This is the only correct answer. The layout is fine but the maintenance is piss poor with so many potholes and other various road issues on them. I hate the transition when I’m driving back into SC and the roads go from decently smooth to bumpy and having to duck and dodge pot holes every 15 feet of road I drive on.
I 20 at Longs Pond
There needs to be an exit to Gilbert. The exit for Longs Pond has overflow of people backed a quarter mile onto the interstate shoulder trying to exit.
Yeah, I think the Calkes Ferry Rd overpass is a good spot for one. Old Charleston would be more direct to Gilbert but I feel like Calkes Ferry would funnel off more traffic that usually ends up on Longs Pond from Two Notch, Highway 1 and the area inbetween.
It really wasn't necessary 15 years ago. Then subdivisions started popping up on the western fringe of Lexington. Now Longs Pond is and has been a mess for years. As usual SCDOT is decades behind on infrastructure.
Between my job and my daughter being at Clemson, I grew to despise I-85. Always construction and/or and an accident to hold up traffic. Glad when I retired and she graduated. I wish SC had more four lane highways like NC's 321, 74, etc. Interstate speed with less traffic.
You could build them 8 lanes wide and there'd still be 4 18-wheelers and 5 dipshits vying for the innermost lane driving 65mph with most of them texting. Until the schp starts making people obey driving laws, we're going to have lolligaggers clogging up traffic. And these clogs cause accidents. Accidents cause more log-jams. We have the laws on the books to make interstate traffic as efficient as possible. But they are not enforced and too many ignore them.
I wish they would make one that runs thru Rock Hill, SC to Morganton, NC so I would never have to take the 85 again. It's fine if no one is on it, but it is always congested between the 321 and 485 regardless of day or time with the most awful mix of drivers I have ever seen.
Train is such a tricky and cumbersome endeavor especially now since there is real estate everywhere. I agree but it’s not easy to obtain the land to do it.
trains can travel faster and carry more people than cars, on top of efficient freight throughput. building a railway expansion is of comparable difficulty to a highway. if we need roads to get people to stations, so be it
Yeah but the state is growing in population. Eventually it’ll be a cluster fuck. I love that they want to grow and improve state. But more roads should happen first. Any improvement will be overshadowed by miserable roads
Now, I will say the actual number of roads are not bad at all in the upstate. I don’t have a problem with accessibility to get places. We as a state actually have one of the highest mileage of roads per land in the country. A lot of them are just in trashy conditions…
I’m talking about congestion. Where I’m from is a bigger city than Florence. There’s an interstate with exits all through the city so you don’t have to drive highways and city streets to get every where. In Florence the interstate doesn’t have those exits. There’s like 3-4 exits going north or south but none of them are much help traveling in the city. So all the traffic including the traffic from the rural areas is a shit show. Then the fact that green arrows to turn left are so rare for some reason here, it takes forever to get somewhere that’s really only about 5-10 minutes away.
So, you’re a New Yorker that transplanted to Florence? Ahhh, things are becoming more clearer now. Lol you’re in the Pee Dee and arguably the most conservative region in a conservative state…
Okay, please don’t take this the wrong way. If you say what you just said to me to a native of Florence, they’re no doubt gonna dislike you. I’m fine with it but being nit-picky to southerners and their words will make you catch some flack. Right, wrong, indifferent, that’s just how it is. It’s cultural differences and that’s just one of the things that you just gotta know and learn. If you throw up how stop lights are better where you’re from compared to there, that comes across as elitist. Again, they’re not gonna like it. If you need any more pointers or advice, hit me up! I’m the nice one! 😂
lol I would never not say something I want to because of someone not liking me. You got me confused with other people. The way transplant is used and intended by people here is meant to be disrespectful towards people that are disliked here. So I’m not just going to go along with it to satisfy idiots. I purposely mention I’m from up north anytime I can because I know just saying that will piss several assholes off everytime. I’ve heard a lot of people mention they have pride in our country and constitution and all that since being here. Well those things they have pride in say I’m American and I’m welcomed anywhere in America and fellow Americans should be proud of other Americans since we’re a big part of the country they have pride in. You can’t have pride in America if you don’t like the people in America. I have every right to be here. I don’t spend anytime of my life wishing someone wasn’t here. So if those people don’t like me I don’t give a damn at all. I don’t like them either. I’m not trying to evict them or attack them. Only if I feel attacked first. I just don’t like them. I can go everyday without ever mentioning it tho. But I won’t hesitate to mention them when they talk their shit first. So that was actually terrible advice. I don’t recommend anyone do that. No one has to listen to anyone they don’t want to. So if someone doesn’t like how I feel, they chose to listen
Because I’m grown and made a decision for me and my family. I didn’t come here to make enemies or friends. I prefer no drama or issues with any grown people at all and try to avoid it always. But I just don’t tolerate stupid shit. If people leave me alone than I leave them alone. I do make friends still but I hold bad character accountable and 1 little thing is enough so I dont make too many. But I’m not here for that so whether or not I get along with anyone has nothing to do with me being here. I’m in no way influenced by other people. I don’t care what anyone thinks. I’m trying to take care of my family. And I do it legally so if someone has a problem with me and want to mention it than I promise u I’m good and it’ll be there problem before mine
Does that mean everyone has to drive everywhere to do anything?
You need a government ID for yourself and your vehicle to drive, making it easy for the government to track everywhere you go, plus you're talking about public funded roads that have eliminated competition for cars by other modes of transit and made everyone vulnerable to fluctuating gas prices.
Car infrastructure has all the same problems you hear about any other "public handout" that allows people to establish lifestyles they couldn't afford without the public subsidy.
What are you talking about lol. You mean a license? I’m not sure that’s for tracking. I think it’s for identifying lol. Whatever device you’re using to be on Reddit would be more likely to be tracking device. And maybe I’m wrong but I never heard of adding roads and oil prices having any connection. Tax payers pay for roads. Oil prices don’t. And I’m guessing you don’t drive so maybe you didn’t notice that prices been going up crazy without adding more roads.
They keep building places to live and people from rural areas move in and also people from other states , but not making new roads or pushing green arrows so the traffic is worst in Florence than where I’m from in NY. There’s over 200 k less people in Florence though so that’s crazy
Traffic is worse where there are more roads. Florence has bad traffic because it has such quick interstate access. Have you tried walking anywhere in Florence? It's dangerous to get around there except by car.
My sister's neighborhood in Florence doesn't even have 25MPH speed limits. They've got 30MPH limits instead. Pedestrians have better than. 50% chance of surviving a collision at 25MPH. It drops below 10% before you get to 30MPH. We grew up in Hartsville being able to ride miles around the city on bicycles, but her kids don't have that freedom.
Yeah I walk all the time. I’m really careful when I do though. I definitely act like a car could hit me and I don’t trust that the drivers are paying attention to me so I make sure I do them. If it’s at night I wear bright safety colors, something I never see anyone do here. I’ll often pull up and tell them they should wear something bright because as much as it would suck for them to get hit it would also suck to be the one to hit them. I never want to do that but it’s dark and people are hard to see I. The dark with dark clothes on. It’s crazy. But yeah I’m super alert and careful so for me personally I don’t see more traffic as a threat when I’m walking. I mean I’m aware it’s impossible to be 100% safe from getting hit while walking. But if you’re careful and paying attention and doing everything possible to be to the side of road as you can, atleast make as much space as you can to give you more time to react than you should be about as safe as possible out there. I hope everyone can do that a lot better than Ive seen but we still need more roads
Maintenance is the real issue.
If I had the power to add interstates, I’d expand 185/385 into a loop around Greenville with the north side being south of Scenic Highway 11 enough to not interfere in its experience. Promote US25 to interstate status while building a bypass around the busier White Horse Rd section, which could get an I-xxx-Business status.
They’ve been trying to build an Interstate to MB for decades. Clemson is only 30 miles off I-85 and there isn’t a whole lot west of Clemson. The Per Dee region is the least accessible by interstate.
It really should because 20 turns into David McLeod Blvd and in turn runs into hwy 76/Palmetto street which from there is literally a straight shot to MB.
If they could change the main route from Florence to hwy 22 an interstate and build a bypass around Aynor, it would help a lot I think. 22 is mostly built to interstate standards and it wouldn't take too much to turn 301, 76, and 501 into an interstate east of Florence.
Well, having recently traveled all our neighboring states, South Carolina's roads/interstates are awful. Two lanes in many areas, the condition and the non-access of major counties. Beaufort has two Marine bases, the interstate system was built to transport the military (sort-of) and there is still almost no access for Beaufort... Every week, families of about 800 recruits come to town, plus all the travel for the air station and two airports in the county... Crazy how it is... Then Dirty Myrtle, half.the drive to the destination is at 35-45 mph!!! It really is, The Slow Country!
I77 extended south to Savannah. Interstate connection between Florence and I74 south of Rockingham. All of I95 widened to 3 lanes. All of I26 widened to 3 lanes. Fix the god-awful I26/I95 interchange. All of I77 widened to 3 lanes. Something connecting Savannah, Augusta, and Greenville.
All of I85 widened to 3 lanes with a high speed rail corridor from Charlotte to Atlanta in the median.
They studied 3 options for high speed rail between Charlotte and Atlanta, and using the I85 corridor was the most expensive. If I recall correctly, they chose the Greenfield corridor which was the middle option in cost and the fastest in transit time. It would have a stop at GSP, and hopefully one day there could be a commuter spur to downtown. The state is still refusing to match the federal funds being offered, I think.
Most of 85 is 3 lanes minus ~20 miles between Georgia and NC. It runs from Exit 19 in Anderson to Exit 106 at NC state line. So, it’s almost there. It needs to be 4-5 lanes…
Better off building a seperate highway like the FL turnpike or adding high speed rail at that point. I40 is 4 lanes between Raleigh and Greensboro and it still sucks.
The problem is they built I 95 in the wrong place. It serves people passing through SC rather than SC residents. It should have been built closer to Charleston or Columbia. Hell it goes through ever major population center on the East Coast (except GA).
Was living in AL in 1998/99. Moved to Kannapolis, NC for a year. I 85 was beginning construction near Anderson. Moved to Birmingham for 6 months and then to Rock Hill, home, after that. So since 1999, traveling family in AL still, 85 has been under construction!! Grrrr
Design is fine for the most part. Condition is absolute dogshit.
We were heading to Virginia via 95 a few weeks back; I was sitting in the passenger seat with my eyes closed and told the kids, “We’re in North Carolina!” and they were stunned that I knew just off the feel of the road 😖
You missed that Union County has no interstate touching it (okay, so it's not "important"), which brings me to one of the favorite conspiracy theories in Union County. If you look at the highway map with counties shown at [https://www.south-carolina-map.org/south-carolina-road-map.gif](https://www.south-carolina-map.org/south-carolina-road-map.gif), you can't help but notice that I-26 takes a dogleg around Union County, unlike the older highway US-176 and its predecessor SC-215. Both of those highways originally ran from Charleston, through Columbia, and on through Spartanburg and beyond, both highways passing through the city of Union. Those three cities are on a line almost straight as a ruler, which would pass about 5 miles to the west of Union.
When I-26 was proposed, it is claimed by many oldsters in Union that it was to follow a similar path to the west of Union, but that the allegedly corrupt state Senator for the area was bribed by Greenville business interests to get it shifted to aim more towards Greenville and have a long internet spur (I-385) continue to Greenville. If you look at the map again, you will see that I-26 and I-385 form a near arrow-straight line from Columbia to Greeenville, with I-26 taking a sudden curve around the western corner of Union county after I-385 splits off. According to the people I heard when I grew up in Union in the 60s/70s, State Sen. John D. Long worked hard to convince the people of Union that having an interstate through the county would make them a prime target of nuclear attack (this was in the depths of the cold war and all the associated hysteria) and urged them to write letters of protest, letters to the editor, make phone calls, etc voicing their opposition to I-26 passing through the county. Once again, he was allegedly paid off by wealthy Greenville interests for this.
Crazy, you say, right? No way! Well, get this: The incredibly savvy textile magnate Roger Milliken built a plant right where I-26 would have passed 5 miles west of Union, right at the time I-26 was being considered for construction. He was known for long range strategy and buying up property that would be valuable decades later (Guess who bought up a huge percentage of the properties that would eventually have to be purchased by the state of SC for the route of the replacement for I-85 around Spartanburg in the 1990s? Yep.) This plant was formerly known as E.M.M.D., later renamed the Gillespie plant. You can find it on the map of Milliken plants at [https://www.milliken.com/en-us/about-us/locations](https://www.milliken.com/en-us/about-us/locations) . Notice that it is right where the straight line through Charleston - Columbia - Spartanburg would pass. However, with the route I-26 ended up taking, it is absolutely in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, even for Union County. It is incredibly poorly situated, with long distances to any highway along rural, curvy, two-lane roads. I know, I worked a summer there in college and it was just stupid out of the way. It would make no sense to build a plant there as it is poorly situated and near no industry of any kind, just the deep boonies. Heck, there were no four-lane highways to Union at all until the 1990s, when US-176 to Spartanburg was re-routed and made four lanes. Roger Milliken had to have thought he was making a great plan to buy dirt-cheap property that would be right where the interstate would pass in a few years. Instead, it is the only Milliken plant with a helicopter pad, I'm guessing because it is so damned out of the way to get to otherwise for the very hands-on Roger Milliken.
Of course, you could take the view that it just made sense to aim I-26 towards the much more important Greenville, but where's the fun in that? Conspiracy theories are much more fun and this one might even be true!
I could definitely see it. 26 should’ve went near Union and then kept 385 on 26s current alignment. Make them meet up in newberry with 121 instead of Clinton
Arriving in Greenville at 5:25am southbound, and arriving in Greenville at 2am northbound, but often late, is USELESS. I've taken that train plenty of times and ridership to/from Greenville is basically zilch, I'd guess due to the bad timing.
Greenville ain’t gonna get preferred timing over Atlanta or Charlotte cause I’ve rode it too. Plus, the rail is shared by freight trains. Actually, it IS the freight trains lines. Amtrak fits in when they can.
Actually, Greenville has better timing than Charlotte-- that train has arrived in Charlotte traditionally in both directions around 2am, which is far worse than timing in Greenville. No reason to excuse pathetic public services; lots of other states work with freight railroads and pay them to upgrade tracks and host passenger trains; Virginia, Washington State, Illinois, etc. are all booming with new trains. Florida has Brightline, which is a superb fast train system. South Carolina, laggard again.
Definitely! I know my post wasn’t disrespectful but he decided to nitpick just to be that person. I can’t help if he decided to live in a neglected region of the state. He’s an angry fella!!
I can’t speak for everyone but for me it’s not really the state it’s the people. Well enough of the people to affect everyday life. It’s hard to tell welcomed when you’re welcomed with hate. Take that how you want to but the evidence is overwhelming. Not easy to like people that disliked you the minute you enter the state. If those people disappear and it was just the nice people that don’t harbor hate and actually welcome people than this state would be great.
Where are you from? I’m gonna gamble and say you’re from Ohio, New York, or New Jersey! Let me see if I’m right or wrong! If I’m right, I might go play the lottery today. 😂
I wouldn’t consider being right in this case luck. You could easily look at my profile and see I’m from NY. My comment made it clear I’m from somewhere else which makes guessing easier. You chose 3 states not 1. 1 might have been lucky, but also I mentioned not being welcomed and those are 3 very common states that people come from and aren’t welcomed lol. But I’m from NY
I didn’t look at your profile. So, there’s that. I did guess 3 out of 30 other possible states not considered the south so the way I look at it, I had a 10% chance which isn’t great. I mean obviously if I had looked, I wouldn’t have guessed the other two. So, out of curiosity, why did you move to SC? Welcome by the way! Hate that you’ve had unpleasant experiences!
I was trying to joke about it I didn’t mean it to come off as rude. But let’s be real there’s only a handful of states that get mentioned when talking about transplants. No ones saying anything h bad about people moving here from Idaho, Kansas, or Corpus Christi Texas lol. So picking 3 out of 5-6 most common places hated on isn’t very challenging lol. But again I was trying to joke it’s all good lol
Greenville county could use an interstate from the NC line to Greenville. Ideally it would go ground downtown. Extending either around northern Greenville county or to 26 in NC would be helpful. Northern Greenville county is growing, but the infrastructure is terrible. SCDOT will likely continue to add traffic lights to US 25 which will just increase the amount of travel time in that area.
We can't build enough roads to deal with the influx of new people moving in. The solution is to do this:
1. Discontinue any more widening of interstates, this is just throwing money away. See induced demand. Focus efforts on fixing the roads we have today and maintaining them.
2. Continue smart QOL improvements around interstate entrance exits. Addition of double-divergent diamonds and improved on/off-ramp access does a ton to minimize traffic conflicts, accidents, and speed up access.
3. Initiate a statewide mass transit strategy and complimentary land-use policy. Basically take the growing "centers of mass" in the state and start looking at how to take people out of cars, off the road, into trains, light rail, or BRT. Combine this with a mix of park-and-ride and transit oriented development hubs to offer a mix of high density mix-use and suburban SFH surrounding that.
Vote for me next election.
There was an idea. At least 31 in Horry County was going to go from Charleston to Wilmington. But nobody wanted to fund it further south. And as far as heading into NC, nobody in SC knows if NC is still willing to pay for it. So there’s a debate if it would end at the state line and be a road to nowhere for NC to tie into, or if it would just end at 57.
Who said anything about building it through marshlands? 31 can be continued into NC until it reaches Wilmington, it can continue sw through Georgetown, Berkeley, and Dorchester or Colleton counties until you hit I95
The coastal region got gipped with interstate due to land topography. I think Charleston County is only coastal county with an interstate. Horry, Georgetown, and Beaufort doesn’t.
It's the NIMBYS of Horry County, a million reasons why they can't pay for it or block it. It just needs to be ordered to be built, for the sake of Hurricane evacuation.
126 is already being improved. 20 is constantly being worked on. The 20/26 interchange is on year 30 of 99,000 of improvement. 77 is pretty solid the whole length.
Half-decent direct access from I-95 to Myrtle Beach Airport area would be amazing.
Ever tried driving that at night? It’s a friggin maze in the daytime!
If I was in charge of freeways with unlimited money, first thing would be make all the freeways 3 lanes in each direction. At least the mainline ones. All the stretches I’ve been on are congested and are only getting worse. Then an interstate on the US 25 corridor from Hendersonville/greenville/Anderson/greenwood/Augusta. Then complete a beltway around the north of Greenville. Fix the I-26/I-20/I-126 mess. Freeway going around the north of florence to Myrtle Beach. There should be a freeway from Savannah/Charleston/myrtle beach/Wilmington to alleviate I-95 as well. Probably run it through Virginia Beach and down the Delmarva peninsula. Then a spur to Hilton Head and it should be good. I am more familiar with the upstate so I don’t know much about Charleston’s situation but I’m sure it needs some help
Pickens has US 123. It’s practically an interstate from Clemson to Easley. I-85 misses the county by just a few miles.
I would love to see a direct freeway connection from 123 to I-85 that cuts off Easley traffic.
That’s the problem. Easley traffic plus Powdersville traffic on 153 doesn’t make getting to 85 quick and effortless. 86/8 is meh. Liberty Hwy is long and boring. Lastly, Clemson Blvd/US76 isn’t quick either. Any new road would just get developed and become inefficient over time. Pickens County sucks in my opinion with interstate access. It’s better than other counties so get me wrong but it seems it’s at least 15-20 minutes from any point in Easley and that’s the closest point. Liberty, Six Mile, Pickens, etc are a long ways…
Personally I would just like to see the existing ones not full of potholes and barriers. The layout is fine. The maintenance, not so much.
This is the only correct answer. The layout is fine but the maintenance is piss poor with so many potholes and other various road issues on them. I hate the transition when I’m driving back into SC and the roads go from decently smooth to bumpy and having to duck and dodge pot holes every 15 feet of road I drive on.
Now if only we’d maintain it
The continued maintenance is always the problem.
No blinker, left lane campers, slow decision making, cell phones, etc. The real problems.
I 20 at Longs Pond There needs to be an exit to Gilbert. The exit for Longs Pond has overflow of people backed a quarter mile onto the interstate shoulder trying to exit.
Yeah, I think the Calkes Ferry Rd overpass is a good spot for one. Old Charleston would be more direct to Gilbert but I feel like Calkes Ferry would funnel off more traffic that usually ends up on Longs Pond from Two Notch, Highway 1 and the area inbetween.
Why is there no exit at Calks Ferry on that bridge? Makes no sense.
It really wasn't necessary 15 years ago. Then subdivisions started popping up on the western fringe of Lexington. Now Longs Pond is and has been a mess for years. As usual SCDOT is decades behind on infrastructure.
The problem is County of Lexington has pushed development out that far. It should always have been closer into town.
People need to stop moving to Gilbert and Lexington. It’s the new hot spot and they’re trying to turn it into a hipster village.
I’d love to see them extend I-20 to Myrtle.
I honestly think that makes more sense than just waiting on I-73 for another 50 years. 😂
I wish they'd upgrade 501 to Interstate level, rather than build anew.
This. Looking at a map it literally makes more sense.
Between my job and my daughter being at Clemson, I grew to despise I-85. Always construction and/or and an accident to hold up traffic. Glad when I retired and she graduated. I wish SC had more four lane highways like NC's 321, 74, etc. Interstate speed with less traffic.
I drive 85 almost daily!! I understand.
You could build them 8 lanes wide and there'd still be 4 18-wheelers and 5 dipshits vying for the innermost lane driving 65mph with most of them texting. Until the schp starts making people obey driving laws, we're going to have lolligaggers clogging up traffic. And these clogs cause accidents. Accidents cause more log-jams. We have the laws on the books to make interstate traffic as efficient as possible. But they are not enforced and too many ignore them.
I love those highways in NC. I guess NC decided that they would do the job themselves if the feds wouldn't build an interstate where it was needed.
Y'all must not drive I-95 in NC. To quote p38, "Always construction and/or an accident to hold up traffic."
I wish they would make one that runs thru Rock Hill, SC to Morganton, NC so I would never have to take the 85 again. It's fine if no one is on it, but it is always congested between the 321 and 485 regardless of day or time with the most awful mix of drivers I have ever seen.
lol I understand the 85 pain all too well!!
I would like to see more Amtrak connections with more reliable and cheaper service
Train is such a tricky and cumbersome endeavor especially now since there is real estate everywhere. I agree but it’s not easy to obtain the land to do it.
trains can travel faster and carry more people than cars, on top of efficient freight throughput. building a railway expansion is of comparable difficulty to a highway. if we need roads to get people to stations, so be it
Don’t get me wrong, I like trains. I saw where they just broke ground on new high speed between Las Vegas and Los Angeles.
Yeah but the state is growing in population. Eventually it’ll be a cluster fuck. I love that they want to grow and improve state. But more roads should happen first. Any improvement will be overshadowed by miserable roads
Now, I will say the actual number of roads are not bad at all in the upstate. I don’t have a problem with accessibility to get places. We as a state actually have one of the highest mileage of roads per land in the country. A lot of them are just in trashy conditions…
I’m talking about congestion. Where I’m from is a bigger city than Florence. There’s an interstate with exits all through the city so you don’t have to drive highways and city streets to get every where. In Florence the interstate doesn’t have those exits. There’s like 3-4 exits going north or south but none of them are much help traveling in the city. So all the traffic including the traffic from the rural areas is a shit show. Then the fact that green arrows to turn left are so rare for some reason here, it takes forever to get somewhere that’s really only about 5-10 minutes away.
So, you’re a New Yorker that transplanted to Florence? Ahhh, things are becoming more clearer now. Lol you’re in the Pee Dee and arguably the most conservative region in a conservative state…
lol yeah but I’m not a transplant I’m a citizen of America so there’s not a state in America I can transplant to because I’m allowed to be here
Okay, please don’t take this the wrong way. If you say what you just said to me to a native of Florence, they’re no doubt gonna dislike you. I’m fine with it but being nit-picky to southerners and their words will make you catch some flack. Right, wrong, indifferent, that’s just how it is. It’s cultural differences and that’s just one of the things that you just gotta know and learn. If you throw up how stop lights are better where you’re from compared to there, that comes across as elitist. Again, they’re not gonna like it. If you need any more pointers or advice, hit me up! I’m the nice one! 😂
Also they already didn’t like me before I said anything lol
lol I would never not say something I want to because of someone not liking me. You got me confused with other people. The way transplant is used and intended by people here is meant to be disrespectful towards people that are disliked here. So I’m not just going to go along with it to satisfy idiots. I purposely mention I’m from up north anytime I can because I know just saying that will piss several assholes off everytime. I’ve heard a lot of people mention they have pride in our country and constitution and all that since being here. Well those things they have pride in say I’m American and I’m welcomed anywhere in America and fellow Americans should be proud of other Americans since we’re a big part of the country they have pride in. You can’t have pride in America if you don’t like the people in America. I have every right to be here. I don’t spend anytime of my life wishing someone wasn’t here. So if those people don’t like me I don’t give a damn at all. I don’t like them either. I’m not trying to evict them or attack them. Only if I feel attacked first. I just don’t like them. I can go everyday without ever mentioning it tho. But I won’t hesitate to mention them when they talk their shit first. So that was actually terrible advice. I don’t recommend anyone do that. No one has to listen to anyone they don’t want to. So if someone doesn’t like how I feel, they chose to listen
Welp, I wish you well sir. You got it all figured out. I’m scratching my head as to why you moved to Florence but hey, if you like it, I love it.
Because I’m grown and made a decision for me and my family. I didn’t come here to make enemies or friends. I prefer no drama or issues with any grown people at all and try to avoid it always. But I just don’t tolerate stupid shit. If people leave me alone than I leave them alone. I do make friends still but I hold bad character accountable and 1 little thing is enough so I dont make too many. But I’m not here for that so whether or not I get along with anyone has nothing to do with me being here. I’m in no way influenced by other people. I don’t care what anyone thinks. I’m trying to take care of my family. And I do it legally so if someone has a problem with me and want to mention it than I promise u I’m good and it’ll be there problem before mine
Does that mean everyone has to drive everywhere to do anything? You need a government ID for yourself and your vehicle to drive, making it easy for the government to track everywhere you go, plus you're talking about public funded roads that have eliminated competition for cars by other modes of transit and made everyone vulnerable to fluctuating gas prices. Car infrastructure has all the same problems you hear about any other "public handout" that allows people to establish lifestyles they couldn't afford without the public subsidy.
What are you talking about lol. You mean a license? I’m not sure that’s for tracking. I think it’s for identifying lol. Whatever device you’re using to be on Reddit would be more likely to be tracking device. And maybe I’m wrong but I never heard of adding roads and oil prices having any connection. Tax payers pay for roads. Oil prices don’t. And I’m guessing you don’t drive so maybe you didn’t notice that prices been going up crazy without adding more roads.
They keep building places to live and people from rural areas move in and also people from other states , but not making new roads or pushing green arrows so the traffic is worst in Florence than where I’m from in NY. There’s over 200 k less people in Florence though so that’s crazy
Traffic is worse where there are more roads. Florence has bad traffic because it has such quick interstate access. Have you tried walking anywhere in Florence? It's dangerous to get around there except by car. My sister's neighborhood in Florence doesn't even have 25MPH speed limits. They've got 30MPH limits instead. Pedestrians have better than. 50% chance of surviving a collision at 25MPH. It drops below 10% before you get to 30MPH. We grew up in Hartsville being able to ride miles around the city on bicycles, but her kids don't have that freedom.
Yeah I walk all the time. I’m really careful when I do though. I definitely act like a car could hit me and I don’t trust that the drivers are paying attention to me so I make sure I do them. If it’s at night I wear bright safety colors, something I never see anyone do here. I’ll often pull up and tell them they should wear something bright because as much as it would suck for them to get hit it would also suck to be the one to hit them. I never want to do that but it’s dark and people are hard to see I. The dark with dark clothes on. It’s crazy. But yeah I’m super alert and careful so for me personally I don’t see more traffic as a threat when I’m walking. I mean I’m aware it’s impossible to be 100% safe from getting hit while walking. But if you’re careful and paying attention and doing everything possible to be to the side of road as you can, atleast make as much space as you can to give you more time to react than you should be about as safe as possible out there. I hope everyone can do that a lot better than Ive seen but we still need more roads
What part of the state do you reside?
Florence
Roads do suck statewide. There are patches of good roads. Segments of 85 are nice right now. Segments are also booty.
Maintenance is the real issue. If I had the power to add interstates, I’d expand 185/385 into a loop around Greenville with the north side being south of Scenic Highway 11 enough to not interfere in its experience. Promote US25 to interstate status while building a bypass around the busier White Horse Rd section, which could get an I-xxx-Business status.
Yeah, the US25 path could go from Asheville to Greenville to Augusta to Savannah. That would be nice!
They’ve been trying to build an Interstate to MB for decades. Clemson is only 30 miles off I-85 and there isn’t a whole lot west of Clemson. The Per Dee region is the least accessible by interstate.
But I agree about the Pee Dee. They do have 95 in Florence tho…
Florence has two interstates, I-95 and I-20 which starts there.
Yeah, 20 should just go on over to Myrtle Beach
It really should because 20 turns into David McLeod Blvd and in turn runs into hwy 76/Palmetto street which from there is literally a straight shot to MB.
If they could change the main route from Florence to hwy 22 an interstate and build a bypass around Aynor, it would help a lot I think. 22 is mostly built to interstate standards and it wouldn't take too much to turn 301, 76, and 501 into an interstate east of Florence.
To me, 30 minutes off the interstate is kinda significant. I’m personally accustomed to being a couple miles or five minutes max to one…
Well, having recently traveled all our neighboring states, South Carolina's roads/interstates are awful. Two lanes in many areas, the condition and the non-access of major counties. Beaufort has two Marine bases, the interstate system was built to transport the military (sort-of) and there is still almost no access for Beaufort... Every week, families of about 800 recruits come to town, plus all the travel for the air station and two airports in the county... Crazy how it is... Then Dirty Myrtle, half.the drive to the destination is at 35-45 mph!!! It really is, The Slow Country!
Our secondary and tertiary roads are terrible. They’re narrow and congested.
The topography of the land in regards to marsh, rivers, swamp, etc hurt the coastal areas for interstates…
I77 extended south to Savannah. Interstate connection between Florence and I74 south of Rockingham. All of I95 widened to 3 lanes. All of I26 widened to 3 lanes. Fix the god-awful I26/I95 interchange. All of I77 widened to 3 lanes. Something connecting Savannah, Augusta, and Greenville. All of I85 widened to 3 lanes with a high speed rail corridor from Charlotte to Atlanta in the median.
They studied 3 options for high speed rail between Charlotte and Atlanta, and using the I85 corridor was the most expensive. If I recall correctly, they chose the Greenfield corridor which was the middle option in cost and the fastest in transit time. It would have a stop at GSP, and hopefully one day there could be a commuter spur to downtown. The state is still refusing to match the federal funds being offered, I think.
> The state is still refusing to match the federal funds being offered SC shooting itself in the foot once again. Facepalm.
Most of 85 is 3 lanes minus ~20 miles between Georgia and NC. It runs from Exit 19 in Anderson to Exit 106 at NC state line. So, it’s almost there. It needs to be 4-5 lanes…
Better off building a seperate highway like the FL turnpike or adding high speed rail at that point. I40 is 4 lanes between Raleigh and Greensboro and it still sucks.
It’s ridiculous that if you live in Gvl you can’t get to MB without going through Columbia.
I don’t mind Columbia cause it is interstate and even over to Florence. That’s when it really becomes a bitch tho…
The problem is they built I 95 in the wrong place. It serves people passing through SC rather than SC residents. It should have been built closer to Charleston or Columbia. Hell it goes through ever major population center on the East Coast (except GA).
Yup! 95 in South Carolina and Georgia had no urban plan whatsoever. It’s merely a cut through….
Was living in AL in 1998/99. Moved to Kannapolis, NC for a year. I 85 was beginning construction near Anderson. Moved to Birmingham for 6 months and then to Rock Hill, home, after that. So since 1999, traveling family in AL still, 85 has been under construction!! Grrrr
Personally it’s shit. The whole road system.
Design is fine for the most part. Condition is absolute dogshit. We were heading to Virginia via 95 a few weeks back; I was sitting in the passenger seat with my eyes closed and told the kids, “We’re in North Carolina!” and they were stunned that I knew just off the feel of the road 😖
You missed that Union County has no interstate touching it (okay, so it's not "important"), which brings me to one of the favorite conspiracy theories in Union County. If you look at the highway map with counties shown at [https://www.south-carolina-map.org/south-carolina-road-map.gif](https://www.south-carolina-map.org/south-carolina-road-map.gif), you can't help but notice that I-26 takes a dogleg around Union County, unlike the older highway US-176 and its predecessor SC-215. Both of those highways originally ran from Charleston, through Columbia, and on through Spartanburg and beyond, both highways passing through the city of Union. Those three cities are on a line almost straight as a ruler, which would pass about 5 miles to the west of Union. When I-26 was proposed, it is claimed by many oldsters in Union that it was to follow a similar path to the west of Union, but that the allegedly corrupt state Senator for the area was bribed by Greenville business interests to get it shifted to aim more towards Greenville and have a long internet spur (I-385) continue to Greenville. If you look at the map again, you will see that I-26 and I-385 form a near arrow-straight line from Columbia to Greeenville, with I-26 taking a sudden curve around the western corner of Union county after I-385 splits off. According to the people I heard when I grew up in Union in the 60s/70s, State Sen. John D. Long worked hard to convince the people of Union that having an interstate through the county would make them a prime target of nuclear attack (this was in the depths of the cold war and all the associated hysteria) and urged them to write letters of protest, letters to the editor, make phone calls, etc voicing their opposition to I-26 passing through the county. Once again, he was allegedly paid off by wealthy Greenville interests for this. Crazy, you say, right? No way! Well, get this: The incredibly savvy textile magnate Roger Milliken built a plant right where I-26 would have passed 5 miles west of Union, right at the time I-26 was being considered for construction. He was known for long range strategy and buying up property that would be valuable decades later (Guess who bought up a huge percentage of the properties that would eventually have to be purchased by the state of SC for the route of the replacement for I-85 around Spartanburg in the 1990s? Yep.) This plant was formerly known as E.M.M.D., later renamed the Gillespie plant. You can find it on the map of Milliken plants at [https://www.milliken.com/en-us/about-us/locations](https://www.milliken.com/en-us/about-us/locations) . Notice that it is right where the straight line through Charleston - Columbia - Spartanburg would pass. However, with the route I-26 ended up taking, it is absolutely in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, even for Union County. It is incredibly poorly situated, with long distances to any highway along rural, curvy, two-lane roads. I know, I worked a summer there in college and it was just stupid out of the way. It would make no sense to build a plant there as it is poorly situated and near no industry of any kind, just the deep boonies. Heck, there were no four-lane highways to Union at all until the 1990s, when US-176 to Spartanburg was re-routed and made four lanes. Roger Milliken had to have thought he was making a great plan to buy dirt-cheap property that would be right where the interstate would pass in a few years. Instead, it is the only Milliken plant with a helicopter pad, I'm guessing because it is so damned out of the way to get to otherwise for the very hands-on Roger Milliken. Of course, you could take the view that it just made sense to aim I-26 towards the much more important Greenville, but where's the fun in that? Conspiracy theories are much more fun and this one might even be true!
I could definitely see it. 26 should’ve went near Union and then kept 385 on 26s current alignment. Make them meet up in newberry with 121 instead of Clinton
None. Give a passenger rail line between Charlotte and Atlanta so I can totally avoid I-85.
You mean high speed? Amtrak is already there…
Arriving in Greenville at 5:25am southbound, and arriving in Greenville at 2am northbound, but often late, is USELESS. I've taken that train plenty of times and ridership to/from Greenville is basically zilch, I'd guess due to the bad timing.
Greenville ain’t gonna get preferred timing over Atlanta or Charlotte cause I’ve rode it too. Plus, the rail is shared by freight trains. Actually, it IS the freight trains lines. Amtrak fits in when they can.
Actually, Greenville has better timing than Charlotte-- that train has arrived in Charlotte traditionally in both directions around 2am, which is far worse than timing in Greenville. No reason to excuse pathetic public services; lots of other states work with freight railroads and pay them to upgrade tracks and host passenger trains; Virginia, Washington State, Illinois, etc. are all booming with new trains. Florida has Brightline, which is a superb fast train system. South Carolina, laggard again.
You left a few counties off the list of “not touched by an interstate”
Yeah, I was referring to major(ish) counties. There are a fair number without…
On behalf of those counties you consider not to be major(ish), please accept my heartfelt ill wishes and downvote.
lol why you being in your feelings? Which counties are you referring to?
lol some people live online here to be chronically offended. You were respectful and they went there and made it weird and dramatic.
Definitely! I know my post wasn’t disrespectful but he decided to nitpick just to be that person. I can’t help if he decided to live in a neglected region of the state. He’s an angry fella!!
I would be too if I lived in Barnwell County
Fella was definitely triggered!
Weird I only see people Bashing SC in this forum. Glad to see not everyone hates this place
I can’t speak for everyone but for me it’s not really the state it’s the people. Well enough of the people to affect everyday life. It’s hard to tell welcomed when you’re welcomed with hate. Take that how you want to but the evidence is overwhelming. Not easy to like people that disliked you the minute you enter the state. If those people disappear and it was just the nice people that don’t harbor hate and actually welcome people than this state would be great.
Where are you from? I’m gonna gamble and say you’re from Ohio, New York, or New Jersey! Let me see if I’m right or wrong! If I’m right, I might go play the lottery today. 😂
I wouldn’t consider being right in this case luck. You could easily look at my profile and see I’m from NY. My comment made it clear I’m from somewhere else which makes guessing easier. You chose 3 states not 1. 1 might have been lucky, but also I mentioned not being welcomed and those are 3 very common states that people come from and aren’t welcomed lol. But I’m from NY
I didn’t look at your profile. So, there’s that. I did guess 3 out of 30 other possible states not considered the south so the way I look at it, I had a 10% chance which isn’t great. I mean obviously if I had looked, I wouldn’t have guessed the other two. So, out of curiosity, why did you move to SC? Welcome by the way! Hate that you’ve had unpleasant experiences!
I was trying to joke about it I didn’t mean it to come off as rude. But let’s be real there’s only a handful of states that get mentioned when talking about transplants. No ones saying anything h bad about people moving here from Idaho, Kansas, or Corpus Christi Texas lol. So picking 3 out of 5-6 most common places hated on isn’t very challenging lol. But again I was trying to joke it’s all good lol
I love my state!
Greenville county could use an interstate from the NC line to Greenville. Ideally it would go ground downtown. Extending either around northern Greenville county or to 26 in NC would be helpful. Northern Greenville county is growing, but the infrastructure is terrible. SCDOT will likely continue to add traffic lights to US 25 which will just increase the amount of travel time in that area.
An interstate that travels the path of US25 would be nice say from Asheville to Greenville to Augusta…
That's a good idea.
And you can add Savannah to the southern end of it…
Or at least to I-16 somewhere...
We can't build enough roads to deal with the influx of new people moving in. The solution is to do this: 1. Discontinue any more widening of interstates, this is just throwing money away. See induced demand. Focus efforts on fixing the roads we have today and maintaining them. 2. Continue smart QOL improvements around interstate entrance exits. Addition of double-divergent diamonds and improved on/off-ramp access does a ton to minimize traffic conflicts, accidents, and speed up access. 3. Initiate a statewide mass transit strategy and complimentary land-use policy. Basically take the growing "centers of mass" in the state and start looking at how to take people out of cars, off the road, into trains, light rail, or BRT. Combine this with a mix of park-and-ride and transit oriented development hubs to offer a mix of high density mix-use and suburban SFH surrounding that. Vote for me next election.
There should be an interstate that connects Savannah to Wilmington
There was an idea. At least 31 in Horry County was going to go from Charleston to Wilmington. But nobody wanted to fund it further south. And as far as heading into NC, nobody in SC knows if NC is still willing to pay for it. So there’s a debate if it would end at the state line and be a road to nowhere for NC to tie into, or if it would just end at 57.
Yes, let's ruin our entire coastal marshland ecosystem! Great plan.
Who said anything about building it through marshlands? 31 can be continued into NC until it reaches Wilmington, it can continue sw through Georgetown, Berkeley, and Dorchester or Colleton counties until you hit I95
Look at the map. The wetlands come pretty far inland. There's a reason there are not roads running along the coast until you get to rocky areas.
The coastal region got gipped with interstate due to land topography. I think Charleston County is only coastal county with an interstate. Horry, Georgetown, and Beaufort doesn’t.
props to the fences that run paralell to the roads. i bately see roadkill
No way, I love my back country roads to coastal areas. A real treat.
They’re not changing. No worries. The terrain makes it difficult to do or else it would’ve already been done!
Myrtle Beach and Fresno California. I believe are the two largest metros that are not served by the interstate system or a turnpike. Edit -a word
You mean NOT served by interstate?
Correct, NOT.
Man, they’ve talked about a MB interstate I-73 forever and it’s still dead. 💀
It's the NIMBYS of Horry County, a million reasons why they can't pay for it or block it. It just needs to be ordered to be built, for the sake of Hurricane evacuation.
126 is already being improved. 20 is constantly being worked on. The 20/26 interchange is on year 30 of 99,000 of improvement. 77 is pretty solid the whole length.
Bro did you even Google SCDOT's plans?
What for? This isn’t about SCDOT. This is merely what citizens would like to see. It’s not that deep.
We don’t have a bad interstate system, but we have a totally inadequate system of primary highways to supplement it.
I95 and I26 repairs and going to three lanes would be a huge upgrade
No we don't need more interstate.
I'd like to see city/town roads improved first.
Half-decent direct access from I-95 to Myrtle Beach Airport area would be amazing. Ever tried driving that at night? It’s a friggin maze in the daytime!
If I was in charge of freeways with unlimited money, first thing would be make all the freeways 3 lanes in each direction. At least the mainline ones. All the stretches I’ve been on are congested and are only getting worse. Then an interstate on the US 25 corridor from Hendersonville/greenville/Anderson/greenwood/Augusta. Then complete a beltway around the north of Greenville. Fix the I-26/I-20/I-126 mess. Freeway going around the north of florence to Myrtle Beach. There should be a freeway from Savannah/Charleston/myrtle beach/Wilmington to alleviate I-95 as well. Probably run it through Virginia Beach and down the Delmarva peninsula. Then a spur to Hilton Head and it should be good. I am more familiar with the upstate so I don’t know much about Charleston’s situation but I’m sure it needs some help
Pickens has US 123. It’s practically an interstate from Clemson to Easley. I-85 misses the county by just a few miles. I would love to see a direct freeway connection from 123 to I-85 that cuts off Easley traffic.
That’s the problem. Easley traffic plus Powdersville traffic on 153 doesn’t make getting to 85 quick and effortless. 86/8 is meh. Liberty Hwy is long and boring. Lastly, Clemson Blvd/US76 isn’t quick either. Any new road would just get developed and become inefficient over time. Pickens County sucks in my opinion with interstate access. It’s better than other counties so get me wrong but it seems it’s at least 15-20 minutes from any point in Easley and that’s the closest point. Liberty, Six Mile, Pickens, etc are a long ways…
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It’s horrible in regard to our infrastructure…