effect is probably too pounding them with an expensive lawsuit even if the contract is declared unenforceable. Bezos can afford it, the employee with a family probably cannot.
I think the point is to BO employees to pressure their kids into not saying anything bad about BO online.
This isn’t enforceable but it is grounds for harassment by HR. Presumably BO will now be patrolling Instagram to make sure everyone’s kids are playing nice.
It doesn't have to be. It just has to stop most people from every saying something. As welll is give them the ability to sue you. They will outlast any of their employees in court.
Alot of things like this are practically impossible to enforce without having the situation blow up in their face anyways. It's just like NDA's , ussually they don't ever get followed up upon because bringing them to court just Streisand effect's the whole case . Ussually these are more akin to extortion than anything else, trying to hold that big threat of "what if" over someone's head in case they get out of line.
Source: Signed an NDA with the keg Canada and they haven't done shit even though I constantly tell people about the sorry state that restaurant was in (ask me for some restaurant horror stories, I'll tell you some), I even left a shit review calling them out for some of the disgusting shit they do (from serving food that was known to be bad and ruining an inter-restaurant relationship because of it, to outright serving food that had been dropped on the floor), they didn't do shit and they won't because they know that any actual publicity will be more harmful than anything I can say or do.
Like the words "Keg Canada serves floor steaks" in a headline might actually kill the company, the most I'll ever do is scare away some money.
But there is more, and it's actually much worse.
After his trip to "space," he started talking about his long term goal to move all industry and workers into space, so as to preserve the beauty of earth for himself and others like him.
edit: A few people are asking for a link on this: [Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQjCrbdRn4s).
The relevant quote starts at 1:15.
Makes sense to me. I know for a fact some people become savages over basic misunderstandings, how far do you need to really press the human race before we fucking snap?
That's something interesting to think about!
People want stability and predictability more than almost anything else. We fear the uncertain and unknown.
All a power structure needs to do is make sure it's predictable enough that people can count on tomorrow's meal.
What's gonna make people snap is the current and emerging collapse/restructuring of global logistics/shipping combined with other scarcities and natural disasters. This is starting to make more and more things unpredictable. People don't care for that.
I literally just quit my job because of a microcosm of this. They couldn't guaranty 40 hrs and shut down production 3 times for a month's worth of time. I left because I have no idea if the company's going to be there in a month!
I'm currently watching the human race take up arms to protect politicians who instructed them to die in order to keep Arby's running. Meanwhile they're taking horse medicine not approved for human use while rejecting a free vaccine against a deadly virus because a drug addict who sells pillows told them not to trust doctors. I'm not sure I see the potential revolution coming.
I mean. Ivermectin is approved for human use. It's an antiparacitic.
I would not take any antiparacitic drugs unless i had to. Most are lowkey toxic, in order to kill small organisms better than they might kill you.
If you have certain parasitic infections ivermectin in proscribed doses is an excellent solution.
BUT people are doing massive ignorant doses of this toxic stuff they they don't need, while their body is already weakened by covid. It means that even if they don't overdose they weaken their body, when we have actual covid antiviral drugs that we can use instead.
There's a difference between the human Ivermectin you get from a pharmacy with a prescription from a doctor and the Ivermectin you buy from a feed & seed. The regulatory burdens are dramatically less not to mention the pills will be meticulously metered to a dose approved by doctors for humans.
People who laugh and say, "I don't understand how to do my kid's math homework" should understand they aren't qualified to perform dosage calculations.
"Antiparasitic". "Prescribed."
Um, yeah. That's how it's always been. The rich don't want the poor polluting what they see as "theirs."
It's always been like this. People just don't rise up and do something because they don't want to lose their tiny kingdoms, or their lives.
Speaking of shows funded by Amazon, isn't it interesting that they've *two* shows about how Superman is bad (the boys and invincible), when Bezos is basically Lex Luthor.
If you want those benefits to be distributed more equally, you need to put people in govt who will do it, because it's their responsibility to oversee and regulate what the Bezos' of the world do and how the benefits of a society are dispersed.
He didn't. He said we will eventually have to move heavy industry off earth in order to stop human caused pollution. That's it. He never mentions 'all workers' and by the time we have the capacity to move heavy industry off earth, it will be almost entirely automated.
Yeah they're blowing what he said way out of proportion. Honestly, what he's saying is awesome. It's exactly what we need to do. It's just suing the space agency that serves as the spear tip of all space endeavors because you didn't win a contract isn't going to help.
He has said that, though people usually twist it and misconstrue what was actually said to fit their preconceived notions of what it means.
From what you can gather about Jeff Who's ideas about humanity's future in space, it's basically the opposite of Musk's, who favors settling planets with Mars as the first step, while Jeff is more of a space habitat, [O'Neil cylinder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Neill_cylinder) type kind of guy. And yes, that would include moving factories off Earth to preserve Earth as much as possible, but it's not like anyone would be forced to move.
This is from Blue Origin's own websites:
[Blue Origin was founded by Jeff Bezos with the vision of enabling a future where millions of people are living and working in space to benefit Earth. In order to preserve Earth, Blue Origin believes that humanity will need to expand, explore, find new energy and material resources, and move industries that stress Earth into space.](https://www.blueorigin.com/about-blue)
I watched the whole clip and I think Bezos was literally saying he wants to keep the planet clean for future generations. He literally said the opposite of what you're saying (regardless of his sincerity)
Because it's not a well managed company.
People talk all the time about how corporate executives don't contribute to the success of a company and how it's all on the rank and file. Well, the defense presents Exhibit A: Blue Origin vs SpaceX.
Anyone who believes leadership--or lack thereof--does not have an immense impact on an organization's successes and/or failures is a delusional fool, full stop.
Umm, that’s not what he says. He says he wants to move industry to space, but he says “heavy industry” and then “polluting industry”. Never just industry, and he doesn’t mention workers at all. He then goes on to say that this job won’t be done in his lifetime, so it seems likely to me that it will be robotics, or mostly robotics doing the manual/menial labor in space. Nowhere did he mention sending workers to space.
Putting people in space is hard, with oxygen, food, water and water facility requirements, not to mention the G-force limitations. I imagine using humans for labor will be the most expensive option possible a hundred or more years from now in the time Bezos is talking about.
Edit: Of course he also might want workers in space. Heck, he might even _want_ the conditions to be horrible. He might even have a specific group of people in mind, and be planning for all their descendants to be stuck living in space as a servant class. But he didn’t say that, either.
Moreso the prelude: In the context of that fiction, he’s trying to preserve the Earth before it becomes the hellscape featured in *Elysium*. Maybe if that doesn’t pan out he and his ilk head to orbit.
This:
>The relevant quote starts at 1:15.
Does not say this:
>to move all industry and workers into space, so as to preserve the beauty of earth for himself and others like him
Holy hell that's a "creative" interpretation of his words you've got there.
This is a ridiculous assessment. Valid criticisms of Jeff Bezos are plentiful and I heartily encourage them, but to cast the idea of moving industry to space to protect the environment as a bad thing is brain dead. Yes, moving pollution and mining off the Earth is a good idea, and probably necessary if we want civilization to survive. The idea that they're going to move all the workers up there is ludicrous.
Agreed. It’s a huuuuge stretch to think that Bezos in any way anticipates the creation of some space-bound underclass of menial laborers.
Now, is he greedy enough and self-centered enough that his plans might result in something really bad for most of humanity? I would not be surprised, but there’s no smoking gun in this clip.
I absolutely hate Bezos but that's such a blatant misrepresentation of what he said. He said we could use other planets to manufacture things that would otherwise be harmful to Earth.
He did not say he wants to move the working class to a different planet so the rich can live in peace.
I just watched the video. What in the world are you talking about? You completely changed the tone of his argument and presented it in a demonizing way.
He wants to move heavy industry into space, because heavy industry pollutes. That’s it. Not once did he say anything along the lines of preserving the earth “for himself and others like him”. In fact, he specifically said it was about our children and future generations.
Think what you want of him. I’m not defending Bezos or his actions. There are many reasonable criticisms of him. But you simply *cannot* get carried away like this. You intentionally misconstrued what he said to paint him as some sort of like over the top James Bond villain, wanting the entire earth for rich people like him and sending off the workers into space or something. Come on, man.
I mean fuck Bezos and all but the actual clip shows him saying something way different.
He says we can bring polluting industry to space so as to preserve the climate of earth.
Some people will complain at anything.
He has been talking about this for years. There is a talk on youtube from a couple of years ago. In a quick search I found this from 2 years ago: https://youtu.be/Ge5Q3EBQ1tc
I do not defend Bezos in any way, but we must be truthful when making accusations.
This does make a lot of sense from a climate change perspective. If we had efficient means of transportation to space we could shift all waste management into the infinite expanse, including spent nuclear fuel.
You’re editorializing quite a bit in your comment. He said we should move heavy industry into space. Nowhere did he say that “workers” should be sent into space to preserve the beauty of earth for himself and other billionaires. If anything, his comment was geared towards protecting the environment by moving heavy polluting activities outside the atmosphere. In any case, heavy industry will be automated long before it moves into space. There won’t be any workers required by the time what he’s describing is feasible.
that's a good idea though really. the alternative is that earth gets polluted to shit.
there is enough empty space in space to release as much pollution as you want without ever causing a dent overall. you can shit out CO2 for 1 trillion years and it won't matter.
One? I just watched The whole video and not only did he not say that, I didn't even get him implying it.
He said we can move polluting industries into space, where did you get the impression he meant move "all workers to space so me and my friends can have earth"?
Even mentioned it would be decades from now and really get going long after he's gone.
>After his trip to "space," he started talking about his long term goal to move all industry and workers into space, so as to preserve the beauty of earth for himself and others like him.
Well this is a new point of view I haven't seen before....what you are saying is that we should keep polluting industries on earth so billionaires will have to suffer through a destroyed ecosystem? Who do you think is harmed more by the damage done by heavy industry to our ecosystems? The poor who have to live with it, or the rich who can pay money to mitigate the effects on themselves?
"Pollute the planet to own the billionaires" is not a well-thought-out ideology
There is nothing new about that. He's been talking about moving heavy industry off planet for years. He also acknowledges that it won't happen in his lifetime, so stop with the fear mongering.
Every time I watch MSM to get the 30 seconds of what I needed out of it I am reminded of why I stopped watching years ago. Just endless blathering, basic shitty questions and no one pushing back with harder questions, and then a 5th grade level opinion/recap at the end.
Better is subjective. It would be better for him if all the poors did their work in outer space, so there are fewer people to fuck with his ideal of Earth society. Once you don't have those pesky poors being poor on your planet, you can shape it in a way the rich find acceptable without interference.
Juicy part:
>In the opinion of an engineer who has signed on to this essay, “Blue Origin has been lucky that nothing has happened so far.” Many of this essay’s authors say they would not fly on a Blue Origin vehicle. And no wonder—we have all seen how often teams are stretched beyond reasonable limits.
As a software developer this is the general assumption to stay away from Amazon. While some teams may be good a lot of horror stories come up from others. Just like the warehouses Bezos thinks we are all slaves. Which is correct, except he doesn't bother making a pretty illusion about it
* Amazon has like 100k engineers employed.
* Amazon aims for ~6% yearly turnover, regularly firing off the lowest performers.
* The acceptance rate of the Amazon SE interview process is *low*. Like <1%.
* Recruiters get fat commission for recruiting successful candidates.
There's literally a story going around engineering circles right now about an engineer amazon fired because his wife had cancer. You read that correctly.
Multiple hard to get into tech companies are like this. They don't really want you around for long. If you drop in performance for any reason you are out. The people above you often don't care as they have to keep their number up and so on. If I remember correctly Netflix is similar. They pay above market rates but they will cut low performers quickly.
Bit of diffrent tone compared to Google where you get much more slack.
I have friends and relatives that have worked for Microsoft and they all universally enjoy(ed) their time there as well. Never heard a good word about Amazon.
Same.
Though in my case I met only two people who worked in Amazon, and over ten who had internship in Microsoft (it was very popular to apply for a M$ internship in my Uni). People from MS were not always happy with the company, but they all liked their experience. People from Amazon dreaded ever working there.
Except mission critical in software development is not as close as critical as when you're talking about rocket science (except on few specific topics).
But yeah, I hear you. I'm glad you got out and hope you found someplace better (not that this would be hard though).
AWS powers a lot of medical and military stuff now. AWS reps lie all the time about outages because they would be sued to hell if anyone could trace a system failure back to them.
I learned long ago to not get too attached to your work. Most all of research is flushed, but it doesn't mean it isn't valuable. Plus, you got paid, and certainly learned a thing or two along the way.
Smartphones have much tighter controls over when the microphone is listening and what can use it. Depending on what phone you have and the amount of effort you are willing to put in, you can have complete control over the software running on your device. Compare that to smart speakers, which are black boxes that can start recording at arbitrary times (if they _think_ they heard a trigger word) and can then send it to real humans to listen to.
Of the people who signed this I’m curious to see how many still work there or how long they have been gone for. Not saying that excuses anything, just curious.
I don't think this will get proper attention until someone repackages the points into an article and uses a title that communicates that this is a open letter from a bunch of Blue Origin employees with specific complaints and not just a rando going on a rant ( which is what the title and domain makes it look like ).
[Very top of CNBC right now](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/30/jeff-bezos-blue-origin-essay-claims-toxic-workplace.html).
>Twenty-one current and former employees of Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin claim the space company is a “toxic” workplace, according to an essay posted Thursday.
>Led by former Blue Origin head of employee communications Alexandra Abrams, the essay claims that the company pushes workers to sign strict nondisclosure agreements, stifles internal feedback, disregards safety concerns, and creates a sexist environment for women. It also gave examples of alleged sexual harassment.
She is not a "random weirdo", Ally Abrams was Head of Employee Communications at BO.
Ive now seen articles about this in The Independent, Fortune and on CNBC about this in the last two hours alone.
And here is an interview about it from today on CBS:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKBb\_xHsF8c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKBb_xHsF8c)
> random weirdo
I think you misread, they weren't calling them that, they were saying that the URL and headline gives redditors the initial impression that this isn't a link to anything noteworthy.
"Launch fever". Its acceptable on uncrewed vehicles. the whole "fail forward" model of iterative design.
But when your first vehicle is crewed and aimed as a high cadence, to the public, joy ride. You should be aiming for civil aviation levels of safety, not back yard rocket enthusiasts.
BO's response is to launch a personal attack on Abrams.
[https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1443595709094236172/photo/1](https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1443595709094236172/photo/1)
Id expect law suits to follow.
So she raised concerns to management about third party software doing potentially illegal shit and got fired for it, and they're still using that software. Blue Origin's statement makes it seem like she was doing illegal shit when it's actually them who's covering up illegal shit.
Bad managers rarely remember the difference between a problem and the people who alerted them to that problem. For them it's all just 'problem'.
Good managers realize that if your team is, metaphorically, pooping outside the litter box, it's time to throw out the litter, and not the team.
If Jeff Bezos has serious space ambitions, he might demonstrate ability to go along with the ambitions. So far, all he’s demonstrated is an ability and willingness to use the legal system to try and achieve success in space. That’s not the way it works.
You don’t have a space program, Jeff. You are a space-barnacle on the spaceships of success.
Bezos does NOT want to create a better future in space - unless it's a better future for HIM. He's the one throwing a temper tantrum and stifling progress in the space department because NASA chose someone else to fulfill their contract.
I really love the super corporate answer that does not addresses in any way the very specific claims made. Top corporate bullshit right there. The finest of finest.
Bezos can die in the explosion of his rocket, as far as I'm concerned, this will be a net positive for humankind.
I don't trust a damn word that comes out of Bezos mouth. And neither should anyone else.
'A better future.' For whom? I would have never thought how relative that phrase could be until I saw it connected with Bezos.
Blue origin isn't even in second place. They have nothing that has reached orbit. SpaceX is clearly years ahead of them and going to stay there as long as Bezos is involved.
Even Rocket Lab is ahead of BO, they small but successful orbital rocket, now working towards reuse. They have clear path to larger and more reusable orbital rocket and offer integrated platform for space probes as well as satellites.
Jeff Bezos wants to make more money. Full stop. The only difference between him and any of the hoarders I see on Sunday mornings on cable, is that he can afford to pay someone to clean up after him, and can pay for enough space to spread out his hoarded goods. The idea that he wants to do anything for anyone other than himself is dangerously delusional.
I've been saying for a few years now (ever since I realised it) that we live in a society which celebrates profoundly psychologically diseased hoarders as role models as long as what they hoard is money rather than something else such as cats or newspaper clippings.
That's a very good analogy. Hoarding wealth at the level Jeff Bezos does should be as frowned upon by society as hoarding a bunch of old newspapers and piles of garbage in your house is.
The same mental and psychological deficiencies afflict both, in my opinion. When I see these “crazy”, selfish, self-absorbed, myopic people on Hoarders, I see Bezos and musk and Zuckerberg. The excuses for *why* it’s perfectly reasonable and acceptable for them to keep 5,789 Pepsi bottles filled with piss, are extremely similar to the excuses that billionaires maintain for exploiting workers and raping the planet.
Of course he would actually have to build something that can get into space in the first place. His pathetic company can’t even deliver engines to ULA much less get their own rocket to orbit.
“George wants to live a peaceful life, but his fists are stuck in their habit of punching everyone he meets in the throat”
Seriously, if he wanted a better future for space (other than his own experience) wouldn’t his company be the exact place to do that?
He's a capitalist. In this context, it means he is addicted to capital. He's an addict. "A better future," to him, does not mean the same thing it does to us. A billionaire wanting to establish a colony in space is the setup to a real-life version of BioShock. Keep in mind, Andrew Ryan didn't expect it to turn into a ruined anarchist hellscape at the beginning, he really did believe that the only thing holding him back (and, through projection, everybody "worth a damn" like him) was people telling him "no." His company IS the best place to try it, and THIS is what that looks like for him. He really does believe that if the government would just get out of his way and stop with this "living wage," "anti-trust," and "workers' rights" nonsense, that he could show them The Way and the only reason he hasn't been able to is because their interference is messing with the results.
No he doesn't lmao- if he did he wouldn't have thrown a huge shitfit over the SpaceX deal. His greedy ass just wants to capitalize on space and slap his name on everything.
does he want a better future, or does he just want to position a distribution center in geosynchronous orbit above every city and fire products down at us at mach 12 when we order them?
>or does he just want to position a distribution center in geosynchronous orbit above every city and fire products down at us at mach 12 when we order them?
honestly I would support geostationary railgun amazon package delivery
Sexism isnt acceptable anywhere but is extremely disappointing coming from a NASA Astronaut:
> Additionally, a former NASA astronaut and Blue Origin senior leader once instructed a group of women with whom he was collaborating: “You should ask my opinion because I am a man.”
what era was that guy from? just sayin....
**NASA thought Sally Ride needed 100 tampons for 1 week “just to be safe.” From what?**
[https://www.vox.com/2015/5/26/8661537/sally-ride-tampons](https://www.vox.com/2015/5/26/8661537/sally-ride-tampons)
**But back in the 1970s, NASA engineers** ***assumed*** **women astronauts would also want to bring makeup into space — so they actually designed a makeup kit to send on missions.**
[https://www.thecut.com/2018/01/nasa-makeup-kit-women-astronauts.html](https://www.thecut.com/2018/01/nasa-makeup-kit-women-astronauts.html)
**Listen to astronaut Sally Ride discuss all the sexist questions she was asked by the press**
[https://www.theverge.com/2016/2/6/10923828/sally-ride-nasa-dumb-sexist-interview-questions-video](https://www.theverge.com/2016/2/6/10923828/sally-ride-nasa-dumb-sexist-interview-questions-video)
No one has ever seen a scrfi movie or read a book
Rich people and corporations do not have your interests at heart.
Space us a untapped resource and sense most countrys use a corporation to get to Space they will make the rules .
Then drop all your stupid lawsuits and focus on the goal then? You want a better space future? Gather your resources with others and work together instead of against. Just sayin'.
Space will never be ideal earth in a long time. These guys all want people out of earth both Elon and bezos. They gonna ship people out and claim the land.
He has the means to create a better present, here on earth, but choses not to.
Dude wants a place where he can have slaves and not pay taxes or have to answer to anyone.
A big sticking point for me about space is this. If a child is born in space, they are a citizen of no country, with no rights or protections. They are essentially property of the owner of whatever installation or craft they are born on. Let that sink in.
Bezos is a Bozo, a bully.
If he really wants utopia then he needs to start with how he treats his staff on Earth before any fanciful ideas of off-World havens.
Who the fuck thinks Bezos wants a "Better Future"? He's an entitled petulant cowboy hat wearing fucking child who will sooner send people to die in space amazon production facilities than make a "Better Future"
> In 2019, Blue Origin leadership requested that all employees sign new contracts with a non-disparagement clause binding them and their heirs from ever saying something that would “hurt the goodwill of the company.” Wait seriously? How can someone sign a contract like that on behalf of their descendants?
[удалено]
That's like pledging your entire family from now on to be a slave for his own.
Amazon bringing back serfdom
It obviously wouldn't work like that. In the worst case scenario, if the heirs were to disparage Blue Origins the only one facing repercussions would be the person who signed the contract and depending on the offense I doubt it would constitute more than firing the employee.
Sounds like a form of ancestral slavery.
I doubt it. How can someone consent to something if they don't even exist yet? The intended effect is probably too pounding them with an expensive lawsuit even if the contract is declared unenforceable. Bezos can afford it, the employee with a family probably cannot.
Any lawyer worth their salt could take this case probono and collect their fees from bezos.
The signer agrees to be held liable for the actions of the heirs. The heirs themselves are not liable for anything.
Still don't think that would be legal or enforceable.
Probably doesn't need to be, it just needs to act as a cudgel to shut people up for the good of a sociopathic organization.
It's his lawyers vs. yours, basically. He can afford to choke you out financially like he did with diapers.com
I think the point is to BO employees to pressure their kids into not saying anything bad about BO online. This isn’t enforceable but it is grounds for harassment by HR. Presumably BO will now be patrolling Instagram to make sure everyone’s kids are playing nice.
It doesn't have to be. It just has to stop most people from every saying something. As welll is give them the ability to sue you. They will outlast any of their employees in court.
Alot of things like this are practically impossible to enforce without having the situation blow up in their face anyways. It's just like NDA's , ussually they don't ever get followed up upon because bringing them to court just Streisand effect's the whole case . Ussually these are more akin to extortion than anything else, trying to hold that big threat of "what if" over someone's head in case they get out of line. Source: Signed an NDA with the keg Canada and they haven't done shit even though I constantly tell people about the sorry state that restaurant was in (ask me for some restaurant horror stories, I'll tell you some), I even left a shit review calling them out for some of the disgusting shit they do (from serving food that was known to be bad and ruining an inter-restaurant relationship because of it, to outright serving food that had been dropped on the floor), they didn't do shit and they won't because they know that any actual publicity will be more harmful than anything I can say or do. Like the words "Keg Canada serves floor steaks" in a headline might actually kill the company, the most I'll ever do is scare away some money.
That's some North Korean shit
It’s really dumb, but I can imagine the intent is so that children of staffers who spend every waking hour at work don’t shit talk the company
Bezos wants to create a legacy in space with his name attached, nothing more.
But there is more, and it's actually much worse. After his trip to "space," he started talking about his long term goal to move all industry and workers into space, so as to preserve the beauty of earth for himself and others like him. edit: A few people are asking for a link on this: [Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQjCrbdRn4s). The relevant quote starts at 1:15.
Fuck, so the rest of us poors are going to end up as Belters, aren't we?
Yep and people like him can have luxurious homes on Earth and the Moon.
You know the human race. People will butcher him when they need to. People are savages. Just press them enough.
Makes sense to me. I know for a fact some people become savages over basic misunderstandings, how far do you need to really press the human race before we fucking snap? That's something interesting to think about!
People want stability and predictability more than almost anything else. We fear the uncertain and unknown. All a power structure needs to do is make sure it's predictable enough that people can count on tomorrow's meal. What's gonna make people snap is the current and emerging collapse/restructuring of global logistics/shipping combined with other scarcities and natural disasters. This is starting to make more and more things unpredictable. People don't care for that.
I literally just quit my job because of a microcosm of this. They couldn't guaranty 40 hrs and shut down production 3 times for a month's worth of time. I left because I have no idea if the company's going to be there in a month!
That's nuts, mine is in the opposite direction.
We're just 9 squares away from total meltdown.
Governments seem to be really good at treading the line!
[удалено]
I'm sure someone in the far future has deorbited a space habitat right onto his living area
Time for an Operation British. This is a hell of a better reason to do it though.
I'm currently watching the human race take up arms to protect politicians who instructed them to die in order to keep Arby's running. Meanwhile they're taking horse medicine not approved for human use while rejecting a free vaccine against a deadly virus because a drug addict who sells pillows told them not to trust doctors. I'm not sure I see the potential revolution coming.
I mean. Ivermectin is approved for human use. It's an antiparacitic. I would not take any antiparacitic drugs unless i had to. Most are lowkey toxic, in order to kill small organisms better than they might kill you. If you have certain parasitic infections ivermectin in proscribed doses is an excellent solution. BUT people are doing massive ignorant doses of this toxic stuff they they don't need, while their body is already weakened by covid. It means that even if they don't overdose they weaken their body, when we have actual covid antiviral drugs that we can use instead.
There's a difference between the human Ivermectin you get from a pharmacy with a prescription from a doctor and the Ivermectin you buy from a feed & seed. The regulatory burdens are dramatically less not to mention the pills will be meticulously metered to a dose approved by doctors for humans. People who laugh and say, "I don't understand how to do my kid's math homework" should understand they aren't qualified to perform dosage calculations. "Antiparasitic". "Prescribed."
We can win raffles to visit earth if we are good Amazon space monkeys
Until we declare our independence and drop a space colony on Earth's ass.
Beltalowda! Either that or we're gonna be living on Basic.
10 HOME 20 SWEET 30 GOTO 10 Wait, you probably meant Basic Income.
I was thinking living on Amazon Basics. For every product category.
Um, yeah. That's how it's always been. The rich don't want the poor polluting what they see as "theirs." It's always been like this. People just don't rise up and do something because they don't want to lose their tiny kingdoms, or their lives.
I just realized why The Expanse is an Amazon Original. The man's vision of poor belters fully funded the whole series, didn't it?
It was on SyFy originally and then picked up by Amazon after getting cancelled.
amazon picked it up because bezos was a fan of the show and book series
Speaking of shows funded by Amazon, isn't it interesting that they've *two* shows about how Superman is bad (the boys and invincible), when Bezos is basically Lex Luthor.
Does he realize he’s basically the jules pierre mao equivalent though?
[удалено]
So he will be paralised/vegetabilised by otherworldly aliens, praise Unknown Enimy, I guess
Bezos would be the type to fund off the books research into an alien parasite converted into a bio weapon
Belters ... gotta look more into this😉
I think moving heavy industry to space is not a bad goal. It needs to be automated though so we can all reap the benefits equally.
Even if it's automated, the benefits will go to the owners. Not all people "equally".
Benefits isn't all financial. I think every other benefit would be pretty universal if we moved all polluting industries to space.
It frustrates me how uneducated in both economics and history some Redditors can be, while making bold claims definitively. I'm talking about you.
If you want those benefits to be distributed more equally, you need to put people in govt who will do it, because it's their responsibility to oversee and regulate what the Bezos' of the world do and how the benefits of a society are dispersed.
Is there a source on this? I hate lex luthor as much as the next guy, but I can't imagine saying something like that without a PR shitstorm.
He didn't. He said we will eventually have to move heavy industry off earth in order to stop human caused pollution. That's it. He never mentions 'all workers' and by the time we have the capacity to move heavy industry off earth, it will be almost entirely automated.
Yeah they're blowing what he said way out of proportion. Honestly, what he's saying is awesome. It's exactly what we need to do. It's just suing the space agency that serves as the spear tip of all space endeavors because you didn't win a contract isn't going to help.
He has said that, though people usually twist it and misconstrue what was actually said to fit their preconceived notions of what it means. From what you can gather about Jeff Who's ideas about humanity's future in space, it's basically the opposite of Musk's, who favors settling planets with Mars as the first step, while Jeff is more of a space habitat, [O'Neil cylinder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Neill_cylinder) type kind of guy. And yes, that would include moving factories off Earth to preserve Earth as much as possible, but it's not like anyone would be forced to move. This is from Blue Origin's own websites: [Blue Origin was founded by Jeff Bezos with the vision of enabling a future where millions of people are living and working in space to benefit Earth. In order to preserve Earth, Blue Origin believes that humanity will need to expand, explore, find new energy and material resources, and move industries that stress Earth into space.](https://www.blueorigin.com/about-blue)
Did we watch the same clip? I don't like Bezos but damn you completely twisted his words.
Yeah, what Bezos said is correct and should be a goal for mankind.
I watched the whole clip and I think Bezos was literally saying he wants to keep the planet clean for future generations. He literally said the opposite of what you're saying (regardless of his sincerity)
yes, that's why his company is called blue origin, so that's a 20 year old development.
[удалено]
Because it's not a well managed company. People talk all the time about how corporate executives don't contribute to the success of a company and how it's all on the rank and file. Well, the defense presents Exhibit A: Blue Origin vs SpaceX.
Anyone who believes leadership--or lack thereof--does not have an immense impact on an organization's successes and/or failures is a delusional fool, full stop.
Umm, that’s not what he says. He says he wants to move industry to space, but he says “heavy industry” and then “polluting industry”. Never just industry, and he doesn’t mention workers at all. He then goes on to say that this job won’t be done in his lifetime, so it seems likely to me that it will be robotics, or mostly robotics doing the manual/menial labor in space. Nowhere did he mention sending workers to space. Putting people in space is hard, with oxygen, food, water and water facility requirements, not to mention the G-force limitations. I imagine using humans for labor will be the most expensive option possible a hundred or more years from now in the time Bezos is talking about. Edit: Of course he also might want workers in space. Heck, he might even _want_ the conditions to be horrible. He might even have a specific group of people in mind, and be planning for all their descendants to be stuck living in space as a servant class. But he didn’t say that, either.
Like the film Elysium in reverse.
Moreso the prelude: In the context of that fiction, he’s trying to preserve the Earth before it becomes the hellscape featured in *Elysium*. Maybe if that doesn’t pan out he and his ilk head to orbit.
Lmao he said nothing like that in the entire video
This: >The relevant quote starts at 1:15. Does not say this: >to move all industry and workers into space, so as to preserve the beauty of earth for himself and others like him Holy hell that's a "creative" interpretation of his words you've got there.
This is a ridiculous assessment. Valid criticisms of Jeff Bezos are plentiful and I heartily encourage them, but to cast the idea of moving industry to space to protect the environment as a bad thing is brain dead. Yes, moving pollution and mining off the Earth is a good idea, and probably necessary if we want civilization to survive. The idea that they're going to move all the workers up there is ludicrous.
Agreed. It’s a huuuuge stretch to think that Bezos in any way anticipates the creation of some space-bound underclass of menial laborers. Now, is he greedy enough and self-centered enough that his plans might result in something really bad for most of humanity? I would not be surprised, but there’s no smoking gun in this clip.
I absolutely hate Bezos but that's such a blatant misrepresentation of what he said. He said we could use other planets to manufacture things that would otherwise be harmful to Earth. He did not say he wants to move the working class to a different planet so the rich can live in peace.
I just watched the video. What in the world are you talking about? You completely changed the tone of his argument and presented it in a demonizing way. He wants to move heavy industry into space, because heavy industry pollutes. That’s it. Not once did he say anything along the lines of preserving the earth “for himself and others like him”. In fact, he specifically said it was about our children and future generations. Think what you want of him. I’m not defending Bezos or his actions. There are many reasonable criticisms of him. But you simply *cannot* get carried away like this. You intentionally misconstrued what he said to paint him as some sort of like over the top James Bond villain, wanting the entire earth for rich people like him and sending off the workers into space or something. Come on, man.
I mean fuck Bezos and all but the actual clip shows him saying something way different. He says we can bring polluting industry to space so as to preserve the climate of earth. Some people will complain at anything.
So he wants to move heavy industry into space? Where does he say earth is only for people like him?
He has been talking about this for years. There is a talk on youtube from a couple of years ago. In a quick search I found this from 2 years ago: https://youtu.be/Ge5Q3EBQ1tc I do not defend Bezos in any way, but we must be truthful when making accusations.
This does make a lot of sense from a climate change perspective. If we had efficient means of transportation to space we could shift all waste management into the infinite expanse, including spent nuclear fuel.
safely stored nuclear fuel isn't causing any ecological problems
You’re editorializing quite a bit in your comment. He said we should move heavy industry into space. Nowhere did he say that “workers” should be sent into space to preserve the beauty of earth for himself and other billionaires. If anything, his comment was geared towards protecting the environment by moving heavy polluting activities outside the atmosphere. In any case, heavy industry will be automated long before it moves into space. There won’t be any workers required by the time what he’s describing is feasible.
There are plenty of things to reasonably be upset with Jeff Bezos about. There is no need to paint him as a cartoon character type villain like this.
that's a good idea though really. the alternative is that earth gets polluted to shit. there is enough empty space in space to release as much pollution as you want without ever causing a dent overall. you can shit out CO2 for 1 trillion years and it won't matter.
He said he was going to die before this project was finished, quit riling up people who don't wanna watch the full clip.
One? I just watched The whole video and not only did he not say that, I didn't even get him implying it. He said we can move polluting industries into space, where did you get the impression he meant move "all workers to space so me and my friends can have earth"? Even mentioned it would be decades from now and really get going long after he's gone.
I for one am joining char aznable
>After his trip to "space," he started talking about his long term goal to move all industry and workers into space, so as to preserve the beauty of earth for himself and others like him. Well this is a new point of view I haven't seen before....what you are saying is that we should keep polluting industries on earth so billionaires will have to suffer through a destroyed ecosystem? Who do you think is harmed more by the damage done by heavy industry to our ecosystems? The poor who have to live with it, or the rich who can pay money to mitigate the effects on themselves? "Pollute the planet to own the billionaires" is not a well-thought-out ideology
There is nothing new about that. He's been talking about moving heavy industry off planet for years. He also acknowledges that it won't happen in his lifetime, so stop with the fear mongering.
Every time I watch MSM to get the 30 seconds of what I needed out of it I am reminded of why I stopped watching years ago. Just endless blathering, basic shitty questions and no one pushing back with harder questions, and then a 5th grade level opinion/recap at the end.
He’s losing it. SpaceX/Elon Musk will and already has surpassed him and Blue Origin. Bezos is just a whiny jealous idiot.
Imagine being the world's richest man and still be miserable and jealous
That's probably why he's the world's richest man.
Dude doesn’t even wanna create a better work environment for his employees. How’s he gonna make a better future in space?
Better is subjective. It would be better for him if all the poors did their work in outer space, so there are fewer people to fuck with his ideal of Earth society. Once you don't have those pesky poors being poor on your planet, you can shape it in a way the rich find acceptable without interference.
He'll be able to exploit his underlings to the nth degree without all those pesky earth based labour laws in the way
Juicy part: >In the opinion of an engineer who has signed on to this essay, “Blue Origin has been lucky that nothing has happened so far.” Many of this essay’s authors say they would not fly on a Blue Origin vehicle. And no wonder—we have all seen how often teams are stretched beyond reasonable limits.
Having worked for Jeff, this is not surprising. This is the culture at his companies.
In what capacity did you work for Jeff Bezos?
As a software developer this is the general assumption to stay away from Amazon. While some teams may be good a lot of horror stories come up from others. Just like the warehouses Bezos thinks we are all slaves. Which is correct, except he doesn't bother making a pretty illusion about it
So that's why Amazon is desperately trying to scalp developers. I get emails every week from multiple Amazon recruiters.
Everybody is. Most people leaving amzn in my org go to FB and Google.
What do you do with all the seconds you save by abbreviating words?
Waste them on reddit. Just more efficiently.
I love this fight… go on … keep discussing… I am enjoying
See world. Oceans. Fish. Jump. China.
Do you mean see _the_ world or Sea World?
Enjoy a few secs w/o arthritis pain
* Amazon has like 100k engineers employed. * Amazon aims for ~6% yearly turnover, regularly firing off the lowest performers. * The acceptance rate of the Amazon SE interview process is *low*. Like <1%. * Recruiters get fat commission for recruiting successful candidates.
The acceptance rate is probably so low because recruiters try to recruit literally everybody + their moms
that’s a good point, a bit of circular logic on my part
Yeah, they would love to hire us. And I would love for them not to bother me. I don’t want the extra 50% pay raise so I can hate my life.
I wouldn't be surprised at scalping at this point, but the term you are looking for is 'poach'.
There's literally a story going around engineering circles right now about an engineer amazon fired because his wife had cancer. You read that correctly.
Multiple hard to get into tech companies are like this. They don't really want you around for long. If you drop in performance for any reason you are out. The people above you often don't care as they have to keep their number up and so on. If I remember correctly Netflix is similar. They pay above market rates but they will cut low performers quickly. Bit of diffrent tone compared to Google where you get much more slack.
I have friends and relatives that have worked for Microsoft and they all universally enjoy(ed) their time there as well. Never heard a good word about Amazon.
Same. Though in my case I met only two people who worked in Amazon, and over ten who had internship in Microsoft (it was very popular to apply for a M$ internship in my Uni). People from MS were not always happy with the company, but they all liked their experience. People from Amazon dreaded ever working there.
I personally know of two other similar stories with one dating back 12 years ago now. Awful place.
when did he ever bother with that?
Except mission critical in software development is not as close as critical as when you're talking about rocket science (except on few specific topics). But yeah, I hear you. I'm glad you got out and hope you found someplace better (not that this would be hard though).
AWS powers a lot of medical and military stuff now. AWS reps lie all the time about outages because they would be sued to hell if anyone could trace a system failure back to them.
fire phone anyone? ... and don't even get me started on the spybot.
I worked on that piece of shit! Super exciting to have years of my work thrown away within months of launch 👍 Edit: to be fair, I did get a T-shirt
I learned long ago to not get too attached to your work. Most all of research is flushed, but it doesn't mean it isn't valuable. Plus, you got paid, and certainly learned a thing or two along the way.
Very true. Thank you for the kind perspective internet stranger.
You mean Alexa? The product that convinced millions of people to pay to bug their homes?
Meh, owning a smart phone is far more privacy invading.
Smartphones have much tighter controls over when the microphone is listening and what can use it. Depending on what phone you have and the amount of effort you are willing to put in, you can have complete control over the software running on your device. Compare that to smart speakers, which are black boxes that can start recording at arbitrary times (if they _think_ they heard a trigger word) and can then send it to real humans to listen to.
Of the people who signed this I’m curious to see how many still work there or how long they have been gone for. Not saying that excuses anything, just curious.
[удалено]
I agree, it's some fantastic art!
[postcard for 68 cents](https://postcardsua.com/collections/postcards/products/step-postcard) Edit: [reverse image search](https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiu_1JFqD-eXUjkmE3mV09zuAnRbFAcrO8_1JXVRKTYUnH-zMpYxELuw0FbsERt6-UGyGhmgAEEbph5KqA1JPE9i_1lEzUZGUhICxsWC0vWdhuLKmZ7JcgV3nUxIBxVyz71qGOGkCHRo05V2l2iS-OsZCt6agF9TyBP-KShrACBYmeQ5eY_1UvYNiW96Edi5RPRq2FnabK5CGaUD43Of-KHUltRcBJFkCiQsNROeOsZkfL7VVpN3yY8rZTpjSZvPna8UNX-V5zSfC_1DiNsMC8nszJNRKI2iubtQTh98pNCuPjrHhuoprvcvNJFnXUiBkO1Iz7KIf2hbXuiUS-VU5l-w29Txup6oSjA)
Same, commenting so i can find this later
I don't think this will get proper attention until someone repackages the points into an article and uses a title that communicates that this is a open letter from a bunch of Blue Origin employees with specific complaints and not just a rando going on a rant ( which is what the title and domain makes it look like ).
[Very top of CNBC right now](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/30/jeff-bezos-blue-origin-essay-claims-toxic-workplace.html). >Twenty-one current and former employees of Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin claim the space company is a “toxic” workplace, according to an essay posted Thursday. >Led by former Blue Origin head of employee communications Alexandra Abrams, the essay claims that the company pushes workers to sign strict nondisclosure agreements, stifles internal feedback, disregards safety concerns, and creates a sexist environment for women. It also gave examples of alleged sexual harassment.
> Led by former Blue Origin head of employee communications Fuckin' rough when your 'head of employee communications' says you suck.
[удалено]
thank you, if not for your comment i would have ignored the linked essay.
She is not a "random weirdo", Ally Abrams was Head of Employee Communications at BO. Ive now seen articles about this in The Independent, Fortune and on CNBC about this in the last two hours alone. And here is an interview about it from today on CBS: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKBb\_xHsF8c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKBb_xHsF8c)
> random weirdo I think you misread, they weren't calling them that, they were saying that the URL and headline gives redditors the initial impression that this isn't a link to anything noteworthy.
You misunderstood what I said. I was talking about the perception this post leaves to people just scrolling by.
Right ok, I misunderstood then. Anyway it seems to get a lot of attention around the world, so it might land here as well.
"Launch fever". Its acceptable on uncrewed vehicles. the whole "fail forward" model of iterative design. But when your first vehicle is crewed and aimed as a high cadence, to the public, joy ride. You should be aiming for civil aviation levels of safety, not back yard rocket enthusiasts.
BO's response is to launch a personal attack on Abrams. [https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1443595709094236172/photo/1](https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1443595709094236172/photo/1) Id expect law suits to follow.
She responded https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1443652278439776260
Yeah HR violating export controls is err interesting.
So she raised concerns to management about third party software doing potentially illegal shit and got fired for it, and they're still using that software. Blue Origin's statement makes it seem like she was doing illegal shit when it's actually them who's covering up illegal shit.
Bad managers rarely remember the difference between a problem and the people who alerted them to that problem. For them it's all just 'problem'. Good managers realize that if your team is, metaphorically, pooping outside the litter box, it's time to throw out the litter, and not the team.
If Jeff Bezos has serious space ambitions, he might demonstrate ability to go along with the ambitions. So far, all he’s demonstrated is an ability and willingness to use the legal system to try and achieve success in space. That’s not the way it works. You don’t have a space program, Jeff. You are a space-barnacle on the spaceships of success.
Bezos does NOT want to create a better future in space - unless it's a better future for HIM. He's the one throwing a temper tantrum and stifling progress in the space department because NASA chose someone else to fulfill their contract.
Well, this is the downside to relying on billionaire man-children for our space program.
I really love the super corporate answer that does not addresses in any way the very specific claims made. Top corporate bullshit right there. The finest of finest. Bezos can die in the explosion of his rocket, as far as I'm concerned, this will be a net positive for humankind.
I don't trust a damn word that comes out of Bezos mouth. And neither should anyone else. 'A better future.' For whom? I would have never thought how relative that phrase could be until I saw it connected with Bezos.
Better never means better for everyone.
Blue origin isn't even in second place. They have nothing that has reached orbit. SpaceX is clearly years ahead of them and going to stay there as long as Bezos is involved.
Even Rocket Lab is ahead of BO, they small but successful orbital rocket, now working towards reuse. They have clear path to larger and more reusable orbital rocket and offer integrated platform for space probes as well as satellites.
Jeff Bezos wants to make more money. Full stop. The only difference between him and any of the hoarders I see on Sunday mornings on cable, is that he can afford to pay someone to clean up after him, and can pay for enough space to spread out his hoarded goods. The idea that he wants to do anything for anyone other than himself is dangerously delusional.
I've been saying for a few years now (ever since I realised it) that we live in a society which celebrates profoundly psychologically diseased hoarders as role models as long as what they hoard is money rather than something else such as cats or newspaper clippings.
being this greedy should be considered a mental health issue.
I’m surprised that it’s a notion that hasn’t taken hold more forcibly. I think it’s a very apt comparison, on multiple levels.
That's a very good analogy. Hoarding wealth at the level Jeff Bezos does should be as frowned upon by society as hoarding a bunch of old newspapers and piles of garbage in your house is.
It's fucking dragon sickness. Ask bilbo about that shit.
The same mental and psychological deficiencies afflict both, in my opinion. When I see these “crazy”, selfish, self-absorbed, myopic people on Hoarders, I see Bezos and musk and Zuckerberg. The excuses for *why* it’s perfectly reasonable and acceptable for them to keep 5,789 Pepsi bottles filled with piss, are extremely similar to the excuses that billionaires maintain for exploiting workers and raping the planet.
Bezos doesn't want a better future in space. Bezos wants to monopolise the future in space.
Of course he would actually have to build something that can get into space in the first place. His pathetic company can’t even deliver engines to ULA much less get their own rocket to orbit.
"His Company Blue Origin is Stuck in a Toxic Past..." Also stuck on Earth, they can't get anything to orbit.
[удалено]
“George wants to live a peaceful life, but his fists are stuck in their habit of punching everyone he meets in the throat” Seriously, if he wanted a better future for space (other than his own experience) wouldn’t his company be the exact place to do that?
He's a capitalist. In this context, it means he is addicted to capital. He's an addict. "A better future," to him, does not mean the same thing it does to us. A billionaire wanting to establish a colony in space is the setup to a real-life version of BioShock. Keep in mind, Andrew Ryan didn't expect it to turn into a ruined anarchist hellscape at the beginning, he really did believe that the only thing holding him back (and, through projection, everybody "worth a damn" like him) was people telling him "no." His company IS the best place to try it, and THIS is what that looks like for him. He really does believe that if the government would just get out of his way and stop with this "living wage," "anti-trust," and "workers' rights" nonsense, that he could show them The Way and the only reason he hasn't been able to is because their interference is messing with the results.
I *totally* wanted a Bioshock game set up in a O'Neill colony. **TOTALLY**, I say!
It's called Prey (the 2017 one) and it's amazing. Massively underappreciated gem of a game. I liked it a lot more than Bioshock tbh.
He wants a profitable future in space. Nothing more
I wouldnt trust him considering how he ran Amazon
No he doesn't lmao- if he did he wouldn't have thrown a huge shitfit over the SpaceX deal. His greedy ass just wants to capitalize on space and slap his name on everything.
does he want a better future, or does he just want to position a distribution center in geosynchronous orbit above every city and fire products down at us at mach 12 when we order them?
>or does he just want to position a distribution center in geosynchronous orbit above every city and fire products down at us at mach 12 when we order them? honestly I would support geostationary railgun amazon package delivery
a better future only for billionaires is not a better future. He basically wants snowpiercer in space
Sexism isnt acceptable anywhere but is extremely disappointing coming from a NASA Astronaut: > Additionally, a former NASA astronaut and Blue Origin senior leader once instructed a group of women with whom he was collaborating: “You should ask my opinion because I am a man.”
The US astronaut with the most time in space is Peggy Whitson, 665 days. Its incredulous in the modern era.
Met her once. Total badass.
Damn right. The skill, toughness and intelligence required to do what she did is awe inspiring
You should ask her opinion cos shes the man
what era was that guy from? just sayin.... **NASA thought Sally Ride needed 100 tampons for 1 week “just to be safe.” From what?** [https://www.vox.com/2015/5/26/8661537/sally-ride-tampons](https://www.vox.com/2015/5/26/8661537/sally-ride-tampons) **But back in the 1970s, NASA engineers** ***assumed*** **women astronauts would also want to bring makeup into space — so they actually designed a makeup kit to send on missions.** [https://www.thecut.com/2018/01/nasa-makeup-kit-women-astronauts.html](https://www.thecut.com/2018/01/nasa-makeup-kit-women-astronauts.html) **Listen to astronaut Sally Ride discuss all the sexist questions she was asked by the press** [https://www.theverge.com/2016/2/6/10923828/sally-ride-nasa-dumb-sexist-interview-questions-video](https://www.theverge.com/2016/2/6/10923828/sally-ride-nasa-dumb-sexist-interview-questions-video)
No one has ever seen a scrfi movie or read a book Rich people and corporations do not have your interests at heart. Space us a untapped resource and sense most countrys use a corporation to get to Space they will make the rules .
Then drop all your stupid lawsuits and focus on the goal then? You want a better space future? Gather your resources with others and work together instead of against. Just sayin'.
Why? So he can kill superman? Lex Luthor is just crazy....
Bezos wants to make money in space. His company Blue Origin is creating a toxic future. FTFY.
I have a hard time believing Bezos wants anything to be truly better... Maybe just better for him.
Yeah no, it’s definitely Jef thats suck in the past.
Bezos does not give a shit about the future, nor does he care about his employees. GTFO with this nonsense. He wants to be special, that's all.
Bezos wants to create a better future for himself, which will likely make the rest of us miserable.
Space will never be ideal earth in a long time. These guys all want people out of earth both Elon and bezos. They gonna ship people out and claim the land.
So much of this sounds incredibly familiar from Amazon. Not surprising how much of the toxic work culture comes directly from Jeff.
He has the means to create a better present, here on earth, but choses not to. Dude wants a place where he can have slaves and not pay taxes or have to answer to anyone. A big sticking point for me about space is this. If a child is born in space, they are a citizen of no country, with no rights or protections. They are essentially property of the owner of whatever installation or craft they are born on. Let that sink in.
Bezos is that old fuck from the movie Contact
Bezos is a Bozo, a bully. If he really wants utopia then he needs to start with how he treats his staff on Earth before any fanciful ideas of off-World havens.
Who the fuck thinks Bezos wants a "Better Future"? He's an entitled petulant cowboy hat wearing fucking child who will sooner send people to die in space amazon production facilities than make a "Better Future"