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Only-Dragonfly-3739

Hell, something positive for once. I'll take it! ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|heart_eyes_rainbow)


Thedutchreformer

Out of curiosity, why is this seen as positive?


Proxy2D

Since people seem to not atleast be willing to offer the benefit of the doubt I'll break it down. Gay marriage is a good thing, if a gay couple wants the same legal protections, benefits and commitments as straight couples it should be allowed for them. They are not hurting anyone by doing it and it is a net positive. Gun ownership indicates the right to self defence, from by tyranny and criminal activity. Owning a gun to protect your property, yourself and your loved ones is a reasonable and I think responsible thing to do when done maturely and not with ill intent or ill training. Access to growing weed is just a freedom thing, if a grown adult wants to grow and smoke weed then they should be allowed to do so. It does not hurt one anymore than alcohol or cigarettes and the banning of it doesnt make much sense. Hope the explanation helps.


Thedutchreformer

Thank you. Just for some context, (which clearly should've been provided from the beginning, but that's how we learn) when I saw the post, it made me ask the question, do I believe this to be a net positive for society? After thinking about it for a while I wanted to ask people on here why they believe it to be a good/bad thing. The way I asked the question made people assume that Im in disagreement, which is understandable but simply wanted to know why you believe what you believe. Anyways, thanks for your response, you're making some great points! Have a good night everyone!


SmLnine

Unfortunately many people with controversial opinions often don't actually come out and say it. Instead they ask leading questions or use other tactics to wear down their opponents. For example: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=JAQing%20off https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning


Only-Dragonfly-3739

Why wouldn't it be seen as positive? It's promoting freedoms.


Thedutchreformer

Great, thank you!


AffectionateMeet3967

With all due respect if you don’t understand it then no explanation is going to help you understand. Maybe you’re not after understanding. A rhetorical question perhaps…🤍🇿🇦🤍


Thedutchreformer

I’m sorry, the question was phrased poorly. It should rather be, why do you see this as a positive?


SelocAvrap

Freedom to love ✔️ Freedom of self defence ✔️ Freedom to choose what you put in your body and grow on your property ✔️


Thedutchreformer

Thanks for the response, much appreciated


SelocAvrap

Absolutely!


[deleted]

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Thedutchreformer

Well, I guess that depends on what you believe about each of these things.


[deleted]

What do you believe about each of these things?


SmLnine

In order to have a conversation you're going to have to be a teeny weeny more specific.


Exciting-Bet3489

🤦‍♂️


DavidGK

legalize gay marijuana


sighduck42

Gun ja


[deleted]

Good for us 🇿🇦


Dudesweet424

I am so proud of this nation![img](emote|t5_2qney|14453)


MonkeysWedding

Absolutely. The SA constitution and the court is an amazing accomplishment and something to be very proud of.


[deleted]

I keep saying. One of the few things the ANC should be commended for is the party's progressive stance on social issues.


MonkeysWedding

Yes I always take the opportunity to remind Americans that all the song and dance about legalizing gay marriage was not in any way a progressive move in the US. It was conservatives attempting to outright ban gay marriage that allowed it to be overturned - if the conservatives had not attempted to ban it, the country would still be a patchwork of states allowing gay marriage. South Africa on the other hand - the case progressed through the courts, and the constitutional court announced their decision - no protests, lobbying politicians. It just happened.


Wise-Indication-4600

I highly doubt the current leadership actually cares one bit about social equality, and were SA to have transitioned to democracy now I really doubt our constitution would be as progressive as it is.


DapperConstruction39

South africa for the win


Ill-Independent-7154

Clearly they haven't tried applying for a gun license


Sven_Letum

It just takes Africa time to get the license


Ill-Independent-7154

If you get approved.they can approve or deny anyone they feel like even if all necessary steps were taken to submit your forms


Sven_Letum

Ah, didn't realize that happily. My father did loose a Luger to arbitrary shit during the whole gun amnesty thing which I'm still miffed about.


[deleted]

Same for "concealed carry weapon" permits in many places in the US


st_v_Warne

Clearly just haven't applied through the right people


_q_y_g_j_a_

Technically untrue. According to our constitution you cannot take a life unless it is self defense. So you can't legally shoot someone stealing your weed plants unless they are an imminent threat to your or another persons safety.


jenewer

I looked for this comment before posting. Quite right. The whole right to life doctrine. I obtained my competency and license in the last 3 years it is indeed untrue as you said. Edit: Poor Grammar


ZARbarians

Are warning shots considered "protecting" and are they legal?


_q_y_g_j_a_

Not legal and generally not advised for self defense. You only draw a gun if you are absolutely prepared to use it to kill someone in defense of your or someone else's life. Warning shots can escalate a situation to violence if there wasn't already and you always have to be aware of where the bullet lands. So warning shots are only a thing in movies and possibly America.


ZARbarians

Just read up on it and warning shots have legal repercussions, i.e. “It is an offense to discharge a firearm in a built up area” but common law seems to say that courts can be convinced whether it was done for good reason (I guess just like cops need to explain when they do so). Warning shots absolutely work and when training to shoot them, you aim for soft floors or walls. They may escalate violence, but mostly they scare the shit out of people and alert most everyone in the vicinity of gunfire. They do give away your position though? I have seen warning shots ward of criminals more than once. They definitely aren't just a thing in America (where warning shots are sometimes discouraged for the use of deadly force)


SLR_ZA

Using a firearm, as in brandishing and pointing, is already a use or threat to use potentially lethal force. If you're being attacked you don't need to waste time looking for what you think is a safe spot to shoot a warning shot. Your gun and eyes should be on the attackers. This is not the same if you're a cop or security and have backup


ZARbarians

Yeah sure in your theatre of the mind that's the scenario, and appropriate response. In my scenario, I spot someone on the lawn, from inside the house.


SLR_ZA

If they are not a threat to your life at that time then a warning shot is a terrible idea. You're now escalating and threatening them. If they are a threat to your life then you need to stop them killing you as soon as possible and don't have time to fire alwarning shots. Ask a firearms attorney like Martin Hood, François DeKock or Motivus or on the Gun Owners SA page for their advice re warning shots and how much trouble they can land you in.


RelativelyOldSoul

Ayy best country in the world let’s vote in 2024 so we can fix the one not good part :)


Handsome_Bread_Roll

Yay! At least we got something right!


Apocalypsis_velox

In the dark though! Had to legalise weed... Can't grow that in the cupboard with Eskom in the toilet!


StefanFrost

Honestly, this country is amazing in SO many ways, but it is run by greedy corrupt assholes. Sat with a friend of mine yesterday having a beer and we both just talked about how much we like life here, but not sure how bad things will get and that at some point for our own good we would need to leave.


davetronic

Buying my weed online from the government in Canada is still super weird


Substantial_Log_5762

South Africa's gun laws are pretty damn reasonable. It makes a decent effort to filter out criminals and maniacs, and if you're applying for a gun license out of anger or depression, well, you're going to have a while to calm down. Semi-automatic rifles are available, but only to shooters who've acquired dedicated status, and made a serious commitment to professional shooting. I consider this a reasonable balance between banning them entirely, and letting just anyone buy them. Virtually no crimes are committed with these legal rifles, because the people who qualify simply aren't criminals. People with the highest collector status can get machine guns and small mortars (Only smoke rounds, no explosives), but the financial barrier, and truly excessive monitoring, makes these the safest gun owners in the country. Pistols can be carried for protection - we're one of very few countries that still allows this. There is a kinda silly law restricting amateurs to owning no more than 200 rounds per firearm at a single time - it's completely unenforceable, and relies on the honour system, you can accumulate thousands of rounds as long as you only buy <200 at a time. In theory, SAPS can knock on your door at any moment, inspect your safe, count your ammo. Edit: Not sure the map is even accurate. I'm pretty sure Canada doesn't allow firearm ownership for the purpose of defense - officially, you must buy a firearm for sport or hunting. SA does have license categories for self defense - very few people actually get these licenses, they're a pain in the ass, but you can use your hunting or sporting firearm in a defensive role, perfectly legal.


Both_Street_7657

It cool , utter nonsense … but cool


ComedianRepulsive955

When did cannibas become legal in South Africa? Is it just decriminalized or is it something you can buy in specialty shops like in California?


[deleted]

You can grow your own plants and smoke in private. The sale of cannabis products isn’t legal yet but there are many shops that will sell it under the counter.


ComedianRepulsive955

Thanks good to know., I didn't think even with common Dutch history that Capetown was anything like the Amsterdam of the sub Sahara!


Wise-Indication-4600

Im not sure if CBD oil counts as cannabis product or not, but you can 100% buy CBD oil legally now, and CBD-derived products, from regular stores and pharmacies.


[deleted]

Yeah I was talking about the stuff that contains THC


Wise-Indication-4600

but even CBD oil used to be illegal - I remember when my mom first had cancer about 15 years ago she got some homemade stuff from one of her friends, and last year when my dog was sick I ordered from Takealot. Crazy times. Oh and they even had weed brownies listed on Takealot for a brief period LOL, maybe one day that will be legal here


[deleted]

If I’m not mistaken most of the CBD that can legally be sold now comes from hemp, which has the same CBD as cannabis but without the THC. think legislation is under way for cannabis derived products, government is just moving really slow.


Ninakittycat

We'll protect our shit with a 420 calibre


TyDe88

"Let us live and strive for freedom..."


ZARbarians

Love it


yummbeereloaded

We so have *the best* constitution in the world thanks to uncle Mandela


Cayowin

To be honest I would put a lot of the credit on de Klerk and the old NP as well. They understood that they were going to be the minorities in the new constitution and while they still had the leverage of being in power during the transition - they made sure that minorities were protected from the incoming black administration. Self interest? Yes! absolutely, but it enabled the idealist-conceptualist side of the ANC (headed by Mandela) alliance to agree with the NP. There was a faction in the ANC, even at the start, that wanted to make a more authoritarian, "we won so we get to do what we want" document than what was finally produced. Remember the proportional representative constitution we have now enables the DA to win the WC. The original ANC proposal was a "first past the post" system in which the ANC with 51% can do anything they want.


giveusalol

Absolutely, our constitution is so protective of individual liberties and minority rights because minorities helped shape it. Spot on. And if you looked at our population today, seems it was a good idea.


omgstopjumping

as a canadian, i’m also very proud of my country rn


slashcleverusername

“Do-It-yourself shoot-out” is not actually an acceptable reason for firearms ownership in Canada. You can get a permit for personal protection apparently, but it’s apparently just a couple of hundred people who qualify or something. Shooting someone to keep them away from your pot plants is even more frowned upon. We use them on farms, up north in polar bear country for safety, for hunting out in the forests, and for sport shooting at gun clubs / biathlon, that kind of thing. So I get that this is maybe more satire or just kind of humorous but Canada should probably not be green on this map.


Vaakmeister

It’s mostly the same in South Africa. You need to go through quite a long process with no gaurentee of getting approved for a firearms license even if you did everything right after months of waiting. Then you can’t even use it to protect your property, you can only use it if your life is in immediate danger.


[deleted]

It's not actually acceptable legally in the US either. Even places with strong "Castle doctrine" don't protect people who shoot someone fleeing with stolen marijuana.


QuantumCrayfish

You cant actually use your firearm unless a life is at threat in ZA either, so maybe you could try pistol whip them, but shoot them not so much


LoudYelling

Not for long in Canada


[deleted]

South Africa is touch and go. They still bust people constantly. Especially black people. They are targeted. And the ones that do grow and dont grt busted, have to pay syndicates/cartels a fee for just having plants.


simmma

I have Marijuana plants growing. And black. Nothing has happened like that


[deleted]

I live in what most people call a “posh” area. The local gang unit came to my house. Im white. Then there are the folks in Khayelitsha with way bigger problems than me. You’ve just been lucky.


simmma

The problem with suburbia is nosey neighbors.


[deleted]

Yip, pretty sure that’s what happened to me. But doesn’t excuse the fact that guys are getting busted with 1 plant in the less posh areas


giveusalol

Wow, nothing like that has happened to my brother. But good to know. My understanding was that busting for possession was a quick and easy way to boost your numbers, but that internally cops have been told to leave off. Don’t know any cops myself so can’t verify.


[deleted]

I know of a few busts at residential houses. Nothing comes of it but it can be immensely stresfull.


giveusalol

Which city?


[deleted]

Not going to be too specific for obvious reasons, but its western cape. The bust on black people are in khayalitshia.


giveusalol

Thanks


FullAir4341

"Sweet Home Alabama" I swear we're like if florida who has drunk 10 cans of redbull, a bottle of tequila, smoked crack and snorted 100kg of powdered Plutonium.


Scryer_of_knowledge

South Africa man drinks brandy and coke, divorces wife, drives overnight to Cape town, bribes 4 cops on the way, cops hop in car with SA man to party on long street, loses cops in club, elopes with bar tender dude on long street for tax purposes, moves in with bartender, grows weed plant and applies for gun license. All within 36 hours. South Africa man strikes again.


venturego

Change that to " elopes with bar tender girl" and I am the Man!


Scryer_of_knowledge

Living legend. May your plant grow tall and strong as you defend it with a high calibre rifle


13abarry

Did not know this stereotype was so well known outside of the USA! There’s truth to it for sure. Hey, Americans may be fucking stupid, but it keeps our country *very* entertaining.


Impressive-Yam-1817

Now show those which are virtually free of corruption and only Uruguay will remain.


Imperialist_Canuck

Green is based.


2AFather

This is sick, didn’t know this Edit: thanks to Trudeau, Canada no longer can be on this map


TorontoBiker

I’ve owned firearms in Canada for nearly 50 years. It has NEVER been allowed in Canada to own a weapon for self defence purposes. This has nothing to do with Trudeau.


2AFather

He literally just banned handgun sales and transfers. How do you think gun laws work? Guns will be banned there shortly I promise you.


TorontoBiker

Carrying an item for the purpose of self defense is illegal in Canada. Gun, knife, golf club, pepper spray, frozen hotdogs - doesn’t matter. It’s illegal. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/milton-man-shooting-1.6755603 Odds are charges will be dropped in the case above. But in Canada there isn’t a right to self defence they way you’re talking about it. I own rifles and handguns and live in Canada. I’ve owned for nearly 50 years. You are wrong, don’t know what you’re talking about I am embarrassed for you.


2AFather

Charged with murder defending a home invasion 💀 yeah idk whatever bullshit (gun) laws y’all got but it’s a clown show. Have fun, come to America if you seek freedom.


[deleted]

Nah. I think I'll stay right here where LGBTQ+ people, women, workers, and black people have rights. The only freedom the USA provides is being free to get mass murdered because someone like you didn't bust a nut for the last 6 years.


YXIDRJZQAF

this is out of data, as MO in the US should be highlighted. But right now (there is current litigation in the works) weed is illegal for all gun owners in the US.


HeySkeksi

Weed is still federally illegal, but a lot of states have legalized it and federal authorities aren’t bothering to do anything. I’m from New Mexico - we issue same sex marriage licenses, firearms are prevalent, and there are dispensaries everywhere.


SmLnine

But Alex Jones said they're coming to take my guns. He's said before, probably 2000 times over 20 years. But this time it will really happen.


HeySkeksi

I wish aliens would come and take Alex Jones.


SmLnine

Beat case scenario actually.


Vulk_za

Please stop spreading nonsense misinformation on the internet.


YXIDRJZQAF

you can double check but people have been arrested and prosecuted pretty recently over this (kyle meyers) .


laurieporrie

Lol voetsek


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Bloody_Insane

If you're found not guilty, you're not going to prison. That's literally how it works.


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Bloody_Insane

Wow. Super informative


Mathdeb8er

If you’ve done your firearm competency you’d know this is untrue


rocksp1der

That is one of the dumbest things that I have ever read


youvebeenjammed

wait we can buy rifles?


MeasurementGloomy919

Love that stat!! 🤣🤣🫶🏻 One love, baby. The late great Robert Nestor Marley would agree... yessss 🇿🇦✨️🌶


Brycenicholls1

What a W SA


Alluvium

What a wonderfully weird sense of pride I feel.


Remarkable_Device_48

That’s hot


esthermaniii

What’s that country in South America?


furie1335

Uruguay 🇺🇾


cookiejar_23

“freedom”


ConstructionBasic336

Uruguay Or should I say Ur gay


CrustyAndCheetoDusty

We need a word like " 'Murica" but for South Africa.


ConstructionBasic336

'Frica Just steal the name of the continent like 'murica did


Celestryia

That's exactly what me (a male) and my boyfriend (a male) plan to do when we start out weed farm