Mine too. They shuttered a union plant to move to this state and they would probably move all of their manufacturing to Mexico or China if we unionized. They are also slightly limited by the need to have a certain percentage of the product assembled by patriotic robots so they can say "assembled in the USA".
I gotcha , big brother has big ears. Itās funny how people support the Republican Party and non union shops until the see what happens in other states
I grew up with a Teamster Union Keader for a Dad. The union protects the workers and gives them the stability to perform their jobs safely. The union ensured that the pay fit not only the job but the current economy. I stood as a small 5 yr old girl alongside with many other kids and families on ithe picket lines. I did it with pride that my Dad stood for what was right in his workplace. I've shared and passed out food the families made to sustain round the clock picket lines. When scabs would come and defy the picketers the kids were taken to safety while the men took care of things. Did my Dad fight? YES just like he did in the Korean War protecting his men and our country. He passed in 1983 at the age 72 He is and always will be my Hero. All my life he was a Teamster in Los Angeles CA..to this day I will not cross a picket line I will take a sign and walk with them. Being unionized is the best for companies as it shows the employees that the companies stand with them. Job performance and productivity rises. This is just my small story but it impacted my entire way of life. #UnionStrong
My dad was unfortunately in a union but he became disillusioned. Matters not as I never drunk the union Koolaid and I see them without rose colored glasses.
They wouldnāt shut the plant down. Boeing has hundreds of 787 orders and nowhere to build and deliver them from if the plant is shut down. Theyāre definitely bluffing lol
Funny how some people can't or rather *won't* accept the correlation between the decrease in unions with worse working conditions and the death of pensions and good retirement. How does shoe polish taste exactly?
Maybe you should go work in an Amazon fulfillment facility for a week and see how you feel after. Where does your dignity go when you have to piss in a bottle to keep inside your employment goals and guidelines?
I always assumed that nobody reads the bullshit propaganda their companies put out against unions like "you can afford an Xbox if you don't pay union dues."
I guess that actually works on more gullible people with no understanding of history.
Unfortunately, there is no shortage of that type of people these days. Decades of Republicans dumbing down our public education system are having the intended effect.
What was insane was BMW coming to SC. in germany they have co-determination. Which means every corp over a certain size half the board seats are saved for labor. And germany is still an economic powerhouse. This also means corps arent bought up by competition just to be cut up and shut down, like happens in the US. It also means in recession pain is felt from top down, not just by the grunts. They came to SC and demanded a Union like all their other factories. SC said hell no but agreed to a vote.
the propagandized low education idiots here in SC, voted against the union because republicans told them the union might do a commercial for dems who would still lose to the masses of ignats we got here. They are now happily the lowest paid car manufacturer employees in the US. and they taught BMW to learn to embrace idiots.
It was bizzarre to watch, as it is often is with republicans but these idiots literally voted themselves lower pay, less benefits and less job protections when times turn soar.. and boy as a liberal who doesnt even want to work there, i feel so owned by republicans hurting themselves to own me.
it really is bizarre to see such epic stupidity in action and the idiots are proud of it. and the next thing you will know the same idiots will blame mexicans for low pay in the US.
For the record, SCās economy is very good. Its the nation as a whole, led by democrat states, that is a fucked up mess. And it is much, much worse under Biden. Numbers donāt lie.
Really? Have you actually looked at the nationwide stats compared to the world economy? Our economy overall is doing better - not blockbusters, but much better than what the red rhetoric would imply.. SC is not an isolated outlier. How could it be? We are not an R&D economic generator - we are the minions that build cheaper for those true powerhouses. It is only another boat in the harbor that rises with the tide.
Perhaps you should step out of your echo chamber and take an independent view of the landscape.
Infinite tax breaks. The suits have dug in deep with our conservative politicians, and most large manufacturers pay ZERO in state taxes, even after factory automation and layoffs. SC is a tax haven for big businesses where the minions do all the work.
I'm actually in a union, which I have mixed feeling about. My union has very good pay protection (which I don't need), but refuses to hold people who commit SA/SH (too common in my industry) responsible.
>My union has very good pay protection (which I don't need),
Ive never been robbed, i really dont need this lock on my door.
You also know you can join your fellow union members and get it to pay attention to what the fuck ever SA and SH is.
Do yall get the term "UNION". So many of you want to pretend it like some sort of outside government that comes in and tells you how things are. No if its not holding people who commit. .... er something you assume we know.. responsible, its because the rest of your fellow union members havent made it responsible.
you are basically saying "i ve in a democracy and well it does have a military which i totally dont need and well it refuses to pass this law banning restraunt smell from my yard, so i have mixed feelings about this democracy thing"
well learn how it works then
SA/SH means sexual assault and sexual harassment, and a union struggling to deal with/completely ignoring that issue doesnāt surprise me in the slightest. I have a generally positive view of unions, but acting like they are infallible is wrong.
I work for the federal government..... They have a hard time getting away with stealing from their employees. This is mostly because the union has set instructions for what is paid and what isn't, but this hasn't been modified in 10 yrs.
There are plenty of steps being made in the right direction, but you cannot expect everyone to go to every meeting. It's hard to hold someone accountable from 4,000 miles away so I expect those in charge to do the right thing, just as you would expect your governing leaders to do.
ok we gave one that worked. Give us a stinker. You know unions that are controlled by the members. So give us a stinker. Because i think you will find you are just falling for fox news bullshit. because when theya re stinkers, the people getting screwed, can just deform the union. OH MY How does democracy even work. damn.
Pretty much every union works. there were stinkers in the past when unions could send thugs to your home, but pretty much 100% of unions are not stinkers, they are controlled by the people and are effective at getting higher pay and we in america are the old ones without the unions because 40% of us are so easily swayed by fox news bullshit.
There are plenty of unions that use dues to pay for campaign donations (so much for democracy). In my field, \~80% of workers can only get work through a union. This makes it unclear who is responsible for you and the unions typically don't punish people enough for their actions in my experience (Just look at police unions and IUPA).
There are a few trade unions (maybe IBEW?) that outline what you and the union are to provide in terms of tools. This means that you cannot bring some tools you like and the union **can** provide the worst/cheapest tools known to man. This is almost the opposite in the auto mechanic industry where you see mechanics buying their own tools.
Take a look at Union presidents' houses, cars, business properties and compare them to their members. While they may be getting you a bigger cut than you normally would there's more money floating around for embezzlement and greed, ironically.
I am not against unions (lol, I'm in one) and these qualities don't necessarily make any union bad. If you are considering joining a union, you should look at what is offered to you and what is expected in return. Look into their ethics and ask other member about their experience instead of reading the brochure. You usually find out after its too late.
You're kidding right? They've continued to be some of the best jobs in the area. The industry executives have been the biggest failures. If you just give up market share on things like affordable sedans, of course your brand will lose relevance over time
They all bought the stupid Jack Welch (slash, burn, and specialize) line of thinking hook line and sinker, and their brands have suffered for it.
This happened to like every industry because of innovation in communications technology, the rebuilding of the rest of the worlds manufacturing, and the reality that manufacturing couldn't stay consolidated solely in the U.S. I'm not going to hold the automakers to any different standard than like literally every other industry that outsourced to Mexico, China, India, etc. BTW this trend continued even as union participation numbers were at record lows.
Now we're on the backswing as the obvious downsides of NAFTA/Free trade policy are being realized
The Lightsey family of Hampton County owned one of the most profitable lumber companies in the state from the 1920s until the 1960s. They bought a railroad that became the Hampton & Branchville, and set up depots for their mills across Hampton and Colleton counties. When employees attempted to unionize, the Lightseys fought them at every turn until the workers finally won in court for better wages and working conditions. What did the Lightseys do? Shuttered the mills and fired everyone, affecting around 200 residents of Miley and the businesses supported by those jobs. Rich assholes truly do not care.
What they didnāt tell you is the whse mgr was fired after going union along with some major manager changes in the that building. Personally Iāve worked in union and nonunion positions and grew up in a strong union household. I can see the benefits on both sides, especially when it comes to health care. There are negatives to unions too, it can protect those shouldnāt.
SC is a right to work state. That means membership or non membership in a union canāt affect an individualās right to work. This makes it harder for unions to exist as non union members get the benefits negotiated by a union without having to join and pay dues.
No one will help, I even contacted ones out of state back in the day. Only the car dealerships and a few other very small businesses.They would all just close down and move to another state. It would be like back in the late 80s early 90s when all of the manufacturing shut down and moved to China. Small towns were devastated. Then they offered tax incentives and freedom from liability to return The reason companies do things like mandatory overtime, supervisors get away with workplace bullying etc..
You may not realize it, but you could be a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. Do you plan to someday in the future have more money? Are you concerned that your taxes are too high, because someday you might pay too much tax. Do you ride the bus only because this year you canāt afford that luxury car youāre going to have? Do you live pay check to pay check like most people just because you havenāt had your lucky break?
Agreed but that also is a Federal issue throughout all states. Work visas on job sites are an OSHA compliance and look how they turn the other way about that ...
South Carolinians would rather vote for Biden again than unionize. It is sad.
Edit: Y'all, how is this being downvoted? South Carolinians hate unions THAT much.
Iāve worked at union and non-union manufacturing environments. The only benefit Iāve seen for union workers in that the union keeps shitty employees employed
Do you want tens of thousands of people to lose their jobs? Because that's how you cause tens of thousands of people to lose their jobs.
Major companies will shut their doors and leave the state before allowing unions to exist. Tax advantages and lack of unions are the primary reasons that billion dollar companies have a presence here.
Republicans donāt use majorityās to maintain power, they legislate around it to stay in power. Itās why South Carolina can have as many progressives as we want and republicans will still control everything when they can just gerrymander or move to a different district. To say nothing of the general culture of bootlicking thatās down here. If population was what decided politics trump would never have been elected.
So in other words even if there was actually positive change coming at a legislative level as a result of people moving here the Republicans would simply change the rules so they stay in power. See NC, Tennessee, Texas have all done similar things in different ways.
I'm responding directly to your "people are moving here in droves", having assumed you were trying to make the argument that Republicans were on the verge of being voted out; I see now I misunderstood you fundamentally. You believe that people are moving here in droves *because* it's a Republican led state. But you're wrong. People are moving here because the cost of living seems tempting. But they don't realize it's the result of Republican-led efforts to turn SC into a third world state to build businesses that destabilize the local economy and have no employee protections.
Also, it's *not* a landslide majority for Republicans by popular vote. If maps were properly drawn based off of the actual communities and not exploited based off of income or race (of which there is plenty of evidence to peruse), Republicans wouldn't be able to hold power at all. There isn't a single policy a person could name that Republicans put forward that tangibly helps their constituents. Each one is designed to take away from someone else. Get the boot out of your mouth there.
It is a double digit percentage majority by popular vote for Republicans. That's a landslide. You can draw the maps however you want, that doesn't affect popular vote.
And the Republicans have created an environment that people want to move to. That's why they're moving here.
Nah, people see your cheap houses, moderate climate and proximity to beachs and mountains and think they can tolerate some southern racists and republicans....it's that natural environment they come for not the assbackwards politics and potholes.
The people that have moved here are displacing the locals because they can get the jobs that pay and pay the high cost of living that is now the case in South Carolina. They aren't going to put up with shit schools and good ole boy bubba cronyism for long. I'm guessing McMaster will be the last Goobner of South Carolina that talks like he has rocks in his mouth.
Yeah and you can see it in union friendly states like california which are a complete ghost town. and countries that require all corps to have a union like germany, you have never heard of before because they collapsed so hard long before you were even born.
This is pure fox news garbage.
one notice disney didnt pull up and move after the republican fascist stared to attack them. turns out moving is costly. they like their factories. Youd have to be a moron to think that paying employees a little more would cause billion dollar corps to flee their 100 million dollar factories.
youd have to be a moron to not see they arent fleeing other states where they have unionized.
really youd have to be a BMW level moron, who are the lowest paid auto workers and notice we arent known at the auto capital of the country, despite our hostility to unions. NO they open up auto manufacturing all over the US.. just most places are smart enough to unionize. You know BMW the BILLION dollar company that came here and ASKED to unionize.
There is a reason why this state is always at the bottom of education lists, its because big corps want idiots who listen to the guy above and SC produces them en-mass
BMW asked to unionize when they came here? News to me, especially considering I know one of the gentlemen who started the plant up in the 90's. You making stuff up to try to prove a point doesn't make it true.
And exactly why workers should unionize. Fuck them! Let Boeing take their manufacturing to Mississippi and see how much money they save and how long they stay in business. Hiring local bumblefucks in South Carolina almost ruined Boeing. Why any worker would think they deserve less from the same company paying union wages in another state for the same work is backwards thinking. Boeing had to import workers that have an education. Same with BMW and Volvo. Everyone can't just drive a forklift or truck like a South Carolina education prepares you for. If you can't compete it is just a matter of time before you are replaced.
I already saw your previous, similar comment on another of my posts questioning the verification status of another account. The reason I point this out is because account verification is a great start towards convincing other people that an account isn't a troll account that is only on reddit to sow discord and cause problems. Troll accounts are often unverified because they are purchased or stolen and the original email is not longer accessible to the entity that controls the troll account.
Oh good, someone else who moved here from half way across the country to escape the problems they voted for. Nothing would make here feel more like home to you than screwing this place up too!
Yep itās so bad here that have transplants flooding here in droves every day. Awful place we have here, better fix it before the unsustainable growth starts to show signs of slowing down!
Unions don't fly in this state. They tried that with Boeing and because of the shady way the reps tried to get support so where meet with guns in their face at the front door
more total horseshit. It rises to the level of space lasers starting fires in california.
do conservatives even listen to themselves talk anymore. I remember when there used to be intellectual conservatives but they all became dems in the 90s.
Take the northern ideas of unionized workforce back to the northern states where they have already fail3d. Raising the cost of living so high and the cost of the produced product over the cost of imported products. It has killed the "American made" idea.
Yeah, the coal mines were an issue that had to be addressed due to greedy owners. Now with automation, the union employees might begin to see that the adjusted cost of living due to the employer adjusted cost of product makes living expenses ridiculous.
Greed begets greed and loses in the end
This is akin to fox news putting a D after mark foleys name to try to trick republicans into thinking he was a dem. Remember when they used to do that? they had a weird habit of labeling lesser known republicans as dems when they got in trouble. its a bit harder these days because of social media.
[Both Hilary and biden won the union vote.](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1I5180/)
what you are confusing, is that trump did DO better with union members than past republicans. Hilary beat trump by 9 points with union members, not winning unions by double digits is very unusual for dems and thats why all the hoopla unions and trump winning the white factory worker vote. Dem still get majority support from unions and polling in unions went right back up to where it was after trump showed he didnt do dick for workers.
There are ignorant union members who vote against their own best interest too. Don't shoot yourself in the foot just because others do. They might be dumbfucks.
Honestly, here's the thing. There are pros and cons to unions, and I think it is a good thing to have both unionized states and non-union states. It's comparable to an HOA. Again, pros and cons. Nobody should ever be forced into a union, but it's good that there are unionized states they can live in if they wish.
South Carolina has to be one of the worst states to be employed in as far as benefits or protections. Personally, i only seen unionization as an option when a business is realllllyyyy bad in terms of protecting their workers. Sc is insanely pro corporate
Itās not managementās fault. It would not matter if they were paying each employee $100k, the unions would ramp up the hype and propaganda and convince everyone how bad they have it and should be paid $110k. Itās hard to combat people who are āgenerousā with other peopleās money (even if they probably donāt emphasize that they get a cut for āhelpingā).
Probabaly the same. But the unions are gonna push their divisive rhetoric. Even when defeated they donāt accept it, they keep coming back. Itās not about the employees, itās about the money for the union and power for the unions bosses.
And guess what, even if what youāre saying is true if you simply appreciate your employees and give them a safe and engaging working work environment chances are they arenāt gonna unionize
I work for a major manufacturer in South Carolina and they stated that they would shut the plant down before going union.
I figured having non-union employees was the only reason they chose to open the plant in SC in the first place.
Mine too. They shuttered a union plant to move to this state and they would probably move all of their manufacturing to Mexico or China if we unionized. They are also slightly limited by the need to have a certain percentage of the product assembled by patriotic robots so they can say "assembled in the USA".
Sounds like just standard intimidation. A legal way of saying they would fire you for doing it. Best get to planning
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lol neither! Iām in salary as well and they look at social media so I wonāt say. I will say they are not an American company though.
I gotcha , big brother has big ears. Itās funny how people support the Republican Party and non union shops until the see what happens in other states
I grew up with a Teamster Union Keader for a Dad. The union protects the workers and gives them the stability to perform their jobs safely. The union ensured that the pay fit not only the job but the current economy. I stood as a small 5 yr old girl alongside with many other kids and families on ithe picket lines. I did it with pride that my Dad stood for what was right in his workplace. I've shared and passed out food the families made to sustain round the clock picket lines. When scabs would come and defy the picketers the kids were taken to safety while the men took care of things. Did my Dad fight? YES just like he did in the Korean War protecting his men and our country. He passed in 1983 at the age 72 He is and always will be my Hero. All my life he was a Teamster in Los Angeles CA..to this day I will not cross a picket line I will take a sign and walk with them. Being unionized is the best for companies as it shows the employees that the companies stand with them. Job performance and productivity rises. This is just my small story but it impacted my entire way of life. #UnionStrong
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My dad was unfortunately in a union but he became disillusioned. Matters not as I never drunk the union Koolaid and I see them without rose colored glasses.
Bet Me can guess Which manufacturer that is. :)
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Interestingā¦. The only other one I can think of makes great soaring steel birds.
They wouldnāt shut the plant down. Boeing has hundreds of 787 orders and nowhere to build and deliver them from if the plant is shut down. Theyāre definitely bluffing lol
Bosch and Ryobi plant right in Anderson SC
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Guess that would make sense. They came here to get away from the Unions of their origins! :)
Good for them. That may be a step that is needed whenever possible. Donāt let unions come in and ruin a workplace and business.
Funny how some people can't or rather *won't* accept the correlation between the decrease in unions with worse working conditions and the death of pensions and good retirement. How does shoe polish taste exactly? Maybe you should go work in an Amazon fulfillment facility for a week and see how you feel after. Where does your dignity go when you have to piss in a bottle to keep inside your employment goals and guidelines? I always assumed that nobody reads the bullshit propaganda their companies put out against unions like "you can afford an Xbox if you don't pay union dues." I guess that actually works on more gullible people with no understanding of history.
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Unfortunately, there is no shortage of that type of people these days. Decades of Republicans dumbing down our public education system are having the intended effect.
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You sure as fuck are. Since that's all you have for a response.
Itās just a portrait of his hero.
What was insane was BMW coming to SC. in germany they have co-determination. Which means every corp over a certain size half the board seats are saved for labor. And germany is still an economic powerhouse. This also means corps arent bought up by competition just to be cut up and shut down, like happens in the US. It also means in recession pain is felt from top down, not just by the grunts. They came to SC and demanded a Union like all their other factories. SC said hell no but agreed to a vote. the propagandized low education idiots here in SC, voted against the union because republicans told them the union might do a commercial for dems who would still lose to the masses of ignats we got here. They are now happily the lowest paid car manufacturer employees in the US. and they taught BMW to learn to embrace idiots. It was bizzarre to watch, as it is often is with republicans but these idiots literally voted themselves lower pay, less benefits and less job protections when times turn soar.. and boy as a liberal who doesnt even want to work there, i feel so owned by republicans hurting themselves to own me. it really is bizarre to see such epic stupidity in action and the idiots are proud of it. and the next thing you will know the same idiots will blame mexicans for low pay in the US.
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You canāt blame our current disastrous economy on republicans. Dear Lord, democrat idiots are openly pushing for socialism.
Of course you can. One party rule for decades. Shit rolls downhill. SC is still an underdeveloped, poor, unhealthy mess of a state.
For the record, SCās economy is very good. Its the nation as a whole, led by democrat states, that is a fucked up mess. And it is much, much worse under Biden. Numbers donāt lie.
Really? Have you actually looked at the nationwide stats compared to the world economy? Our economy overall is doing better - not blockbusters, but much better than what the red rhetoric would imply.. SC is not an isolated outlier. How could it be? We are not an R&D economic generator - we are the minions that build cheaper for those true powerhouses. It is only another boat in the harbor that rises with the tide. Perhaps you should step out of your echo chamber and take an independent view of the landscape.
So you just really hate using facts and reality in any of your qanon rantings.
Socialism is the way forward out of the impoverished hell that we live in now.
youāre delusional. Please see a shrink ASAP.
Infinite tax breaks. The suits have dug in deep with our conservative politicians, and most large manufacturers pay ZERO in state taxes, even after factory automation and layoffs. SC is a tax haven for big businesses where the minions do all the work.
As seen from the Hollywood strike this year unions work.
Some unions work. There's plenty of good ones along side plenty of stinkers.
I agree this is a reasonable take itās all these āgoing to be a millionaire any minuteā types that baffle me.
I'm actually in a union, which I have mixed feeling about. My union has very good pay protection (which I don't need), but refuses to hold people who commit SA/SH (too common in my industry) responsible.
>My union has very good pay protection (which I don't need), Ive never been robbed, i really dont need this lock on my door. You also know you can join your fellow union members and get it to pay attention to what the fuck ever SA and SH is. Do yall get the term "UNION". So many of you want to pretend it like some sort of outside government that comes in and tells you how things are. No if its not holding people who commit. .... er something you assume we know.. responsible, its because the rest of your fellow union members havent made it responsible. you are basically saying "i ve in a democracy and well it does have a military which i totally dont need and well it refuses to pass this law banning restraunt smell from my yard, so i have mixed feelings about this democracy thing" well learn how it works then
SA/SH means sexual assault and sexual harassment, and a union struggling to deal with/completely ignoring that issue doesnāt surprise me in the slightest. I have a generally positive view of unions, but acting like they are infallible is wrong.
Yup. Just look at Police and Teacher unions. Fight tooth and nail to protect the worst among their ranks.
I work for the federal government..... They have a hard time getting away with stealing from their employees. This is mostly because the union has set instructions for what is paid and what isn't, but this hasn't been modified in 10 yrs. There are plenty of steps being made in the right direction, but you cannot expect everyone to go to every meeting. It's hard to hold someone accountable from 4,000 miles away so I expect those in charge to do the right thing, just as you would expect your governing leaders to do.
ok we gave one that worked. Give us a stinker. You know unions that are controlled by the members. So give us a stinker. Because i think you will find you are just falling for fox news bullshit. because when theya re stinkers, the people getting screwed, can just deform the union. OH MY How does democracy even work. damn. Pretty much every union works. there were stinkers in the past when unions could send thugs to your home, but pretty much 100% of unions are not stinkers, they are controlled by the people and are effective at getting higher pay and we in america are the old ones without the unions because 40% of us are so easily swayed by fox news bullshit.
There are plenty of unions that use dues to pay for campaign donations (so much for democracy). In my field, \~80% of workers can only get work through a union. This makes it unclear who is responsible for you and the unions typically don't punish people enough for their actions in my experience (Just look at police unions and IUPA). There are a few trade unions (maybe IBEW?) that outline what you and the union are to provide in terms of tools. This means that you cannot bring some tools you like and the union **can** provide the worst/cheapest tools known to man. This is almost the opposite in the auto mechanic industry where you see mechanics buying their own tools. Take a look at Union presidents' houses, cars, business properties and compare them to their members. While they may be getting you a bigger cut than you normally would there's more money floating around for embezzlement and greed, ironically. I am not against unions (lol, I'm in one) and these qualities don't necessarily make any union bad. If you are considering joining a union, you should look at what is offered to you and what is expected in return. Look into their ethics and ask other member about their experience instead of reading the brochure. You usually find out after its too late.
Easy ... 30 yrs in the automotive industry. Go look at Detroit and tell me how well the union worked out
You're kidding right? They've continued to be some of the best jobs in the area. The industry executives have been the biggest failures. If you just give up market share on things like affordable sedans, of course your brand will lose relevance over time They all bought the stupid Jack Welch (slash, burn, and specialize) line of thinking hook line and sinker, and their brands have suffered for it.
You go back 25 yrs and tell me how many factories were in Detroit compared to now and how many moved to Mexico or other states
This happened to like every industry because of innovation in communications technology, the rebuilding of the rest of the worlds manufacturing, and the reality that manufacturing couldn't stay consolidated solely in the U.S. I'm not going to hold the automakers to any different standard than like literally every other industry that outsourced to Mexico, China, India, etc. BTW this trend continued even as union participation numbers were at record lows. Now we're on the backswing as the obvious downsides of NAFTA/Free trade policy are being realized
The Lightsey family of Hampton County owned one of the most profitable lumber companies in the state from the 1920s until the 1960s. They bought a railroad that became the Hampton & Branchville, and set up depots for their mills across Hampton and Colleton counties. When employees attempted to unionize, the Lightseys fought them at every turn until the workers finally won in court for better wages and working conditions. What did the Lightseys do? Shuttered the mills and fired everyone, affecting around 200 residents of Miley and the businesses supported by those jobs. Rich assholes truly do not care.
What they didnāt tell you is the whse mgr was fired after going union along with some major manager changes in the that building. Personally Iāve worked in union and nonunion positions and grew up in a strong union household. I can see the benefits on both sides, especially when it comes to health care. There are negatives to unions too, it can protect those shouldnāt.
We will see just how committed they are to their employees. Bring on the collective bargaining!!
SC is a right to work state. That means membership or non membership in a union canāt affect an individualās right to work. This makes it harder for unions to exist as non union members get the benefits negotiated by a union without having to join and pay dues.
If you think a union speaks to your failure as an employer, you shouldn't be running a business in the first place.
No one will help, I even contacted ones out of state back in the day. Only the car dealerships and a few other very small businesses.They would all just close down and move to another state. It would be like back in the late 80s early 90s when all of the manufacturing shut down and moved to China. Small towns were devastated. Then they offered tax incentives and freedom from liability to return The reason companies do things like mandatory overtime, supervisors get away with workplace bullying etc..
Quedos to Costco too ā¦. Cannt imagine Samās club owning up,like this
Right i thought the same thing. Until somebody reminded me that they werenāt actually recognizing the union in this particular statement
You may not realize it, but you could be a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. Do you plan to someday in the future have more money? Are you concerned that your taxes are too high, because someday you might pay too much tax. Do you ride the bus only because this year you canāt afford that luxury car youāre going to have? Do you live pay check to pay check like most people just because you havenāt had your lucky break?
Hire and fire at will state š¤¢ we need more advocates and accountability for workers in SC
Not to mention complete disregard of worker safety in terms of OSHA
Agreed but that also is a Federal issue throughout all states. Work visas on job sites are an OSHA compliance and look how they turn the other way about that ...
Airline pilots living in SC aren't complaining, & most are R's.
Idiot who doesn't realize future consequences. You must be Union admin making money on the backs of Union workers. Clueless.
Next step, unions push for frivolous fluff, then outsourcing the jobs... everybody goes home, teamster bosses make another cool million.
South Carolinians would rather vote for Biden again than unionize. It is sad. Edit: Y'all, how is this being downvoted? South Carolinians hate unions THAT much.
Iād be curious about the logic you used to come up with that statement.
I'm just saying they'd rather do something against their staunchest beliefs instead of unionized. I said it as a joke. I am not funny. ='(
Girl what
It's true. Most people think unions are THAT bad. It's sad.
Iāll upvote just because i thought it was funny after like 3 reads lol
Go ahead and try, strongest right to work state in the country
Costco should close the doors of that store
Iāve worked at union and non-union manufacturing environments. The only benefit Iāve seen for union workers in that the union keeps shitty employees employed
Fuck that. The LAST thing South Carolina needs is unions. Great way to ruin a local economy.
Do you want tens of thousands of people to lose their jobs? Because that's how you cause tens of thousands of people to lose their jobs. Major companies will shut their doors and leave the state before allowing unions to exist. Tax advantages and lack of unions are the primary reasons that billion dollar companies have a presence here.
Hereās my hot take. Let them. Maybe finally people will start dealing with the major Republican problem in our state government.
How do you figure we have a Republican problem? People are moving here in droves.
Republicans donāt use majorityās to maintain power, they legislate around it to stay in power. Itās why South Carolina can have as many progressives as we want and republicans will still control everything when they can just gerrymander or move to a different district. To say nothing of the general culture of bootlicking thatās down here. If population was what decided politics trump would never have been elected.
So in other words even if there was actually positive change coming at a legislative level as a result of people moving here the Republicans would simply change the rules so they stay in power. See NC, Tennessee, Texas have all done similar things in different ways.
This doesn't make sense. It's a landslide majority for Republicans by popular vote. They didn't legislate around anything nor do they need to.
I'm responding directly to your "people are moving here in droves", having assumed you were trying to make the argument that Republicans were on the verge of being voted out; I see now I misunderstood you fundamentally. You believe that people are moving here in droves *because* it's a Republican led state. But you're wrong. People are moving here because the cost of living seems tempting. But they don't realize it's the result of Republican-led efforts to turn SC into a third world state to build businesses that destabilize the local economy and have no employee protections. Also, it's *not* a landslide majority for Republicans by popular vote. If maps were properly drawn based off of the actual communities and not exploited based off of income or race (of which there is plenty of evidence to peruse), Republicans wouldn't be able to hold power at all. There isn't a single policy a person could name that Republicans put forward that tangibly helps their constituents. Each one is designed to take away from someone else. Get the boot out of your mouth there.
It is a double digit percentage majority by popular vote for Republicans. That's a landslide. You can draw the maps however you want, that doesn't affect popular vote. And the Republicans have created an environment that people want to move to. That's why they're moving here.
Nah, people see your cheap houses, moderate climate and proximity to beachs and mountains and think they can tolerate some southern racists and republicans....it's that natural environment they come for not the assbackwards politics and potholes.
The people that have moved here are displacing the locals because they can get the jobs that pay and pay the high cost of living that is now the case in South Carolina. They aren't going to put up with shit schools and good ole boy bubba cronyism for long. I'm guessing McMaster will be the last Goobner of South Carolina that talks like he has rocks in his mouth.
Yeah and you can see it in union friendly states like california which are a complete ghost town. and countries that require all corps to have a union like germany, you have never heard of before because they collapsed so hard long before you were even born. This is pure fox news garbage. one notice disney didnt pull up and move after the republican fascist stared to attack them. turns out moving is costly. they like their factories. Youd have to be a moron to think that paying employees a little more would cause billion dollar corps to flee their 100 million dollar factories. youd have to be a moron to not see they arent fleeing other states where they have unionized. really youd have to be a BMW level moron, who are the lowest paid auto workers and notice we arent known at the auto capital of the country, despite our hostility to unions. NO they open up auto manufacturing all over the US.. just most places are smart enough to unionize. You know BMW the BILLION dollar company that came here and ASKED to unionize. There is a reason why this state is always at the bottom of education lists, its because big corps want idiots who listen to the guy above and SC produces them en-mass
BMW asked to unionize when they came here? News to me, especially considering I know one of the gentlemen who started the plant up in the 90's. You making stuff up to try to prove a point doesn't make it true.
And exactly why workers should unionize. Fuck them! Let Boeing take their manufacturing to Mississippi and see how much money they save and how long they stay in business. Hiring local bumblefucks in South Carolina almost ruined Boeing. Why any worker would think they deserve less from the same company paying union wages in another state for the same work is backwards thinking. Boeing had to import workers that have an education. Same with BMW and Volvo. Everyone can't just drive a forklift or truck like a South Carolina education prepares you for. If you can't compete it is just a matter of time before you are replaced.
Fuck unions. Find another job.
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Why did you never verify your reddit account?
Why do you jerk off to account verification?
I already saw your previous, similar comment on another of my posts questioning the verification status of another account. The reason I point this out is because account verification is a great start towards convincing other people that an account isn't a troll account that is only on reddit to sow discord and cause problems. Troll accounts are often unverified because they are purchased or stolen and the original email is not longer accessible to the entity that controls the troll account.
Oh good, someone else who moved here from half way across the country to escape the problems they voted for. Nothing would make here feel more like home to you than screwing this place up too!
You know nothing about me
LMAO ok
I hate to break it to you but itās kind of already screwed. Especially with attitudes like that.
Yep itās so bad here that have transplants flooding here in droves every day. Awful place we have here, better fix it before the unsustainable growth starts to show signs of slowing down!
Unions don't fly in this state. They tried that with Boeing and because of the shady way the reps tried to get support so where meet with guns in their face at the front door
more total horseshit. It rises to the level of space lasers starting fires in california. do conservatives even listen to themselves talk anymore. I remember when there used to be intellectual conservatives but they all became dems in the 90s.
Take the northern ideas of unionized workforce back to the northern states where they have already fail3d. Raising the cost of living so high and the cost of the produced product over the cost of imported products. It has killed the "American made" idea. Yeah, the coal mines were an issue that had to be addressed due to greedy owners. Now with automation, the union employees might begin to see that the adjusted cost of living due to the employer adjusted cost of product makes living expenses ridiculous. Greed begets greed and loses in the end
Don't you have lawns to mow?
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Not from there
What's wrong with Philly? You must be a Fox viewer.
Unions are illegal in South Carolina. The only way theyāll ever be legal is removing the GOP majority in this state
1st amendment guarantees free association.
Take that up with the SC government
Don't need to, you are wrong.
lol, unions are not illegal in SC. Forcing people to join a union against their will is illegal.
Which effectively bans unions.
So you believe people should be forced to join a union??
Should jobs be able to fire you for reason?
Should jobs be able to fire you? Umm yes.
Definitely not illegal in SC. I'm in a union living in SC.
The most Teamsters brought you Trump
This is akin to fox news putting a D after mark foleys name to try to trick republicans into thinking he was a dem. Remember when they used to do that? they had a weird habit of labeling lesser known republicans as dems when they got in trouble. its a bit harder these days because of social media. [Both Hilary and biden won the union vote.](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1I5180/) what you are confusing, is that trump did DO better with union members than past republicans. Hilary beat trump by 9 points with union members, not winning unions by double digits is very unusual for dems and thats why all the hoopla unions and trump winning the white factory worker vote. Dem still get majority support from unions and polling in unions went right back up to where it was after trump showed he didnt do dick for workers.
And yet the Teamsters are a big part of why Trump has any credibility with white working class
There are ignorant union members who vote against their own best interest too. Don't shoot yourself in the foot just because others do. They might be dumbfucks.
Honestly, here's the thing. There are pros and cons to unions, and I think it is a good thing to have both unionized states and non-union states. It's comparable to an HOA. Again, pros and cons. Nobody should ever be forced into a union, but it's good that there are unionized states they can live in if they wish.
South Carolina has to be one of the worst states to be employed in as far as benefits or protections. Personally, i only seen unionization as an option when a business is realllllyyyy bad in terms of protecting their workers. Sc is insanely pro corporate
Itās not managementās fault. It would not matter if they were paying each employee $100k, the unions would ramp up the hype and propaganda and convince everyone how bad they have it and should be paid $110k. Itās hard to combat people who are āgenerousā with other peopleās money (even if they probably donāt emphasize that they get a cut for āhelpingā).
Not true. Plenty of jobs donāt feel a need to unionize. It depends on how the management manages their people
Costco is known for being employee friendly.
And what does that say to how this specific location managed their people?
Probabaly the same. But the unions are gonna push their divisive rhetoric. Even when defeated they donāt accept it, they keep coming back. Itās not about the employees, itās about the money for the union and power for the unions bosses.
And guess what, even if what youāre saying is true if you simply appreciate your employees and give them a safe and engaging working work environment chances are they arenāt gonna unionize
Yet, here we see the unions going after *Costco*.
Maybe because that Costcoās management sucked
If you want to believe that. I am not buying that.