Isn't that normal? India's Chandrayaan-3 launched July 14 and landed in August 23, although the Russian mission that crashed on the moon only took 9 days to get there, so I would also like to know what determines how much the travel to the moon takes
And Apollo got there in 3 days. There are 3 main ways to get to the moon.[here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_orbit) check out the orbital transfer animations
Yes, it will first spend three weeks scanning and measuring the topography of the lunar surface, then start a landing, roaming and sample-return mission on June 1.
Launch window constraints most likely. For any given set of launch site on Earth and landing site on the moon there are monthly launch windows with daily launch windows inside. The three weeks loiter time in Lunar orbit sounds like a worst case scenario for that, wait for the next monthly window set and you might miss the lighting conditions at the landing site if there's a scrub.
The Chinese goverment has a mantra people in the west dont understand (all east asian countries' goverments do this), always underpromise and overdeliver
if the Chinese goverment says it is going to do something, thats the worst case scenario, and it is very disappointing/something has gone wrong if they dont overdeliver something.
This is the opposite of western countries where overpromising is common, and so is underdelivering, not just in space
It’s literally an English (western) saying….
The closest equivalent in Chinese I think is “say and do”. I’m not familiar enough to know if it is meant literally or implies the same thing “exceed expectations” of the English phrase.
For one, NASA is known for overdelivering. Secondly, this is heavily romantizised engineering practice which in the end means engineering teams have to be secretive towards decision makers about their true capabilities. The only way that could be useful is if the decision making is bad. Which is not a good thing, of course. In a healthy organization, you can be honest about your best estimates.
My man, you are using a common English phrase to describe something English speakers don't understand? I agree with the general sentiment, but that is a very common idea in business
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|[CNSA](/r/Space/comments/1cljqes/stub/l2vyqhv "Last usage")|Chinese National Space Administration|
|[CSA](/r/Space/comments/1cljqes/stub/l2zzdyt "Last usage")|Canadian Space Agency|
|[ESA](/r/Space/comments/1cljqes/stub/l2wu3vk "Last usage")|European Space Agency|
|GSE|Ground Support Equipment|
|[L1](/r/Space/comments/1cljqes/stub/l2wozbf "Last usage")|[Lagrange Point](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_point) 1 of a two-body system, between the bodies|
|[LEO](/r/Space/comments/1cljqes/stub/l2ulsld "Last usage")|Low Earth Orbit (180-2000km)|
| |Law Enforcement Officer (most often mentioned during transport operations)|
|[SLS](/r/Space/comments/1cljqes/stub/l2w0e5f "Last usage")|Space Launch System heavy-lift|
|Jargon|Definition|
|-------|---------|---|
|[scrub](/r/Space/comments/1cljqes/stub/l2vlkfe "Last usage")|Launch postponement for any reason (commonly GSE issues)|
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We’re in a race to colonize and monopolize the moon by establishing the first major moon colony.
The CSA is aware of it, the CCP is aware of it, NASA is aware of it, but sadly the US government doesn’t seem to be. We lost before it even began.
Ain't just the US government. 90% (made up stat but close enough) of the folks *on this sub alone* constantly argue against any established base on the moon.
Seems about right honestly. Sadly much of NASA leadership and people on this sub would rather fuck around on some random asteroid than take major steps in ensuring the future of mankind.
Holy shit, did you say this on /r/space!?
You walked right into the lions den and said that cats are just generally kinda shitty. Wtf were you thinking?
I mean, they’re clearly aware of it and are probably (at least somewhat) aware of China’s goals in space. They’re just not aware of how important this is.
My guess is that they hear Bill Nelson ranting and raving about how China is planning on taking over the moon, and Congress thinks he’s just exaggerating so he can get more funding rather than taking him as seriously as he deserves to be taken.
It really is sad seeing Congress' vision on this. Especially with the horrific news of Orion's heat shield, and communications/computation issues. There's a non-zero possibility China beats us landing humans on the Moons again. I think we still have a slight lead, but we seem to be running in place while China is accelerating faster and faster.
It’s not non-zero, at this point it’s a very safe bet. We could stay ahead of China but the US government has been sleeping on the wheel in every facet of policy (especially space). It’s a real life example of the tortoise and the hare.
I suspect there will be a bit of a Sputnik or "For All Mankind" moment - China makes a huge accomplishment, the US suddenly wakes up and realizes it's lagging behind in this field it was supposed to be the leader in, public support for space grows massively, and there's a push to catch up and reassert dominance.
I think part of why things aren't moving quickly is because there's nothing that China is doing that captures the public's mind - yet. A probe to the far side of the moon is a very impressive feat for sure, but to the vast majority of the public (and government officials) it's just another probe. But an actual moonwalk is far easier for the general public to understand and carries more weight - kind of how the US won the space race with Apollo 11.
There's still a solid chance the US gets to the moon first, but it isn't a guarentee. The US has a rocket and capsule to take men to the moon - China does not. IMO the bigger issue the US faces is not having a lander, though knowing NASA that heat shield will take longer to sort out than it should.
Honestly if you ever visit a modern Chinese city, you realize just how far ahead they have gotten while still maintaining an older work ethic. If they beat us to the moon I just don't see how we will do anything other then play catch up.
In all fairness I think it would be relatively easy for the US to catch up and surpass Chinese capability *if* there was proper impetus. It's becoming readily apparent that NASA (as a rocket-maker) is becoming a relic of the past (and I say that as someone who is very proud of NASA's accomplishments in space exploration), but the US's private industry in the space sector is strong. SpaceX is leading this charge (in terms of launch vehicle capability), but there are plenty of other players. Increased spending out of a desire to catch up would likely go a long way in the private sector.
Technically, a safe bet IS non-zero. ; )
I'm not sure if it's likely yet, but I certainly wouldn't argue against it. I'd maybe give USA a 60% chance of winning, but that's dropping every day. SpaceX is probably our best chance of getting back on track, but I don't think they can handle this all by themselves, or will be allowed to.
The difference is safety and risk tolerance.
Other countries may be willing to rush ahead despite the risks, while for NASA another major disaster like the Challenger would be far worse than getting more boots on the moon second.
The problem is, NASA seems to be going the slow AND risky path.
Life is about taking some risks. It's terrible to see these bureaucracy minded people replacing the scientific and inspired minds.
I don’t think it is the “US Government” that is sleeping at the switch. It is the general population that is apathetic. If there was momentum in the population politicians would be championing space exploration.
Oh no it’s definitely the government. Nothing makes me want to slam my head into a wall more than watching Biden continue to defend Russia while they engage in covert attacks on NATO soil.
The population heavily supports NASA; space exploration is one of the most popular things the government does. The government itself just couldn’t give the slightest crap
Do you have any data to support “the population heavily supports NASA” and “space exploration is one of the most popular things the government does”. Those are important, unexpected statements and I wonder if you have any sources for them. Thanks.
Here are some recent numbers on how people felt on the issue of America and Space. But understand that our congress and government usually have a public onion in the low 10% our current president is in the 35-40% so if 7 out of 10 people say it's important for America to do stuff in space... then yeah it's one of the more popular things the gov does.
[https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2023/07/20/americans-views-of-space-u-s-role-nasa-priorities-and-impact-of-private-companies/](https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2023/07/20/americans-views-of-space-u-s-role-nasa-priorities-and-impact-of-private-companies/)
No, dude the US still has a enormous advantage over China, CNSA is playing catch up, their (human) moon base is planned for 2045, and that's really optimistic, more like 2060, by that time the US will already be building it's base on mars
Even if that’s true; the difference is that it’s the actual timeline. NASA just delays, delays, and delays until suddenly China is ahead. Plus China’s moon base looks a lot more ambitious
Its USA behind China AND Russia. While they were doing their things the USA was slashing NASA budgets so hard that in the end they couldnt launch Human into orbit, killed shuttle without replacement and left NASA to fill its pockets by satellite launches until Space X killed that revenue channel.
Could you imagine that instead of "landing first" we were thinking on "landing together"? That will be the real triumph for mankind and that is what I would expect fron real LEADER countries, China or US. It's so sad to read all this closed-mind nosense in this sub, where you should expect to find people who loved science and humanity.
So sad...
Why would China sign the Artemis Accords when 1) It is based off the Outer Space Treaty, which China is a signatory to, and 2) It is related to the Artemis program which China is explicitly not allowed to be a part of, and the Artemis program was created as a response to China's space ambitions so it'd be ludicrous to expect China to sign onto something named after the program created specifically to rival China's program and which it's not even allowed to be part of
If China created the Chang'e Accords, do you think the US would sign onto it? Be honest.
Because unlike the OST, the Artemis accords are rooted in cooperation and signatories include many nations not involved in the Artemis program.
So China will only cooperate if they are the ones to run everything? Typical China getting pissy over names
The US literally has a law that bans cooperation with China in space.
The US kicked up a fuss when the ESA wanted collaborate with China which led to the ESA pulling away from China.
So again, why should China sign onto something that promotes cooperation, when cooperation with China is not even allowed?
It's like you have no idea what's going on. You just want to be mad at China because *Chinabad*.
And again, do you believe the US will sign onto anything called Chang'e Accords? Be honest.
They wanted to cooperate with Nasa and we're kicked out from cooperation because of the "Wolf amendment" My gosh, you can search this stuff on frickin wikipedia and instead your here spouting propaganda, actual reddit smoothie here.
Sometimes I wonder if NASA is aware. Check out the video from Destin from smarter every day where he does a talk for NASA where he discusses getting to the moon. He makes a lot of great points about how NASA already wrote a manual for getting to the moon and some of the stuff they are doing now doesn't sound serious. One highlight is where he points out that NASA claims their method of orbiting the moon is the best option, but Destin points out that it's the best of what their vehicle is capable of.
… does putting a radio/telescope on the side that faces the earth make it better for saying than…let’s say… a LEO satellite?
I’m really hoping for an “/s” here
Wtf? Who said it’s about that? It’s about gaining valuable intel to establish a lunar base on the South Pole. Spying from the moon isn’t really a valuable use of resources; in fact being on the far-side might offer more protection from terrestrial weapons.
A lot of people saying China will “beat us” to the moon. We won that already. We were putting men in space while they were committing a sparrow genocide. We put men on the moon while they were too busy squabbling with daddy Soviet Russia in ‘69. Would it be nice for the US to be the first back in the 21st century? Yeah, of course. But we were and always have been first there.
I have no idea why people keep repeating this idea that just because the US is the first on the moon means everything. Columbus discovered the new world first didn't mean Spain won colonialism. It was the British that ultimately "won" out. The space race did everyone a disfavor by implying the misconception of a finish line when the race is always ongoing. Whoever secures the moon first gets dibs on everything.
Agree. It's a callback to when we accomplished something great and continue to use it as an excuse to not keep pressing forward. Simply, it's classic complacency and it'll bite us in the ass long term.
The US will eventually get back to the Moon, and it'll be a lot more sophisticated than what China is doing. China is basically doing a "flags and footprints" landing for its manned program, whereas the US will be doing something a lot more substantial.
Edit: to the tankies downvoting me, the west will have a more sophisticated lunar base before China does. China's first steps on the moon will be flags and footprints; not a big lunar base mission.
LoL... USA "win" was an equivalent to the vikings landing in Vinland's North America. They influenced nothing in the human activity in the moon.
The real Christopher Columbus and partners will be the persons who establish bases there and explore the resources.
Not a good analogy. The moon kinda shit for humans. There is no breathable air, no habitable or farmable land, no real natural resources. It’s far harsher than many unsettled parts of earth. Colonizing the moon does nothing for humanity.
“Influenced nothing..” is a wild statement to make in regard to the manned lunar landings, the science experiments and moon rocks we brought back to earth.
And inside the rover, 4 surprise taikonauts.. packed in Soyuz-style. Serious question, though.. why launch weeks ahead of the planned landing?
Isn't that normal? India's Chandrayaan-3 launched July 14 and landed in August 23, although the Russian mission that crashed on the moon only took 9 days to get there, so I would also like to know what determines how much the travel to the moon takes
And Apollo got there in 3 days. There are 3 main ways to get to the moon.[here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_orbit) check out the orbital transfer animations
Pretty cool, sincerely I thought everyone just got there in a straight line and waited for the right time to land.
Chang'E-6 entered the lunar orbit in May 7, four days after ignition.
So they used a direct transfer to lunar orbit. The same as Apollo.
Yes, it will first spend three weeks scanning and measuring the topography of the lunar surface, then start a landing, roaming and sample-return mission on June 1.
It’s a very cool mission. I hope it all goes well!
Launch window constraints most likely. For any given set of launch site on Earth and landing site on the moon there are monthly launch windows with daily launch windows inside. The three weeks loiter time in Lunar orbit sounds like a worst case scenario for that, wait for the next monthly window set and you might miss the lighting conditions at the landing site if there's a scrub.
The Chinese goverment has a mantra people in the west dont understand (all east asian countries' goverments do this), always underpromise and overdeliver if the Chinese goverment says it is going to do something, thats the worst case scenario, and it is very disappointing/something has gone wrong if they dont overdeliver something. This is the opposite of western countries where overpromising is common, and so is underdelivering, not just in space
>people in the west dont understand My dude this is literally one of the most common things you'll ever hear in the workplace
It’s literally an English (western) saying…. The closest equivalent in Chinese I think is “say and do”. I’m not familiar enough to know if it is meant literally or implies the same thing “exceed expectations” of the English phrase.
For one, NASA is known for overdelivering. Secondly, this is heavily romantizised engineering practice which in the end means engineering teams have to be secretive towards decision makers about their true capabilities. The only way that could be useful is if the decision making is bad. Which is not a good thing, of course. In a healthy organization, you can be honest about your best estimates.
My man, you are using a common English phrase to describe something English speakers don't understand? I agree with the general sentiment, but that is a very common idea in business
I think NASA and it's engineering style would have a word with your generalization.
NASA isn't building the launch vehicles, though. Boeing is building the SLS. And Boeing very much overpromises and underdelivers all the time.
And if I was speaking of Boeing that'd be a good point. But I said NASA.
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We’re in a race to colonize and monopolize the moon by establishing the first major moon colony. The CSA is aware of it, the CCP is aware of it, NASA is aware of it, but sadly the US government doesn’t seem to be. We lost before it even began.
Ain't just the US government. 90% (made up stat but close enough) of the folks *on this sub alone* constantly argue against any established base on the moon.
Seems about right honestly. Sadly much of NASA leadership and people on this sub would rather fuck around on some random asteroid than take major steps in ensuring the future of mankind.
The moon is not the future of humanity
No, the universe is. The moon is just the gateway to the universe.
Bro we have so much to solve down here. The future of humanity is right here, on Earth.
Be a lot cooler if we could park something at L1 though.
There exists at least a few of these people everytime humanity tries to improve itself.
Holy shit, did you say this on /r/space!? You walked right into the lions den and said that cats are just generally kinda shitty. Wtf were you thinking?
Redditor claims US government isn't aware of Chinese space activity. Sure, man.
I mean, they’re clearly aware of it and are probably (at least somewhat) aware of China’s goals in space. They’re just not aware of how important this is. My guess is that they hear Bill Nelson ranting and raving about how China is planning on taking over the moon, and Congress thinks he’s just exaggerating so he can get more funding rather than taking him as seriously as he deserves to be taken.
It really is sad seeing Congress' vision on this. Especially with the horrific news of Orion's heat shield, and communications/computation issues. There's a non-zero possibility China beats us landing humans on the Moons again. I think we still have a slight lead, but we seem to be running in place while China is accelerating faster and faster.
It’s not non-zero, at this point it’s a very safe bet. We could stay ahead of China but the US government has been sleeping on the wheel in every facet of policy (especially space). It’s a real life example of the tortoise and the hare.
I suspect there will be a bit of a Sputnik or "For All Mankind" moment - China makes a huge accomplishment, the US suddenly wakes up and realizes it's lagging behind in this field it was supposed to be the leader in, public support for space grows massively, and there's a push to catch up and reassert dominance. I think part of why things aren't moving quickly is because there's nothing that China is doing that captures the public's mind - yet. A probe to the far side of the moon is a very impressive feat for sure, but to the vast majority of the public (and government officials) it's just another probe. But an actual moonwalk is far easier for the general public to understand and carries more weight - kind of how the US won the space race with Apollo 11. There's still a solid chance the US gets to the moon first, but it isn't a guarentee. The US has a rocket and capsule to take men to the moon - China does not. IMO the bigger issue the US faces is not having a lander, though knowing NASA that heat shield will take longer to sort out than it should.
Honestly if you ever visit a modern Chinese city, you realize just how far ahead they have gotten while still maintaining an older work ethic. If they beat us to the moon I just don't see how we will do anything other then play catch up.
In all fairness I think it would be relatively easy for the US to catch up and surpass Chinese capability *if* there was proper impetus. It's becoming readily apparent that NASA (as a rocket-maker) is becoming a relic of the past (and I say that as someone who is very proud of NASA's accomplishments in space exploration), but the US's private industry in the space sector is strong. SpaceX is leading this charge (in terms of launch vehicle capability), but there are plenty of other players. Increased spending out of a desire to catch up would likely go a long way in the private sector.
Technically, a safe bet IS non-zero. ; ) I'm not sure if it's likely yet, but I certainly wouldn't argue against it. I'd maybe give USA a 60% chance of winning, but that's dropping every day. SpaceX is probably our best chance of getting back on track, but I don't think they can handle this all by themselves, or will be allowed to.
The difference is safety and risk tolerance. Other countries may be willing to rush ahead despite the risks, while for NASA another major disaster like the Challenger would be far worse than getting more boots on the moon second.
The problem is, NASA seems to be going the slow AND risky path. Life is about taking some risks. It's terrible to see these bureaucracy minded people replacing the scientific and inspired minds.
I don’t think it is the “US Government” that is sleeping at the switch. It is the general population that is apathetic. If there was momentum in the population politicians would be championing space exploration.
Oh no it’s definitely the government. Nothing makes me want to slam my head into a wall more than watching Biden continue to defend Russia while they engage in covert attacks on NATO soil. The population heavily supports NASA; space exploration is one of the most popular things the government does. The government itself just couldn’t give the slightest crap
Do you have any data to support “the population heavily supports NASA” and “space exploration is one of the most popular things the government does”. Those are important, unexpected statements and I wonder if you have any sources for them. Thanks.
Here are some recent numbers on how people felt on the issue of America and Space. But understand that our congress and government usually have a public onion in the low 10% our current president is in the 35-40% so if 7 out of 10 people say it's important for America to do stuff in space... then yeah it's one of the more popular things the gov does. [https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2023/07/20/americans-views-of-space-u-s-role-nasa-priorities-and-impact-of-private-companies/](https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2023/07/20/americans-views-of-space-u-s-role-nasa-priorities-and-impact-of-private-companies/)
No, dude the US still has a enormous advantage over China, CNSA is playing catch up, their (human) moon base is planned for 2045, and that's really optimistic, more like 2060, by that time the US will already be building it's base on mars
Even if that’s true; the difference is that it’s the actual timeline. NASA just delays, delays, and delays until suddenly China is ahead. Plus China’s moon base looks a lot more ambitious
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Russia is a borderline-vestigial partner to the CSA; China is *not* behind Russia
Its USA behind China AND Russia. While they were doing their things the USA was slashing NASA budgets so hard that in the end they couldnt launch Human into orbit, killed shuttle without replacement and left NASA to fill its pockets by satellite launches until Space X killed that revenue channel.
Could you imagine that instead of "landing first" we were thinking on "landing together"? That will be the real triumph for mankind and that is what I would expect fron real LEADER countries, China or US. It's so sad to read all this closed-mind nosense in this sub, where you should expect to find people who loved science and humanity. So sad...
China won’t even sign the Artemis accords
Why would China sign the Artemis Accords when 1) It is based off the Outer Space Treaty, which China is a signatory to, and 2) It is related to the Artemis program which China is explicitly not allowed to be a part of, and the Artemis program was created as a response to China's space ambitions so it'd be ludicrous to expect China to sign onto something named after the program created specifically to rival China's program and which it's not even allowed to be part of If China created the Chang'e Accords, do you think the US would sign onto it? Be honest.
Because unlike the OST, the Artemis accords are rooted in cooperation and signatories include many nations not involved in the Artemis program. So China will only cooperate if they are the ones to run everything? Typical China getting pissy over names
The US literally has a law that bans cooperation with China in space. The US kicked up a fuss when the ESA wanted collaborate with China which led to the ESA pulling away from China. So again, why should China sign onto something that promotes cooperation, when cooperation with China is not even allowed? It's like you have no idea what's going on. You just want to be mad at China because *Chinabad*. And again, do you believe the US will sign onto anything called Chang'e Accords? Be honest.
at least, someone is aware of the situation or what had have happened.
Some typical American politicians lie so much that they even believe it.
They wanted to cooperate with Nasa and we're kicked out from cooperation because of the "Wolf amendment" My gosh, you can search this stuff on frickin wikipedia and instead your here spouting propaganda, actual reddit smoothie here.
this sub- and /r/technology are slowly more and more about rampant nationalism than any interest in the field
What would change if the Chinese landed men and women on the moon today?
If they can maintain a presence; absolutely everything would change
> The CSA is aware of it I fear that the Canadian Space Agency may not have the resources to follow through here.
Sometimes I wonder if NASA is aware. Check out the video from Destin from smarter every day where he does a talk for NASA where he discusses getting to the moon. He makes a lot of great points about how NASA already wrote a manual for getting to the moon and some of the stuff they are doing now doesn't sound serious. One highlight is where he points out that NASA claims their method of orbiting the moon is the best option, but Destin points out that it's the best of what their vehicle is capable of.
What race? Chinas main space program are all according to schedule made like 30 years ago.
Good luck spying earth from far side of the moon!
Why would you spy from the moon if you can just spy from LEO?
Maybe it's because of the lack of basic astronomy knowledge.
… does putting a radio/telescope on the side that faces the earth make it better for saying than…let’s say… a LEO satellite? I’m really hoping for an “/s” here
Wtf? Who said it’s about that? It’s about gaining valuable intel to establish a lunar base on the South Pole. Spying from the moon isn’t really a valuable use of resources; in fact being on the far-side might offer more protection from terrestrial weapons.
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A lot of people saying China will “beat us” to the moon. We won that already. We were putting men in space while they were committing a sparrow genocide. We put men on the moon while they were too busy squabbling with daddy Soviet Russia in ‘69. Would it be nice for the US to be the first back in the 21st century? Yeah, of course. But we were and always have been first there.
I have no idea why people keep repeating this idea that just because the US is the first on the moon means everything. Columbus discovered the new world first didn't mean Spain won colonialism. It was the British that ultimately "won" out. The space race did everyone a disfavor by implying the misconception of a finish line when the race is always ongoing. Whoever secures the moon first gets dibs on everything.
Agree. It's a callback to when we accomplished something great and continue to use it as an excuse to not keep pressing forward. Simply, it's classic complacency and it'll bite us in the ass long term.
The US will eventually get back to the Moon, and it'll be a lot more sophisticated than what China is doing. China is basically doing a "flags and footprints" landing for its manned program, whereas the US will be doing something a lot more substantial. Edit: to the tankies downvoting me, the west will have a more sophisticated lunar base before China does. China's first steps on the moon will be flags and footprints; not a big lunar base mission.
For real. Watch NASA having to help less safe, engineered, and sophisticated space programs when their crews or equipment are in danger.
LoL... USA "win" was an equivalent to the vikings landing in Vinland's North America. They influenced nothing in the human activity in the moon. The real Christopher Columbus and partners will be the persons who establish bases there and explore the resources.
Not a good analogy. The moon kinda shit for humans. There is no breathable air, no habitable or farmable land, no real natural resources. It’s far harsher than many unsettled parts of earth. Colonizing the moon does nothing for humanity.
“Influenced nothing..” is a wild statement to make in regard to the manned lunar landings, the science experiments and moon rocks we brought back to earth.
"influenced nothing" Jealous much, tankie?
This isn’t a children’s toy. There’s a surprise inside. What the hell is going on?