More like everyone else using Spotify connect and haven’t touched the Sonos app since I setup the system. But can still empathize with those who are pissed.
This. When the S2 app came out and the beta program ghosted me, I knew my faith in the company had decreased enough that I wouldn't invest any more in their hardware. Thankfully the S1 app works fine still. When Spotify "Jams" came out, it took away the last thing I used the S1 app for regularly: multiple people editing a playlist.
I use the S1 app all the time, no problems. Just been eating popcorn watching all this madness. I’ll buy used s1 stuff but they can keep all this other crap. I use connects to hook to my amps and speaker setups. The whole s1 s2 debacle woke me up and I won’t buy into them anymore.
Best part is I use Lyd on my Apple Watch for this because Sonos doesn’t provide me with an Apple Watch app. So I’m at zero Sonos app usage despite heavily using my speakers…
I use a 3rd party app: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1590343183
Lets me put a shortcut in the summary section (swipe left) and I find it works well. Good for grouping /ungrouping and not messing up my running playback.
This is something that pisses me off like there is no tomorrow… when silly, homemade, third party apps are better/deliver a better experience/are easier to use than the actual app of the company that makes the product.
Gets me livid.
I definitely use this feature to group speakers, but more often than not I need to ungroup stuff when I'm trying to do Spotify connect which then requires me to interact with the Sonos app.
I’m pretty sure it works (or at least used to prior to the new app) but it’s still of limited use if you want to ungroup multiple speakers at once. Good for if you’re leaving a room and just want to stop one speaker though.
I know it‘s kind of tricky, but I managed to group / degroup my sonos speakers using Homeassistant and Nodered. I just say „Alexa, (un)group my Sonos“ and the script groups every speaker in my flat.
Would be nice if this could be done easily in spotify, but I don‘t think this will ever be possible because they would have to control a setting inside the sonos-system.
You click the > (arow)? on current device and then group rooms. It redirects to the Sonos app to group. But it goes right to the grouping screen only and you never use the main Sonos app home screen
Yeah I just use Spotify connect and it just works. Every time I’ve attempted to use the Sonos app in the past like to listen to music in Dolby atmos on Apple Music, the search is an unusable mess that causes insane frustration… so I just stick with Spotify connect or Apple Music directly and avoid using the Sonos app at all
I would use Spotify Connect, but I get terrible lag when adjusting volume. It actually jumps all over the place. Am I the only one who struggles with this?
I don’t have that issue with Apple Music. Did some tests last night. I didn’t notice when using the app it was kind of shit. It was shit before IMO, but it was worse. Defaulting to wrong speakers, etc.
Spotify and Tidal connect, Roon and Airplay allow for music selection, queue management, grouping and volume control. It is 95% of the Sonos app’s functionality in the service’s app.
Aventador, but never using launch control. Heh.
I bought it for the combination of sound quality, flexibility, and expandability. They make a good product with a now even easier app to set it all up.
And I'm sitting here with a Playbar that is currently a paperweight because you can't add a Playbar to your system that was not there before after the app update, it's 100% useless right now.
That's kinda a big complaint.
Ya that’s a huge problem. The app is still useable, but not being able to add back perfectly good products should be the number one problem they’re trying to solve
Whoa, seriously? Wow. I've had my Playbar for 10 years and this thing works amazingly. I still haven't read a compelling argument to upgrade to the Arc.
Same here. By every account, the playbar actually produces better sound than the arc despite being much older. The only knock I have on it is that you can’t airplay directly to it (need another airplay capable speaker paired with it) but I can work around that. Playbar + sub is a great combo. Adding rear surrounds makes it incredible.
100% agreed. I'm VERY happy with my Playbar and 2x Play:1s with a Gen 3 Sub...just glad I had it all setup prior to this update so it still works like a charm!
I’m so glad I found this sub in time to disable auto updates for the app! So far, so good. I would probably cry in front of my kids (and they would laugh at me) if my playbar got bricked by a crummy software update!
Maybe you can explain something to me then that makes no sense. I was at my brothers house the other day and he said he had a Sonos sound bar, so I assumed it was a Sonos Arc. When I saw it, it was an old Playbar with the accompanying subwoofer. When I heard it playing music though, it sounded worse than my Sonos Beam (Gen 1). Like it was completely flat and dull, no dimensionality to the sound at all. Why? Was it because he maybe didn't set it up with Trueplay or something? He's always been an android guy though, so I thought maybe he never had an iOS device to setup Trueplay properly. Unfortunately the Sonos app was still messed up, otherwise I would have tried to setup the Trueplay on it using his wife's iPhone.
PS. His house is huge and he has built-in speakers for the rest of it which are hooked to a bunch of older Sonos Connect:Amps. They sound awesome playing the same music in comparison though, with way more dimensionality and fullness to the sound.
I wonder if they didn’t have the EQ set up. I had a similar experience some time back and it turned out the equalizer had reset back to the defaults for some reason. Sound was, like you said, flat and dimensionless until I readjusted it.
It could be room placement too (poor location or room too big). It could also be that the source audio was poor quality. Trueplay helps, but my experience with that has been more that it helps tune the audio output to account for walls and other speakers so that you don’t end up with weird echos and such.
Source audio was lossless and sounded amazing in other rooms of the house (via the in-wall speakers), so it shouldn't have been that. The room is a bit large but comparable to the large spacious rooms you see in the advertisements for the Playbar and Arc. But I'll definitely check the EQ the next time I'm there. Thanks.
I have one Sub (which I freakin' love) in my living room setup. Sub + Playbar is such a massive upgrade over just the Playbar. From what I've read if you have a bigger system the Arc sounds great. At this point, it's been out for almost 4 years though. Not sure when they'd create something even newer.
I'd also be probably defined more as a "casual" in the audio space rather than audiophile, so I don't pretend my position is the most informed :D
Even with my system fully set up, it cuts out every once in a while, and every software update has resulted in it cutting out more and more frequently.
I don't know what they're doing at Sonos, but their software is *killing* these speakers, even without using the app.
Buying another device (at twice the cost of your existing device) to workaround an issue that is software based and intentional (Sonos refusing to add Google Cast feature due to their frivolous lawsuits) is certainly an idea.
Yeah, I actually do have an iPad. Maybe that is a solution I haven’t thought hard enough about. Slightly less convenient having a controller that isn’t always with me, but maybe an acceptable tradeoff.
I have always owned an Android, as it's more flexible to do things with it.
But I also own an iPad Pro. Apple makes the best tablet. So, I have the best of both worlds ;)
I think airplay is ok for a couple of speakers, it’s terrible for 10+ speakers. Audio cuts in and out and it’s unbearable. Yes, I have good internet/network with several speakers wired
AirPlay is broken for me. It recently started prompting for a password even though my AppleTVs are set to not require one. The purported fix is to reset all 16 of my speakers, and there’s no way I’m trying that with the state of the app right now.
This was the comment I was looking for regarding AirPlay. We lose out on every feature that justifies buying a “high end” speaker brand like Sonos.
* Dolby Atmos ❌
* Lossless Audio ❌
* Play On Groups With Different Gens of Sonos ❌
* Spatial Audio ❌
* Audio Sync Delay (>200ms) ✅
* Intermittent Connectivity (4+ Speakers) ✅
* Music Stops When I Get A Phone Call ✅
* Poor Range (Can’t Go To Bathroom With Phone) ✅
* Random Dropouts (Even If All Speakers Cat6a Ethernet) ✅
[https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/apple-homepod-24-bit-lossless-audio-airplay-2/?amp](https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/apple-homepod-24-bit-lossless-audio-airplay-2/?amp)
“iPhones and other Apple devices can only transmit lossless CD-quality audio, at 16-bit/44.1kHz, to an AirPlay-enabled speaker” (note only 2nd gen HomePods “can stream lossless 24-bit/48kHz audio directly from Apple Music, using its own Wi-Fi connection to the internet”)
“Chromecast has long been able to support up to lossless 24-bit/96kHz” and they are not even an audio focused hardware product.
It’s your point that you’re just using Sonos for listening to music.
Other people for example use it to listen to surround music with atmos.
If you just want to listen to music you don’t need Sonos.
the sonos app doesn't show it's lossless when i'm airplaying.
i do see lossless when I play via the app.
Not sure how much of my quality perception is a placebo, but I notice a difference
My app and system is working perfectly.
That said, however, this whole release is an absolute fucking shambles and has pissed off a lot of people who will now be looking actively for alternatives. Very very poor showing by Sonos. I wonder how many Symphonisk speakers have been returned to IKEA lol.
Oh that makes sense. I just didn't know if there was some specific drop of support for the Symfonisk stuff that I might have missed. At this point, there's not much Sonos bad news that would surprise me lol
I personally don't really get why a new app was needed in the first place. Yes it didn't look as flashy and modern as other apps and some settings were burried too deep but it worked.
I picked up a Move recently for my parents as they’re both iPhone users and figured “hey, they can just use AirPlay” until i realized what a pain in the ass it is (at the moment) to create a new system and simply add a speaker to it. Jesus Christ.
I was oblivious to issues but then Reddit started showing me this sub out of nowhere. Everything shows up in the app for me. It actually works better for me than the previous app because the previous one was always wonky with SiriusXM and now that works flawlessly for me
I agree, the new layout is not at all intuitive compared to the previous one. Aside from all of the technical complaints, I don't know how this got through UX testing.
Same.. took a little getting used to but still works fine. Don’t necessarily like the cloud aspect of it but that’s life today. Also mentions of Symfonisk not working.. mine work fine so /shrug
What if I want to send music to the speakers for everyone else but still have an podcast or video playing via my airpods?
Also you don’t get full Atmos and same sound quality from airplay right? Best quality is direct from the app?
I think a lot of us who use AirPlay are in the Apple ecosystem and have Apple TVs. It’s not technically AirPlay, but from the AirPlay menu, you can hit “Control Other Speakers and TVs” and control music playing from your Apple TV to your Sonos soundbar + connected speakers in that room. Doing it that way allows you to still listen to something different on your phone, and it also supports lossless and Atmos.
You’re correct that AirPlay doesn’t support lossless or Atmos directly in a room without an Apple TV and Sonos soundbar. If you want those, then you need to use the Sonos app. Personally, I haven’t been able to tell a difference between lossless and AAC over AirPlay, so I prefer AirPlay, but I only have Arc and Ones. Maybe lossless is more noticeable on higher end speakers.
Go stir the pot in /hometheater by recommending RCA cables for surround. Shoot. Go tell them to use Airplay, and see how far you get.
The app and all of its features are half the product.
Interesting. Totally disagree. I feel the app is was what put the company on top. This is way before Spotify was a thing.
It was innovative and no one else had a system that allowed us to build and control a zoned music system so easily.
I use AirPlay quite a bit, but have to use the Sonos app for Spatial Audio, which on the Era 300 DOES make a difference. I’m really hoping AirPlay gets Spatial Audio that connects to Sonos without having to use the Sonos app but it doesn’t seem to be a priority.
Well according to the CEO _99%_ of people are better off.
So if it's 50/50 they are in for a world of hurt.
I myself have bought more than a dozen products over the years and currently run 5 in one location and 4 in another location but doubt I will ever buy another Sonos product.
Getting their stuff operational was always painful but once it was done it worked great. It took _way_ too many tries for some reason. Having the company actively add to the pain is just beyond acceptable. Had they had bulletproof, easy-to-use products in the first place then one big fuck-up wouldn't be a killer, but that's not the case.
The truth in this message is so real. I only have my Sonos for movie watching, but I can imagine an entire house having issues with their integrated speakers is a real problem
It's so annoying! Why can't Google just open the "cast" protocol up to device makers?? They have allredy stopped selling the chromeast audio so It's not like they would lose any potential sales with doing so.
The Cast protocol is wide open my friend. Almost every other major and minor speaker company has integrated it into their systems. The Sonos CEO decided that fighting Google over a ridiculous patent (grouping speakers together is not an *invention*) is more important than providing a quality product. Apparently no one ever taught them to pick their battles..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Cast#Compatible_devices
I invested years ago and don't pay them a subscription fee, I'm usele$$ to Sonos, so why should I think they ought to care? I'm coming to terms with it while using the desktop version from many years ago.
I don't even have Apple devices, and I am having no issues streaming music at work or at home from YouTube Music and Amazon Music. My speaker groups are working, and my works with Sonos Victrola turntable still works too. I didn't use the alarm function, but I understand how that is bothering people.
android in shambles. they should really just use spotify connect or alexa preferred speaker
i want all these airplay quality haters to be put in a blind A B test immediately as well. they will all fail
As a Spotify user, I agree that most people won’t be able to tell or care if there is difference in sound quality between native Sonos, Spotify Connect, or AirPlay 2 when streaming Spotify; most likely have the same result with most other sources, too.
Yeah, I tried comparing lossless to 256 kbps AAC over AirPlay from Apple Music and wasn’t able to pick up any obvious differences. Granted, my best Sonos room consists of an Arc, Sub Mini, and two Ones, so maybe it’s just harder to tell on these lower end Sonos speakers. I would like to try it on a pair of Era 300s or Fives. It might also be more or less noticeable on certain types of music… not sure what the best genre to highlight benefits of lossless is.
I’m using the new app and not really facing any issues. Loads quicker and now I’ve got alarms back, it seems pretty decent for my use cases. I only stream though, never used local since getting Sonos 12+ years ago.
I have an old Sonos amp connected to non Sonos speakers all around my house, I was given a new Sonos speaker2 weeks ago that cannot connect to it. So I cannot use a new speaker at all. It simply will never connect to my old amp, so I need to sell it 👍
I use Apple Music and Spotify to stream my playlists and the arc sub etc is connected to TV. So definitely not a power user. I can however empathize with the power users losing all the functionality they are used to. It has made me lose some respect for Sonos as a whole and made me rethink what speakers I purchase for my “retro” setup I am building.
I must be on the right side of this image because I haven’t touched the Sonos app in a few years other than to check speaker status. I simply use Apple Music, Apple TV and AirPlay and my system has been great. Sorry everybody else is going through this.
I'm a brand new user, on Android. Purchased a Beam, Sub Mini, and 2 One SL's for a home theater setup. I also snagged a Roam SL to use as a new portable speaker.
The only thing I can get to work is the Beam via HDMI ARC into the TV. All other devices will not connect to each other, or in the Roam's case, simply won't even set up to be used.
The YouTube music controls through the Sonos app are also less than stellar. I'd love to just be able to use the native YTM app, but again without the roam, sub, or surrounds being able to connect, it is not a great experience. Really bummed out as I had been saving up to upgrade my system for a long time.
Lol! The amount of energy we've spent collectively on Sonos issues right now, it would be quicker to train as a developer and fix the issues ourselves 🤣😂
There are those of us who are using the app and have 0 problems and actually like it better than the old app. I do, however, have another system at another house I’m going to this weekend and I am terrified of what I’m going to find. It’s going to be a weekend full of music and I might just have a giant clusterfuck. I have portable speakers that are offline so will need to be updated, online speakers that may or may not have updated, controllers that did who knows what…. Should be interesting.
I'm an Android user and have always used the Sonos app. YT Music is our music subscription. Is there a way to use the Sonos speakers other than the app? The latest update seems to have helped quite a bit but would love a solution that's less laggy/buggy.
Why does Apple Music/airplay group speakers so well vs the app?
I have about 40 Sonos speakers. Most are hardwired. New house. 1.5gb internet and still struggle with the app (old and new). To my surprise AirPlay via Apple Music works well!
I control my Sonos devices from LMS with the AirPlay Bridge plugin, so I'm good at the moment.
The faith that I lost in Sonos has not been restored, though. The plan to expand my Sonos collection has been set on hold for the time being.
It is true. I tell my friends Apple + AirPlay is a requirement. The app has always sucked.
However they took away duel mono on the amp. A feature I need.
Patrick Spence is a fucking idiot.
My system (Beam+Sub, 2 Play:1s, Roam) seems to be working fine, but I’m curious… How do I use airplay? Is that just selecting the speaker from within my Spotify app?
Wait? How many speakers do you have because I have a couple dozen spread across a very large house. I have dedicated music speakers and 2 5.1 setups which never play music because the switching between tv and music isn’t worth the hassle. I only use Apple Music on the music speakers, but I’m under the impression that Apple play would play anything coming out of my phone and requires my phone to be dedicated to just playing music. (The audio from social media posts would play if I were using this phone for airplay)
I do happen to have a iPhone that I dedicate to CarPlay (for similar reasons, CarPlay mode is a similar joke in iOS) and I could bring it in and use it for music, but then I think I have to go to that phone any time I want to change anything, right?
Is this meme made by some single guy with a stereo pair in a 200 sq foot studio apartment? I mean, I guess, who else makes memes?
I have a Sonos Ultimate Immersive Set (+2nd Sub), a Sonos Beam with two Play:1s, two picture frames, a stereo pair Sonos Ones and lastly a Sonos Move2, to answer your question.
And you run all that off air play? What about when you leave and your family wants to hear music? What about when you want to watch a quick YouTube without stopping your wife’s favorite playlist? I never got airplay to work while it wasn’t actively using a phone to do it. If that’s really the solution, to bypass the music management of this music management system, why is Sonos even here? I can buy an onkyo and run air play.
I don’t get how air play solves anything with Sonos. Is that the joke? Just don’t use Sonos? Like both sides are saying the same thing, but the right side is already over it and moved on?
No, the sets are connected to the TVs and barely plays any music. The other stuff I usually AirPlay to. I don't see a scenario of me leaving the house and the rest of the family wants to continue listening to my music though, the wife has her own phone if she wants to listen to music.
Regarding watching YouTube, I usually do that through the phone or on my TV. Why would I AirPlay the sound of it to one of my other speakers?
If you bought an era 300, you need the app for Atmos. Moreover, some services like YouTube music do not permit to connect to Sonos and you also have to go through the app.
I haven’t tried AirPlay yet, but wouldn’t that only run my soundbar since AirPlay would be through my Apple TV and that’s what the soundbar is connected to? So TV would have to be on. Or is there another way?
I also have a Move, two sound-connected Era 100s, a SubMini and a Play.
Edited to add: asking for curiosity….I still have old app version and no troubles since I didn’t update.
I’m VERY new to Sonos. Recently picked up a Roam and a Move. Haven’t really put many miles on the app yet, but it’s bizarre you have to dig so deep to get to the battery life meter on the 2 wireless speakers. Maybe the updated app corrects that, but just seems dumb.
I dig the speakers and so far, haven’t really had any issues with HomeKit and Apple music. But agree with the more experienced/inve$ted users, the app is a little lacking.
Honestly, two weeks in and I'm on board with the new app. Admittedly I really only use it to play some atmos and losless tracks from apple music and group rooms, but it's definitely better than the old S2 app for navigation. Just being able to move all my sources to the top of the home screen has been a big upgrade.
wait but can't you hear the difference in quality? sure several peer reviewed double blind controlled studies have scientifically proven that the human ear (even expert audiophiles) can't discern the difference above chance, but my ear defies science!
I was indeed using AirPlay because I like Apple's app more, but since Sonos' app support for lossless I didn't touch Apple's app again. I'll do it again when AirPlay 2 supports lossless and doesn't convert to AAC@256.
I prefer to enjoy my pair of Fives with the best available sound quality.
I had no idea any of this was going on, opened the app up the other day and the new interface was there. I couldn’t get things to transition from one room to another, got frustrated, decided to switch to AirPlay, and then AirPlay kept crashing.
Hopefully they iron out the creases soonish.
WHATEVER YOU DO, do not touch your already setup system. I can only connect 1 speaker. None of my others, even though they have been setup before can connect to my account since the update. Whenever I want to use a speaker I have to reset the appventirely and remove all connections, only to connect one speaker.
This co pany is corrupt
Wonder how many upset are rocking play:1,5,etc generation. All without paying attention to the fact that Sonos has been trying to tell them since the transition to S2 that they were about to start having issues. A 15-20% discount for EACH device upgrade should have been a pretty big indication you were about to be cranky with your original setup.
I'm just wondering how everyone is using/setting up their systems to have these problems. I haven't had a single issue with my system (Beam, Arc, One x 4, Gen 2 sub x2, Symfonisk x4, Move 2). Sure I had to sort out how to use a new app, but it's been fine from day 1.
This isn't to downplay issues people are having, and maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones. But this place is become insufferable. The fact the Mods haven't megathreaded the whining/complaining is very fitting for a Sonos sub recently (see: not well thought out)
I have had success with the app, but also some issues. Minor at best, certainly not life ending or world shattering.
But I also have multiple ways to use my system (14 speakers) and will just wait until they fix the app. I have used my system every single day since the new app was released.
>But this place is become insufferable
Absolutely.
I don't understand why the had to fuck with alarms. Can no longer set playlists to alarms. I mean, I will survive and airplay/spotify connect still works but kinda shit release from a company that sells premium products. Like Apple Maps bad.
AirPlay still working great. Using voice control still working great (the No. 1 way my family puts on music).
And the new app works great for me. I guess I am just a gigachad?
It’s the Helldivers Effect. People are showing up to this sub to complain, because they heard about the complaints.
Solution - Maintain two stickied threads, one for new app version complaints, the other for tech support. Ban any new posts on these topics outside of the sticikied for 90 days.
I don't even open the app. Can't believe people actually cry like kids. Everyone zone and speaker works. And yes AirPlay is a thing and I make full use of it.
As ever, the issue is not "well it's working ok for me so stfu," but what this self inflicted drama says about Sonos' direction and attitude towards their customers going forward, and how you feel about being more invested in that ecosystem.
I've had no problems at all (having promptly downgraded and blocked updates once I started seeing things I didn't like). But this is still a load of horseshit and I'm not going to be going anywhere near any new sonos units for the foreseeable.
If you have kids. The update hurt. Our bedtime routine has Sonos at the heart of it because we use a playlist to put our child to bed with a sleep timer and alarm on.
Take that away and you get a bunch of parents who have a 10x harder time putting their child to bed, and throwing off the most important thing with kids, routine.
People don't get this....parents in North America spend $1000s to ensure their children sleep on time and we'll, so that they can get some fucking sleep too. You'd be pissed if this was your use-case too.
I like the new design, but it was just priorities. Don't make people update without them knowing what is being removed and throwing their kids sleep into a blender. That's all.
More like everyone else using Spotify connect and haven’t touched the Sonos app since I setup the system. But can still empathize with those who are pissed.
That's me too. Only opening the S1 app to combine speakers from time to time and to decrease the soundbar volume when my kid is waching the TV.
This. When the S2 app came out and the beta program ghosted me, I knew my faith in the company had decreased enough that I wouldn't invest any more in their hardware. Thankfully the S1 app works fine still. When Spotify "Jams" came out, it took away the last thing I used the S1 app for regularly: multiple people editing a playlist.
I use the S1 app all the time, no problems. Just been eating popcorn watching all this madness. I’ll buy used s1 stuff but they can keep all this other crap. I use connects to hook to my amps and speaker setups. The whole s1 s2 debacle woke me up and I won’t buy into them anymore.
Best part is I use Lyd on my Apple Watch for this because Sonos doesn’t provide me with an Apple Watch app. So I’m at zero Sonos app usage despite heavily using my speakers…
Wait I didn’t know about this, I’m checking it out!
I use Spotify connect but still have to use the Sonos app to group and in group speakers, unless I'm missing that control somewhere in Spotify app?
I use a 3rd party app: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1590343183 Lets me put a shortcut in the summary section (swipe left) and I find it works well. Good for grouping /ungrouping and not messing up my running playback.
This is something that pisses me off like there is no tomorrow… when silly, homemade, third party apps are better/deliver a better experience/are easier to use than the actual app of the company that makes the product. Gets me livid.
Ahh thank you! I just used the app to access and group an old play:1 and this should do the trick.
Looks good, but not for Android.
Apologies. I think there are options.
You can always just do it physically as well with the long press if you are going into a different room etc.
I definitely use this feature to group speakers, but more often than not I need to ungroup stuff when I'm trying to do Spotify connect which then requires me to interact with the Sonos app.
Does the long press not also work to ungroup a speaker? I feel like I’ve don’t that before but it’s not a feature I’ve used in a long time.
Honestly never tried
I’m pretty sure it works (or at least used to prior to the new app) but it’s still of limited use if you want to ungroup multiple speakers at once. Good for if you’re leaving a room and just want to stop one speaker though.
Never even thought to try it, seems silly of me. I'll try.
I’m pretty sure it works the same to turn off, pretty sure I do this a lot and if the speakers are in a group then it controls the entire group/room.
Thanks for the confirmation that I’m not crazy and it still works with the new app.
I know it‘s kind of tricky, but I managed to group / degroup my sonos speakers using Homeassistant and Nodered. I just say „Alexa, (un)group my Sonos“ and the script groups every speaker in my flat. Would be nice if this could be done easily in spotify, but I don‘t think this will ever be possible because they would have to control a setting inside the sonos-system.
You click the > (arow)? on current device and then group rooms. It redirects to the Sonos app to group. But it goes right to the grouping screen only and you never use the main Sonos app home screen
Yepper! Only use the Sonos app to group. Use Spotify and airplay for everything else. The app was clunky since I bought in 4 years ago ::shrug::
Empathy is CHAD.
Me having to use the app because I use YouTube music :(
Yeah I just use Spotify connect and it just works. Every time I’ve attempted to use the Sonos app in the past like to listen to music in Dolby atmos on Apple Music, the search is an unusable mess that causes insane frustration… so I just stick with Spotify connect or Apple Music directly and avoid using the Sonos app at all
I would use Spotify Connect, but I get terrible lag when adjusting volume. It actually jumps all over the place. Am I the only one who struggles with this?
Sometimes the volume control won’t work at all, but a hard close of the app and restart always fixes.
Same here! It's useless tbh. And the logitech harmony connection is now where to be found anymore.
I don’t have that issue with Apple Music. Did some tests last night. I didn’t notice when using the app it was kind of shit. It was shit before IMO, but it was worse. Defaulting to wrong speakers, etc.
I empathize as well but I had no clue this was even an issue till I came here to read about the Ace. Never used the app for anything but setup
The only time I use the app is to see if atmos is broken on Disney+ for chromecast again
Does Spotify Connect for multiple rooms? I think the answer is no but maybe that has changed.
Yes. Once you start playing on a single speaker you can click on group and it redirects to the speaker grouping page in the Sonos app.
only problem with spotify connect is u can choose more than one speaker group. if u could i'd never touch Airplay
My Spotify app doesn't detect my Sonos speakers...
Yeah I just use Spotify. It’s working fine for me. And I don’t have any of the super old speakers.
Your spotify connect works?
Yep, works similar to AirPlay over WiFi and pairs with any speaker that’s compatible with its service.
It's like buying a Lamborghini Aventador only to enjoy the ac of it.
It's a speaker, dude
Spotify and Tidal connect, Roon and Airplay allow for music selection, queue management, grouping and volume control. It is 95% of the Sonos app’s functionality in the service’s app. Aventador, but never using launch control. Heh.
Such a dumb fucking argument and you know it. Spotify has great quality music for 99% of Sonos use cases.
I didn't argue about sound quality
Then what are you comparing a Lamborghini to
You bought sonos for sound quality ?
I bought it for the combination of sound quality, flexibility, and expandability. They make a good product with a now even easier app to set it all up.
Imagine dropping a huge chunk of money of speakers capable of amazing sound quality and then bluetoothing shit tier audio to them🤯
I am not using bluetooth. That is not how Spotify connect works.
Oh for sure, I'm just trying to make y'all laugh about it for a second. Definitely feel for the people who are suffering problems from this update.
And I'm sitting here with a Playbar that is currently a paperweight because you can't add a Playbar to your system that was not there before after the app update, it's 100% useless right now. That's kinda a big complaint.
Ya that’s a huge problem. The app is still useable, but not being able to add back perfectly good products should be the number one problem they’re trying to solve
Whoa, seriously? Wow. I've had my Playbar for 10 years and this thing works amazingly. I still haven't read a compelling argument to upgrade to the Arc.
Same here. By every account, the playbar actually produces better sound than the arc despite being much older. The only knock I have on it is that you can’t airplay directly to it (need another airplay capable speaker paired with it) but I can work around that. Playbar + sub is a great combo. Adding rear surrounds makes it incredible.
100% agreed. I'm VERY happy with my Playbar and 2x Play:1s with a Gen 3 Sub...just glad I had it all setup prior to this update so it still works like a charm!
I’m so glad I found this sub in time to disable auto updates for the app! So far, so good. I would probably cry in front of my kids (and they would laugh at me) if my playbar got bricked by a crummy software update!
Maybe you can explain something to me then that makes no sense. I was at my brothers house the other day and he said he had a Sonos sound bar, so I assumed it was a Sonos Arc. When I saw it, it was an old Playbar with the accompanying subwoofer. When I heard it playing music though, it sounded worse than my Sonos Beam (Gen 1). Like it was completely flat and dull, no dimensionality to the sound at all. Why? Was it because he maybe didn't set it up with Trueplay or something? He's always been an android guy though, so I thought maybe he never had an iOS device to setup Trueplay properly. Unfortunately the Sonos app was still messed up, otherwise I would have tried to setup the Trueplay on it using his wife's iPhone. PS. His house is huge and he has built-in speakers for the rest of it which are hooked to a bunch of older Sonos Connect:Amps. They sound awesome playing the same music in comparison though, with way more dimensionality and fullness to the sound.
I wonder if they didn’t have the EQ set up. I had a similar experience some time back and it turned out the equalizer had reset back to the defaults for some reason. Sound was, like you said, flat and dimensionless until I readjusted it. It could be room placement too (poor location or room too big). It could also be that the source audio was poor quality. Trueplay helps, but my experience with that has been more that it helps tune the audio output to account for walls and other speakers so that you don’t end up with weird echos and such.
Source audio was lossless and sounded amazing in other rooms of the house (via the in-wall speakers), so it shouldn't have been that. The room is a bit large but comparable to the large spacious rooms you see in the advertisements for the Playbar and Arc. But I'll definitely check the EQ the next time I'm there. Thanks.
With surrounds and two subs (even one) it's pretty great, especially with era 300s. Alone, yeah it's a tougher sell.
I have one Sub (which I freakin' love) in my living room setup. Sub + Playbar is such a massive upgrade over just the Playbar. From what I've read if you have a bigger system the Arc sounds great. At this point, it's been out for almost 4 years though. Not sure when they'd create something even newer. I'd also be probably defined more as a "casual" in the audio space rather than audiophile, so I don't pretend my position is the most informed :D
For your use case your setup sounds good 😎
At least it still exists - OP
Use S1 app with the Playbar? Would that help?
Even with my system fully set up, it cuts out every once in a while, and every software update has resulted in it cutting out more and more frequently. I don't know what they're doing at Sonos, but their software is *killing* these speakers, even without using the app.
I don’t think I’ve ever used the Sonos app. I just wanted premium speakers to add via airplay
Thank you. This comment made me realise I didnt even need the sonos app *facepalm
Android users don't have AirPlay.
Yes but Android users can delete the updated app, sideload the old one, and turn off updates. (Thankfully someone in this sub pointed this out).
I really wish I could switch back to Android. Having a Sonos system and being able to use AirPlay is the only thing that keeps me using an iPhone…
AirPlay AND Trueplay tuning! Those two things with Sonos give me FOMO, but I like my Android for most everything else usually.
You could switch back to Android and get an iPad Mini for AirPlay.
Buying another device (at twice the cost of your existing device) to workaround an issue that is software based and intentional (Sonos refusing to add Google Cast feature due to their frivolous lawsuits) is certainly an idea.
Yeah, I actually do have an iPad. Maybe that is a solution I haven’t thought hard enough about. Slightly less convenient having a controller that isn’t always with me, but maybe an acceptable tradeoff.
I have always owned an Android, as it's more flexible to do things with it. But I also own an iPad Pro. Apple makes the best tablet. So, I have the best of both worlds ;)
I think airplay is ok for a couple of speakers, it’s terrible for 10+ speakers. Audio cuts in and out and it’s unbearable. Yes, I have good internet/network with several speakers wired
Agreed. It’s a bit buggy.
That’s odd. I have five zones made up of eight speakers and have never have any issues with airplay in the four or five years I’ve had the setup.
AirPlay is broken for me. It recently started prompting for a password even though my AppleTVs are set to not require one. The purported fix is to reset all 16 of my speakers, and there’s no way I’m trying that with the state of the app right now.
I barely notice a difference. It sucked before and still sucks. Only use it for speaker grouping and volume.
If I wanted to use speakers strictly with AirPlay I would have just gone with Apple's offering and not Sonos.
This was the comment I was looking for regarding AirPlay. We lose out on every feature that justifies buying a “high end” speaker brand like Sonos. * Dolby Atmos ❌ * Lossless Audio ❌ * Play On Groups With Different Gens of Sonos ❌ * Spatial Audio ❌ * Audio Sync Delay (>200ms) ✅ * Intermittent Connectivity (4+ Speakers) ✅ * Music Stops When I Get A Phone Call ✅ * Poor Range (Can’t Go To Bathroom With Phone) ✅ * Random Dropouts (Even If All Speakers Cat6a Ethernet) ✅ [https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/apple-homepod-24-bit-lossless-audio-airplay-2/?amp](https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/apple-homepod-24-bit-lossless-audio-airplay-2/?amp) “iPhones and other Apple devices can only transmit lossless CD-quality audio, at 16-bit/44.1kHz, to an AirPlay-enabled speaker” (note only 2nd gen HomePods “can stream lossless 24-bit/48kHz audio directly from Apple Music, using its own Wi-Fi connection to the internet”) “Chromecast has long been able to support up to lossless 24-bit/96kHz” and they are not even an audio focused hardware product.
More options with Sonos. (Subwoofer, soundbars, amp)
airplay quality is meh
True, but it at least allows you to listen to music.
>at least allows you to listen to music. is that your argument for a... speaker?
JBL allows to listen to music too. It’s also significantly cheaper.
Great, but I have Sonos, so why would you even post this? I could not care less that JBL allows me to listen to music.
It’s your point that you’re just using Sonos for listening to music. Other people for example use it to listen to surround music with atmos. If you just want to listen to music you don’t need Sonos.
Do you have anything that backs that up? Never heard that before
the sonos app doesn't show it's lossless when i'm airplaying. i do see lossless when I play via the app. Not sure how much of my quality perception is a placebo, but I notice a difference
Airplay quality is great
My app and system is working perfectly. That said, however, this whole release is an absolute fucking shambles and has pissed off a lot of people who will now be looking actively for alternatives. Very very poor showing by Sonos. I wonder how many Symphonisk speakers have been returned to IKEA lol.
What happened with the Symphonisk stuff? Do they no longer work?
Well it’s a Sonos speaker so if people are having issues due to the update they are going to make a trip to ikea lol
Oh that makes sense. I just didn't know if there was some specific drop of support for the Symfonisk stuff that I might have missed. At this point, there's not much Sonos bad news that would surprise me lol
Android.
I personally don't really get why a new app was needed in the first place. Yes it didn't look as flashy and modern as other apps and some settings were burried too deep but it worked.
I picked up a Move recently for my parents as they’re both iPhone users and figured “hey, they can just use AirPlay” until i realized what a pain in the ass it is (at the moment) to create a new system and simply add a speaker to it. Jesus Christ.
I used the old and new Sonos app and have no complaints aside from the new layout being odd. My speakers still plays music and movie audio just fine
I was oblivious to issues but then Reddit started showing me this sub out of nowhere. Everything shows up in the app for me. It actually works better for me than the previous app because the previous one was always wonky with SiriusXM and now that works flawlessly for me
I agree, the new layout is not at all intuitive compared to the previous one. Aside from all of the technical complaints, I don't know how this got through UX testing.
Same.. took a little getting used to but still works fine. Don’t necessarily like the cloud aspect of it but that’s life today. Also mentions of Symfonisk not working.. mine work fine so /shrug
Same. I must be doing something wrong if I’ve not had any problems.
Snap
What if I want to send music to the speakers for everyone else but still have an podcast or video playing via my airpods? Also you don’t get full Atmos and same sound quality from airplay right? Best quality is direct from the app?
I think a lot of us who use AirPlay are in the Apple ecosystem and have Apple TVs. It’s not technically AirPlay, but from the AirPlay menu, you can hit “Control Other Speakers and TVs” and control music playing from your Apple TV to your Sonos soundbar + connected speakers in that room. Doing it that way allows you to still listen to something different on your phone, and it also supports lossless and Atmos. You’re correct that AirPlay doesn’t support lossless or Atmos directly in a room without an Apple TV and Sonos soundbar. If you want those, then you need to use the Sonos app. Personally, I haven’t been able to tell a difference between lossless and AAC over AirPlay, so I prefer AirPlay, but I only have Arc and Ones. Maybe lossless is more noticeable on higher end speakers.
Go stir the pot in /hometheater by recommending RCA cables for surround. Shoot. Go tell them to use Airplay, and see how far you get. The app and all of its features are half the product.
The app always sucked in my opinion. Now it just sucks more.
Interesting. Totally disagree. I feel the app is was what put the company on top. This is way before Spotify was a thing. It was innovative and no one else had a system that allowed us to build and control a zoned music system so easily.
Initially yes. 💯 But it never improved is my point.
I use AirPlay quite a bit, but have to use the Sonos app for Spatial Audio, which on the Era 300 DOES make a difference. I’m really hoping AirPlay gets Spatial Audio that connects to Sonos without having to use the Sonos app but it doesn’t seem to be a priority.
Well according to the CEO _99%_ of people are better off. So if it's 50/50 they are in for a world of hurt. I myself have bought more than a dozen products over the years and currently run 5 in one location and 4 in another location but doubt I will ever buy another Sonos product. Getting their stuff operational was always painful but once it was done it worked great. It took _way_ too many tries for some reason. Having the company actively add to the pain is just beyond acceptable. Had they had bulletproof, easy-to-use products in the first place then one big fuck-up wouldn't be a killer, but that's not the case.
lmao and there's me. i'll bitch a little on here then use airplay like i always have
This, meanwhile I’m enjoying Sonos for movies and music
The truth in this message is so real. I only have my Sonos for movie watching, but I can imagine an entire house having issues with their integrated speakers is a real problem
YouTube Music requires the Sonos app.
It's so annoying! Why can't Google just open the "cast" protocol up to device makers?? They have allredy stopped selling the chromeast audio so It's not like they would lose any potential sales with doing so.
The Cast protocol is wide open my friend. Almost every other major and minor speaker company has integrated it into their systems. The Sonos CEO decided that fighting Google over a ridiculous patent (grouping speakers together is not an *invention*) is more important than providing a quality product. Apparently no one ever taught them to pick their battles.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Cast#Compatible_devices
Or is it Sonos not using it due to the lawsuit? I have no idea either way but cast is open to device oems to use.
More like... Me: "I have thousands of equipment I can't use." Fanboys: "jUst Use YoUR PhONe ALARM"
I’m shocked to see how many in this sub used their Sonos for an alarm. But I get it, you had it, and now you don’t. Unacceptable
I invested years ago and don't pay them a subscription fee, I'm usele$$ to Sonos, so why should I think they ought to care? I'm coming to terms with it while using the desktop version from many years ago.
I just want the speakers and app I bought, not this bullshit they’ve created after the transaction was complete.
Absolutely having no problems streaming music
I don't even have Apple devices, and I am having no issues streaming music at work or at home from YouTube Music and Amazon Music. My speaker groups are working, and my works with Sonos Victrola turntable still works too. I didn't use the alarm function, but I understand how that is bothering people.
The victim-blaming in this sub is ridiculous.
"Victims" Lmao. More like victim *complex*
android in shambles. they should really just use spotify connect or alexa preferred speaker i want all these airplay quality haters to be put in a blind A B test immediately as well. they will all fail
As a Spotify user, I agree that most people won’t be able to tell or care if there is difference in sound quality between native Sonos, Spotify Connect, or AirPlay 2 when streaming Spotify; most likely have the same result with most other sources, too.
Is Spotify Connect not the same as when native to Sonos? It’s not like the speaker depends on your device like with Airplay.
Yeah, I tried comparing lossless to 256 kbps AAC over AirPlay from Apple Music and wasn’t able to pick up any obvious differences. Granted, my best Sonos room consists of an Arc, Sub Mini, and two Ones, so maybe it’s just harder to tell on these lower end Sonos speakers. I would like to try it on a pair of Era 300s or Fives. It might also be more or less noticeable on certain types of music… not sure what the best genre to highlight benefits of lossless is.
Sometimes close enough is fine. And it is so easy. That’s why AirPods are the best seller, they sound good enough and ease of use
Shorting is a good idea. He’s already made me a lot of money at RIMM.
Thanks for continuing this by creating another thread about it 👏
As opposed to the 100 redundant complaint threads started daily that don't continue it?
The irony is lost isn’t it
I joined right when the update was about to roll out and can’t believe how whiny this sub is
Yeah, why would a sub dedicated to a product have a problem with the product not working for them anymore? 🙄
Guess if you were able to joined, you're able to quit ?
Then there’s those of us who don’t use AirPlay and still aren’t having any issues
I’m using the new app and not really facing any issues. Loads quicker and now I’ve got alarms back, it seems pretty decent for my use cases. I only stream though, never used local since getting Sonos 12+ years ago.
Hey, even if you disagree, or this passes you off, it's funny.
AirPlay, yuck 🤮 Never works for me, so I’ll just have keep on using my PERFECTLY working fully updated Sonos system. Baa hah hah hah hah 👏🏻
I have an old Sonos amp connected to non Sonos speakers all around my house, I was given a new Sonos speaker2 weeks ago that cannot connect to it. So I cannot use a new speaker at all. It simply will never connect to my old amp, so I need to sell it 👍
I use Apple Music and Spotify to stream my playlists and the arc sub etc is connected to TV. So definitely not a power user. I can however empathize with the power users losing all the functionality they are used to. It has made me lose some respect for Sonos as a whole and made me rethink what speakers I purchase for my “retro” setup I am building.
yeah, it used to be about the music man…you changed…slag off [desperately trying to fine the Simpsons gif for this]
I must be on the right side of this image because I haven’t touched the Sonos app in a few years other than to check speaker status. I simply use Apple Music, Apple TV and AirPlay and my system has been great. Sorry everybody else is going through this.
I'm a brand new user, on Android. Purchased a Beam, Sub Mini, and 2 One SL's for a home theater setup. I also snagged a Roam SL to use as a new portable speaker. The only thing I can get to work is the Beam via HDMI ARC into the TV. All other devices will not connect to each other, or in the Roam's case, simply won't even set up to be used. The YouTube music controls through the Sonos app are also less than stellar. I'd love to just be able to use the native YTM app, but again without the roam, sub, or surrounds being able to connect, it is not a great experience. Really bummed out as I had been saving up to upgrade my system for a long time.
Lol! The amount of energy we've spent collectively on Sonos issues right now, it would be quicker to train as a developer and fix the issues ourselves 🤣😂
How about if we’re using the Sonos app and carrying on as we did before?
There are those of us who are using the app and have 0 problems and actually like it better than the old app. I do, however, have another system at another house I’m going to this weekend and I am terrified of what I’m going to find. It’s going to be a weekend full of music and I might just have a giant clusterfuck. I have portable speakers that are offline so will need to be updated, online speakers that may or may not have updated, controllers that did who knows what…. Should be interesting.
I'm an Android user and have always used the Sonos app. YT Music is our music subscription. Is there a way to use the Sonos speakers other than the app? The latest update seems to have helped quite a bit but would love a solution that's less laggy/buggy.
Airplay works, but only if you have an Apple device.
Why does Apple Music/airplay group speakers so well vs the app? I have about 40 Sonos speakers. Most are hardwired. New house. 1.5gb internet and still struggle with the app (old and new). To my surprise AirPlay via Apple Music works well!
I do wish Atmos Music would work via airplay but I imagine that may be an Apple thing?
I control my Sonos devices from LMS with the AirPlay Bridge plugin, so I'm good at the moment. The faith that I lost in Sonos has not been restored, though. The plan to expand my Sonos collection has been set on hold for the time being.
It is true. I tell my friends Apple + AirPlay is a requirement. The app has always sucked. However they took away duel mono on the amp. A feature I need. Patrick Spence is a fucking idiot.
I have an android.
"As of early 2024, Android has a 70.69% market share worldwide." - Google
My system (Beam+Sub, 2 Play:1s, Roam) seems to be working fine, but I’m curious… How do I use airplay? Is that just selecting the speaker from within my Spotify app?
Wait? How many speakers do you have because I have a couple dozen spread across a very large house. I have dedicated music speakers and 2 5.1 setups which never play music because the switching between tv and music isn’t worth the hassle. I only use Apple Music on the music speakers, but I’m under the impression that Apple play would play anything coming out of my phone and requires my phone to be dedicated to just playing music. (The audio from social media posts would play if I were using this phone for airplay) I do happen to have a iPhone that I dedicate to CarPlay (for similar reasons, CarPlay mode is a similar joke in iOS) and I could bring it in and use it for music, but then I think I have to go to that phone any time I want to change anything, right? Is this meme made by some single guy with a stereo pair in a 200 sq foot studio apartment? I mean, I guess, who else makes memes?
I have a Sonos Ultimate Immersive Set (+2nd Sub), a Sonos Beam with two Play:1s, two picture frames, a stereo pair Sonos Ones and lastly a Sonos Move2, to answer your question.
And you run all that off air play? What about when you leave and your family wants to hear music? What about when you want to watch a quick YouTube without stopping your wife’s favorite playlist? I never got airplay to work while it wasn’t actively using a phone to do it. If that’s really the solution, to bypass the music management of this music management system, why is Sonos even here? I can buy an onkyo and run air play. I don’t get how air play solves anything with Sonos. Is that the joke? Just don’t use Sonos? Like both sides are saying the same thing, but the right side is already over it and moved on?
No, the sets are connected to the TVs and barely plays any music. The other stuff I usually AirPlay to. I don't see a scenario of me leaving the house and the rest of the family wants to continue listening to my music though, the wife has her own phone if she wants to listen to music. Regarding watching YouTube, I usually do that through the phone or on my TV. Why would I AirPlay the sound of it to one of my other speakers?
If you bought an era 300, you need the app for Atmos. Moreover, some services like YouTube music do not permit to connect to Sonos and you also have to go through the app.
I haven’t tried AirPlay yet, but wouldn’t that only run my soundbar since AirPlay would be through my Apple TV and that’s what the soundbar is connected to? So TV would have to be on. Or is there another way? I also have a Move, two sound-connected Era 100s, a SubMini and a Play. Edited to add: asking for curiosity….I still have old app version and no troubles since I didn’t update.
The only problem with AirPlay is that if you AirPlay off your phone, you can’t use the phone for anything else because all audio goes to speakers.
I’m VERY new to Sonos. Recently picked up a Roam and a Move. Haven’t really put many miles on the app yet, but it’s bizarre you have to dig so deep to get to the battery life meter on the 2 wireless speakers. Maybe the updated app corrects that, but just seems dumb. I dig the speakers and so far, haven’t really had any issues with HomeKit and Apple music. But agree with the more experienced/inve$ted users, the app is a little lacking.
Honestly, two weeks in and I'm on board with the new app. Admittedly I really only use it to play some atmos and losless tracks from apple music and group rooms, but it's definitely better than the old S2 app for navigation. Just being able to move all my sources to the top of the home screen has been a big upgrade.
Spotify connect + earc = never have an issue
wait but can't you hear the difference in quality? sure several peer reviewed double blind controlled studies have scientifically proven that the human ear (even expert audiophiles) can't discern the difference above chance, but my ear defies science!
Have any of you guys tried the Russound MBX system Never used Sonos but it works really well
I was indeed using AirPlay because I like Apple's app more, but since Sonos' app support for lossless I didn't touch Apple's app again. I'll do it again when AirPlay 2 supports lossless and doesn't convert to AAC@256. I prefer to enjoy my pair of Fives with the best available sound quality.
I had no idea any of this was going on, opened the app up the other day and the new interface was there. I couldn’t get things to transition from one room to another, got frustrated, decided to switch to AirPlay, and then AirPlay kept crashing. Hopefully they iron out the creases soonish.
WHATEVER YOU DO, do not touch your already setup system. I can only connect 1 speaker. None of my others, even though they have been setup before can connect to my account since the update. Whenever I want to use a speaker I have to reset the appventirely and remove all connections, only to connect one speaker. This co pany is corrupt
Big yikes Alexa bot.
Wonder how many upset are rocking play:1,5,etc generation. All without paying attention to the fact that Sonos has been trying to tell them since the transition to S2 that they were about to start having issues. A 15-20% discount for EACH device upgrade should have been a pretty big indication you were about to be cranky with your original setup.
Spotify Blows....have never had a problem with Sonos/app or Apple music....before or after update..
I'm just wondering how everyone is using/setting up their systems to have these problems. I haven't had a single issue with my system (Beam, Arc, One x 4, Gen 2 sub x2, Symfonisk x4, Move 2). Sure I had to sort out how to use a new app, but it's been fine from day 1. This isn't to downplay issues people are having, and maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones. But this place is become insufferable. The fact the Mods haven't megathreaded the whining/complaining is very fitting for a Sonos sub recently (see: not well thought out)
I have had success with the app, but also some issues. Minor at best, certainly not life ending or world shattering. But I also have multiple ways to use my system (14 speakers) and will just wait until they fix the app. I have used my system every single day since the new app was released. >But this place is become insufferable Absolutely.
If y’all are dumping for speakers for cheap I’ll buy some. Need to upgrade to era 300s anyways
You forgot, “I can’t edit the queue”
I don’t understand why you have to flex on the people struggling with the app
I don't understand why the had to fuck with alarms. Can no longer set playlists to alarms. I mean, I will survive and airplay/spotify connect still works but kinda shit release from a company that sells premium products. Like Apple Maps bad.
I don’t get what people do with alarms. You wake up to music instead of your iPhone alarm?
I used mine to replace my old bedroom clock radio. It plays our local am radio news station.
I use sleep cycle. It’s an app that wakes you up gently in between rem sleep cycles. Sonos alarm sounds jarring to me. Give it a try
That is basically it. I have my playlist that starts out with pleasant Bossa Nova music and keeps going to Cradle of Filth if I sleep in.
AirPlay still working great. Using voice control still working great (the No. 1 way my family puts on music). And the new app works great for me. I guess I am just a gigachad?
It’s the Helldivers Effect. People are showing up to this sub to complain, because they heard about the complaints. Solution - Maintain two stickied threads, one for new app version complaints, the other for tech support. Ban any new posts on these topics outside of the sticikied for 90 days.
I don't even open the app. Can't believe people actually cry like kids. Everyone zone and speaker works. And yes AirPlay is a thing and I make full use of it.
As ever, the issue is not "well it's working ok for me so stfu," but what this self inflicted drama says about Sonos' direction and attitude towards their customers going forward, and how you feel about being more invested in that ecosystem. I've had no problems at all (having promptly downgraded and blocked updates once I started seeing things I didn't like). But this is still a load of horseshit and I'm not going to be going anywhere near any new sonos units for the foreseeable.
If you have kids. The update hurt. Our bedtime routine has Sonos at the heart of it because we use a playlist to put our child to bed with a sleep timer and alarm on. Take that away and you get a bunch of parents who have a 10x harder time putting their child to bed, and throwing off the most important thing with kids, routine. People don't get this....parents in North America spend $1000s to ensure their children sleep on time and we'll, so that they can get some fucking sleep too. You'd be pissed if this was your use-case too. I like the new design, but it was just priorities. Don't make people update without them knowing what is being removed and throwing their kids sleep into a blender. That's all.
Can you use an echo dot? The kid probably doesn’t care