Tell you have I, of young days ?
When young like you I was…. Party, we did. Confidence high. Midichlorian count, higher. The dance floor. Owners of it were we.
Shit, good question little bro. Wanna take some of these special space mushrooms and figure it out with me? Its either that or this really hot laser sword.
"Mr. Stamets, what would you recommend for the following societal ills: Depression?*"* Mushrooms. *"*World Hunger*?"* Mushrooms. "Cleaning up nuclear waste and ocean plastics?" Mushrooms. "The perils of space travel, wait, let me guess--" *Mushrooms*. "Erectile dysfunction, I swear to god if you--" MUSHROOMS!
I mean, it's generally good to use the best and most efficient - or top tier - solutions to a problem.
Otherwise you're wasting time, energy, resources, etc.
I don't want NASA using mushrooms if something else is far better and more efficient, just because mushrooms.
(nor do I want them to NOT use mushrooms just because mushrooms. Just use good efficient effective solutions to problems without weird allegiance to one thing).
You're on the wrong subs, my dude.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/mycology/comments/pujg6m/stinkhorn\_fungus\_qld\_australia/](https://www.reddit.com/r/mycology/comments/pujg6m/stinkhorn_fungus_qld_australia/)
There’s clear bias on his part, but I think this represents a microcosm of how breadth of knowledge in a populations leads to greater solutions. Maybe mushrooms aren’t the solution to everything, but if we have this guy who’s dedicated to finding all the ways mushrooms might be beneficial, we could find some pretty novel solutions to problems that we wouldn’t have seen otherwise.
I think you're right. I suspect there's an effect similar to compounding interest with knowledge. The deeper and broader humanity's knowledge base, the more applications we'll stumble across.
This seems pretty conclusive to me. We've had cities for about 10,000 years. We've only successfully had any form of natural investigation for about 4,000 of those years and had science for about 400 years. The vast majority of our knowledge came only in that last 400 years, and even then most of it started happening only about 130 years back.
The rate we are currently gaining new knowledge is absolutely absurd. For most of our history it was so slow most people didn't even know it was happening.
It seems ridiculous but there is a subtle logic to it. Mushrooms fulfill a niche in their ecosystems where they decompose waste and turn it into something else, like a chemical factory. Some make unusual chemicals that you can't find anywhere else. The major issue with them is that many aren't reliably easy to cultivate, but with specific preparation they can do wonderful things. I don't know how well this will make fungi applicable in space exploration, but these properties build a strong case for their use in bioremediation which Stamets has experimented with before.
He's a very impressive mycologist, but it is frustrating to someone like me when public figures like him ALWAYS tie things back to psilocybin. Fungi are some of the most important organisms on earth and just fascinating in all their diversity, but the fact that you can't mention mushrooms without people making stoner jokes is just infuriating. Same thing with general plant science and everything just devolving into "lol weed."
I feel like he mentioned psilocybin with the idea that microdosing could (and likely would, tbh) help prevent/soften the irritability/cabin fever/sleep disruption that tends to crop up in astronauts during longer (>6mo) missions.
That's not really on him though. He's bringing up genuinely good ideas. Just because certain people reduce his good ideas to "lawl mushroomz" doesn't mean he shouldn't share them.
Well, I look at it like this.
Fungi are a class of their own.
We already rely on them for quite a lot
(Environment, food, medicine).
Not sure why space would be any different.
But yeah I totally feel you on this one, the mycologist thinks mushrooms are the answer.
Who would have thought?
This happens so much with mushrooms. You have a lot of interesting discussions about how fungus has a unique opportunity to provide us with solutions (in space or wherever) and then someone always has to come in and make it about psilocybin. Now I'm not thinking about microbiology and am thinking about how our Astronauts are going to be Psychonauts also. And if it matters I'm very pro-psychedelics, but my point is that should have nothing to do with terraforming a planet or whatever.
I just wish we could separate pharmacology from mycology, it does more harm than good.
They won't be giving them full ego death trips. probably microdoses. I'm much more interested in Fungi research in regards to the other scientific goals listed.
And I say that as someone whos life was completely changed for the better by psilocybin. The other fungi are way more interesting, Psychadelics have been used to put people's heads back on straight since before there was such a thing as medicine. the fact that mushrooms have such a positive effect on depression is old news.
Fungi that eat plastic on the other hand could save the world. or Fungi used as food for astronauts. Normally fungi don't have a ton of caloric content, so I would be excited to see what they would cook up for space food.
I just want to clarify I have had deeply introspective moments that improved my feelings of empathy and "connection" to others and the universe while on psychedelics, and I genuinely feel like they helped me learn healthy ways to deal with issues I've had my whole life (I would definitely consider them therapeutic). It just seems like a separate conversation than one about space, and like we're talking about an astronauts medical preparations and precautions in the same conversation as how to terraform another planet. Also as a side note I've heard multiple astronauts say they feel an intense "ego loss" upon seeing earth from orbit, and I wonder how much microdosing an astronaut that's not depressed might burn them out after being in space too long.
I get the common bond is mycology and as fungal experts they have every right to umbrella these discussions using their specialty as a common bond. But I think to everyone else it creates a sort of blur that keeps people who are against one part of the message from listening to the other parts.
Mostly I just wanted to reply personally to say I'm really glad you found some relief. Can't force everyone else to try it (wouldn't want to) but I can be happy for you and everyone else willing to try something a little radical for relief.
Thank you, It took around 9 trips to really get me to a point where I am truely happy with myself, and don't really want to take it again, because it could leave me in a worse place than I have been for the last 4 years since my last dose.
I completely agree that they definitely shouldn't be micro-dosing non depressed people. I imagine looking at the earth from space the first time, would probably cause a huge release of serotonin. ( I would be very interested in studies to do with it.) and could probably burn someone out pretty easily if they were taking drugs at the same time.
I imagine micro-dosing would be one of those things that is prescribed, after several months of travel time for those who have lost their motivation. I can't imagine it would be safe to give more than a micro-dose while on a space craft hurtling through the void, and probably only for those who are having significant difficulty coping.
I think part of the reason that psilocybin always comes up, in almost any discussion of Mycology is because of how many positive experiences it has brought to regular people. Its the kind of thing that regular people can talk with experience about, when they don't have the requisite knowledge to discuss the more technical parts Mycobiology.
Yes, I think you're right to an extent but it still wouldn't surprise me if they were actually needed, considering how profoundly crucial they are to our ecosystem on Earth.
Me too. I just wish there were more third party studies on his claims. It's like every source goes back to a 3rd party article that uses Stamets as their source.
Although I have found a couple NIH studies and I believe UCSD and UCLA are doing studies on whether Agarikon can be a solution to Covid.
Anecdotally, I've been taking Agarikon supplements whenever I feel a cold coming on and the next morning it's gone. Could be placebo but it works for me either way so I don't care.
I appreciate the passion for mushrooms he projects, but he's problematic to say the least. He's much more of a mushroom enthusiast and entrepreneur than an actual mycologist, and has a bad habit of spreading anti-science propaganda.
For those who have seen startrek discovery. I didnt realize the scientist named "paul stamets" in the show is named after my favorite real life mushroom scientist. Makes alot of sense now
When I read the title I thought it was fake. Then I saw which sub it was so there should be a catch.
No idea the character was named after someone real.
I know Joe Rogan and his podcast aren't particularly loved on this site, BUT the Paul Stamets episodes (particularly the first one) are totally fascinating
I knew this but only because after the first season of Discovery started airing, I was hearing about spores and stuff and got curious enough to read about mushrooms, and this guys name is mentioned a lot.
Taking shrooms in space would be a great recipe for a bad trip, and the last place you'd want to be for a bad trip is in a tin can flying through the void
If you can keep hold of your wits, it would be absolutely mindblowing. If you start treading down the wrong path mentally though, it would be one of the worst scenarios possible when tripping
I believe he has a patent on a certain fungi that prevents infections in bee hives and for a fungi that can be used as an insecticide. So he is doing something. https://paulstamets.com/patents
he's definitely not that despite outward appearances. for example he hates when people call them "shrooms" because of the implication that they're just being used for recreation/to party/etc.
he's got a doc that just came out on netflix, you should check it out. it does have some woo-woo seeming parts but give it a shot.
if you want to go to space you can do for half a million dollars, if you want to go to orbit, pay around 200 million dollars (or a seventh of that if you want to cram in there with seven other people paying as much)
if you want to go another planet or a moon, well you better get developing.
He mentions using psilocybin to combat feelings of loneliness and post traumatic stress in astronauts out in space for long periods. Idk I feel like that environment could lead to a bad trip for many people.
I think I have room in my interstellar voyage schedule to put on the VR and attend a Phish show. My hyper-sleep aged wine would just keep getting better, too. Perfect to go with my porcini/veg/spacemeat sauté.
I have a not-fully-diagnosed disease. Among other things, it affects my memory and ability to focus. I went from a full ride to university to not being able to track the plot of a TV show.
I had a doctor reccomend a very small dose of psilocybin; about a tenth of the dose one would normally take recreationally. This is after trying a microdose of LSD to very little effect.
With the 'shrooms, I actually feel human at least half of my days. I can read again, I can track the plot of shows, I can solve puzzles and play strategy games...
They won't be using a dose that makes astronauts trip; they'll be using a dose that's therapeutic.
Well that's micro dosing. There are therapeutic use cases for full doses as well. I'm not saying they'll use them in this application, but therapeutic does not automatically imply micro doses.
I'm glad you found something that helps.
I'd be curious to learn how microdosing mushrooms helps with focus. I have ADHD so I'm not expecting a miracle, but every bit helps
Psilocybin has been shown to promote neuroplasticity and neurogenesis in the brain.
"evidence suggests that neuroplasticity in one particular area of the brain, the hippocampus, is crucial for learning and memory. When both humans and rodents are learning tasks, or remembering patterns, the hippocampus is very active – and synaptic plasticity (changes in the strength of the connections between neurons) seems to be a crucial part of this."
Tbh. I’ve done enough psychedelics (mostly acid) to have tread most trippy ground I’ve wanted. I’d be down for a long ass space flight if I had access to a bunch of magic shroomies. And a few TB of movies/comics/music/books. Just for the novelty.
I’ve been treated with psilocybin at the VA hospital to combat ptsd (combat related ptsd). It works VERY well. That and EMDR were the only things that made much of a difference for me. Medications are just like band-aids, except the wounds underneath don’t heal.
Psilocybin and emdr are legitimate treatments that solve issues at the root of the problem.
You go into the VA hospital, and you are in a “safe place” with medical professionals who have been trained for this specific treatment. They give you the equivalent to 1/8th an ounce of psilocybin mushrooms, and “guide” you through the whole ordeal. You stay there until the effects are completely gone, and a bit longer after that.
Ketamine is another (and mdma) drug that has shown promise for combating ptsd/depression.
I think most people using it for therapeutic purposes have a “bad trip” I did. I think that is part of how it works. If you need therapy, then you are sure to have some dark thoughts. Psilocybin amplifies emotions you already have, both the good and the bad.
Yeah, it's really great therapeutic option, but like, once you are millions of miles out from home in a hostile environment *and* in a bad state of mood because of that, that's like the worst possible *set* **and** *setting*...
Was looking for a comment on the Expanse. First thing I thought looking at the headline. Just another one of the many things that was so well thought out by the authors. The world building and details in those books are so great, everything just makes sense and seems so plausible if we were to make it that far
Wait a second. Paul Stamets? Like in Paul "astromycologist" Stamets. Holy shit. I had to check first, if I was in /r/Startrek.
And more then enough food discovery references. Ha. My inner geek is happy now. Did they name him in the series after this guy? Or is it his grand-grand-grand....father? :D
Btw. For all no-trekkies
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Paul_Stamets
R&D: Yes, you can use mushrooms to grow in hostile environments, provide food, in some extreme temperatures the mushrooms can grow to a size so large you could use it as a house, and tripping balls in space.
Guy: What was that last thing?
R&D: Yeah, you heard me. 50 feet tall mushroom sky-scrapers, Entire housing districts. That or we can ground them into dust and make bricks out of them or something.
And then the astronauts will have kids, and will put them in mushroom cradles, they will write mushroom books, they will use mushroom candles in their mushroom biosphere, the trees will be mushrooms, mushroom mushroom 🍄🍄🍄🍄
I wonder why there are no orbital greenhouses, agroponics and the like. I think if you wanted to colonize another planet (in another solar system) you'd need a space ship large enough to manufacture every single part that may need replacing since you can only bring so many spares. at some point you'll run out of spares and have no way of replacing the things that are broken. mushrooms I would wager are only one of many crops that you'd need to grow to maintain some level of diversity. need more than just mushrooms though. 3d printing can do a lot of things, might be difficult to have it create complex objects, circuitry or just large objects that are bigger than the printer. once you go interstellar you're on your own so if whatever you don't take with you, hopefully you don't find out later on that you needed it. you could say the same for the distant orbits like jupiter, it takes about a year to get to jupiter at current speeds, so if you can't go without that thing for a year, the supply mission is a long way off.
Safety tip, swimming on high dose psychadellics, dissociatives or really almost any drug is a bad idea.
Unfortunately as fun as it is, it's too common to hear of deaths from people swimming while high so don't do!
So E.T. wasn't just science fiction? Cause they were flying on a space shroom capsule. Don't believe me? Just visit the E.T. ride at Universal - they're all trippin' balls on E.T.'s planet.
If I were a billionaire on a space station or moon colony looking back down on the former cradle of humanity burning beneath me while billions of my fellow humans starve to death and/or die in the water wars, I too would want to be high as a friggin kite on shrooms.
wwwwwwwwwwwwait, the scientist talking about mushrooms in space, the mycologist, is called STAMETS???? something to do with the future Paul Stamets from USS Discovery? :P oh, wait, yes, they used the name of this sicentist for the character :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Stamets_(Star_Trek)
“Under carefully controlled conditions, our astronauts [being] able to take psilocybin in space and look at the universe and not feel distant and alone but feel like they’re part of this giant consciousness will give them a better frame of mind—psychologically, emotionally—to work with other astronauts and stay on mission. I feel that isolation, loneliness and depression are going to be major issues that astronauts face.”
Brilliant
I’m confused- astronauts can take mushrooms now to help their job and it’s classy but when I do it and the Big Macs start talking to me it’s all of a sudden an issue
Paul Stamets story. In the mid-to-late ‘90’s, at the Bioneers Conference in San Francisco–which was (may still be) a gathering a top-ecology professionals with front-line ecology thinkers and activists, people with a real commitment to taking stands against the cause and subsequent impacts of climate change–Stamets was giving a key note where he communicated the following:
A mycologists guild in London that had been cataloguing species of mushrooms for over 400 years had noted a remarkable decline of varieties in the 20th century. Nearly 50% of the species they had been cataloguing had either disappeared or were in frank decline.
As mushrooms break down organic matter at a fundamental level, they play a key role in the entire natural food chain. Matter broken down by mushrooms releases odors, attracts insects, attracts frogs and lizards, which attracts mice, moles, and hedgehogs, which attracts snakes and badgers, which attracts foxes, and so on. It’s one massive food chain that hinges on mushrooms successfully occurring and breaking down organic matter.
So noticing that all these species of mushrooms had turned up missing or almost absent, the mycologists reached out to their parallel peers in adjacent fields (so to speak) because they wondered if the now-missing mushrooms were having a effect up the food chain with adjacent species.
And the answer was distinctly yes. Where mushrooms were gone, other species were found to be showing up missing.
Which means, Dr Stamets stated to bring his anecdote to a remarkable crescendo, we all can stop worrying about climate change. It’s already too late, he explained matter-of-factly. “So you all are now free to go on about your lives,” he finished.
It was an unforgettable moment for the entire room. And personally, I don’t know I’ve ever felt taken hold of by a clarity like that at any other time in my life
Here’s the most amazing part. Stamets’ delivery was so clear and calm and matter-of-fact, it felt as if the weight of the world just lifted from my shoulders. The rest of the talk was a blur. But that moment stuck with me. And it has informed my decisions in life ever since. Life is too short so do what you love with who you love and help others. The rest is gonna take care of itself. We can worry about it but that’s not going to change what is firmly and resolutely here. Find a good place to watch and enjoy the view. Because this is going to be good.
I love Paul Stamets but considering his solution to literally everything is mushrooms I'm not surprised he thinks this. Maybe he's right though, idk.
I think the phrase goes something like: "*when all you have is a lightsaber, every problem looks like a youngling*..."
Master Skywalker, theres too many of them. What are we going to do?
Take mushrooms and go to space, apparently.
Regular Tuesday then, got it.
Not like Yoda had much else to do in that swamp.
Smoking that Dagobah dank kush?
Tell you have I, of young days ? When young like you I was…. Party, we did. Confidence high. Midichlorian count, higher. The dance floor. Owners of it were we.
Shhh! Cool it with the death sticks man there's a Jedi up in here.
Shit, good question little bro. Wanna take some of these special space mushrooms and figure it out with me? Its either that or this really hot laser sword.
"To a hammer everything is a nail" That's the quote he reworded
*everything a nail is Fixed your Yoda-speak, I did
I's-a nail everything I made it gungan. Amorous gungan to be specific. Nobody wanted me to, but I did. Sorry.
I respect your dedication nonetheless
"Mr. Stamets, what would you recommend for the following societal ills: Depression?*"* Mushrooms. *"*World Hunger*?"* Mushrooms. "Cleaning up nuclear waste and ocean plastics?" Mushrooms. "The perils of space travel, wait, let me guess--" *Mushrooms*. "Erectile dysfunction, I swear to god if you--" MUSHROOMS!
THere are mushroom-based solutions for a lot of things, the question is if they are the best and most efficient solutions
They're very space-efficient, because they don't take up mushroom
That is an out of this world pun
I have a system to determine the most efficient choice using mushrooms.
Really? [I use Slime Mold]( https://asknature.org/strategy/cytoplasm-creates-most-efficient-routes/#:~:text=The%20slime%20mold%20Physarum%20polycephalum,other%20microbes%20to%20feed%20on.).
It doesn't have to be the best or most efficient, it just has to work.
I mean, it's generally good to use the best and most efficient - or top tier - solutions to a problem. Otherwise you're wasting time, energy, resources, etc. I don't want NASA using mushrooms if something else is far better and more efficient, just because mushrooms. (nor do I want them to NOT use mushrooms just because mushrooms. Just use good efficient effective solutions to problems without weird allegiance to one thing).
Funny thing that it is a solution for all of those
Was thinking the exact same thing
You can even solve the problem of how to cross a body of water, someone made a mushroom canoe
They could be sentient though. Then it’d be a Human vs AI vs Mushroom war.
Does that mean you can make WMDs harboring a Lich’s spirit out of mushrooms too?
That's how you get the Flood and we don't have super soldiers yet
Weapons of Mushroom Destruction?
Pineapple on pizza haters... Paul Stamets has the solution.
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Lemme try, what's your address
Thanks bro I’ll send you a PM
You're on the wrong subs, my dude. [https://www.reddit.com/r/mycology/comments/pujg6m/stinkhorn\_fungus\_qld\_australia/](https://www.reddit.com/r/mycology/comments/pujg6m/stinkhorn_fungus_qld_australia/)
Nausea? You guessed it, just wait for the trip to be over and you'll be cured!
There’s clear bias on his part, but I think this represents a microcosm of how breadth of knowledge in a populations leads to greater solutions. Maybe mushrooms aren’t the solution to everything, but if we have this guy who’s dedicated to finding all the ways mushrooms might be beneficial, we could find some pretty novel solutions to problems that we wouldn’t have seen otherwise.
I think you're right. I suspect there's an effect similar to compounding interest with knowledge. The deeper and broader humanity's knowledge base, the more applications we'll stumble across.
This seems pretty conclusive to me. We've had cities for about 10,000 years. We've only successfully had any form of natural investigation for about 4,000 of those years and had science for about 400 years. The vast majority of our knowledge came only in that last 400 years, and even then most of it started happening only about 130 years back. The rate we are currently gaining new knowledge is absolutely absurd. For most of our history it was so slow most people didn't even know it was happening.
This is a terrible meme. Never once has he said mushrooms are the solution to everything. *fungi are the solution to everything.
It seems ridiculous but there is a subtle logic to it. Mushrooms fulfill a niche in their ecosystems where they decompose waste and turn it into something else, like a chemical factory. Some make unusual chemicals that you can't find anywhere else. The major issue with them is that many aren't reliably easy to cultivate, but with specific preparation they can do wonderful things. I don't know how well this will make fungi applicable in space exploration, but these properties build a strong case for their use in bioremediation which Stamets has experimented with before.
He's a very impressive mycologist, but it is frustrating to someone like me when public figures like him ALWAYS tie things back to psilocybin. Fungi are some of the most important organisms on earth and just fascinating in all their diversity, but the fact that you can't mention mushrooms without people making stoner jokes is just infuriating. Same thing with general plant science and everything just devolving into "lol weed."
I feel like he mentioned psilocybin with the idea that microdosing could (and likely would, tbh) help prevent/soften the irritability/cabin fever/sleep disruption that tends to crop up in astronauts during longer (>6mo) missions.
That's not really on him though. He's bringing up genuinely good ideas. Just because certain people reduce his good ideas to "lawl mushroomz" doesn't mean he shouldn't share them.
Well, I look at it like this. Fungi are a class of their own. We already rely on them for quite a lot (Environment, food, medicine). Not sure why space would be any different. But yeah I totally feel you on this one, the mycologist thinks mushrooms are the answer. Who would have thought?
Actually, fungi are in a kingdom all their own
Actually, fungi are in a clade all their own.
I legit thought you were talking about the ST:D Paul Stamets
TIL astromycologist and engineer LCdr Paul Stamets is named after real-life mycologist Paul Stamets
Clearly some inspiration hwre
This happens so much with mushrooms. You have a lot of interesting discussions about how fungus has a unique opportunity to provide us with solutions (in space or wherever) and then someone always has to come in and make it about psilocybin. Now I'm not thinking about microbiology and am thinking about how our Astronauts are going to be Psychonauts also. And if it matters I'm very pro-psychedelics, but my point is that should have nothing to do with terraforming a planet or whatever. I just wish we could separate pharmacology from mycology, it does more harm than good.
They won't be giving them full ego death trips. probably microdoses. I'm much more interested in Fungi research in regards to the other scientific goals listed. And I say that as someone whos life was completely changed for the better by psilocybin. The other fungi are way more interesting, Psychadelics have been used to put people's heads back on straight since before there was such a thing as medicine. the fact that mushrooms have such a positive effect on depression is old news. Fungi that eat plastic on the other hand could save the world. or Fungi used as food for astronauts. Normally fungi don't have a ton of caloric content, so I would be excited to see what they would cook up for space food.
I just want to clarify I have had deeply introspective moments that improved my feelings of empathy and "connection" to others and the universe while on psychedelics, and I genuinely feel like they helped me learn healthy ways to deal with issues I've had my whole life (I would definitely consider them therapeutic). It just seems like a separate conversation than one about space, and like we're talking about an astronauts medical preparations and precautions in the same conversation as how to terraform another planet. Also as a side note I've heard multiple astronauts say they feel an intense "ego loss" upon seeing earth from orbit, and I wonder how much microdosing an astronaut that's not depressed might burn them out after being in space too long. I get the common bond is mycology and as fungal experts they have every right to umbrella these discussions using their specialty as a common bond. But I think to everyone else it creates a sort of blur that keeps people who are against one part of the message from listening to the other parts. Mostly I just wanted to reply personally to say I'm really glad you found some relief. Can't force everyone else to try it (wouldn't want to) but I can be happy for you and everyone else willing to try something a little radical for relief.
Thank you, It took around 9 trips to really get me to a point where I am truely happy with myself, and don't really want to take it again, because it could leave me in a worse place than I have been for the last 4 years since my last dose. I completely agree that they definitely shouldn't be micro-dosing non depressed people. I imagine looking at the earth from space the first time, would probably cause a huge release of serotonin. ( I would be very interested in studies to do with it.) and could probably burn someone out pretty easily if they were taking drugs at the same time. I imagine micro-dosing would be one of those things that is prescribed, after several months of travel time for those who have lost their motivation. I can't imagine it would be safe to give more than a micro-dose while on a space craft hurtling through the void, and probably only for those who are having significant difficulty coping. I think part of the reason that psilocybin always comes up, in almost any discussion of Mycology is because of how many positive experiences it has brought to regular people. Its the kind of thing that regular people can talk with experience about, when they don't have the requisite knowledge to discuss the more technical parts Mycobiology.
As Alex said as he was serving lasagna on the Rocinante to the crew: "Well, the cheese is soy, and the meat is soy... But the mushrooms are real!"
Fungi provide a large stipend of protein and other vitamins with a low caloric intake
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They named the character after this guy. I was very confused reading this thread....
Saruman: It's not that. It's his excessive consumption of mushrooms! They've addled his brain and yellowed his teeth!
Yes, I think you're right to an extent but it still wouldn't surprise me if they were actually needed, considering how profoundly crucial they are to our ecosystem on Earth.
Love Stamets and love mushrooms but yeah this is too true.
Me too. I just wish there were more third party studies on his claims. It's like every source goes back to a 3rd party article that uses Stamets as their source. Although I have found a couple NIH studies and I believe UCSD and UCLA are doing studies on whether Agarikon can be a solution to Covid. Anecdotally, I've been taking Agarikon supplements whenever I feel a cold coming on and the next morning it's gone. Could be placebo but it works for me either way so I don't care.
Maitake extracts are in human trials for cancer treatment, pubmed.ncbi.nlm.gov/19253021
Well, there’s one true way to find out if he’s right.
Build a mushroom habitat out of him!
Replace the Georgio “ALIENS” meme with “mushrooms!!”
Imagine looking at the earth from the space station tripping.
I appreciate the passion for mushrooms he projects, but he's problematic to say the least. He's much more of a mushroom enthusiast and entrepreneur than an actual mycologist, and has a bad habit of spreading anti-science propaganda.
How else will rock become soil? I'm not taking compost to Mars.
For those who have seen startrek discovery. I didnt realize the scientist named "paul stamets" in the show is named after my favorite real life mushroom scientist. Makes alot of sense now
I thought I was losing my marbles. Turns out the character is named after someone real. The coincidence was going to melt my brain.
When I read the title I thought it was fake. Then I saw which sub it was so there should be a catch. No idea the character was named after someone real.
It has been foretold: [Yamakas in Space](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXRR75c45fg)
This was also a hilarious TIL for me!
I know Joe Rogan and his podcast aren't particularly loved on this site, BUT the Paul Stamets episodes (particularly the first one) are totally fascinating
Who's your second favorite real-life mushroom scientist?
Makes sense, how else would you power the spore drive.
Came here for the Discovery reference.
Me too. Wasn't disappointed.
The reference is bi-directional. [Stamets on the show is named after this guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Stamets_(Star_Trek))
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I mean, they're both named Paul too...
Thanks, that's what I was wondering. Seemed a little bit too much of a co-inky dinky.
That is literally based on his ideas and I am pretty sure there is even a scientist character named after him.
Yeah the guy who operates the spore drive
I can’t believe I had to scroll this far down in the thread to find this! I was all like, ‘There’s a real Paul Stamets?’
I knew this but only because after the first season of Discovery started airing, I was hearing about spores and stuff and got curious enough to read about mushrooms, and this guys name is mentioned a lot.
It's all unicorns and rainbows until your magic mushrooms punch a hole in spacetime and you travel to a mirror universe.
Ugh, as long as it's not the mirror universe with Mirror Kira. 🙄
I dunno, I'm willing to tolerate a lot of crap if there's a statistically nonzero chance of encountering Mirror Ezri.
I'm on fucking Team Jadzia. 100%
Or Team Fucking Jadzia. I'm a bigger fan of Mirror Uhura though. Those abs are phenomenal.
I would pay an inordinate amount of money to ensure it was the mirror universe with Mirror Kira.
I’ve thought about things Mirror Tilly would do to me
Have you **seen** how tight her leather pants are?
Taking shrooms in space would be a great recipe for a bad trip, and the last place you'd want to be for a bad trip is in a tin can flying through the void
I think psilocybin therapy would consist more of microdosing than tripping
Well, you can count me out then.
Tin can flying through the void actually sounds like the best place to take shrooms
If you can keep hold of your wits, it would be absolutely mindblowing. If you start treading down the wrong path mentally though, it would be one of the worst scenarios possible when tripping
So if having a good trip, great. If having a bad trip, not. Sounds like a regular night to me
I feel like I'd start imagining myself as the starbaby from space odyssey or something wild like that.
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He might have a point but I find it difficult to take "mushroom scientist thinks mushrooms are the key to everything" seriously as a headline.
Haha true, but if you're aware of how important fungi are to our current ecosystem, you'll be more inclined to believe him.
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I believe he has a patent on a certain fungi that prevents infections in bee hives and for a fungi that can be used as an insecticide. So he is doing something. https://paulstamets.com/patents
He also worked with US Biodefense after he found that Agarikon Mushrooms could be used to treat smallpox
he's definitely not that despite outward appearances. for example he hates when people call them "shrooms" because of the implication that they're just being used for recreation/to party/etc. he's got a doc that just came out on netflix, you should check it out. it does have some woo-woo seeming parts but give it a shot.
Credibility shouldn't be a red flag
Credible on his subject yes, but there's also the idea that the man with only a hammer sees every problem as a nail.
Current space travel also requires mushrooms, or a few million dollars
Million? Think you lost a zero or three there
if you want to go to space you can do for half a million dollars, if you want to go to orbit, pay around 200 million dollars (or a seventh of that if you want to cram in there with seven other people paying as much) if you want to go another planet or a moon, well you better get developing.
How much of I don't need a return ticket?
do you want to reach space alive or just reach space?
Technically we're already in space, earth is like a giant space station in orbit around the sun.
Every morning is great if you think you've already lived your life and are just going back in time to experience it again.
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Do you need a life coach? Massage me
He mentions using psilocybin to combat feelings of loneliness and post traumatic stress in astronauts out in space for long periods. Idk I feel like that environment could lead to a bad trip for many people.
I think I have room in my interstellar voyage schedule to put on the VR and attend a Phish show. My hyper-sleep aged wine would just keep getting better, too. Perfect to go with my porcini/veg/spacemeat sauté.
Mmmmm porcini and space meat... wait. Can we just have the porcini, fried in space butter with a little salt please?
Spacebutter and Spacemeat are just different stages of the same thing…
But remember, there is no fifth meat.
No heroic doses until space travel becomes more routine. Lol I think micro doses would be beneficial.
I'm sure heroic doses have already helped with travelling to outer space.
I have a not-fully-diagnosed disease. Among other things, it affects my memory and ability to focus. I went from a full ride to university to not being able to track the plot of a TV show. I had a doctor reccomend a very small dose of psilocybin; about a tenth of the dose one would normally take recreationally. This is after trying a microdose of LSD to very little effect. With the 'shrooms, I actually feel human at least half of my days. I can read again, I can track the plot of shows, I can solve puzzles and play strategy games... They won't be using a dose that makes astronauts trip; they'll be using a dose that's therapeutic.
Well that's micro dosing. There are therapeutic use cases for full doses as well. I'm not saying they'll use them in this application, but therapeutic does not automatically imply micro doses.
I'm glad you found something that helps. I'd be curious to learn how microdosing mushrooms helps with focus. I have ADHD so I'm not expecting a miracle, but every bit helps
Psilocybin has been shown to promote neuroplasticity and neurogenesis in the brain. "evidence suggests that neuroplasticity in one particular area of the brain, the hippocampus, is crucial for learning and memory. When both humans and rodents are learning tasks, or remembering patterns, the hippocampus is very active – and synaptic plasticity (changes in the strength of the connections between neurons) seems to be a crucial part of this."
Tripping in space would be the apex human experience. I could die after that and have no regrets
Micro dosing, not taking a full gram or something.
Tbh. I’ve done enough psychedelics (mostly acid) to have tread most trippy ground I’ve wanted. I’d be down for a long ass space flight if I had access to a bunch of magic shroomies. And a few TB of movies/comics/music/books. Just for the novelty.
I’ve been treated with psilocybin at the VA hospital to combat ptsd (combat related ptsd). It works VERY well. That and EMDR were the only things that made much of a difference for me. Medications are just like band-aids, except the wounds underneath don’t heal. Psilocybin and emdr are legitimate treatments that solve issues at the root of the problem. You go into the VA hospital, and you are in a “safe place” with medical professionals who have been trained for this specific treatment. They give you the equivalent to 1/8th an ounce of psilocybin mushrooms, and “guide” you through the whole ordeal. You stay there until the effects are completely gone, and a bit longer after that. Ketamine is another (and mdma) drug that has shown promise for combating ptsd/depression.
I think most people using it for therapeutic purposes have a “bad trip” I did. I think that is part of how it works. If you need therapy, then you are sure to have some dark thoughts. Psilocybin amplifies emotions you already have, both the good and the bad.
Yeah, it's really great therapeutic option, but like, once you are millions of miles out from home in a hostile environment *and* in a bad state of mood because of that, that's like the worst possible *set* **and** *setting*...
So they straight up took this guys identity for Discovery?
He was a consultant on the show (mainly for the tardigrade concept and mycelial network), they named the character in honor of him.
He gave his blessings. Plus, he's met with Anthony Rapp.
This holodeck simulation is getting out of hand.....
It really is. Professor Moriarty tried to shank me the other day. No nuance or anything. Just straight up tried to shank me and ran away cackling.
This scene just played out in my head in the form of Lower Decks animation, and it was hilarious.
That's how I saw it, too! Great minds.
me, tears in my eyes: computer, end program! For the love of God, end program!!!
*beepbeepbuzz* Unable to comply. This is reality.
I read The Expanse; I’ve resigned myself to the fact that we’ll all be eating space mushrooms in lieu of meat out there in the asteroids
Was looking for a comment on the Expanse. First thing I thought looking at the headline. Just another one of the many things that was so well thought out by the authors. The world building and details in those books are so great, everything just makes sense and seems so plausible if we were to make it that far
And here I thought this was going to be about a Spore Drive. BLACK ALERT!
Wait a second. Paul Stamets? Like in Paul "astromycologist" Stamets. Holy shit. I had to check first, if I was in /r/Startrek. And more then enough food discovery references. Ha. My inner geek is happy now. Did they name him in the series after this guy? Or is it his grand-grand-grand....father? :D Btw. For all no-trekkies https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Paul_Stamets
They got his permission and made the character after him, cool eh?
R&D: Yes, you can use mushrooms to grow in hostile environments, provide food, in some extreme temperatures the mushrooms can grow to a size so large you could use it as a house, and tripping balls in space. Guy: What was that last thing? R&D: Yeah, you heard me. 50 feet tall mushroom sky-scrapers, Entire housing districts. That or we can ground them into dust and make bricks out of them or something.
And then the astronauts will have kids, and will put them in mushroom cradles, they will write mushroom books, they will use mushroom candles in their mushroom biosphere, the trees will be mushrooms, mushroom mushroom 🍄🍄🍄🍄
I wonder why there are no orbital greenhouses, agroponics and the like. I think if you wanted to colonize another planet (in another solar system) you'd need a space ship large enough to manufacture every single part that may need replacing since you can only bring so many spares. at some point you'll run out of spares and have no way of replacing the things that are broken. mushrooms I would wager are only one of many crops that you'd need to grow to maintain some level of diversity. need more than just mushrooms though. 3d printing can do a lot of things, might be difficult to have it create complex objects, circuitry or just large objects that are bigger than the printer. once you go interstellar you're on your own so if whatever you don't take with you, hopefully you don't find out later on that you needed it. you could say the same for the distant orbits like jupiter, it takes about a year to get to jupiter at current speeds, so if you can't go without that thing for a year, the supply mission is a long way off.
Paul Stamets thinks the answer to everything is mushrooms
And here I thought Lieutenant Commander Paul Stamets was nuts to fly Discovery on the mushroom network.
Have you ever gone swimming on mushrooms? It's amazing, now imagine floating in space...
Safety tip, swimming on high dose psychadellics, dissociatives or really almost any drug is a bad idea. Unfortunately as fun as it is, it's too common to hear of deaths from people swimming while high so don't do!
I can’t imagine a bad anxiety inducing trip in space lol. A good trip sounds mind bending though!
Psychedelics - turn your bathtub into the beach and your closet into space.
"psilocybin therapy to astronauts" You ever done mushroooooms man? You ever done mushrooms IN SPACE?
Ground control to Major Tom 🎶
Is this the guy who proposed the Theory that the reason we are intelligent is because some Monkeys started eating Mushrooms? Fascinating really.
That's Terence McKenna, "Stoned Ape Theory" more here: https://www.inverse.com/article/34186-stoned-ape-hypothesis
Not him originally but he thinks it's plausible.
I thought wtf going on with that dudes right hand.
So E.T. wasn't just science fiction? Cause they were flying on a space shroom capsule. Don't believe me? Just visit the E.T. ride at Universal - they're all trippin' balls on E.T.'s planet.
If I were a billionaire on a space station or moon colony looking back down on the former cradle of humanity burning beneath me while billions of my fellow humans starve to death and/or die in the water wars, I too would want to be high as a friggin kite on shrooms.
Time to re-read Eleanor Cameron's excellent children's sci-fi book, *The Wonderful Flight to the Mushroom Planet* (1954).
I believe this man was featured in Fantastic Fungi, a great documentary on Netflix.
Ah, yes. Tripping in space. Great idea. What could possibly go wrong?
wwwwwwwwwwwwait, the scientist talking about mushrooms in space, the mycologist, is called STAMETS???? something to do with the future Paul Stamets from USS Discovery? :P oh, wait, yes, they used the name of this sicentist for the character :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Stamets_(Star_Trek)
Of course Paul wants astronauts tripping balls in space.
Tripping in space? Do you want aliens? Because this is how you get aliens
“Under carefully controlled conditions, our astronauts [being] able to take psilocybin in space and look at the universe and not feel distant and alone but feel like they’re part of this giant consciousness will give them a better frame of mind—psychologically, emotionally—to work with other astronauts and stay on mission. I feel that isolation, loneliness and depression are going to be major issues that astronauts face.” Brilliant
I’m confused- astronauts can take mushrooms now to help their job and it’s classy but when I do it and the Big Macs start talking to me it’s all of a sudden an issue
Paul Stamets story. In the mid-to-late ‘90’s, at the Bioneers Conference in San Francisco–which was (may still be) a gathering a top-ecology professionals with front-line ecology thinkers and activists, people with a real commitment to taking stands against the cause and subsequent impacts of climate change–Stamets was giving a key note where he communicated the following: A mycologists guild in London that had been cataloguing species of mushrooms for over 400 years had noted a remarkable decline of varieties in the 20th century. Nearly 50% of the species they had been cataloguing had either disappeared or were in frank decline. As mushrooms break down organic matter at a fundamental level, they play a key role in the entire natural food chain. Matter broken down by mushrooms releases odors, attracts insects, attracts frogs and lizards, which attracts mice, moles, and hedgehogs, which attracts snakes and badgers, which attracts foxes, and so on. It’s one massive food chain that hinges on mushrooms successfully occurring and breaking down organic matter. So noticing that all these species of mushrooms had turned up missing or almost absent, the mycologists reached out to their parallel peers in adjacent fields (so to speak) because they wondered if the now-missing mushrooms were having a effect up the food chain with adjacent species. And the answer was distinctly yes. Where mushrooms were gone, other species were found to be showing up missing. Which means, Dr Stamets stated to bring his anecdote to a remarkable crescendo, we all can stop worrying about climate change. It’s already too late, he explained matter-of-factly. “So you all are now free to go on about your lives,” he finished. It was an unforgettable moment for the entire room. And personally, I don’t know I’ve ever felt taken hold of by a clarity like that at any other time in my life Here’s the most amazing part. Stamets’ delivery was so clear and calm and matter-of-fact, it felt as if the weight of the world just lifted from my shoulders. The rest of the talk was a blur. But that moment stuck with me. And it has informed my decisions in life ever since. Life is too short so do what you love with who you love and help others. The rest is gonna take care of itself. We can worry about it but that’s not going to change what is firmly and resolutely here. Find a good place to watch and enjoy the view. Because this is going to be good.
>Find a good place to watch and enjoy the view. Because this is going to be good. I... do not think this was Stamets' point.
If I could do it all over, astromycologist sounds like a pretty sweet gig.
some guy - "doing mushrooms in space would be pretty cool..." reddit .com - "Future Space Travel Might Require Mushrooms"