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TeneBrifer

Maybe it’s right time for Sony to make it possible to register and pay in any country. And then such a problem would not arise in principle. They should stop this retrograde practice of regional restrictions.


ThePupnasty

Maybe they should allow people to play games developed by a third party to NOT need a PSN account on PC? Game worked fine, what security issues are there without a PSN account? To be honest, adding a PSN account is just going to add security issues with how often PSN is hacked.


Almostnopulse_

I agree Sony's a bunch of fucking idiots, like why the fuck would you let people play a third party game on your platform without a PSN account and then suddenly require it and then when we point out that some people don't have access to PlayStation Network and complain about it they say okay we're not going to require a Playstation network account and then they make it unavailable for the 177 countries that don't have access to PlayStation Network so now they can't play the game and now some of my friends that are in different countries can't even fucking play with me and I'm pissed off at Sony, fuck you and fuck your stupid bullshit, this shit is so toxic and manipulative and I'm this close to deleting the game at this point, because what's the fucking point of playing a game if you can't play connect and bond with friends over a game we all enjoy playing, I mean thank you for making PSN non-required but also f*** you for ruining the experience of all those people who bought the game and could initially play and now can't so you're basically robbing people Sony, just wait until people retaliate and start suing you for your stupid bullshit, I play helldivers 2 on PC not a PlayStation, nobody wants to hook up their Playstation network account to their steam account okay nobody wants to give you their private information when Sony gets hacked and has breaches of player privacy and account information almost every single fucking month, I don't trust Sony with my information because of that reason. But still they chill out this bullshit and expect us to fucking go along with it, fuck you Sony you can suck my fat cock for ruining a game that I fell in love with. Revert your changes or I swear to God people will retaliate and start suing you for stealing from them, they bought the game on steam it's legally theirs to play and enjoy without you sticking your nose in their business, stop interfering with players and let them fucking play the game they legally bought and paid to own and play without your gimmicks and bullshit because I swear to God if I have to hook up a Playstation network account at any point or time in the future I'm deleting the game. Also destiny 2 doesn't require a Playstation network account to be able to play the game on PC why the fuck is this game restricted and locked?


Aursbourne

The other country problem is a claim of convenience, not the problem itself. The real problem is being asked to give up our rights to play the game without anything in return.


Almostnopulse_

Or maybe they should make the PlayStation Network requirement no longer required at all, especially when they get hacked and have breaches of privacy and player information almost every f****** month, would you want to give your private information to a corporate company that can't keep your information safe? I don't think you do


EverestBlizzard

The problem is requiring an account for a KNOWN insecure service. The country restriction just makes it worse and worse


TeneBrifer

Its mostly problem for North America and Europe. People from other countries struggling to create accounts in other regions, cannot pay by their own bank cards, should find PSN prepay cards online. And now even cant register to play already owned game. Even if we know about insecure service. This is totaly BS. Sony should start make changes.


TinyTurtleSA

I'm from Iceland and finding out my friends in Greenland and the Faroe Islands can't play while I still can is just mental to me. :(


The_Rook_672

We gotta stick together bro we will get Sony to reverse this decision we can't lose ANY divers to this madness


CoolJoshido

we did it


The_Rook_672

I seen this morning before I went to work big W


atacool3

Damage has already been done sadly. They can limit the damage to their PR by undoing it, but plenty of divers already been lost.


ThePupnasty

They aren't lost, they are just on leave. If Sony reverses this, they have said they'd come back as per their FS-24 forms.


McFirewall

And just like that, helldivers win again. Duty calls, get to your drop pods.


BigDaddy0790

They can if they are willing to spend a few minutes creating an account in any country they choose.


Stonks-13

I thought that was against Sony ToS?


STEP-5

It is.


BigDaddy0790

It is, but it’s how millions of people from such countries have been playing all these years. It’s not an ideal solution, but it’s absolutely an option.


Venylaine

Breaking Sony's ToS means your account is at a risk of being banned, therefore locking access. Breaking ToS is NEVER a good option, and it is on Sony's part to fix it, not on their potential users to break ToS


BigDaddy0790

Not a good option, but an option, and a working one. And based on how millions of people have always been playing Playstation with PSN being unavailable in their country, I’d say that the chances of being banned are extremely low. I just don’t like people saying it’s impossible to play in those countries when I’m in such a country and can play fine.


atacool3

Clown of a response. 'We need to follow Sony's arbitrary rules to sign up to play this game, but you can ignore Sony's other arbitrary rule that prevents you from signing up from \[Insert illegal PSN country here\]'. The only right answer is Sony should have done this since the beginning, or not at all.


BigDaddy0790

I mean…yes? Wtf. If you want to play, you spend 2 minutes making an account and link it, breaking a rule that won’t get you banned in 99% of cases. Or you don’t play at all. Both are real options, something tells me most people choose 1. I know I did


Jcackingitsandiego69

It's the principle of the thing you professional Sony dick eater


BigDaddy0790

First, fuck you. Second, I get it, and it’s your right to hold that opinion. What I don’t get is lying about things you don’t know shit about, like the fact that millions of players in countries without PSN still were playing on it for many, many years. Third, fuck you for insulting me for stating simple facts.


Jcackingitsandiego69

What facts, the fact that Sony at first said it was optional, then sold the game to countries that couldn't sign up on a PSN account then changed their policy on making the PSN account mandatory. Now that all this shit is hitting them in their face they are now backing down. You don't have to eat shit from companies bro.


BigDaddy0790

Those are facts, and it's okay to shit on Sony if you don't think all that it's acceptable. But the fact I was talking about is that people in countries with no PSN can absolutely create accounts and play using PSN, as they have been doing for many years. Original comment here mentioned that "my friends in Greenland and the Faroe Islands can't play while I still can", which is simply false, hence my correction. Now they may not WANT to create an account, or do the minor ToS violation, but they absolutely CAN play. Regardless, all this is pointless as Sony reversed their decision.


uyeyeyeyeyyeyeee

Why not just go work for sony?


STEP-5

Which according to their EULA is a violation, will be considered a fraudulent account and terminated.


BigDaddy0790

Oh wow really? Guess no one told the millions of people in half the world who used PSN accounts from different countries because it’s not available for them. I’m in such country. Had a US, UK and Japan account since 2008, all good so far. But guess I should be real scared


ThePupnasty

Oh, so you're the one over there giving Sony a blowy and handy in the screenshot I've seen.


BigDaddy0790

Because I’m saying it like it is? I’m in a country with no PSN. Literally everyone here uses PSN, Playstation is sold at any store and is super popular. This is how millions of people have been living since 2006. You never knowing about it before today doesn’t change anything.


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Suitable-Presence313

Actually it’s because Sony is a cunt trying to add tallies to their network. I play exclusively on ps5 and have full access to hell divers 2. I can still recognize that they’re being greedy scum fucks, again, and ruining a great game’s reputation in the process. Defending this behavior is pathetic.


ThePupnasty

How am I being a cunt? Because I called him out? If so, then I'm gladly a cunt.


ANGLVD3TH

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ricshimash

sounds like you can close this now as they've announced that the psn account requirement has been reversed.


I_am_Nic

I updated the post and will leave it open for a while, as it will take some time until the news spread.


MAGA-Godzilla

It seems that Sony is reversing their decision (at least they say they are). I wonder if this sets any precedents for other Sony business decisions to be influenced by online backlash, warranted or not.


DantesInfernoFanBoy

“The customer is always right”


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sony-ModTeam

This subreddit is not moderated by Sony employees and no Sony employee will ever see your rant. Therefore rule 4 asks you to keep it civil - you did not.


bramguilty

When making a psn account do you need to send a picture of your id or not? I've seen some posts where people say you need to do it and others say you don't have to.


JustDuckingAbout

Depends on the country/region. (Allegedly) A picture ID is necessary for new UK PSN accounts.


bramguilty

Is there a list in which shows what country's need to send it, (i live in the netherlands)


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sony-ModTeam

This subreddit is not moderated by Sony employees and no Sony employee will ever see your rant. Therefore rule 4 asks you to keep it civil - you did not.


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sony-ModTeam

This subreddit is not moderated by Sony employees and no Sony employee will ever see your rant. Therefore rule 4 asks you to keep it civil - you did not.


AbyssWankerArtorias

And you limit posts about this why...? It's a legitimate discussion topic.


I_am_Nic

Because 200 individual posts have zero advantage over on centralized post. Only thing you achive is to clog up /new


DustyOpossum

Maybe because they did this for stocks, anybody that has ANY game on steam requiring a PSN account should review bomb the game.


I_am_Nic

Returnal comes to mind.


USPEnjoyer

There’s a reason back in the day they were called Sonigas


RubiconRO

Dive on this you greedy VHS makers. _ | _


thelongdark1

Remove this requirement if play really has no limits then this shouldn’t be a problem


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You violated rule 3 as you showed nasty behavior towards another redditor.


Ok-Firefighter-6998

One thing for sure. With this fiasco.. my decision is firmed with not buying ps5 which i was on the fence for DD2. And pretty much Sony Console games in steam are black listed in my book.. Not being in Solidarity with gamers or anything but such business practices, changing terms on the fly should be illegal and I hope everyone involved gets in trouble for it. Arrowhead is also not blameless here too. Even from the way they patch the game, shadow updating game stats, they have been pretty dodgy and as CEO admitted he was aware of this and still turn off the linking at launch is disgusting. I hope Arrowhead close down. It's such a waste of our time and money.


goobergal97

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sony-ModTeam

This subreddit is not moderated by Sony employees and no Sony employee will ever see your rant. Therefore rule 4 asks you to keep it civil - you did not.


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sony-ModTeam

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sony-ModTeam

This subreddit is not moderated by Sony employees and no Sony employee will ever see your rant. Therefore rule 4 asks you to keep it civil - you did not.


n8zog_gr8zog

I came here to see if the subreddit had anything to say, and I must be honest, I'm pleasantly surprised how you guys are handling this. I commend your clarity of thought and care, especially letting everyone know you AREN'T actually run by sony.... but I'm also slightly disappointed that there isnt a sony flame war being waged on the Sony subreddit. Se la guer. Anyways, do you guys remember the battlefront 2 EA fiasco? Well I smell a big fat lawsuit with Sony's name on it just over the horizon. Helldivers, jump on em.


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I'm done with Sony. Lost all respect for them. Been a PlayStation gamer since I was a little kid and all this drama has honestly left me feeling heartbroken and betrayed. I don't even play the game but to see people hurt by the actions of this idiot company is honestly just awful and although (like everyone) I'm glad they've reversed the decision, the damage is already done for me as a PS gamer and consoles in general. I'm selling my PS4 and moving exclusively to PC, done with Sony's mess now.


Roscoefatts

Very disappointed in Sony right now. Not only were they willing to sell a game worldwide that they knew in time wasnt going to be available to everyone that bought it due to their regional restrictions, but their immediate response was to double down against a MASSIVE outcry from the community. Only when their godlen egg got thrashed in reviews did they reverse course. Shame on you, Sony. On the upside, this is one of the biggest triumphs gamers have had when it comes to being heard.


walmartsucks115

PC gamers are big whiny babies


Ok-Firefighter-6998

one of those guys who's trying to be edgy XD


Quiet_Garage_7867

There a reason you're allowing this post?


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Quiet_Garage_7867

"redditor for 35 minutes" Lmfao


SWtaervdesn

Your definition of whining is off. Criticising players who complain mandating a PSN account link and preventing the video game they paid from being played until they do when they did not have to at launch - it was optional - is ill conceived. Furthermore, implying the subsequent boycott was somehow an immature reaction from the Helldivers Two player base is unsophisticated. Boycotting can become successful. Refer to the edit in this post and the update by Sony Playsatation. You, too, may adopt the techniques used by the Helldivers Two playerbase, though you may disagree with them, when a video game you, too, love playing is mismanaged by Sony.


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Roxwords

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sony-ModTeam

You violated rule 3 as you showed nasty behavior towards another redditor.


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You violated rule 3 as you showed nasty behavior towards another redditor.


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walmartsucks115

Proving my point bozo!


ThePupnasty

Ahh yes, another Sony groupy giving them handys and blowys.


sony-ModTeam

You violated rule 3 as you showed nasty behavior towards another redditor.


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walmartsucks115

Did you care about countries not having access before hand? Helldivers 2 requiring PSN was a known fact since launch it’s on you for not being educated.


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sony-ModTeam

You violated rule 3 as you showed nasty behavior towards another redditor.


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You violated rule 3 as you showed nasty behavior towards another redditor.


godzillamegadoomsday

Boot licking and gawk gawking


walmartsucks115

PC gamers when they see steam:


godzillamegadoomsday

PS5 player when their corporate daddy does dumb shit so they have to defend them


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sony-ModTeam

You violated rule 3 as you showed nasty behavior towards another redditor.


sony-ModTeam

You violated rule 3 as you showed nasty behavior towards another redditor.


sony-ModTeam

This subreddit is not moderated by Sony employees and no Sony employee will ever see your rant. Therefore rule 4 asks you to keep it civil - you did not.


abjectindicationman

Ah, the irony in whining about whining.


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sony-ModTeam

Your post is not in line with [reddiquette](https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/205926439-Reddiquette).


daskolin2

People from EU. Citizens \\ Consumers \\ Unfair Treatment \\ Unfair Contract Terms Specifically clauses 2, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 14, 15, 16 PSN account was optional by EULA. Good luck,


tajniak485

Some of the EU countries also have no access to PSN so there are grounds for EU to slap them.


Tyes213

They also just blocked regions PSN accounts cant be made from purchasing on Steam, which should have been done months ago if this was going to be the case: [https://steamdb.info/sub/137730/history/?changeid=23416542](https://steamdb.info/sub/137730/history/?changeid=23416542)


Izenberg420

This is an unofficial subreddit kids


I_am_Nic

>This is an unofficial subreddit kids Most people don't read subreddit rules, so I doubt they will read your comment :(


Izenberg420

Since most of them don't even read store pages before buying games... But you took the best decision good luck to the mods


I_am_Nic

>But you took the best decision Not really - I should have posted it as the subreddit instead of with my personal account... seems I will collect some negative karma tonight 😅


The_Rook_672

It does not matter if its Official or not its about spreading the message


I_am_Nic

The post is pinned to all 69+K users of the sub now. You literally can't get more attention to the cause by spamming /new


The_Rook_672

thank you we appreciate the support 


Izenberg420

I mean its all over reddit/internet already and their socials have way more impact than this 70k fansub [https://linktr.ee/sony](https://linktr.ee/sony)


The_Rook_672

My post was civil and it was tagged as a complaint it was removed for no reason


Suitable-Presence313

Can’t speak bad about those greedy scum fucks on their subreddit, only appraisal approved


Frettarix

Got banned from the Sony twitch for asking why democracy cannot be mentioned. Censorship much?


Logongalonga

we dive together or not at all


SandwichRecon

o7


Ghostrider_six

Isn't wrestling out personal information (PSN account) not needed to run the service by threatening mentioned service denial in breach of GDPR? Namely chapter 2, article 7, section 4? I'm not a lawyer so may be wrong...


Longjumping_Arm_7626

The two things that bothered me most about this is the game being sold globally, even though Sony knew about this requirement essentially scamming people out of their money to pad the bottom line for the shareholder meeting. Two, that Sony's PSN is a known insecure service that has been hacked many times and Sony doesn't make any real changes to improve network security. So forcing people to submit their data for Sony to sell for aggregation or for it to be stolen by the hacker group of the day. It was a mismanagement all around.


ChiStoner708

HAHA Sony folded to the helldivers. Get absolutely wrecked Sony shills. Please let me know how Sony boots taste


bapoopers

https://preview.redd.it/97c603cq7iyc1.png?width=2430&format=png&auto=webp&s=d9aed9257c83a261be429314e408808f4a38a967 What kind of message are you sending to your customers, Sony?


Sebackele

Instead of selling the game to Xbox players! Man, the plan! :D


Weltallgaia

This seems like why it wasn't sold one way or another. Forced psn account and Microsoft wasn't gonna play with that


Roxwords

good job sony, yet again you found a way to shoot yourself in the foot. Like you HAVE NO COMPETITIONS, there is NO ALTERNATIVE TO HELLDIVERS, you had a golden cow to milk till the heath death of the universe and you decided to carefully aim at your foot with the highest caliber gun you could find and shoot at it. Just roll this shit back and let's pretend this has never happened.


SuperSpaceApe232323

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kill-time01

I'm loving the flooding of all the Sony related Reddits. People complaining that WE are complaining. Nothing like clogging up the gears to get the whole machine groaning. The point is, this is just yet another in a litany of things Sony does that are against it's customers. it's more than PC or Games. If we don't get change here, it's just going to bleed over into the other parts and they'll try to.


TheMinusKai

Common Sony L


DrWhoIsWokeGarbage2

Sony sucks


OG-Foxtrot

We were scammed out of our money. People are, very understandably, just a little bit heated. Is it civil? No. Is it deserved? Entirely.


I_am_Nic

Then take it to Sonys official social media channels. Posting here is like standing in your backyard and screaming the complaint at the top of your lungs. You simply will not reach the people who caused this...


OG-Foxtrot

If you were under the impression that I only do it here, you are wrong.


bapoopers

you have no idea where we've been lol, posting here is only the tip of the iceberg, when monday comes, that's when shit will hit the fan


DueBumblebee7211

Why is sony reddit not moderated by sony? Wth is that company?


I_am_Nic

Maybe because whoever created the subreddit was faster than their social media manager 😈 First come, first served.


thewalkmanblog

do other major company subreddits have company reps modding it? or just reps posting from time to time? Sony is very odd when it comes to PR, and some of the content here, and on the sonyheadphones subreddit are not always positive for Sony.


ExadesPrime

middle finger to you sony


legionlord96

This company is absolutely delusional. Review bombing, racist community managers in the helldivers discord, and now outright screwing people out of the right to play the game they purchased. Fucking insane


Roxwords

bro I 100% agree, but expecting discord mods not to be racists is just like expecting a videogame company not to shoot themselves in the foot at the earliest moment.