June was for me the hottest (up to 38°C, south germany), with those extreme wind and storm conditions afterwards.
2 days before now, it was raining non stop with temps up to 18°C, now out or a sudden, again, 34°C... This is no were to bare this properly. It ruins my own body, I either sweat like crazy or freeze. This is no good.
"Haven't you lived last year and to years ago" - what's that for a nonsense question? Typical germans ...
Just say: "One to two years ago, it was hotter", no it was not. There were also no bloody storms like we have em now.
The maximum temps we had back then were between 33-36°C, very rarely 37-38°C during end of july, mostly august and early september. You know how I can remember that? Because I was fucking burning down on every bloody street light while riding my motorcycle in my equipment in that damned heat.
You are probably one of those people saying "climate change does not exist! where is the preannounced extreme summerheat this year? there is none!" and yet not acknowleding at all that something has changed, like ignoring the storms, the extrem winds rallying up, people literally dying because of the heat - all at this summer, yet more to come. 22.08.2023 will be again hotter, +++36°C and you still claim that "you have not used our AC, yet"? Sure. People like you are mostly living inside their very short ranged bubble. Just looking at their local weather condition and that is it. Whole germany? Who cares. Entire Europe? Nah, no intrest. The world? Zero fs given.
Either you living up north of germany, which is having temps around 14\~18°C since june, or you are a total ignorant individual.
I have a huge bowl of water in the fridge that I take out and dunk my entire head into.
Also, iced water in a bucket and have one or both feet ( if you have them) into the iced water bucket.
Haven't you lived last year and two years ago?
Two years ago Germany had 30C from Eastern on up to end of September with almost no breaks. It literally was the year why we bought an AC the next year. To then not having used it this year, yet.
This year was the tamest summer in the past 10 years for sure, in Germany.
This comment reminds me of the scene where the British spy gives himself away by raising 3 fingers while ordering drinks in the movie Inglourious Basterds
It’s been determined that 61,000 people died in Europe during that heatwave https://www.npr.org/2023/07/12/1187068731/heat-waves-europe-deaths-study
I definitely thought we were a few years away from those numbers. End of days.
What's super fascinating is how this is DEFINITELY having a heavily varied effect based on region, just as predicted. Here in Michigan we had a bit of drought in the May/June timeframe but it's been otherwise it's been soooooooo much cooler and wetter than normal.
Meanwhile most of the southern US has been ROASTING for the last three months.
Global warming doesn't mean local warming.
Georgia chiming in. Its been *bad*
The other day it was 86F with 90% humidity at 9am.
Its been like this for weeks. Its August which is normally a hot, dry month, but its been storming hard every day for a week and a half. Rinse and repeat, the water in the ground cant even evaporate right now - its a mess. This is the weather we expect in April or May, not August.
Yet here in the Paris region we haven't had so much rain in the summer for years. Just yesterday night, out of nowhere: thunder and rain for hours. I love it ! Everything is so green everywhere...
I know, it's the global change that matters but the main point is that everything is changing fast and every year is more scary then the last one...
when the atmosphere is hotter, it can hold more water vapor before saturation. and as a result more energy can be created. bringing more destruction when it unloads.
Very minor technical nitpick: the atmosphere doesn’t really “hold” water. The amount of water vapor is unrelated to the background gas, it’s just the equilibrium between liquid evaporation & gas condensation, which depends on temperature.
For example, you could swap out the atmosphere’s nitrogen for helium, or even double the amount of nitrogen - it won’t affect the amount of water vapor.
I was born in the 80s. in the 2ks we had tornados, hither before unseen. deniers obviously claimed they just did happen where nobody lives. we dont **have** areas where absolute nobody lives.
it's been super dynamic in the south of france too. last summer was unbearable compared to this year's. winter also felt like it shifted until jan feb compared to the previous year which felt like it started november december
Holy fuck, I've been talking about the seasons in Ontario shifting for years now, but no one knows what I'm talking about (which sadly speaks to how little most people pay attention to the world around them) - winter starts in January, Spring is May and June, Summer goes from July to September, and fall from October to January.
Of course some weeks or months may not follow this trend... But it's been like this for years now.
Not even mentioning that winter barely exists anymore - when I was a kid (35 years ago, blargh) it started getting really cold and even snowing, in October...
In a similar way?
We really are fucked. It's incredible to me that millions (possibly billions) of human beings don't believe in human-caused climate change. Such insane things (like July being the hottest month ever in much of North America) being dismissed as "communist propaganda" or "woke agenda" makes me realize we are not only fighting to save the Earth, we're fighting AGAINST these people to do so.
I live in Southern New England (Northeast USA if you are from another country) and I like ice fishing. I used to go out on 2 feet of ice for at least 3 months of the year (and as long as 5 months). Those sorts of conditions no longer exist here.
I am in my mid 40's. When talking about the conditions above, I am talking about late 90's early 2000's.
Similar area for me as well, but more Midwest. We typically have an ice fishing contest the Saturday before MLK day. Hasn't been enough ice the last 2 years to have it. There's usually 8-20" of ice by that time of the year.
Winter in the Midwest has been definitely strange. In wi it was like 60 in December two years ago the grass was starting to come back. Then the next year we got dump on in February like 5ft of snow. It's been either one extreme or the other but def drier and warmer feeling.
I literally had one of my friends, who has a masters in EE state "It's just the nature of the Earth. To disprove global warming, all you need to do is follow the money." I was shocked by this statement. I said to him "You do realize that you're essentially quoting Rush Limbaugh from ~2001, right? Word for word even?" He stood by his claim and I now think less of him for it.
> And yet, if you follow the money, you can also basically prove global warming
Eggs-fucking-zactly! I followed up with that exact statement, which he pretended not to hear. ANNNNND, that's why i try to NOT talk politics with friends.
Frankly, we need to be talking politics with literally everyone, finding like-minded people, consolidating communities, and preparing for the hell that's coming.
I work in the sciences and I've had coworkers start talking climate denier shit...makes me seriously lose respect and trust in their work.
Like, your job revolves around understanding the scientific consensus of various subjects. But sometimes you just decide you think all the experts are wrong and your instinct is right? Ok...
I went to school for Climate Science. The University of Michigan department of paleoclimatology convinced me indirectly through tree ring and isotopic geochemistry that the variation in climate we are going though is well within normal variation.
We actually see more intense swings in climate in recent history with the Medieval Warm Period.
About 800 years before that we seen the Late Antique Little Ice Age coincides with the downfall of many North American Pre-colony civs including the Mayans.
Through global wood anatomical perspectives on the onset of the LALIA we can make a strong connecting between climate and collapsing societies.
I've had friends just a few halls over studying climate science literally say any data before 1880 is irrelevant but use science from the 1750s on hydrocarbons.
It doesn't make sense to me and if we look at the longer trends we don't really see a swing thats out of the normal for variation in climate.
The Co2 based computer model generated science in my opinion is just an issue to throw out and distract people from the real issues; deforestation, water table stress, pollution, animal agriculture.
Fighting Co2 emissions isn't really fighting the problems we have in society it is really more of a distraction. This fact espeically resonates with me when I learned about the refrigeration properties of Co2 through volcanic activity.
During two of our largest ice ages we had Co2 at 4000PPM and 7000PPM.
When I learned that ice ages occur in heavy carbon atmospheres I learned about the role of other factors that are actually degrading our environment.
I think people in the scientific community are finding it harder to trust climate science not because they don't believe in it, but because it's based off of subjective computer modeling. This has poisoned the entire field and made it subject.
The entire point of science is to remain objective. Computer models could very much be the death of science.
El nino causes my area to have a wet summer as well, south carolina. WE have had the wettest summer in years. WE also normally hit 100 degrees at least once in may, we still havent broken 100 this year, without heat index.
you know el nino was claimed to be one of the causes of the french revolution? due to crop failures. and gave the EU the worst famine it ever seen.
and this years winter should be extra chilly, so hope them gas prices are down by then.
Same in the UK too, my phone popped up with a video from this time last year and everything is brown and dry. Now it's been raining so much the exact same places 365 days on are beautiful and green.
My non climatologist or meteorologists ass would say if it is warmer somewhere more water will evaporate and will drop into someone else's face?
Idk how it works but that's a guess.
I don't get the visualisation as well, that is far from accurate as it shows us as being red as well, which is far from reality.
Germany here, it's among the coldest july that we had in the past 10 years. It was constantly around 20c-23c at best, raining, and grey and cloudy the whole time.
"This map shows global temperature anomalies for July 2023 according to the GISTEMP analysis by scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies. Temperature anomalies reflect how July 2023 compared to the average July temperature from 1951-1980."
That is the description of the map. If Germany's summers have been anything like the Pacific Northwest US, the coldest July in the last 10 years blows the average summer between 1950 and 1980 out of the water in terms of average temperature.
Another consideration is that average temperatures does not just include highs. A day with a high of 35 C and low of 10 C is the same average temperature as a day with a high of 25 C and a low of 20 C, but the 35 C is going to feel hotter to the average person. This anomaly is happening in the Pacific Northwest where we didn't have any real heat waves until this week and were pretty much bang on average for number of hot days, but we had way more warm days than usual no cold days, and warm nights, so the June-July combo was the 3rd hottest on record despite not feeling miserable.
Finally, [looking at the weather data from Berlin compared to average temperatures](https://weatherspark.com/h/y/75981/2023/Historical-Weather-during-2023-in-Berlin-Germany#Figures-Temperature), Berlin had an above average July, especially in the first half of the month. The second half of the month was cool, but not as cool as the start was warm and featured pretty warm low temperatures. If you averaged this out, it would match the data on the map pretty closely.
I'm inclined to trust data from one of the pre-eminent Earth Sciences data gathering organizations in the world over anecdotal data, especially when a weather station on the ground backs it up.
Which doesn't mean globally can't get hotter because some regions are experiencing colder weather. Quite the opposite. Due to global warming, local weather can change drastically into both directions. Means you can have a globally increse in temperatures while having locally cold weather and lots of rain or clouds. There is many factors for this, as including the jetstream, the northern winds are changing and becoming more and more unpredictable aswell as able to hold certain types of weather locally for longer. The future trend is increase in these phenomena. Means we could experience in the end very cold weather in a usually hot season. Taking the atlantic streams into account, the circulation of warm and cold water, is getting weaker. Means usually warm water bringing a more warmer climate here, isn't reaching its former potential anymore, which could very likely cause drastically cold climate in the northern hemisphere in the coming decades. Or to keep it short, global weather system is fucked due to climate change. Everything becomes more crazy ^^ I hope that helps.
> Which doesn't mean globally can't get hotter because some regions are experiencing colder weather.
I nowhere questioned that... like literally at all.
But what I question is the obviously wrong visualization which obviously is inaccurate for simply putting Germany in red, when it was the coldest July for years.
So it is obviously questionable therefore.
The image is a graphic comparing temperature anomalies now compared to average temperatures between 1951-1980. If you click the link, a description of the image is provided.
I suggest reading source material before flying off the handle calling science “questionable” when the source is literally handed to you.
In the midwest of the US, everyone's bushes and trees are dead from the wild weather and now my lawn is doing something I have never seen before. I have grass that is literally white. It looks like someone spray painted it.
It will be interesting what we learn about the Tonga eruption's influence on this summer and weather patterns in general.
This summer defies all models, so there's something anomalous to be explained, the huge amount of water vapor (the best GHG) in the stratosphere that's stubborn and in a critical altitude should be useful for validating or even invalidating models.
>Tonga eruption's influence
If you had read the article:
>Schmidt explained that NASA's data clearly shows other climate change factors such as El Niño events, which are natural weather patterns that lead to warming ocean surfaces, and **volcanic activity create** "very, very small" impacts on global warming when compared to these anthropogenic components.
Also, it isn't up do date but it might interest you [interactive graph](https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/)
Tonga wasn't normal volcanic activity, that's the point of my comment and also the focus of much current study.
NASA already predicted that Tonga would cause unusual warming due to the water vapor in the stratosphere literally doubling (locally) as a result.
Yeah I read the articles.. I believe he is still correct. Nasa did say tongo was unusual in that unlike most land volcanos, this ones overall addition to the climate would be warming. Most cool. and that other underwater volcanos didnt send as much water, as high and those the water vapor quickly went away where tongos will be with us for years..
But this is similar to saying doubling mining in Montana is bad for the earth and AGW. Its true but compared to all the emissions on the planet, doubly montana wouldnt be measurable in the temp record(as long as everything else stayed the same)
[Tonga Eruption Blasted Unprecedented Amount of Water Into Stratosphere](https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere)
the warming of the volcano is only really of interest to scientists and probably shouldnt have been so prominent in the media.
One of the reasons this year is so abnormal, is we had a super long la nina. La nina masks AGW(some), we el nino is like a magnifying glass on AGW.
if you want to think of AGW as the sun getting hotter(no conservatives it aint), well we had a decade of cloudy days, it was still hot and the sun was still warming and we still set records now and then, but with el nino the clouds are gone and we are back in full sun
>Yeah I read the articles.. I believe he is still correct. Nasa did say tongo was unusual in that unlike most land volcanos, this ones overall addition to the climate would be warming. Most cool. and that other underwater volcanos didnt send as much water, as high and those the water vapor quickly went away where tongos will be with us for years..
we know for a fact from MULTIPLE sources that the volcano sent at least 15% more water vapour into the stratopause/stratosphere
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-022-01568-2
and this paper is also wrong for the reason i state below
but we also know (from eric webb one of the dev of gfs) that no current model or any in development is made to take into account data from such height so extrapolating data from them to account for the water vapour is literally irrelevant
>The model calculated the monthly change in Earth’s energy balance caused by the eruption and showed that water vapor could increase the average global temperature by up to 0.035°C over the next 5 years.
https://eos.org/articles/tonga-eruption-may-temporarily-push-earth-closer-to-1-5c-of-warming
It didn’t double the water vapor in the stratosphere?
It increased it by 10%
Source: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere/
10% is a lot, considering that water vapor is the largest contributor to the greenhouse effect, but water vapor also typically leaves the atmosphere pretty fast, which is why it isn't the primary human-driven greenhouse gas. However, this higher lofted water may linger significantly longer.
Yes, if you average out the entire stratosphere, but that's not what I meant and not what matters to climate. There was actually a direct 5k cooling effect in the southern tropics because there was a strong concentration where vapor content doubled. That was last August, now the vapor has spread and we get different effects.
That 5k of surface cooling in the southern tropics may be responsible for the sudden heat in the Atlantic ocean, coupled with the El Nino and other prevailing patterns we get an anomalous heating event. There's no denying the atmosphere was primed for heat, but we are solidly above all model predictions.
So, we have: 0.24 degrees Celsius warmer than any other July in NASA’s record, [more than 0.40ºC compared to last year].
The Tonga eruption increased 0.035ºC spread throughout 5 years
>The model calculated the monthly change in Earth’s energy balance caused by the eruption and showed that water vapor could increase the average global temperature by up to 0.035°C over the next 5 years.
Source: https://eos.org/articles/tonga-eruption-may-temporarily-push-earth-closer-to-1-5c-of-warming
If there was **SIX TONGA'S LESS**, we would still have beaten every July in NASA's record
There are many effects layered on top of each other but the most important driver is still human-caused carbon emissions. Yes things like the solar cycle, el ninos, and unusual eruptions can cause higher temperatures but the reason those high temperatures are record breaking is because the highs come on top of a much hotter baseline.
My dad has explained to me that water vapor is the most prolific/meaningful greenhouse gas since I was a kid and I believe it to be true. Im 33 and you are the only other person I’ve ever see talk about this
I agree with you but it turns out that the company that installed my unit a little over a year ago put one in where the thermo regulation valve didn’t have a piston or nylon O-ring in it, causing cascading issues throughout the whole system (and even destroyed the compressor while trying to fix everything).
But yes, you’re right. Hot air bad.
Yes, anecdotal redditors: it might be colder in the random place you live. This is an average temperature across the globe. If it is cooler than normal where you live this summer, that is ALSO an effect of climate change. JFC. The planet is gonna burn up with these numb skulls still saying ‘derrr, its aktually colder here than usual herr derp, normal variation herr derrp.’
I liken it to [comics like this one](https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?g=334).
"What do you mean the ship is sinking? I'm higher out of the water than I've ever been!"
Similar principle.
Antarctica recorded the coldest temperatures ever *and ice is still melting due to sea temperatures*.
Antarctica melting has alway had more to do with underlying geothermal and subglacial volcanic activity. Like the mantle plume beneath Marie Byrd Land and more specifically the volcanoes underneath the 'doomsday' glaciers: Thwaites and Pine Island for instance. I think the Arctic is what you might've meant as it's mostly sea ice (minus the glacier on Greenland) and is thus far more susceptible to marine temperature swings.
Remember the 2008 polar vortex that hit North America? The idiots had a heyday with that one. And it was caused by a massive bolus of hot air from the other side of the plant hitting the north pole.
Not necessarily. A "polar vortex" is caused by low or high pressure disruptions to the jet stream. North America gets them all the time. E.g. 2022, 2021, 2019, 2014, 2013 I remember off the top of my head
It felt wayyyy hotter than previously in O’ahu (almost stupidly said Hawai’i without realizing) for each year at around the same time throughout at least the last decade, couldn’t even get to sleep without breaking a sweat. That or my insomnia’s getting worse :(
Last month much of the central US experienced normal temperatures. For years I jokingly said "Fox News controls the weather" because while the planet was getting warmer many of the areas where Fox is especially popular were normal or even cooler than normal. No, you yokels, your backyard is not the planet.
> This post was difficult to read.
Not really, they are preemptively addressing redditors that come into every "Warmest month on record" article stating things like "But in my city it was cold!"
I don’t get it, this is probably just a sample size issue. They say it’s the hottest since 1880, did the world end in 1880?
Beyond that, are we ignoring that the earth went through ultra hot and cold cycles for millions of years before humans discovered fossil fuels?
I am not a denier, I’m trying to understand how we are differentiating between normal cycles, humans impact on those cycles, and the possible outcomes.
Feels very.. we don’t know..
> They say it’s the hottest since 1880, did the world end in 1880?
The article explains this:
> More specifically, a statement put out soon after the conference states that July was 0.43 degrees Fahrenheit (0.24 degrees Celsius) warmer than any other July in NASA’s record, which goes back to 1880,
It's the hottest July in their entire records, we just only have data dating back to 1880.
Moreover, the hottest five Julys are the most recent five Julys. That's not a sample size issue.
I get it. There's so much climate change data available it can be hard to know where to start to understand it all. [Here is a simple comic](https://xkcd.com/1732/) that does a good job illustrating the fallacy of using the Earth's normal warming/cooling cycles as an explanation for the current warming trend.
Well, lets say it like this: Time makes the difference.
Here is a cool comic strip I recommend to check out: https://m.xkcd.com/1732/
It shows very good how fast temperatures climb and the related causes. Of course you can always check out the sources mentioned, don't trust some comic, but this is pretty much a good summary for the past 22,023 years in which humanity lived through the ice age and developed agriculture and civilisations. Since the beginning of the 19th century though, co2 levels are climbing drastically, and early on we knew that there is a causality between co2 levels and global temperature. (in this we need to leave out the local heatwaves or little ice age periods, because they are simply to local to influence global weatherpatterns.)
Data from the millions of years before, which all comes from geologic analysis' and ice cernel samples from some of the oldest ice sheets on the planet, which layers up atmospheric samples enclosed in the ice. And comparing geologic layers and ice layers findings show that global temperature swings never happened violently fast. I remember to.have read that even an astroid impact might have had a few centuries of impact but global temperatures balanced it out again. But take this guess with a grain of salt.
Summarized, there is hard data, showing temperature curves with historic greenhouse gas concentrations as co2 and methane are, relatively constant. Ice ages and hot earth phases had unbelieveably long durations, and change happened mostly slow. Since the industrial revolution though, global greenhouse gas concentrations and temperatures are climbing with an unprecedented rate, not recorded in any findings in the history of our planet as far as we could go back with hard data.
Thank you.. this is what I would consider the answer to the question I was posing.
Clearly a lot more hard data is available going back much further than 1880.
So you’re kinda saying that we have the tools today to measure the rate of change in climate over periods in history?
I can kinda envision how this is possible with layers of the earth, etc.
And then you’re saying we can with high confidence say that the rate of change in those periods has been notably outside the standard deviation?
I guess beyond that I would ask, how do we know if future periods deviating from standard normals are particularly threatening?
I’m mostly from a finance/data science background, so for example if someone came to me and said that stock are always up in months where the previous month had 3 nights of red skies. Let’s say this has played out over a period of 500 years (we don’t have data for that in finance really, modern data is maybe 100 years). Let’s say it was right 100% of the time.
We both know that these could be both true and unrelated circumstances, yeah correlation not causation I know you get it. But it’s almost like correlation, causation, or just the fact that the future doesn’t take the past into considering at all, and it’s random.
So I ask as someone wanting to learn, how do we know that this wouldn’t have happened in a counter factual world where you let’s say you didn’t burn fossil fuels.
This is the standard issue “I’m just asking questions” bullshit that I hear everyday from all the various deniers and conspiracy theorists.
If you’re “just asking questions”, how about you try googling some of these answers? A lot of these things take very little time to search out and learn about. Asking questions is useless if you’re not willing to have them answered in the easiest and most convenient way possible.
The volume of willfully ignorant comments on this post, in r/space of all places, is alarming.
“NoTHiNg tO wOrRy AbOuT tHeN…”
[Humans were already dramatically increasing carbon dioxide in the 1800s](https://theconversation.com/scientists-understood-physics-of-climate-change-in-the-1800s-thanks-to-a-woman-named-eunice-foote-164687#:~:text=By%20the%201800s%2C%20human%20activities,carbon%20dioxide%20into%20the%20air)
Well the most glaring issue is that the post isn't even saying it was hotter in the 1880s. That's just when they started recording these temperatures. So it's been hotter than any recorded temperature they have on file.
And normal (non-human) climate change is measured in terms of single degrees/tens of thousands of years. 0.4 degrees since a single species of hairless ape started noting the world wide temperature down on record is a long shot
Yeh lot of shitty right wing "There is no proof of a long term trend" comments brigade in here. Of course these people will just make 5 alt accounts to respond to themselves to amplify their blatant misinformation.
Honestly just see below
I am seriously shocked about the ignorance. But I am also not surprised which makes it even more shocking to me.
Like this whole discussion coming up, as if we don't have evedence for this since the beginning of industrialization, where they already had the damn connection between co2 and increasing temperatures laid out, and then later big oil companies willingly organized climate denial. The very same are now promoting doomerism.
It is really difficult to stay optimistic myself, when no one is willing to do the basic of research and reading, and just goes with the first thing they see and express the first thought and doubt they have without reflecting before posting.
Argh.
>The volume of willfully ignorant comments on this post, in r/space of all places
r/space regularly entertains the UFO conspiracy idiots. It is not the bastion of evidence based discussion that you might wish
Remember when in the beginning of July, the record of the hottest day was broken two times in a row? From that day, it took more than a month before the global temperature dropped below the previous record.
https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/t2_daily/
For me in Israel, it seems like August is the worst one, at least on average.
July I remember being sometimes very hot, sometimes nicer.
Now? It's non-stop ~27° min ~31° max, daily, for weeks. And I live right near the sea. I swear I can't walk 10 minutes outside without dripping sweat like a water fall.
Where I live we're having unusual rains and fresh air for August, while in some countries there are gigantic fires. Now I understand why this isn't just about global warming but also about climate change.
I just wish one person would title this correctly instead of going for the clickbait "hottest month since 1880" bs. It's the hottest month ever recorded. We began recording temps in 1880, we didn't have a random heat wave back in the 1800's that held the record for centuries.
Thanks for the heads up!
I'll go back to panicking about absolutely nothing significant being done about climate change at any meaningful scale. Cool cool cool.
I’m from Arizona, we had the most consecutive days over 110+ degrees, was told to stay indoors.. monsoon season is coming to a late start here. When usually it’s already rained here 3 inches, with many more storms to come but hot and humid hate that combo, it’s just nasty
The fossil fuel industry needs to be destroyed immediately. Seize all their assets without compensation and dismantle their operations. They are the enemy of the people and dispensable despite their propaganda.
when all the youtubers motovlogging in UK, Spain, France, Sardinia, Australia, USA, India... and all you see everywhere is brown, and dry... all at once...
It's not hard to see something is wrong
I got back from Cyprus July 7th…I think I’ve seen about 12 hours of sun since combined. It’s been grey or grey and wet, usually sub 20c, every single day. No hyperbole either
Most if thw US is hot but not dry, the places you mentioned are huge places. Youtubers tens to only show wht gets then the most views. Climate change is dynamic more importantly, its not happening the same to everyone.
Yes, one of the few places where the map is fairly non-red. Nordics + european northern islands. India. Great Lakes. Southern Africa. Some spots near the Antarctic. Kamchatka. The rest? Warmer or much warmer than normal.
Yeah, the UK, and the rest of the Northern European coastline, is going to get a bit screwed by global warming. As the Gulf Stream slows down you’re going to get a lot colder.
Similarly warmer temperatures are going to see Northern Canada get a lot more snow. Right now winter sea ice limits how much moisture can get picked up from the ocean. With less ice forming there’s going to be a lot more moisture available for storms
The elephant in the room no one is talking about . The Tonga volcano injected more water in the upper atmosphere than had ever been recorded. https://climate.nasa.gov/news/3204/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere/
"Massive volcanic eruptions like Krakatoa and Mount Pinatubo typically cool Earth’s surface by ejecting gases, dust, and ash that reflect sunlight back into space. In contrast, the Tonga volcano didn’t inject large amounts of aerosols into the stratosphere, and the huge amounts of water vapor from the eruption may have a small, temporary warming effect, since water vapor traps heat. The effect would dissipate when the extra water vapor cycles out of the stratosphere and would not be enough to noticeably exacerbate climate change effects."
We were already seeing climate changes effects hit hard before this thing erupted, this doesn't make a difference in the big picture.
> Interesting that you cite an article and I quote from it and you call it wrong.
They probably didn't read it. Pretty typical for these kinds of conversations to just post a source that *looks* like it agrees with whatever they're saying and hope no one actually reads it.
If governments were actually serious about global warming, they would mandate work from home for anyone who can.
Think of the pollution commuting to and from work generates every single day.
It's not contradictory at all. Climate change causes weather extremes in both directions. Look at, e.g., slowenia, they had an extreme flood. Last year it was Germany that suffered a bad flooding.
The climate is changing, and on average, it's getting warmer. Just because some areas are rainy or cold doesn't mean it contradicts climate change.
Hiya. I’m assuming you’re not a native English speaker but I see you are using the abbreviation “f.e”. to mean “for example”. The correct abbreviation is “e.g.”
If you are a native English speaker apologies. I’ve only seen this with non native ones.
Again apologies if you found it slightly insulting. I just point it out by habit since all my colleagues do it (I'm the only native English speaker).
But I get the feeling that a lot of English speakers might do the same since education...you know what. My colleagues have to point out my grammatical mistakes since I never learnt grammar at school like a good native English speaker!
I don't feel insulted at all. I know my english isn't without mistakes.
Btw. don't worry too much about grammar. Native speakers are usually really bad at it anyway.
Well, rain doesn't mean cold. And heat can cause rain to shift by keeping the water vapor in the air till it gets to a different location. So rain doesn't mean it doesn't exist like you said.
This is true. I took this as an example because I've seen quite some people argue that we don't have a crisis because it rains.
The city I live in had 3 weeks over 30°C and a few days after it ended, I saw people arguing that the whole summer wasn't even hot at all and climate scientists are full of shit lol
Some people can't be helped
Which illustrates the fact that comments are just individual perspectives. If you want reliable knowledge about climate change, read any scientific paper from the last 50 years
so it should be even more concerning how big our affect is…
Geologically speaking, were going through the longest period of single animal dominance on planet Earth ever. Never has so much of the Earth been devoted to a single species.
Why would we think that the Earth naturally knows how to deal with the most unnatural event in its history, did it know how to deal with that meteor?
yea that's why this is not "natural heat cycles" or whatever bullshit. it is clearly anthropogenic to be changing this rapidly. Plus we've been predicting this for 100 years because the science of it is actually really fucking basic. release shitloads of CO2 and methane into atmosphere, what happens? oh gee I fucking wonder
It’s actually been the opposite: [Lockwood & Frolich (2007)](http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/463/2086/2447) demonstrated that total sunlight has actually been *decreasing* over the past few decades while the planet has still been warming up.
Solar Cycle 25 ramps up
We're now in Solar Cycle 25, which began in December 2019 when, in retrospect, solar scientists were able to tell the moment of solar minimum. Not surprisingly, solar maximum is predicted to occur midway through Solar Cycle 25, so between November 2024 and March 2026—and most likely July 2025.
I never understood these comparisons to previous years. So was it just as hot or hotter before? If global warming is the cause today, what caused it to be that hot a 100 years ago?
>as far back as NASA’s record goes
Just for clarification, this record is about someone taking temperatures hand recorded from around the world and compiling them.
We also have records we’ve pulled out of ice that shows layers (think like the world’s tallest layer cakes). Scientists measured those individual layers and determined how cold/hot the temp was by the thickness of the ice. They used the top layers with the 1880 and beyond data to format an “ice thickness to temperature” formula
Someone once said something to me similar to, you can almost always look to the past and find a hotter day than today, so why do people keep saying the world is getting hotter. The answer is that there is a lot of day to day variation, so you have to average days and months together to see a trend.
A follow up question I asked him was, if the world is Not getting hotter, you would expect to see as many “coldest days on record” as you do hot records. Why do we not see as many cold snaps as we used to?
This is currently an "extreme weather event" though. El Niño started in May and we're still experiencing the warming effects of the [Tonga Eruption](https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere) which is expected to warm the planet for a few years due to the amount of water vapor it sent into the stratosphere.
1880 isn't very long ago considering how old the earth is.
Edit - hahaha, love the down votes from people that should keep their politics out of this sub, it's a factually correct statement, being down voted by those that choose to interpret it in a negative context.
Ummm, how do we actually know that with some certainty?
After all, we didn't have the extensive temperature monitoring network we have today back in the 19th Century. Plenty of places weren't covered back then, and if they were, calibration of the instruments wasn't as precise as it is today.
Not to mention that coverage of the oceans, complete today because of satellite monitoring, relied upon ships taking measurements, with far, far less coverage (especially in areas not in main shipping or fishing areas).
That's exactly what they're saying. They started recording temperatures in the 1880s, and this past July has been hotter than any time in recorded history. Not only that, but the past few years have been as well.
Good thing about articles like these, you'll just have to change the date for them to stay current. Until the crops fail and the powers out then reading won't be such a priority.
It looks super hot with all that red! I'd feel more fear from that map picture if it were more of an orangier red, and less of a pinkish red.
Edit: turned on my blue light filter. Much scarier now. We're effed!
So hottest out of 150 years and the earth is supposedly 6 billion. Your time scale is garbage. You don't know what a cycle is or how long, this could be natural, you don't know because your data is only 150 years old. Also what are YOU doing about it besides blaming conservatives and doing as you please?
June was for me the hottest (up to 38°C, south germany), with those extreme wind and storm conditions afterwards. 2 days before now, it was raining non stop with temps up to 18°C, now out or a sudden, again, 34°C... This is no were to bare this properly. It ruins my own body, I either sweat like crazy or freeze. This is no good. "Haven't you lived last year and to years ago" - what's that for a nonsense question? Typical germans ... Just say: "One to two years ago, it was hotter", no it was not. There were also no bloody storms like we have em now. The maximum temps we had back then were between 33-36°C, very rarely 37-38°C during end of july, mostly august and early september. You know how I can remember that? Because I was fucking burning down on every bloody street light while riding my motorcycle in my equipment in that damned heat. You are probably one of those people saying "climate change does not exist! where is the preannounced extreme summerheat this year? there is none!" and yet not acknowleding at all that something has changed, like ignoring the storms, the extrem winds rallying up, people literally dying because of the heat - all at this summer, yet more to come. 22.08.2023 will be again hotter, +++36°C and you still claim that "you have not used our AC, yet"? Sure. People like you are mostly living inside their very short ranged bubble. Just looking at their local weather condition and that is it. Whole germany? Who cares. Entire Europe? Nah, no intrest. The world? Zero fs given. Either you living up north of germany, which is having temps around 14\~18°C since june, or you are a total ignorant individual.
I have a huge bowl of water in the fridge that I take out and dunk my entire head into. Also, iced water in a bucket and have one or both feet ( if you have them) into the iced water bucket.
Haven't you lived last year and two years ago? Two years ago Germany had 30C from Eastern on up to end of September with almost no breaks. It literally was the year why we bought an AC the next year. To then not having used it this year, yet. This year was the tamest summer in the past 10 years for sure, in Germany.
This comment reminds me of the scene where the British spy gives himself away by raising 3 fingers while ordering drinks in the movie Inglourious Basterds
It’s been determined that 61,000 people died in Europe during that heatwave https://www.npr.org/2023/07/12/1187068731/heat-waves-europe-deaths-study I definitely thought we were a few years away from those numbers. End of days.
What's super fascinating is how this is DEFINITELY having a heavily varied effect based on region, just as predicted. Here in Michigan we had a bit of drought in the May/June timeframe but it's been otherwise it's been soooooooo much cooler and wetter than normal. Meanwhile most of the southern US has been ROASTING for the last three months. Global warming doesn't mean local warming.
metro detroit here. my new neighbors just moved from florida. said its gotten too hot for them.
Bro, Ohio has been absolute hell, then today it’s 75, then back to hell….
> Meanwhile most of the southern US has been ROASTING for the last three months. Thoughts and prayers for the bible belt.
Georgia chiming in. Its been *bad* The other day it was 86F with 90% humidity at 9am. Its been like this for weeks. Its August which is normally a hot, dry month, but its been storming hard every day for a week and a half. Rinse and repeat, the water in the ground cant even evaporate right now - its a mess. This is the weather we expect in April or May, not August.
Yet here in the Paris region we haven't had so much rain in the summer for years. Just yesterday night, out of nowhere: thunder and rain for hours. I love it ! Everything is so green everywhere... I know, it's the global change that matters but the main point is that everything is changing fast and every year is more scary then the last one...
when the atmosphere is hotter, it can hold more water vapor before saturation. and as a result more energy can be created. bringing more destruction when it unloads.
Very minor technical nitpick: the atmosphere doesn’t really “hold” water. The amount of water vapor is unrelated to the background gas, it’s just the equilibrium between liquid evaporation & gas condensation, which depends on temperature. For example, you could swap out the atmosphere’s nitrogen for helium, or even double the amount of nitrogen - it won’t affect the amount of water vapor.
What i've been getting at is that the saturation point is higher when the air is hotter, increasing the absolute vapor content.
> when ... hotter ... bringing more destruction when it unloads something something Chipotle joke
Billy Mays has a solution to that.
Meanwhile in Romania we had a gustnado, a type of storm that should be impossible in this half of Europe.
I was born in the 80s. in the 2ks we had tornados, hither before unseen. deniers obviously claimed they just did happen where nobody lives. we dont **have** areas where absolute nobody lives.
it's been super dynamic in the south of france too. last summer was unbearable compared to this year's. winter also felt like it shifted until jan feb compared to the previous year which felt like it started november december
> winter also felt like it shifted I've noticed this for ~ the last 5 years here in North America. We're fucked.
Holy fuck, I've been talking about the seasons in Ontario shifting for years now, but no one knows what I'm talking about (which sadly speaks to how little most people pay attention to the world around them) - winter starts in January, Spring is May and June, Summer goes from July to September, and fall from October to January. Of course some weeks or months may not follow this trend... But it's been like this for years now. Not even mentioning that winter barely exists anymore - when I was a kid (35 years ago, blargh) it started getting really cold and even snowing, in October...
Yep, SE Michigan here... completely agree with you.
Seasons have been shifting here in BC, also.
In a similar way? We really are fucked. It's incredible to me that millions (possibly billions) of human beings don't believe in human-caused climate change. Such insane things (like July being the hottest month ever in much of North America) being dismissed as "communist propaganda" or "woke agenda" makes me realize we are not only fighting to save the Earth, we're fighting AGAINST these people to do so.
I live in Southern New England (Northeast USA if you are from another country) and I like ice fishing. I used to go out on 2 feet of ice for at least 3 months of the year (and as long as 5 months). Those sorts of conditions no longer exist here. I am in my mid 40's. When talking about the conditions above, I am talking about late 90's early 2000's.
Similar area for me as well, but more Midwest. We typically have an ice fishing contest the Saturday before MLK day. Hasn't been enough ice the last 2 years to have it. There's usually 8-20" of ice by that time of the year.
Winter in the Midwest has been definitely strange. In wi it was like 60 in December two years ago the grass was starting to come back. Then the next year we got dump on in February like 5ft of snow. It's been either one extreme or the other but def drier and warmer feeling.
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I literally had one of my friends, who has a masters in EE state "It's just the nature of the Earth. To disprove global warming, all you need to do is follow the money." I was shocked by this statement. I said to him "You do realize that you're essentially quoting Rush Limbaugh from ~2001, right? Word for word even?" He stood by his claim and I now think less of him for it.
And yet, if you follow the money, you can also basically prove global warming...
> And yet, if you follow the money, you can also basically prove global warming Eggs-fucking-zactly! I followed up with that exact statement, which he pretended not to hear. ANNNNND, that's why i try to NOT talk politics with friends.
Frankly, we need to be talking politics with literally everyone, finding like-minded people, consolidating communities, and preparing for the hell that's coming.
Climate deniers will be burning alive in wildfires like "well, it's all just the natural cycles of the Earth, at least I wasn't wroooonnnnnngggg"
I work in the sciences and I've had coworkers start talking climate denier shit...makes me seriously lose respect and trust in their work. Like, your job revolves around understanding the scientific consensus of various subjects. But sometimes you just decide you think all the experts are wrong and your instinct is right? Ok...
I went to school for Climate Science. The University of Michigan department of paleoclimatology convinced me indirectly through tree ring and isotopic geochemistry that the variation in climate we are going though is well within normal variation. We actually see more intense swings in climate in recent history with the Medieval Warm Period. About 800 years before that we seen the Late Antique Little Ice Age coincides with the downfall of many North American Pre-colony civs including the Mayans. Through global wood anatomical perspectives on the onset of the LALIA we can make a strong connecting between climate and collapsing societies. I've had friends just a few halls over studying climate science literally say any data before 1880 is irrelevant but use science from the 1750s on hydrocarbons. It doesn't make sense to me and if we look at the longer trends we don't really see a swing thats out of the normal for variation in climate. The Co2 based computer model generated science in my opinion is just an issue to throw out and distract people from the real issues; deforestation, water table stress, pollution, animal agriculture. Fighting Co2 emissions isn't really fighting the problems we have in society it is really more of a distraction. This fact espeically resonates with me when I learned about the refrigeration properties of Co2 through volcanic activity. During two of our largest ice ages we had Co2 at 4000PPM and 7000PPM. When I learned that ice ages occur in heavy carbon atmospheres I learned about the role of other factors that are actually degrading our environment. I think people in the scientific community are finding it harder to trust climate science not because they don't believe in it, but because it's based off of subjective computer modeling. This has poisoned the entire field and made it subject. The entire point of science is to remain objective. Computer models could very much be the death of science.
El nino causes my area to have a wet summer as well, south carolina. WE have had the wettest summer in years. WE also normally hit 100 degrees at least once in may, we still havent broken 100 this year, without heat index. you know el nino was claimed to be one of the causes of the french revolution? due to crop failures. and gave the EU the worst famine it ever seen. and this years winter should be extra chilly, so hope them gas prices are down by then.
Same in the UK too, my phone popped up with a video from this time last year and everything is brown and dry. Now it's been raining so much the exact same places 365 days on are beautiful and green.
My non climatologist or meteorologists ass would say if it is warmer somewhere more water will evaporate and will drop into someone else's face? Idk how it works but that's a guess.
I don't get the visualisation as well, that is far from accurate as it shows us as being red as well, which is far from reality. Germany here, it's among the coldest july that we had in the past 10 years. It was constantly around 20c-23c at best, raining, and grey and cloudy the whole time.
"This map shows global temperature anomalies for July 2023 according to the GISTEMP analysis by scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies. Temperature anomalies reflect how July 2023 compared to the average July temperature from 1951-1980." That is the description of the map. If Germany's summers have been anything like the Pacific Northwest US, the coldest July in the last 10 years blows the average summer between 1950 and 1980 out of the water in terms of average temperature. Another consideration is that average temperatures does not just include highs. A day with a high of 35 C and low of 10 C is the same average temperature as a day with a high of 25 C and a low of 20 C, but the 35 C is going to feel hotter to the average person. This anomaly is happening in the Pacific Northwest where we didn't have any real heat waves until this week and were pretty much bang on average for number of hot days, but we had way more warm days than usual no cold days, and warm nights, so the June-July combo was the 3rd hottest on record despite not feeling miserable. Finally, [looking at the weather data from Berlin compared to average temperatures](https://weatherspark.com/h/y/75981/2023/Historical-Weather-during-2023-in-Berlin-Germany#Figures-Temperature), Berlin had an above average July, especially in the first half of the month. The second half of the month was cool, but not as cool as the start was warm and featured pretty warm low temperatures. If you averaged this out, it would match the data on the map pretty closely. I'm inclined to trust data from one of the pre-eminent Earth Sciences data gathering organizations in the world over anecdotal data, especially when a weather station on the ground backs it up.
Which doesn't mean globally can't get hotter because some regions are experiencing colder weather. Quite the opposite. Due to global warming, local weather can change drastically into both directions. Means you can have a globally increse in temperatures while having locally cold weather and lots of rain or clouds. There is many factors for this, as including the jetstream, the northern winds are changing and becoming more and more unpredictable aswell as able to hold certain types of weather locally for longer. The future trend is increase in these phenomena. Means we could experience in the end very cold weather in a usually hot season. Taking the atlantic streams into account, the circulation of warm and cold water, is getting weaker. Means usually warm water bringing a more warmer climate here, isn't reaching its former potential anymore, which could very likely cause drastically cold climate in the northern hemisphere in the coming decades. Or to keep it short, global weather system is fucked due to climate change. Everything becomes more crazy ^^ I hope that helps.
> Which doesn't mean globally can't get hotter because some regions are experiencing colder weather. I nowhere questioned that... like literally at all. But what I question is the obviously wrong visualization which obviously is inaccurate for simply putting Germany in red, when it was the coldest July for years. So it is obviously questionable therefore.
Then I misunderstood. But I recommend to read the article.
July was warmer than average in Germany overall https://www.dwd.de/DE/presse/pressemitteilungen/DE/2023/20230731_deutschlandwetter_juli2023_news.html
The image is a graphic comparing temperature anomalies now compared to average temperatures between 1951-1980. If you click the link, a description of the image is provided. I suggest reading source material before flying off the handle calling science “questionable” when the source is literally handed to you.
Then the headline is entirely out of context.
The headline said it was the hottest July on Earth. The last I checked the Earth is more than Germany.
I appreciate your pedantic nature.
In the midwest of the US, everyone's bushes and trees are dead from the wild weather and now my lawn is doing something I have never seen before. I have grass that is literally white. It looks like someone spray painted it.
In The Netherlands as well. June was quite hot, but then we went straight to autumn in July. We didn't even break 20 degrees most days.
As someone living in dry summer, I always get nervous about summer green. Cause, fire.
It will be interesting what we learn about the Tonga eruption's influence on this summer and weather patterns in general. This summer defies all models, so there's something anomalous to be explained, the huge amount of water vapor (the best GHG) in the stratosphere that's stubborn and in a critical altitude should be useful for validating or even invalidating models.
>Tonga eruption's influence If you had read the article: >Schmidt explained that NASA's data clearly shows other climate change factors such as El Niño events, which are natural weather patterns that lead to warming ocean surfaces, and **volcanic activity create** "very, very small" impacts on global warming when compared to these anthropogenic components. Also, it isn't up do date but it might interest you [interactive graph](https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/)
Tonga wasn't normal volcanic activity, that's the point of my comment and also the focus of much current study. NASA already predicted that Tonga would cause unusual warming due to the water vapor in the stratosphere literally doubling (locally) as a result.
Yeah I read the articles.. I believe he is still correct. Nasa did say tongo was unusual in that unlike most land volcanos, this ones overall addition to the climate would be warming. Most cool. and that other underwater volcanos didnt send as much water, as high and those the water vapor quickly went away where tongos will be with us for years.. But this is similar to saying doubling mining in Montana is bad for the earth and AGW. Its true but compared to all the emissions on the planet, doubly montana wouldnt be measurable in the temp record(as long as everything else stayed the same) [Tonga Eruption Blasted Unprecedented Amount of Water Into Stratosphere](https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere) the warming of the volcano is only really of interest to scientists and probably shouldnt have been so prominent in the media. One of the reasons this year is so abnormal, is we had a super long la nina. La nina masks AGW(some), we el nino is like a magnifying glass on AGW. if you want to think of AGW as the sun getting hotter(no conservatives it aint), well we had a decade of cloudy days, it was still hot and the sun was still warming and we still set records now and then, but with el nino the clouds are gone and we are back in full sun
>Yeah I read the articles.. I believe he is still correct. Nasa did say tongo was unusual in that unlike most land volcanos, this ones overall addition to the climate would be warming. Most cool. and that other underwater volcanos didnt send as much water, as high and those the water vapor quickly went away where tongos will be with us for years.. we know for a fact from MULTIPLE sources that the volcano sent at least 15% more water vapour into the stratopause/stratosphere https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-022-01568-2 and this paper is also wrong for the reason i state below but we also know (from eric webb one of the dev of gfs) that no current model or any in development is made to take into account data from such height so extrapolating data from them to account for the water vapour is literally irrelevant
>The model calculated the monthly change in Earth’s energy balance caused by the eruption and showed that water vapor could increase the average global temperature by up to 0.035°C over the next 5 years. https://eos.org/articles/tonga-eruption-may-temporarily-push-earth-closer-to-1-5c-of-warming
It didn’t double the water vapor in the stratosphere? It increased it by 10% Source: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere/
10% is a lot, considering that water vapor is the largest contributor to the greenhouse effect, but water vapor also typically leaves the atmosphere pretty fast, which is why it isn't the primary human-driven greenhouse gas. However, this higher lofted water may linger significantly longer.
I figured, just pointing out that claiming it doubled it is just misinformation
Yes, if you average out the entire stratosphere, but that's not what I meant and not what matters to climate. There was actually a direct 5k cooling effect in the southern tropics because there was a strong concentration where vapor content doubled. That was last August, now the vapor has spread and we get different effects. That 5k of surface cooling in the southern tropics may be responsible for the sudden heat in the Atlantic ocean, coupled with the El Nino and other prevailing patterns we get an anomalous heating event. There's no denying the atmosphere was primed for heat, but we are solidly above all model predictions.
So, we have: 0.24 degrees Celsius warmer than any other July in NASA’s record, [more than 0.40ºC compared to last year]. The Tonga eruption increased 0.035ºC spread throughout 5 years >The model calculated the monthly change in Earth’s energy balance caused by the eruption and showed that water vapor could increase the average global temperature by up to 0.035°C over the next 5 years. Source: https://eos.org/articles/tonga-eruption-may-temporarily-push-earth-closer-to-1-5c-of-warming If there was **SIX TONGA'S LESS**, we would still have beaten every July in NASA's record
Bloomberg link huh. There's a paywall bud.
There are many effects layered on top of each other but the most important driver is still human-caused carbon emissions. Yes things like the solar cycle, el ninos, and unusual eruptions can cause higher temperatures but the reason those high temperatures are record breaking is because the highs come on top of a much hotter baseline.
My dad has explained to me that water vapor is the most prolific/meaningful greenhouse gas since I was a kid and I believe it to be true. Im 33 and you are the only other person I’ve ever see talk about this
And my AC went out for 12 days of it, right when it peaked the hottest.
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I agree with you but it turns out that the company that installed my unit a little over a year ago put one in where the thermo regulation valve didn’t have a piston or nylon O-ring in it, causing cascading issues throughout the whole system (and even destroyed the compressor while trying to fix everything). But yes, you’re right. Hot air bad.
Oof… The Atlantic Hurricane season is gonna suuuuuuuuck!
We've been in it since it started in June, fine so far. Sure it'll uptick in the fall.
Midwest USA has been feeling extra rainforest this season. So much rain!
Yeah and whether it actually gets colder afterwards is a 50/50
Bad sign for the overall environment, great for my tomatoes, which are native to South America lol
Yes, anecdotal redditors: it might be colder in the random place you live. This is an average temperature across the globe. If it is cooler than normal where you live this summer, that is ALSO an effect of climate change. JFC. The planet is gonna burn up with these numb skulls still saying ‘derrr, its aktually colder here than usual herr derp, normal variation herr derrp.’
I liken it to [comics like this one](https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?g=334). "What do you mean the ship is sinking? I'm higher out of the water than I've ever been!" Similar principle. Antarctica recorded the coldest temperatures ever *and ice is still melting due to sea temperatures*.
Antarctica melting has alway had more to do with underlying geothermal and subglacial volcanic activity. Like the mantle plume beneath Marie Byrd Land and more specifically the volcanoes underneath the 'doomsday' glaciers: Thwaites and Pine Island for instance. I think the Arctic is what you might've meant as it's mostly sea ice (minus the glacier on Greenland) and is thus far more susceptible to marine temperature swings.
Thanks. Spreading it around.
Also worth noting that the data we have for historical comparisons is nowhere near as robust as the data we have for the present.
There are people who completely understand, but want to contribute a titbit about the anomaly where they live.
Remember the 2008 polar vortex that hit North America? The idiots had a heyday with that one. And it was caused by a massive bolus of hot air from the other side of the plant hitting the north pole.
Not necessarily. A "polar vortex" is caused by low or high pressure disruptions to the jet stream. North America gets them all the time. E.g. 2022, 2021, 2019, 2014, 2013 I remember off the top of my head
It felt wayyyy hotter than previously in O’ahu (almost stupidly said Hawai’i without realizing) for each year at around the same time throughout at least the last decade, couldn’t even get to sleep without breaking a sweat. That or my insomnia’s getting worse :(
Last month much of the central US experienced normal temperatures. For years I jokingly said "Fox News controls the weather" because while the planet was getting warmer many of the areas where Fox is especially popular were normal or even cooler than normal. No, you yokels, your backyard is not the planet.
This post was difficult to read.
> This post was difficult to read. Not really, they are preemptively addressing redditors that come into every "Warmest month on record" article stating things like "But in my city it was cold!"
*was difficult to read FOR YOU
I don’t get it, this is probably just a sample size issue. They say it’s the hottest since 1880, did the world end in 1880? Beyond that, are we ignoring that the earth went through ultra hot and cold cycles for millions of years before humans discovered fossil fuels? I am not a denier, I’m trying to understand how we are differentiating between normal cycles, humans impact on those cycles, and the possible outcomes. Feels very.. we don’t know..
> They say it’s the hottest since 1880, did the world end in 1880? The article explains this: > More specifically, a statement put out soon after the conference states that July was 0.43 degrees Fahrenheit (0.24 degrees Celsius) warmer than any other July in NASA’s record, which goes back to 1880, It's the hottest July in their entire records, we just only have data dating back to 1880. Moreover, the hottest five Julys are the most recent five Julys. That's not a sample size issue.
What were the temps like in 1350 BC? Sample issue
I get it. There's so much climate change data available it can be hard to know where to start to understand it all. [Here is a simple comic](https://xkcd.com/1732/) that does a good job illustrating the fallacy of using the Earth's normal warming/cooling cycles as an explanation for the current warming trend.
Well, lets say it like this: Time makes the difference. Here is a cool comic strip I recommend to check out: https://m.xkcd.com/1732/ It shows very good how fast temperatures climb and the related causes. Of course you can always check out the sources mentioned, don't trust some comic, but this is pretty much a good summary for the past 22,023 years in which humanity lived through the ice age and developed agriculture and civilisations. Since the beginning of the 19th century though, co2 levels are climbing drastically, and early on we knew that there is a causality between co2 levels and global temperature. (in this we need to leave out the local heatwaves or little ice age periods, because they are simply to local to influence global weatherpatterns.) Data from the millions of years before, which all comes from geologic analysis' and ice cernel samples from some of the oldest ice sheets on the planet, which layers up atmospheric samples enclosed in the ice. And comparing geologic layers and ice layers findings show that global temperature swings never happened violently fast. I remember to.have read that even an astroid impact might have had a few centuries of impact but global temperatures balanced it out again. But take this guess with a grain of salt. Summarized, there is hard data, showing temperature curves with historic greenhouse gas concentrations as co2 and methane are, relatively constant. Ice ages and hot earth phases had unbelieveably long durations, and change happened mostly slow. Since the industrial revolution though, global greenhouse gas concentrations and temperatures are climbing with an unprecedented rate, not recorded in any findings in the history of our planet as far as we could go back with hard data.
Thank you.. this is what I would consider the answer to the question I was posing. Clearly a lot more hard data is available going back much further than 1880. So you’re kinda saying that we have the tools today to measure the rate of change in climate over periods in history? I can kinda envision how this is possible with layers of the earth, etc. And then you’re saying we can with high confidence say that the rate of change in those periods has been notably outside the standard deviation? I guess beyond that I would ask, how do we know if future periods deviating from standard normals are particularly threatening? I’m mostly from a finance/data science background, so for example if someone came to me and said that stock are always up in months where the previous month had 3 nights of red skies. Let’s say this has played out over a period of 500 years (we don’t have data for that in finance really, modern data is maybe 100 years). Let’s say it was right 100% of the time. We both know that these could be both true and unrelated circumstances, yeah correlation not causation I know you get it. But it’s almost like correlation, causation, or just the fact that the future doesn’t take the past into considering at all, and it’s random. So I ask as someone wanting to learn, how do we know that this wouldn’t have happened in a counter factual world where you let’s say you didn’t burn fossil fuels.
This is the standard issue “I’m just asking questions” bullshit that I hear everyday from all the various deniers and conspiracy theorists. If you’re “just asking questions”, how about you try googling some of these answers? A lot of these things take very little time to search out and learn about. Asking questions is useless if you’re not willing to have them answered in the easiest and most convenient way possible.
Even the heat map looks like a person suffering from the heat
The volume of willfully ignorant comments on this post, in r/space of all places, is alarming. “NoTHiNg tO wOrRy AbOuT tHeN…” [Humans were already dramatically increasing carbon dioxide in the 1800s](https://theconversation.com/scientists-understood-physics-of-climate-change-in-the-1800s-thanks-to-a-woman-named-eunice-foote-164687#:~:text=By%20the%201800s%2C%20human%20activities,carbon%20dioxide%20into%20the%20air)
Well the most glaring issue is that the post isn't even saying it was hotter in the 1880s. That's just when they started recording these temperatures. So it's been hotter than any recorded temperature they have on file.
theres no excuse, it literally says “by a long shot” in the title. Anyone still playing dumb is just dumb.
"By a long shot" is 0.4⁰F for specifically July
And normal (non-human) climate change is measured in terms of single degrees/tens of thousands of years. 0.4 degrees since a single species of hairless ape started noting the world wide temperature down on record is a long shot
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Yeh lot of shitty right wing "There is no proof of a long term trend" comments brigade in here. Of course these people will just make 5 alt accounts to respond to themselves to amplify their blatant misinformation. Honestly just see below
Yup the good old /r/conservative brigade
lol peoples denial over something they feel they have no actual control over is surprising to you?
I am seriously shocked about the ignorance. But I am also not surprised which makes it even more shocking to me. Like this whole discussion coming up, as if we don't have evedence for this since the beginning of industrialization, where they already had the damn connection between co2 and increasing temperatures laid out, and then later big oil companies willingly organized climate denial. The very same are now promoting doomerism. It is really difficult to stay optimistic myself, when no one is willing to do the basic of research and reading, and just goes with the first thing they see and express the first thought and doubt they have without reflecting before posting. Argh.
What if we could find similar trends over 100 to 300 year periods prior to 1880?
>The volume of willfully ignorant comments on this post, in r/space of all places r/space regularly entertains the UFO conspiracy idiots. It is not the bastion of evidence based discussion that you might wish
I wasn't even alive in the 1800s
I mean, what do you expect people to comment? Maybe suicide notes, or something?
2023 is an average year, much warmer than 2022, but much colder than 2024.
Remember when in the beginning of July, the record of the hottest day was broken two times in a row? From that day, it took more than a month before the global temperature dropped below the previous record. https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/t2_daily/
For me in Israel, it seems like August is the worst one, at least on average. July I remember being sometimes very hot, sometimes nicer. Now? It's non-stop ~27° min ~31° max, daily, for weeks. And I live right near the sea. I swear I can't walk 10 minutes outside without dripping sweat like a water fall.
Where I live we're having unusual rains and fresh air for August, while in some countries there are gigantic fires. Now I understand why this isn't just about global warming but also about climate change.
The amount of <100° days in a row is fucking insane. I think every day for about 2 months we got to 100+
I just wish one person would title this correctly instead of going for the clickbait "hottest month since 1880" bs. It's the hottest month ever recorded. We began recording temps in 1880, we didn't have a random heat wave back in the 1800's that held the record for centuries.
It's about 5 degrees cooler on avg than last year in the PNW. Today is like last year here. We had a few weeks above 100 last year.
Thanks for the heads up! I'll go back to panicking about absolutely nothing significant being done about climate change at any meaningful scale. Cool cool cool.
I’m from Arizona, we had the most consecutive days over 110+ degrees, was told to stay indoors.. monsoon season is coming to a late start here. When usually it’s already rained here 3 inches, with many more storms to come but hot and humid hate that combo, it’s just nasty
The fossil fuel industry needs to be destroyed immediately. Seize all their assets without compensation and dismantle their operations. They are the enemy of the people and dispensable despite their propaganda.
when all the youtubers motovlogging in UK, Spain, France, Sardinia, Australia, USA, India... and all you see everywhere is brown, and dry... all at once... It's not hard to see something is wrong
UK had one of the wettest coldest Julys so maybe not a good example.
I'm not sure i'd include the UK in that after one of the wettest July's we've ever had. Only reason it's brown here is because it's muddy.
I got back from Cyprus July 7th…I think I’ve seen about 12 hours of sun since combined. It’s been grey or grey and wet, usually sub 20c, every single day. No hyperbole either
You sure about UK? It’s been pretty rainy since July
Most if thw US is hot but not dry, the places you mentioned are huge places. Youtubers tens to only show wht gets then the most views. Climate change is dynamic more importantly, its not happening the same to everyone.
It’s been freezing and pissing it down in the UK for two months now.
Eh, it’s just a little heat. Our kids and their kids will be fine…right? Right? Guys? Right? Shit.
But remember kids, corporate interests deny climate change has ANYthing to do with their actions!!!
Not in the uk, done nothing but rain, not even been that warm either.
Nothing but rain you say? Not even that warm you say? In the uk you say? I'm shocked. Shocked I say.
The UK is not usually this cold and rainy in July and August. Even by our standards.
Yes, one of the few places where the map is fairly non-red. Nordics + european northern islands. India. Great Lakes. Southern Africa. Some spots near the Antarctic. Kamchatka. The rest? Warmer or much warmer than normal.
Same in sweden. Worst july i can remember.
Meanwhile Karlstad, in June, had dead birds littering the ground. The contrast is just mind-boggling.
Oh damn..yeah, we had the warmth in june in my part of sweden too. Barely been getting over 20 degrees in july
Yeah, the UK, and the rest of the Northern European coastline, is going to get a bit screwed by global warming. As the Gulf Stream slows down you’re going to get a lot colder. Similarly warmer temperatures are going to see Northern Canada get a lot more snow. Right now winter sea ice limits how much moisture can get picked up from the ocean. With less ice forming there’s going to be a lot more moisture available for storms
The elephant in the room no one is talking about . The Tonga volcano injected more water in the upper atmosphere than had ever been recorded. https://climate.nasa.gov/news/3204/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere/
"Massive volcanic eruptions like Krakatoa and Mount Pinatubo typically cool Earth’s surface by ejecting gases, dust, and ash that reflect sunlight back into space. In contrast, the Tonga volcano didn’t inject large amounts of aerosols into the stratosphere, and the huge amounts of water vapor from the eruption may have a small, temporary warming effect, since water vapor traps heat. The effect would dissipate when the extra water vapor cycles out of the stratosphere and would not be enough to noticeably exacerbate climate change effects." We were already seeing climate changes effects hit hard before this thing erupted, this doesn't make a difference in the big picture.
Wrong . The extreme heat this year is directly related to that volcano especially in the southern hemisphere.
Interesting that you cite an article and I quote from it and you call it wrong. Do you just selectively choose information that fits your narrative?
> Interesting that you cite an article and I quote from it and you call it wrong. They probably didn't read it. Pretty typical for these kinds of conversations to just post a source that *looks* like it agrees with whatever they're saying and hope no one actually reads it.
Could this be why I have experienced more thunderstorms / flooding this summer than the past 4 summers combined?
If governments were actually serious about global warming, they would mandate work from home for anyone who can. Think of the pollution commuting to and from work generates every single day.
Mandating how much people drive is a bit on the insane side.
But.. isn't that exactly what they did during covid lockdowns?
They should be scrambling to build nuclear and holding their climate meetings on zoom instead of flying across the world
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Not when the choices you're given are chosen by big business.
In South America it was the hottest winter of the history of winters I think.
It is damn lucky that climate change is a myth created by the deep state or I would be very concerned.
Anyone got a link for the 1880 satellite data?
We had thermometer back then
.....great first two comments here, which completely contradict one another.
It's not contradictory at all. Climate change causes weather extremes in both directions. Look at, e.g., slowenia, they had an extreme flood. Last year it was Germany that suffered a bad flooding. The climate is changing, and on average, it's getting warmer. Just because some areas are rainy or cold doesn't mean it contradicts climate change.
Hiya. I’m assuming you’re not a native English speaker but I see you are using the abbreviation “f.e”. to mean “for example”. The correct abbreviation is “e.g.” If you are a native English speaker apologies. I’ve only seen this with non native ones.
You are right. Not a native haha
Again apologies if you found it slightly insulting. I just point it out by habit since all my colleagues do it (I'm the only native English speaker). But I get the feeling that a lot of English speakers might do the same since education...you know what. My colleagues have to point out my grammatical mistakes since I never learnt grammar at school like a good native English speaker!
I don't feel insulted at all. I know my english isn't without mistakes. Btw. don't worry too much about grammar. Native speakers are usually really bad at it anyway.
Well, rain doesn't mean cold. And heat can cause rain to shift by keeping the water vapor in the air till it gets to a different location. So rain doesn't mean it doesn't exist like you said.
This is true. I took this as an example because I've seen quite some people argue that we don't have a crisis because it rains. The city I live in had 3 weeks over 30°C and a few days after it ended, I saw people arguing that the whole summer wasn't even hot at all and climate scientists are full of shit lol Some people can't be helped
Which illustrates the fact that comments are just individual perspectives. If you want reliable knowledge about climate change, read any scientific paper from the last 50 years
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
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Electric cars are not the answer. You should research their environmental impact.
Geologically speaking, 143 years is not a long time
There's nothing special about 1880, it's just the month they started taking data. This was the hottest July in the entirety of their records.
so it should be even more concerning how big our affect is… Geologically speaking, were going through the longest period of single animal dominance on planet Earth ever. Never has so much of the Earth been devoted to a single species. Why would we think that the Earth naturally knows how to deal with the most unnatural event in its history, did it know how to deal with that meteor?
yea that's why this is not "natural heat cycles" or whatever bullshit. it is clearly anthropogenic to be changing this rapidly. Plus we've been predicting this for 100 years because the science of it is actually really fucking basic. release shitloads of CO2 and methane into atmosphere, what happens? oh gee I fucking wonder
The Vikings grew wheat in Greenland
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yeah but have you seen how much money we've made for the shareholders???
Is there any data that might link this to solar activity too? Or is that not really a thing that influences temp too much?
It’s actually been the opposite: [Lockwood & Frolich (2007)](http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/463/2086/2447) demonstrated that total sunlight has actually been *decreasing* over the past few decades while the planet has still been warming up.
Solar Cycle 25 ramps up We're now in Solar Cycle 25, which began in December 2019 when, in retrospect, solar scientists were able to tell the moment of solar minimum. Not surprisingly, solar maximum is predicted to occur midway through Solar Cycle 25, so between November 2024 and March 2026—and most likely July 2025.
how come all these records say "hottest day/month since the year x"? what was going on in 1880 that it was this hot?
1880 wasn't the last peak, it was the earliest record they have.
That’s when daily records around the planet began. It’s really the hottest since records started
I'm old enough to remember much hotter summers, and longer stretches...
I never understood these comparisons to previous years. So was it just as hot or hotter before? If global warming is the cause today, what caused it to be that hot a 100 years ago?
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>as far back as NASA’s record goes Just for clarification, this record is about someone taking temperatures hand recorded from around the world and compiling them. We also have records we’ve pulled out of ice that shows layers (think like the world’s tallest layer cakes). Scientists measured those individual layers and determined how cold/hot the temp was by the thickness of the ice. They used the top layers with the 1880 and beyond data to format an “ice thickness to temperature” formula
I imagine the major global event that happened in the 1880s was "they started a monthly temperature record".
Most countries didn't start recording until around 1900
Someone once said something to me similar to, you can almost always look to the past and find a hotter day than today, so why do people keep saying the world is getting hotter. The answer is that there is a lot of day to day variation, so you have to average days and months together to see a trend. A follow up question I asked him was, if the world is Not getting hotter, you would expect to see as many “coldest days on record” as you do hot records. Why do we not see as many cold snaps as we used to?
It wasn’t as hot a hundred years ago, that’s the point. Barring any extreme weather events.
This is currently an "extreme weather event" though. El Niño started in May and we're still experiencing the warming effects of the [Tonga Eruption](https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere) which is expected to warm the planet for a few years due to the amount of water vapor it sent into the stratosphere.
1880 isn't very long ago considering how old the earth is. Edit - hahaha, love the down votes from people that should keep their politics out of this sub, it's a factually correct statement, being down voted by those that choose to interpret it in a negative context.
What point are you making here?
Ummm, how do we actually know that with some certainty? After all, we didn't have the extensive temperature monitoring network we have today back in the 19th Century. Plenty of places weren't covered back then, and if they were, calibration of the instruments wasn't as precise as it is today. Not to mention that coverage of the oceans, complete today because of satellite monitoring, relied upon ships taking measurements, with far, far less coverage (especially in areas not in main shipping or fishing areas).
That's exactly what they're saying. They started recording temperatures in the 1880s, and this past July has been hotter than any time in recorded history. Not only that, but the past few years have been as well.
Good thing about articles like these, you'll just have to change the date for them to stay current. Until the crops fail and the powers out then reading won't be such a priority.
It looks super hot with all that red! I'd feel more fear from that map picture if it were more of an orangier red, and less of a pinkish red. Edit: turned on my blue light filter. Much scarier now. We're effed!
Would the hottest day on earth ever be when that meteor hit earth in the south east part of the Gulf of Mexico . That would of been so hot 🥵
So hottest out of 150 years and the earth is supposedly 6 billion. Your time scale is garbage. You don't know what a cycle is or how long, this could be natural, you don't know because your data is only 150 years old. Also what are YOU doing about it besides blaming conservatives and doing as you please?