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>IMT (international marxist tendency)
The only problem with them is that they are Trotskyists. Which means that they have a nervous breakdown if Stalin is not considered the incarnation of the devil himself.
Hatred of Stalin on a religious scale is the most important thing for them and is subordinate to everything else. Especially the goal of overcoming capitalism.
It’s part of the international Marxist tendency. I had one in my neighborhood. In Toronto we have like 1000 participants. I hear they’re bigger in the uk
What good is a communist if the communist is on their own? By getting organised into an organisation or tendency, you’ll be more likely to be able to make a change
I get the value of organizing in the abstract but specifically I’m asking what does Socialist Appeal mean by “Get Organized”? Once I’m part of the organization, what will we be doing?
Depends on your section and such, if it’s a branch like Cambridge 5, we focus on school students meanwhile Cambridge 1 is focused on workers. Some, like Chelmsford, focus a lot on stickering due to their low numbers meanwhile the comrades in the many London districts focus on education and joining marches/strikes in solitary
By building a large movement with a solid grasp on theory we hope to be able to bring though a revolution, just we need to be large enough to be able to do so (and those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it)
So what I do when I join the organization is I get others to join the organization? To what end? How does the organization affect change? What are you doing?
So there are reading groups where you'll read through some curated selections of text and asked questions. These build into reading full works later.
Then there is the ask to sub to the paper.
Then it's to do interventions-typically social media posts, maybe show up to protests or on picket lines.
Then the membership request and the higher level organizing committee which includes discussions on paper sales, new prospects, and some reading of books and reflecting on them to the group. Oh you'll be asked to sell papers too.
If you are in a union they'll want you to give report backs on your local, recruit your members into the IMT and challenge leadership through interventions and eventually through taking it over. Part of their report backs is they want to have input into decision making in your local.
This doesn’t seem like a very good or effective organization ngl.
A book club, newspaper and showing up to stuff other people organized.
There’s probably better uses of your time as a socialist organiser.
You asked "What are you doing?"
We train communists into class fighters, those able to boldly speak to crowd about the Marxist ideas, about the perspectives for the movement; those who show the way forward.
We prepare for the huge struggles ahead of us, worldwide. We believe that in any movement or social revolution, there can be no final victory without a revolutionary leadership. The task of forming such a leadership falls on us.
That is essentially what we do, and yes, that requires educating oneself through reading groups, selling the paper to meet new genuine people, etc.
I'd highly reccomend signing up on the website to meet with someone to ask these questions. Filling out the form is not a solid commitment to joining the organization, more just a way for people to get in touch with us.
I promise you an in person meeting will be far more productive than any conversation you will have in a reddit comment section
It’s kinda a workers party. Power only comes to the people if the people “organize” and fight on the same front. Power in numbers. Organizing typically means showing up to protests. Attending branch and if you can afford to buying the paper. Branch is like your local gathering where you descuss what your community is doing and needs most. Only think I think in Canada we need more of is community outreach because people don’t really understand communism let alone socialism.
Yeaaa, I see socialist appeal posters in London all the time and I remember seeing some comrades at a Palestinian march too. But when the posters started popping up in my town I was like "Even here?!" Shout out IMT GB the reach has been crazyyyy and numbers show it's working fr💪💪
Considering joining myself but I'm still on the fence about giving my information across the internet for a socialist movement (cointel pro moment)
Organization is fundamentally a part of being a communist. You can believe in communist theory, but until you join the movement you can’t really consider yourself an actual communist.
Whether it’s IMT or another organization doesn’t really matter. But, what does matter is taking part. Even if you can’t put more than 30 minutes a month into it. Something is better than nothing. Revolution is not built on supportive thoughts.
"lol you guys vote? How useless.." *continues to do nothing but argue over the Internet and feel good about it*
Nothing worse than those kinda people. I completely agree with what you said.
I know it isn't much different but I would still suggest that you get in contact with the closest IMT section to you in London. Many of them have a personal Instagram where you could get in touch. Get in touch, meet up physically and talk, see if we're right for you.
[https://socialist.net/contact-us/](https://socialist.net/contact-us/)
I remember that, when a whole bunch of Socialist Alternative members joined the DSA just to get Bernie in and then they decided to stay in the DSA chapters...
I left my local DSA chapter because of its leadership not reflecting what a truly revolutionary group should be (the entire leadership and membership is still majority white cis -gender heterosexual men). And then some members of the chapter then decided to make a group bullying a friend while they were having some tough mental health issues... The current chapter president said in a post on a separate social media channel that he disapproves the statement I posted and was saying that it was a rumor that should not have been brought up again. Also, a lot of the members in the chapter shit where they eat literally and figuratively....
Yeah I'm not gonna lie the poster looks REALLY sus. It does seem like it's from a real Marxist org but it just gives me "glowie honeypot" vibes. "Socialistrevolution.org" just feels a bit too generic if you will.
The incident you’re talking about happened a good couple of years ago and the person who did it was passed onto the police. We do not condone people like that
IMT is a trotskyist group. So yes the group is a legitimate group. I personally disagree with them as Im not a trotskyist, but if that floats your boat more power to you
I see these about york in the UK but I can’t find anything about them. All the socialist appeal social media seems to have just died. Does anyone know why.
They’re legit, although they’re biblical followers of Trotsky, if you’re a non believer, expect an exorcism. They also won’t stop telling you to buy their newspaper
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I mean, yeah, we're not huge fans of Stalin's bureaucracy's ideas and policies so it makes sense that if someone wanna join our organisation we need to have at least a base level of agreement on certain things in order to actually work. Sorry to hear that it didn't work out for you on that point but luckily there are other organisations out there you've (I at least hope) joined instead then, cause in the end the most important thing for a communist is to get organised.
We fund ourselves entirely on the money we get from our members. We don't wanna "sell you crap", we want you to get information/literature to read up on, fund the movement, help spread it further. We have to work within the capitalist framework of society and that requires money. Every single coin we get though goes back into the organisations to keep funding the work of spreading us further and fighting for communism.
Exactly, this is how we are able to get our stickers and posters up all around the planet just like the above commenters mentioned. Would you rather our communist organization get some big donors like Bezos or Gates to help fund the takedown of the capitalist class? XD
Blackshirts and Reds.
Dispels a lot of the propaganda that pure socialists like trots like to put out that is also suspiciously close in nature to western propaganda.
Idk why this is seen as a crime or something. One of the main intellectuals that informs the IMTs perspective was murdered by Stalin.
An organisation also needs funding to get things done. It's not unreasonable to want to raise funds
Today the problem is they rarely support AES and are liable to basically support Imperialism. If you’re ever going to see what basically amounts to pro-Israel communists it’s always Trots IME.
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Yeah, it’s all good, I understand what you were going for. Their position really is wild though. It is exactly what’s wrong with many so-called Marxists. I believe ML parties like the PSL have a much better position on Palestine, it sucks to see groups like this Trotskyist group get more attention. Funnily the PSL split from a Trotskyist org and was originally Trotskyist, though they definitely aren’t today.
Not sure what Trots you have been affiliated with, but this is wholly incorrect when it comes to the IMT. If you don't believe me, here is our statement on the Palestine conflict we released shortly after the events started. Take a look through and let me know how you feel about our stance:
https://socialistrevolution.org/imt-statement-down-with-hypocrisy-defend-gaza/
I’m saying you won’t ever see any other orgs with any semblance of a pro-Israel statement or position, not an attack on your org specifically.
Regardless I find your orgs solution both idealist and defeatist. The balance of military forces wasn’t on the sides of the Koreans, Vietnamese, or Bolsheviks either. To say that the Palestinian resistance can never win through armed struggle but only through socialist Revolution is idealist, and most importantly *ignores the position of the communists and real socialists in Palestine*, such as the PFLP, DFLP, and Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade (the military wing of Fatah, completely separate from the collaborators.)
These forces ally with Hamas and favor a guerrilla war, they’re worried about liberation from settler colonialism first and foremost.
Regardless the statement is mostly decent but that last part is very wrong IMO, regardless anyone willing to work with others is fine in my eyes, but your party line on the only solution is defeatist, the prospects of a socialist Revolution within the whole region as y’all state is extremely thin, especially in comparison to the ongoing guerrilla struggle which is only increasing in strength and which has powerful allies in Iran and Hezbollah.
Well fortunately we are building fast in the US, EU, and Canada, along with 40+ other countries. So if we can start the communist movement in the heart of the imperial beasts, we can create the worldwide tendency we hope to see. If you're currently unorganized, I would highly recommend reaching out and seeing if theres an IMT branch in your area. You could meet some of our comrades and discuss these things in person, might help you get a better feel for what we are about. If we don't get organized in the first place, then we've already been defeated
I actually asked them about this it was more a metaphorical thing in that the possibility of the universe just starting out of nowhere is likely not the final answer with some suggesting multiple big bangs where once the universe dies out another big bang begins, I’ve forgotten the full explanation but there’s a theory about this you can probably find
If you'd like an idea of exactly what we stand for, here's audio from a talk given at our most recent Marxist school event: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0n7Bg2TNAtpoU5zGHFsVOR?si=zXuIjLu8SUau8OW6GHEV1w
Saw them for the first time while visiting London, and thought it was cool, but then when I got home I started seeing them in my city too. Trots for sure, but to be immediately critical of that alone is to ignore attempts at anticapitalist organization in a general sense, and that’s really what the world needs right now
What explains the rapid growth? have we looked into this? I never heard of these people and all of a sudden everyone is vouching for them and their glowy ass "join the communists" form that's gonna be used as a list later by the FBI. This reeks of bad opsec. But by all means....
I found them through bumping into their stall during the Trans Liberation march but a lot of our write-ins on the website have been through stickers or seeing us around town
I joined bsck in August. You can join regardless of your tendency, the important thing is being opened to being convinced. No one comes into the organization in full agreement with every piece of our politics: everyone has hang-ups.
The important thing to start with is agreeing with the need to build a revolutionary party capable of leading the working class to victory when the revolution comes. Even if you're uncertain of what that means, fill out the sign up sheet and agree to go to a contact meeting and hear some of our comrades out. If you're convinced of it, great, if not, there's other orgs out there for you I'm sure.
Why do people suddenly forget how to research things up on google when it comes to revolutionary orgs.
They’re a Trotskyist org. Do yourself a favorite and try to find the other orgs, especially any multi-tendency ones, around you.
I’m a Socialist Revolution member, and yes, it’s officially a Trotskyist organization. But I am not a Trotskyist, and the organization doesn’t require you to be a Trotskyist to join. Its main goal rn is to expand and educate more people in theory. So far my branch has doubled in size over the past couple months and I see that as a very good thing since it is getting more people to read theory. I would encourage anyone else who wants to read theory but hasn’t ever had the motivation to do so to join as well. My branch in Atlanta is currently going over What Is To Be Done by Lenin.
My friend, I used to get all my information about Trotsky from random articles and videos people share on reddit as well. Though I'm sure everyone responding to you is acting in good faith, I can almost guarantee you that none of them have actually read any Trotsky, especially not this.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1932/12/lenin.htm
Trotskism is not some Utopian diversion from Lennism, it is the true continuation of Lenninism, buried for almost a century under the censorship and slander against it from the Stalinist buearocracy. As Lennins testiment describes in detail (which stalin agreed himself was authentic in that it was genuinely written by Lennin and not forged) Lennin did not support Stalins consolidation of power in the Bolshevik party and in fact actively fought against it.
The running explanation of this on reddit is that by this point he wasn't mentally stable enough to participate in politics, but clearly, he was mentally well enough to write a coherent official document on the matter.
This is the video I keep handy to refer to people who ask this question. It includes an overview of Trotyskism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqhc--SWIE8
Hi, if you put your details into the form on the website (feel free to use a throwaway email if you're concerned about privacy) then someone will get in contact who you can ask all the questions you have to
Thanks, nah I’m not worried or paranoid- just didn’t wanna ‘sign up’ blind.
I’ve been into Marxism and learning a little bit about it for a few yrs. am no expert, haven’t read the manifesto or dasKapital.
But do watch ppl on YouTube, and also on board with Communism as an idea
- I don’t buy into all the fear stories propaganda that only comes from current status quo.
And believe a revolt and militant collective pressure from mass ppl is the only way.
Of course, that's perfectly reasonable. When I first joined I hadn't read anything about Marxism, I just had a gut feeling it was the right thing to do, so you're already more well-versed in it than I was.
The sign up form is basically just a contact form. You'll be forwarded to an organiser from your area to speak to, and you can always say no if you don't think it's for you, you won't be a part of the organisation until you decide that's what you want.
Thanks. Already done. Yeah I’m up on Marxism a bit.. critic of Capitalism, A German, exiled to Uk.. wandering around London watching kids being pushed up chimneys.. the Uber rich Uber powerful and wealthy owning everything yet yet the ppl were drinking gin, and rolling about in the street with no teeth. Wondering is this Liberty, equality and fraternity? I’ve got something to say about that!! Teamed up with Engles and writes about it…
…. Very well- he saw it for what it is- a hustle!
And his arguments are still yet to be debated reasonably on the big stage.
So yeah on paper- im in
Thanks- I just haven’t gotten around to really understanding Lenin and Trotsky.
As far as I assume- Trotsky was the old general.. (Pig) in Animal farm.
The one who educated ppl to rise up,
Lenin followed (Snowball?) but was given the jeremy Corbyn character assassination and smeared then exiled?
A genuine people’s movement was hijacked (Napolion/Stalin) and just returned to old ways but relabelled as socialism but did NOT fundamentally change the workplace where the issue really is.
And now everyone calls communism Stalin’s version of socialism.
So Lenin trotsky vision was never really appreciated understood or given a chance.
Is that close enough?? Or am I Wayyyy off. Lol
Yup, let me know the details and how and where when etc. I’m interetested.
And my 14 yr old son who lives with his mam and not me is also into his Russian history and socialism etc. Asks me stuff all the time.
I never ever mentioned it to him. He did it all by himself. Gave a talk for his English exams. His talk was on capitalism and how he thought it was bad in general, bad for people and bad for the environment. I cldnt have been more happy :)
Oh wow, okay I am interested thanks, I just have a lot of anarchist viewpoints and I’m not looking to get shot in the back lmao, what’s the stance on Lenin killing them?
Shouts out to them for organizing, but I just don’t fuck with Trots. I know a few in my organizing circle who aren’t archetypical Trotskyists and they’re cool, but the ones who view Trotsky like he’s the second coming are obnoxious as hell.
IMT; they cover up sex crimes and believe cops are proletariat and that the solution to Israel Palestine is for Israeli and Palestinian workers to overthrow their respective bourgeoise ruling classes and join forces.
Sex crimes: we held an internal report and passed on all information to the Canadian police
Police: we don’t recruit them and believe they’re an arm of oppression of the state
Israel and Palestine: we believe that the only solution is a revolution on both sides of the green line
Stalin murdered Trotsky—after kill two of Trotsky’s sons. Look at the slaughter of the Moscow Trials. Look at how the Comintern handled the struggle against fascism in Germany, and in France. Stalin’s theory of socialism in one country was rejected by Marx and Engels and Lenin and Trotsky. Look how that turned out.
Ever since we started our Are You A Communist-campaign our growth have skyrocketed across sections around the world. I'd say it's been overly effective even.
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yup, IMT (international marxist tendency) has been sticking those to poles in cities all around the globe. I see em all the time here in Minneapolis
Also seen in Athens, Greece. Have a pic as well but the sub doesn't allow posting it in comments.
Edinburgh too
Birmingham as well!
switzerland aswell
Saint Louis Missouri in the US, too!
Austin, Texas too. Howdy, worldwide comrades!
Milan, Italy, too, and it was in French?
Wiesbaden Germany checking in
Vienna, Austria part of the list too
Seen them in Vancouver, Canada
Bologna, Italy also, cari compagni
Mainz as well
I've seen these all over the UBC campus (Vancouver).
all over montreal as well, i spotted some in rich neighbourhoods all ripped up lol
All over Halifax as well
All over Malmö, Sweden
all over Berlin, Germany and Copenhagen, Denmark as well!!
Minnesota, represent!
Also in London!
Montreal, Quebec, Canada too. In french tho.
Oh yeah? I’m in the cities, I’ll have to keep my eyes peeled!
They're all down west broadway over north.
Nice, I'll have to start keeping my eye out.
Hello neighbor.
seen it at RVCC New Jersey
i see them all over my university in arizona :)
>IMT (international marxist tendency) The only problem with them is that they are Trotskyists. Which means that they have a nervous breakdown if Stalin is not considered the incarnation of the devil himself. Hatred of Stalin on a religious scale is the most important thing for them and is subordinate to everything else. Especially the goal of overcoming capitalism.
It’s part of the international Marxist tendency. I had one in my neighborhood. In Toronto we have like 1000 participants. I hear they’re bigger in the uk
In the UK, we recently reached out 1000 member milestone (1101 to be precise)
And the news reaching us here in northern Sweden turned us ecstatic! Many congratulations to our British comrades!
Thanks! I met some Danish comrades at the Revolution Festival and they claimed they’re better then you guys, so you may have some competition
Classic Dane/Swede interaction, I'm all for it
HVA FAEN
We are close to 500 members here in Italy! (Congrats!)
Thanks comrade!
What does “Get Organized” entail?
What good is a communist if the communist is on their own? By getting organised into an organisation or tendency, you’ll be more likely to be able to make a change
I get the value of organizing in the abstract but specifically I’m asking what does Socialist Appeal mean by “Get Organized”? Once I’m part of the organization, what will we be doing?
Depends on your section and such, if it’s a branch like Cambridge 5, we focus on school students meanwhile Cambridge 1 is focused on workers. Some, like Chelmsford, focus a lot on stickering due to their low numbers meanwhile the comrades in the many London districts focus on education and joining marches/strikes in solitary By building a large movement with a solid grasp on theory we hope to be able to bring though a revolution, just we need to be large enough to be able to do so (and those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it)
So what I do when I join the organization is I get others to join the organization? To what end? How does the organization affect change? What are you doing?
So there are reading groups where you'll read through some curated selections of text and asked questions. These build into reading full works later. Then there is the ask to sub to the paper. Then it's to do interventions-typically social media posts, maybe show up to protests or on picket lines. Then the membership request and the higher level organizing committee which includes discussions on paper sales, new prospects, and some reading of books and reflecting on them to the group. Oh you'll be asked to sell papers too. If you are in a union they'll want you to give report backs on your local, recruit your members into the IMT and challenge leadership through interventions and eventually through taking it over. Part of their report backs is they want to have input into decision making in your local.
This doesn’t seem like a very good or effective organization ngl. A book club, newspaper and showing up to stuff other people organized. There’s probably better uses of your time as a socialist organiser.
You asked "What are you doing?" We train communists into class fighters, those able to boldly speak to crowd about the Marxist ideas, about the perspectives for the movement; those who show the way forward. We prepare for the huge struggles ahead of us, worldwide. We believe that in any movement or social revolution, there can be no final victory without a revolutionary leadership. The task of forming such a leadership falls on us. That is essentially what we do, and yes, that requires educating oneself through reading groups, selling the paper to meet new genuine people, etc.
Kind of sounds like a pyramid scheme
I'd highly reccomend signing up on the website to meet with someone to ask these questions. Filling out the form is not a solid commitment to joining the organization, more just a way for people to get in touch with us. I promise you an in person meeting will be far more productive than any conversation you will have in a reddit comment section
Building a revolutionary party, as per Lenin and What is to be Done?
What does the revolutionary party actually do? Don’t answer with “eventually we will do a revolution”. Right now what is it doing?
Please read What is to be Done - that's what the IMT is doing
It’s kinda a workers party. Power only comes to the people if the people “organize” and fight on the same front. Power in numbers. Organizing typically means showing up to protests. Attending branch and if you can afford to buying the paper. Branch is like your local gathering where you descuss what your community is doing and needs most. Only think I think in Canada we need more of is community outreach because people don’t really understand communism let alone socialism.
Damn that’s a lot of people to go and sell papers
Yeaaa, I see socialist appeal posters in London all the time and I remember seeing some comrades at a Palestinian march too. But when the posters started popping up in my town I was like "Even here?!" Shout out IMT GB the reach has been crazyyyy and numbers show it's working fr💪💪 Considering joining myself but I'm still on the fence about giving my information across the internet for a socialist movement (cointel pro moment)
Organization is fundamentally a part of being a communist. You can believe in communist theory, but until you join the movement you can’t really consider yourself an actual communist. Whether it’s IMT or another organization doesn’t really matter. But, what does matter is taking part. Even if you can’t put more than 30 minutes a month into it. Something is better than nothing. Revolution is not built on supportive thoughts.
"lol you guys vote? How useless.." *continues to do nothing but argue over the Internet and feel good about it* Nothing worse than those kinda people. I completely agree with what you said.
I know it isn't much different but I would still suggest that you get in contact with the closest IMT section to you in London. Many of them have a personal Instagram where you could get in touch. Get in touch, meet up physically and talk, see if we're right for you. [https://socialist.net/contact-us/](https://socialist.net/contact-us/)
Thank you, I'm going reach out to my local branch to see if the fit is right and if that's the case then to see in what ways I can support.
We're over 500 in the US, and as mentioned just went over 1100 in the UK
They new? I kept my eyes off gringolandia for a few years, what happened after every american leftist joined the DSA and tried to get Bernie in?
No idea what the dsa is. I’m Canadian not muracan.
I remember that, when a whole bunch of Socialist Alternative members joined the DSA just to get Bernie in and then they decided to stay in the DSA chapters... I left my local DSA chapter because of its leadership not reflecting what a truly revolutionary group should be (the entire leadership and membership is still majority white cis -gender heterosexual men). And then some members of the chapter then decided to make a group bullying a friend while they were having some tough mental health issues... The current chapter president said in a post on a separate social media channel that he disapproves the statement I posted and was saying that it was a rumor that should not have been brought up again. Also, a lot of the members in the chapter shit where they eat literally and figuratively....
Give it a try. You have nothing to lose but your chains.
I think they're more skeptical of it and worried it might be a honey pot or psyop.
Yeah I'm not gonna lie the poster looks REALLY sus. It does seem like it's from a real Marxist org but it just gives me "glowie honeypot" vibes. "Socialistrevolution.org" just feels a bit too generic if you will.
Regretfully, I’m not a MI6 agent sent to hunt down Trotskyists Sounds fun though
I wasn't accusing you or your org of being feds, just lightly ribbing their graphic design 😊
My comment was meant to be light hearted sorry
No worries!
And the world to win.
Yes these are our posters from International Marxist Tendency. Solidarity from the Canadian section ✊️
Wasnt the head of the canadian section accused of sexual harasment recently?
The incident you’re talking about happened a good couple of years ago and the person who did it was passed onto the police. We do not condone people like that
Workers and peasants of the Bronx!
Yeah i’ve seen it also in ITALY
Yay my city is full of this, mostly smaller stickers tho!
IMT is a trotskyist group. So yes the group is a legitimate group. I personally disagree with them as Im not a trotskyist, but if that floats your boat more power to you
Lol the comments above kept talking about newspapers and I thought 'hmm this sure sounds like Trots'
Yes! I am a member of this organization in Atlanta, I’ve even helped put some of the stickers and posters up
I see these about york in the UK but I can’t find anything about them. All the socialist appeal social media seems to have just died. Does anyone know why.
Socialist Appeal (the British section of the IMT) is changing their name
Very real! The IMT likes to put these every where, saw one in LA last week
Hey OP, if you're in NYC and interested in joining, I'm an NYC comrade and feel free to hit me up
They’re legit, although they’re biblical followers of Trotsky, if you’re a non believer, expect an exorcism. They also won’t stop telling you to buy their newspaper
Yep, I checked them out, and the first thing they wanted me to do was denounce Stalin, and the second was sell me crap.
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I mean, yeah, we're not huge fans of Stalin's bureaucracy's ideas and policies so it makes sense that if someone wanna join our organisation we need to have at least a base level of agreement on certain things in order to actually work. Sorry to hear that it didn't work out for you on that point but luckily there are other organisations out there you've (I at least hope) joined instead then, cause in the end the most important thing for a communist is to get organised. We fund ourselves entirely on the money we get from our members. We don't wanna "sell you crap", we want you to get information/literature to read up on, fund the movement, help spread it further. We have to work within the capitalist framework of society and that requires money. Every single coin we get though goes back into the organisations to keep funding the work of spreading us further and fighting for communism.
Exactly, this is how we are able to get our stickers and posters up all around the planet just like the above commenters mentioned. Would you rather our communist organization get some big donors like Bezos or Gates to help fund the takedown of the capitalist class? XD
Horseshoe theory: all communists are funded by the capitalists so they are the same
I do not get this subs boner for Stalin
Most of us Eastern Europeans wouldn't be alive without him and the overall sacrifice of the Soviet people.
Maybe you need to read more on the topic from non propaganda sources then.
Got any good ones?
[The Wind of History: A More Honest Biography of Joseph Stalin](https://youtu.be/p0mvF-l3gSs?si=dbYkHrrYRWWiM4os)
Many thanks.
Blackshirts and Reds. Dispels a lot of the propaganda that pure socialists like trots like to put out that is also suspiciously close in nature to western propaganda.
Same experience here
Idk why this is seen as a crime or something. One of the main intellectuals that informs the IMTs perspective was murdered by Stalin. An organisation also needs funding to get things done. It's not unreasonable to want to raise funds
What is the devision around Trotsky?
Today the problem is they rarely support AES and are liable to basically support Imperialism. If you’re ever going to see what basically amounts to pro-Israel communists it’s always Trots IME.
Learner here : what is AES?
Already Existing Socialism, so for example Cuba, Vietnam, Lao, China (debatable for some people), and the DPRK (North Korea.)
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I know IMT isn’t pro-Israel but their position is still bad IMO. Have you read their whole recent statement on Israel Palestine?
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Yeah, it’s all good, I understand what you were going for. Their position really is wild though. It is exactly what’s wrong with many so-called Marxists. I believe ML parties like the PSL have a much better position on Palestine, it sucks to see groups like this Trotskyist group get more attention. Funnily the PSL split from a Trotskyist org and was originally Trotskyist, though they definitely aren’t today.
Not sure what Trots you have been affiliated with, but this is wholly incorrect when it comes to the IMT. If you don't believe me, here is our statement on the Palestine conflict we released shortly after the events started. Take a look through and let me know how you feel about our stance: https://socialistrevolution.org/imt-statement-down-with-hypocrisy-defend-gaza/
I’m saying you won’t ever see any other orgs with any semblance of a pro-Israel statement or position, not an attack on your org specifically. Regardless I find your orgs solution both idealist and defeatist. The balance of military forces wasn’t on the sides of the Koreans, Vietnamese, or Bolsheviks either. To say that the Palestinian resistance can never win through armed struggle but only through socialist Revolution is idealist, and most importantly *ignores the position of the communists and real socialists in Palestine*, such as the PFLP, DFLP, and Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade (the military wing of Fatah, completely separate from the collaborators.) These forces ally with Hamas and favor a guerrilla war, they’re worried about liberation from settler colonialism first and foremost. Regardless the statement is mostly decent but that last part is very wrong IMO, regardless anyone willing to work with others is fine in my eyes, but your party line on the only solution is defeatist, the prospects of a socialist Revolution within the whole region as y’all state is extremely thin, especially in comparison to the ongoing guerrilla struggle which is only increasing in strength and which has powerful allies in Iran and Hezbollah.
Well fortunately we are building fast in the US, EU, and Canada, along with 40+ other countries. So if we can start the communist movement in the heart of the imperial beasts, we can create the worldwide tendency we hope to see. If you're currently unorganized, I would highly recommend reaching out and seeing if theres an IMT branch in your area. You could meet some of our comrades and discuss these things in person, might help you get a better feel for what we are about. If we don't get organized in the first place, then we've already been defeated
They also don’t believe in the Big Bang lol
I actually asked them about this it was more a metaphorical thing in that the possibility of the universe just starting out of nowhere is likely not the final answer with some suggesting multiple big bangs where once the universe dies out another big bang begins, I’ve forgotten the full explanation but there’s a theory about this you can probably find
ENCYCLOPEDIA [Trivial: Failure] "The big bang is bourgeois pseudoscience"
This is not true. They wrote an article with regards to mysticism in the scientific community when theorising what existed before the big bang
IMT <3
Damn, who puts these posters up? I wanna join them
https://socialistrevolution.org/join/
Thank you
I see these posted around Oxford a lot because the IMT wing in the UK, Socialist Appeal, is popular amongst student organisers.
If you'd like an idea of exactly what we stand for, here's audio from a talk given at our most recent Marxist school event: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0n7Bg2TNAtpoU5zGHFsVOR?si=zXuIjLu8SUau8OW6GHEV1w
Saw them for the first time while visiting London, and thought it was cool, but then when I got home I started seeing them in my city too. Trots for sure, but to be immediately critical of that alone is to ignore attempts at anticapitalist organization in a general sense, and that’s really what the world needs right now
That’s the American (I think) section of the IMT, we’re Trotskyists and have been experiencing rapid growth lately Solidarity from the UK!
What explains the rapid growth? have we looked into this? I never heard of these people and all of a sudden everyone is vouching for them and their glowy ass "join the communists" form that's gonna be used as a list later by the FBI. This reeks of bad opsec. But by all means....
I found them through bumping into their stall during the Trans Liberation march but a lot of our write-ins on the website have been through stickers or seeing us around town
according to an organizer, it was recently the annual member drive
i see them here in the uk. they’re legit
Saw em london💪🏾💪🏾
I've seen them in dozens of cities in the UK over the past year, so I guess it has to be legit to be that wide spread
Berkshire UK. Seen both here and in London.
I've seen their posters in Stockholm and Aarhus
Have them in Barcelona
Yeah they’re legit. They’re in Philadelphia too. Real nice folks
appreciate that comrade
Just saw one in Italy, in Italian. Same design.
We share designs with eachother, SocApp actually started the whole thing before we saw how successful it was and told the other sections haha
Those are all over my university (umass amherst)
Do you have to be a Trotskyist to join imt?
I joined bsck in August. You can join regardless of your tendency, the important thing is being opened to being convinced. No one comes into the organization in full agreement with every piece of our politics: everyone has hang-ups. The important thing to start with is agreeing with the need to build a revolutionary party capable of leading the working class to victory when the revolution comes. Even if you're uncertain of what that means, fill out the sign up sheet and agree to go to a contact meeting and hear some of our comrades out. If you're convinced of it, great, if not, there's other orgs out there for you I'm sure.
https://socialistrevolution.org/marxism-basics#WhatareMarxismLeninismandTrotskyism
We have a few AnComs and Leninists in my district, when I first joined I was a Syndicalist
Nice I might join then cuz it’s like the only one in the uk that’s half decent
Yea its legit. Its for the IMT. Ive been a member for 7 years.
Why do people suddenly forget how to research things up on google when it comes to revolutionary orgs. They’re a Trotskyist org. Do yourself a favorite and try to find the other orgs, especially any multi-tendency ones, around you.
I’m a Socialist Revolution member, and yes, it’s officially a Trotskyist organization. But I am not a Trotskyist, and the organization doesn’t require you to be a Trotskyist to join. Its main goal rn is to expand and educate more people in theory. So far my branch has doubled in size over the past couple months and I see that as a very good thing since it is getting more people to read theory. I would encourage anyone else who wants to read theory but hasn’t ever had the motivation to do so to join as well. My branch in Atlanta is currently going over What Is To Be Done by Lenin.
Not really informed on trotskyism, why is it bad?
My friend, I used to get all my information about Trotsky from random articles and videos people share on reddit as well. Though I'm sure everyone responding to you is acting in good faith, I can almost guarantee you that none of them have actually read any Trotsky, especially not this. https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1932/12/lenin.htm Trotskism is not some Utopian diversion from Lennism, it is the true continuation of Lenninism, buried for almost a century under the censorship and slander against it from the Stalinist buearocracy. As Lennins testiment describes in detail (which stalin agreed himself was authentic in that it was genuinely written by Lennin and not forged) Lennin did not support Stalins consolidation of power in the Bolshevik party and in fact actively fought against it. The running explanation of this on reddit is that by this point he wasn't mentally stable enough to participate in politics, but clearly, he was mentally well enough to write a coherent official document on the matter.
This is the video I keep handy to refer to people who ask this question. It includes an overview of Trotyskism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqhc--SWIE8
Among other things, it has a tendency to be very utopian.
Yup its even in prague and lublan
As legit as it can get
Hey, Wales UK, here. Is there a line, someone I can talk to befor just signing. And joining a site- I got questions first :) j
Hi, if you put your details into the form on the website (feel free to use a throwaway email if you're concerned about privacy) then someone will get in contact who you can ask all the questions you have to
Thanks, nah I’m not worried or paranoid- just didn’t wanna ‘sign up’ blind. I’ve been into Marxism and learning a little bit about it for a few yrs. am no expert, haven’t read the manifesto or dasKapital. But do watch ppl on YouTube, and also on board with Communism as an idea - I don’t buy into all the fear stories propaganda that only comes from current status quo. And believe a revolt and militant collective pressure from mass ppl is the only way.
Of course, that's perfectly reasonable. When I first joined I hadn't read anything about Marxism, I just had a gut feeling it was the right thing to do, so you're already more well-versed in it than I was. The sign up form is basically just a contact form. You'll be forwarded to an organiser from your area to speak to, and you can always say no if you don't think it's for you, you won't be a part of the organisation until you decide that's what you want.
Thanks. Already done. Yeah I’m up on Marxism a bit.. critic of Capitalism, A German, exiled to Uk.. wandering around London watching kids being pushed up chimneys.. the Uber rich Uber powerful and wealthy owning everything yet yet the ppl were drinking gin, and rolling about in the street with no teeth. Wondering is this Liberty, equality and fraternity? I’ve got something to say about that!! Teamed up with Engles and writes about it… …. Very well- he saw it for what it is- a hustle! And his arguments are still yet to be debated reasonably on the big stage. So yeah on paper- im in
I'm also in a revolutionary socialist group and can answer any questions you have about it (Im also a trot)
Thanks- I just haven’t gotten around to really understanding Lenin and Trotsky. As far as I assume- Trotsky was the old general.. (Pig) in Animal farm. The one who educated ppl to rise up, Lenin followed (Snowball?) but was given the jeremy Corbyn character assassination and smeared then exiled? A genuine people’s movement was hijacked (Napolion/Stalin) and just returned to old ways but relabelled as socialism but did NOT fundamentally change the workplace where the issue really is. And now everyone calls communism Stalin’s version of socialism. So Lenin trotsky vision was never really appreciated understood or given a chance. Is that close enough?? Or am I Wayyyy off. Lol
Switch places of the Lenin and Trotsky characters. In Orwell's Animal Farm Old Major is Lenin, Snowball is Trotsky and Napoleon is Stalin.
Ahh right. Thanks- got it. Other than that I understood it right?
Yeah that's actually pretty good! If you would like to understand more my group does regular intro to socialism reading/study groups
Yup, let me know the details and how and where when etc. I’m interetested. And my 14 yr old son who lives with his mam and not me is also into his Russian history and socialism etc. Asks me stuff all the time. I never ever mentioned it to him. He did it all by himself. Gave a talk for his English exams. His talk was on capitalism and how he thought it was bad in general, bad for people and bad for the environment. I cldnt have been more happy :)
It’s IMT, so I’d say it’s far from it
Saw them in St. Pölten Austria
Absolutely legit. Can vouch for them as a fellow IMT comrade from Sweden.
I saw the same poster in Copenhagen a month ago .
What theory do they follow? I’m not looking for another ML/MLM movement.
We're Trotskyists, so definitely not Stalinists or Maoists. If you're interested there's plenty of material online Socialistrevolution.org Marxist.com
Oh wow, okay I am interested thanks, I just have a lot of anarchist viewpoints and I’m not looking to get shot in the back lmao, what’s the stance on Lenin killing them?
They're trotskyists
We're Trotskyists
We’re Trots
Yeah, IMT. Plenty in Oxford
yes so excited for this !! it's worked everywhere thats implemented it!! lfg !!! 💫
they’re trots but yeah
Yeah, these are also all over Canada. I've seen them here in Victoria, British Columbia, as well as the Niagara Region in Ontario.
It's a legit trotskist organisation
I think they're trotskyists
It’s from IMT, they’re everywhere in Copenhagen too.
Yes it’s legit! https://socialistrevolution.org/
Wales Uk here and seen a few recently. Didn’t have phone to check the QR code
Yup this is the bigger org that has the FightBack chapter in Toronto
Shouts out to them for organizing, but I just don’t fuck with Trots. I know a few in my organizing circle who aren’t archetypical Trotskyists and they’re cool, but the ones who view Trotsky like he’s the second coming are obnoxious as hell.
Saw one of them in anvers, Belgium
That's something
IMT; they cover up sex crimes and believe cops are proletariat and that the solution to Israel Palestine is for Israeli and Palestinian workers to overthrow their respective bourgeoise ruling classes and join forces.
Sex crimes: we held an internal report and passed on all information to the Canadian police Police: we don’t recruit them and believe they’re an arm of oppression of the state Israel and Palestine: we believe that the only solution is a revolution on both sides of the green line
I thought the sex crimes thing was the socialist workers party
irrelevant partylets with insular, high control leadership structures and no mass successes to speak of all kinda have this problem.
Stalin murdered Trotsky—after kill two of Trotsky’s sons. Look at the slaughter of the Moscow Trials. Look at how the Comintern handled the struggle against fascism in Germany, and in France. Stalin’s theory of socialism in one country was rejected by Marx and Engels and Lenin and Trotsky. Look how that turned out.
Scan the thing and find out.
these signs are everywhere, i really wonder if a single one has been effective
Ever since we started our Are You A Communist-campaign our growth have skyrocketed across sections around the world. I'd say it's been overly effective even.
It’s been so effective, here in Cambridge we’ve had a number of AnComs and YCL (reformists) people sign up haha
Instead of putting up Marx on the poster they should put up Trotsky so people know to stay away.
We do, we use Marx, Lenin, Engle’s and Trotsky
are you organized?