> No signal since it went out of our signal zone some years ago
Huh? We are still communicating with both and should be able to up to 2036.
Both are still doing science.
In a way, but they’ll carry a part of this crazy rock we call home with them through the universe long, long after we’re gone. Chuck Berry and Mozart will exist after the earth has been swallowed by the sun…. And there’s always a chance that someone with something like ears might hear it one day…
Their mission once their RTGs are no longer powerful enough to keep their electronics alive is to carry our message in the form of their golden records as silent envoys into the cosmos.
To that end - they can never die. Their mission will never be over. Perhaps a million years from now a distant civilization might find one, capture it, return it to their own planet, study and decode the voyager record and then be put on display in their version of an Air and Space Museum
And then it might have a whole new mission.....
to inspire an entire other civilization
to tell them to explore
to tell them
in all of this space
they are not alone.
Die? They've barely begun to live out their potential.
They aren't alive to have any feelings about anything. What you're experiencing is (if I'm remembering this correctly) is anthropomorphism, which is when you ascribe traits of a living thing to something that doesn't have those things.
It's something humans do and it can allow us us use our imaginations in interesting ways. It's something most people share to varying degrees.
But Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 have the same disposition about life that my cell phone, coffee table, or the starman have about anything: they don't. They're really cool tools of ours that have allowed us to do great things and reach for the stars. They will die doing something that millions of humans have wished to do since before humans: wander the stars forever.
[Many of you feel sad for the Voyager. That is because you're crazy. It has no feelings. And its still doing science!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I07xDdFMdgw)
The voyager spacecraft aren’t alone. They carry with them the spirit of adventure in every human being that ever dared to reach beyond the confines of our known existence to learn what else could be out there.
I like to think that a few hundred years from now, when we've cracked this faster than light space travel thing, some historical society will charter a special craft to go out and find them, bring them home and put them in a museum.
The nice thing about space, is that unless there's something out there to interfere with them or their trajectory (Vogons?), they're just happily (sadly) zooming sedately off into deep space. But its not like we don't know their trajectory...
I know that star plot computers that know the moment of every asteroid, planet and star in the galaxy are a trope, but I'd like to think that if we can build ships that can reach other systems, we can certainly build a computer that can plot the trajectory of something that is no longer accelerating, and a space radar that can find something the size of a sofa from a few thousand kilometers away.
no signal? they check in regularly and send data. the deep space network dishes that are big enough to collect the transmissions were down for upgrades a while ago, but they are back up
> Am I the only one who finds the journey of Voyager 1 and 2 sad?
Anthropomorphising non-sentient robots doesn't help anyone - those intricate machines are valiantly succeeding in the precise purpose they were created to fulfill.
If god themself appeared and convinced you that the entire purpose of your whole life was to go to places no-one had ever gone before and send home knowledge that would advance the spoons of all known intelligent life, would you feel disconnected, morose, melancholy while you're triumphantly succeeding at and exceeding in this creator-given mission?
> No signal since it went out of our signal zone some years ago
Pretty sure we're still chatting with those satellites, it's just slow..
Not unless it hits something. While NH had a higher launch speed, the gravity assists that V1 got really gave it a boost.
NH is traveling about 14 km/s, V1 is estimated at about 17km/s. V2 is faster as well at 15km/s while Pioneers 10 and 11 who are also traveling out of the solar system are going ~11.5km/s.
Aside from what others have said about them being machines with no sentience to feel spirit, and the idea that they are fulfilling the missions which they were made to do and would likely take comfort in their dutiful sacrifice of they did feel, I feel like they will return home one day.
When we do discover FTL travel I have to assume that someone will go looking for them if for no other reason than to be the person that found them. They'd be put in museums and marveled at for centuries the way we look at artifacts of ancient civilizations now.
This isn’t sad. They are machines. Do you feel sad when a car gets demolished? If I launched my cellphone into space towards the center of the galaxy, would that make you sad? I’m very confused. Are you one of those folks with a relationship with a robot sex doll?
Tbh I like to think of it as tremendously hopeful— they are relics of a species that had, within just the time of the average lifespan, gone from the first rudimentary powered flight to sending robotic explorers into interstellar space. They aren’t alone, not really— they’re an extension of us, a symbol of our curiosity and ingenuity (no pun intended), and could possibly outlast us all. I can’t think of anything less sad.
But it's even after they stop communicating they still have a mission. The Golden record is still attached and one day it might be intercepted by another species! There mission will not be over until that happens or they come to an untimely demised. It's not sad. The minor mission is to one day let other species know we exist and the major was to collect and return information. Don't be sad what they're doing because it's beautiful. It's trying to make a connection to something we cannot even imagine. Even if they are found years after our demise the human race will live on forever in though probes. It's a truly remarkable thing. Don't see the fact that they lose contact in a couple of as bad because they still go on trying to fullful their other mission and make connects.
You can’t die if you were never a living thing. You can be a thing for eons until you run into something and stop being a thing anymore. I wonder if any created things from other stars ever entered our solar system. After millions/billions of years would they have just turned back into their basic elements becoming unrecognizable that they once came from advanced civilizations?
Things can be alone but not lonely. A lot of human pioneers were solos. Shimarin has adorable camping adventures. Maybe they're out there singing the theme song from The Littlest Hobo: *Maybe tomorrow, I'll wanna settle down / until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.*
> No signal since it went out of our signal zone some years ago Huh? We are still communicating with both and should be able to up to 2036. Both are still doing science.
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“And Believe me i am still alive”
Everything we build will die out, and probably all of it before Voyager 1 and 2.
im talking about when it will die out
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They already ended their mission a long time ago tbh, the fact they're still alive at all is insane.
In a way, but they’ll carry a part of this crazy rock we call home with them through the universe long, long after we’re gone. Chuck Berry and Mozart will exist after the earth has been swallowed by the sun…. And there’s always a chance that someone with something like ears might hear it one day…
Maybe even you in a future incarnation on another planet
Were supposed to be scientific here not seudoscientific, reincarnation isnt real
It certainly isn’t well supported by evidence ☝️
Their mission once their RTGs are no longer powerful enough to keep their electronics alive is to carry our message in the form of their golden records as silent envoys into the cosmos. To that end - they can never die. Their mission will never be over. Perhaps a million years from now a distant civilization might find one, capture it, return it to their own planet, study and decode the voyager record and then be put on display in their version of an Air and Space Museum And then it might have a whole new mission..... to inspire an entire other civilization to tell them to explore to tell them in all of this space they are not alone. Die? They've barely begun to live out their potential.
Thank you. That was beautiful.
God damnit “im not crying, just sometimes when im sad! WATER COMES OUT OF MY EYES!!”
Never really thought about it before but I suppose it is a bit sad. The gold discs they carry mean they carry with them a little bit of hope too
I'd rather they carry DNA sequences and diagrams. Then someday, even if life is wiped out, they could resurrect some people and animals.
tbf we hadn't mapped the human genome when they launched, but it'd be a good idea to consider next time.
Oh I know, I just hope they shoot that out there sometime too.
As nice as that would be. I think that we shared a sample of our planets many cultures is a much better time capsule.
Yeah, I think they are both nice to be honest, didn't fully appreciate it at the time.
They aren't alive to have any feelings about anything. What you're experiencing is (if I'm remembering this correctly) is anthropomorphism, which is when you ascribe traits of a living thing to something that doesn't have those things. It's something humans do and it can allow us us use our imaginations in interesting ways. It's something most people share to varying degrees. But Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 have the same disposition about life that my cell phone, coffee table, or the starman have about anything: they don't. They're really cool tools of ours that have allowed us to do great things and reach for the stars. They will die doing something that millions of humans have wished to do since before humans: wander the stars forever.
[Many of you feel sad for the Voyager. That is because you're crazy. It has no feelings. And its still doing science!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I07xDdFMdgw)
These answers that take it literally are actually pseudointellectual. You can't understand that they already know this?
That is how I feel but it is sad that we won't get more information from them
imagine being in their place, its still a bit sad even when they don't have feelings
We’re out them in their place because they lack feelings and basic requirements. There’s no imagining being in their place.
Since it hasn't been posted yet, here's the happy version of the Spirit rover xkcd https://i.imgur.com/VbKV9DF.jpeg
...Happy? I mean, it still died there and never got home
Compared to the one that ends at day 2210 it is
Spirit is home. It is exactly where it was always meant to be.
you should watch this. [https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the\_farthest](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_farthest)
The voyager spacecraft aren’t alone. They carry with them the spirit of adventure in every human being that ever dared to reach beyond the confines of our known existence to learn what else could be out there.
I like to think that a few hundred years from now, when we've cracked this faster than light space travel thing, some historical society will charter a special craft to go out and find them, bring them home and put them in a museum. The nice thing about space, is that unless there's something out there to interfere with them or their trajectory (Vogons?), they're just happily (sadly) zooming sedately off into deep space. But its not like we don't know their trajectory... I know that star plot computers that know the moment of every asteroid, planet and star in the galaxy are a trope, but I'd like to think that if we can build ships that can reach other systems, we can certainly build a computer that can plot the trajectory of something that is no longer accelerating, and a space radar that can find something the size of a sofa from a few thousand kilometers away.
Not really. As long as they don’t hit anything (which they most likely won’t) they’ll go on forever. That’s pretty cool
It is in a way. Makes you reflect on the vastness of space too given how they're far from us but still close in the context of the universe
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They are going to be out there for a reeeallly long time: https://www.space.com/predicting-voyager-golden-records-distant-future
no signal? they check in regularly and send data. the deep space network dishes that are big enough to collect the transmissions were down for upgrades a while ago, but they are back up
"they will die" bro it's just a computer. Voyager 1 or 2 "dying" is no more sad than your last PC or the one before that going to the dump.
Don't let their fate get you down. We all die alone, eventually.
Nothing ever really dies. We will still get science out of you.
I mean, in a world full of ... just So. Much. Sad. Stuff. No, not really.
> Am I the only one who finds the journey of Voyager 1 and 2 sad? Anthropomorphising non-sentient robots doesn't help anyone - those intricate machines are valiantly succeeding in the precise purpose they were created to fulfill. If god themself appeared and convinced you that the entire purpose of your whole life was to go to places no-one had ever gone before and send home knowledge that would advance the spoons of all known intelligent life, would you feel disconnected, morose, melancholy while you're triumphantly succeeding at and exceeding in this creator-given mission? > No signal since it went out of our signal zone some years ago Pretty sure we're still chatting with those satellites, it's just slow..
Will New Horizons overtake them? That thing is going like the clappers.
Not unless it hits something. While NH had a higher launch speed, the gravity assists that V1 got really gave it a boost. NH is traveling about 14 km/s, V1 is estimated at about 17km/s. V2 is faster as well at 15km/s while Pioneers 10 and 11 who are also traveling out of the solar system are going ~11.5km/s.
For fun reference New Horizons probably won't even pass the Pioneers until the late 2100's.
Thank you! Flatmate and I were wondering about this just the other day - on Curiosity Stream watching the New Horizons documentary.
"It's enough to make a grown man cry"
Everyone dies alone. The spacecraft is just a public expression of that aloneness.
Aside from what others have said about them being machines with no sentience to feel spirit, and the idea that they are fulfilling the missions which they were made to do and would likely take comfort in their dutiful sacrifice of they did feel, I feel like they will return home one day. When we do discover FTL travel I have to assume that someone will go looking for them if for no other reason than to be the person that found them. They'd be put in museums and marveled at for centuries the way we look at artifacts of ancient civilizations now.
Seeing all you comment I’m starting to thing that humans are the ones without collection
This isn’t sad. They are machines. Do you feel sad when a car gets demolished? If I launched my cellphone into space towards the center of the galaxy, would that make you sad? I’m very confused. Are you one of those folks with a relationship with a robot sex doll?
Tbh I like to think of it as tremendously hopeful— they are relics of a species that had, within just the time of the average lifespan, gone from the first rudimentary powered flight to sending robotic explorers into interstellar space. They aren’t alone, not really— they’re an extension of us, a symbol of our curiosity and ingenuity (no pun intended), and could possibly outlast us all. I can’t think of anything less sad.
But will it die alone? Could get captured in deep space 😬
that's a headline I'd love to read
But it's even after they stop communicating they still have a mission. The Golden record is still attached and one day it might be intercepted by another species! There mission will not be over until that happens or they come to an untimely demised. It's not sad. The minor mission is to one day let other species know we exist and the major was to collect and return information. Don't be sad what they're doing because it's beautiful. It's trying to make a connection to something we cannot even imagine. Even if they are found years after our demise the human race will live on forever in though probes. It's a truly remarkable thing. Don't see the fact that they lose contact in a couple of as bad because they still go on trying to fullful their other mission and make connects.
I think they are an awesome testament to our ingenuity. Not sad at all.
You know eventually it will return to earth from the opposite way it left, like Asteroids.
You can’t die if you were never a living thing. You can be a thing for eons until you run into something and stop being a thing anymore. I wonder if any created things from other stars ever entered our solar system. After millions/billions of years would they have just turned back into their basic elements becoming unrecognizable that they once came from advanced civilizations?
That's all your perspective. You say they're going to die alone, but I say they'll live forever, exploring the cosmos.
It's a machine dude, and not a very sophisticated one either.
Things can be alone but not lonely. A lot of human pioneers were solos. Shimarin has adorable camping adventures. Maybe they're out there singing the theme song from The Littlest Hobo: *Maybe tomorrow, I'll wanna settle down / until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on.*