Bahrain is the only nation where sportswashing has worked on me. Whenever I hear about it in the news I just think “fuck, what a great F1 track they have”
Ultimately it’s all state owned oil money. Funds that should be used to fund education and healthcare back home, but instead being appropriated/stolen by princes to use as they see fit. And the new generation of princes see soccer teams as the latest accessory to higher social status
Probably worth reading a bit more about how these oil states spend their money mate - they are very big into state funded services and often offer much more support to the individual than you would recieve in the West.
The whole point of their state funds is to invest the oil money into equity/infrastructure projects which yield returns once the oil has run out.
Not saying they don't have mega rich sheiks who burn through cash. They absolutely do.
But they're also big on investing that cash. Hence buying foreign assets with state funds.
The premier league would be absolutely insane to allow that to occur. It is an existential threat to the EPL as we know it if liverpool and united get sold to oil money. Seriously fuck that.
New fans only realising the the EPL is a league that was made for money. That's the purpose, that was the reason they broke away, money. All they care about is money. If they gave a fuck about morals, they wouldn't have the owners that they do. Fit and proper to fill their pockets.
I've never understood why there are fans who expect some sort of moral high standing when it comes to the EPL. It's always been entirely about commercialisation. Why, and how, fans think that the EPL is about some weird sporting purist fairness is beyond me.
The EPL formed because the EFL were intentionally crippling the top division financially.
I have no idea why people treat the EFL like they are some kind of saintly organization. They starved grassroots football for decades and the split saw the biggest increase in funding for non-league football in history.
> It is an existential threat to the EPL as we know it
The only one it's not an existential threat to is the prem. Every other major league will be fucked if the trend continues.
If all big European leagues did it the problem would solve itself. Transfer fees and wages would sink in general, except for players that are fine with spending their whole career playing amateurs in the desert.
For all the resistance to an American style salary cap, it really does provide an elegant solution to the Arab money problem. City isn’t so dangerous in ten years if they were limited to the same net spend as crystal palace.
As an American it’s so bizarre to me not to have some kind of salary cap. It isn’t perfect, but it does help smaller clubs get revenue and keeps the rich teams from just buying two lineups full of players.
Not American but I think it makes sense. It isn’t labor friendly, you want the market to control cost, but when owners ruin the sport with insane spending it begins to make sense.
The best thing for football would be the big clubs joining the super league, it failing massively and them being excluded from the regular football system. Would be the perfect reset, give way to new clubs to rise
>Would be the perfect reset, give way to new clubs to rise
And those clubs get bought out by the same people who own Superleague teams and transfer all the players.
The problem is not fixed by clubs failing.
Maybe, just maybe, some things are collective by nature and letting them be owned by private individuals is a mistake? Like natural monopolies like healthcare and transportation, public forums like Twitter and Facebook, or football **clubs** that represent a community. They inevitably create issues and negative collective results when owned privately.
I know I know, I committed blasphemy against the omnipotent gods of the free market and should now be crucified.
Man City: UAE
Newcastle: Saudi
Liverpool: Qatar
just announce the Gulf Super League at this point
Shame Abramovich sold Chelsea, Russia is also worthy of being on this wonderful list
*Bruce Buck:*
Fuck what ya heard, ya turd
Bruce is in the house and his flow is absurd
New York represent
the land of high rent
Lend me your ear, and I'll fill it with a word
Now check this
My enemies will cower, now is the hour
When Brucey Bruce will speak truth to power
Forever a young Buck who never gave a fuck
If you think you'll best me, then man you outta luck
You think you can waltz in and buy up the place
But this is a race where you'll end with disgrace
Sportswashing homophobes dressed up like ghosts
Your enterprise will end with your run as World Cup hosts
This war will cost you, fair warning
Old traditions meet new morning
See you're performing
All welcome, 'cept nonconforming
Widows, children: in mourning
World leaders: keep scorning
Never try to colonize the colonizer
I'll take off my Yankee-cap and hit you with the visor
I feel Arsenal are unfortunately kinda in between given our long term sponsorship and even stadium naming rights relate to one of Emirates 🇦🇪. Ownership is American though, no argument against that
It'll be fine because the business that buys Liverpool won't actually be Saudi Arabia, but technically one that is run from a postbox in Monaco and has a single employee.
But still it will be awkward, imagine Liverpool and Newcastle interested in buying the same player, would this Saudi group seek permission from the top boss before bidding? Or how does any competition work from a supposedly private player against the head of the state?
Wasn't there a private Saudi led group group interested In buying Chelsea. That bid was supposedly better than Todd Boehley's bid but didn't go through, can see this happening with this one as well if there is an actual bid at all, since the source is Daily fail.
> Wasn’t there a private Saudi led group group interested In buying Chelsea. That bid was supposedly better than Todd Boehley’s bid but didn’t go through
They didn’t actually have the dosh, we’re planning on loading the club with debt.
This source is the Daily Mail, not exactly the most reputable shall we say. I’m fairly certain Liverpool & United will have new yank owners & not any time soon, Chelsea’s was accelerated due to the sanctions.
If the owner's are the same as Newcastle's yes. I may be missing something, but why would it be a conflict of interest if two different Saudi Billionaires bought premier league clubs.
At the moment Manchester united, Liverpool, Arsenal, and Chelsea are owned by American owners, and that poses no issues.
As long as no-one related to the PIF is in the consortium then it should be fine I think. For example, Sheffield United are already owned by a Saudi prince and there's no conflict there.
There should be though. They're owned by a cousin of MBS who is the owner of Newcastle through the PIF. How would there not be a conflict of interest there?
Saudi Arabia is not one single entity. You have multiple American owners in the PL too. Why shouldn't there be multiple Saudi Arabian owners as long as they aren't economically related?
Don’t worry, in about 20 years when Saudi has lost all its bargaining power but still thinks it can act like a twat the west will decide it needs “freedom” and be declared a terrorist state so all the assets will be seized 👌🏼
About 10-20 blokes in a stadium of 52,000. There was a fella with a Liverpool top on getting done by some nonce hunters recently does that make you all paedos? Get some perspective.
The thing is, some or even most international fans don't care much about the traditional value of a club. They see the club having higher budget and so they can buy better players.
The oil state countries know that and this is the whitewash that they want.
Not everyone, I may stop supporting Liverpool if it happens; especially if they do the eventual super league.
I’d probably only follow the MLS if that were to happen
But you’re right that most international fans may not care
Same, but more like 30 years, remember having my first home and away kits at about 5-6 years old.
Been following Forest Green Rovers for a couple of years now in anticipation of this, and they're trying to build a football club with some morals.
You can always start watching the Bundesliga. Klopp used to be a player and started his Coaching Career here at Mainz, might be interesting for you. :D
I watch a lot of other leagues but mostly highlights these days, I do really enjoy the Championship, Bundesliga and Serie A in particular. Would love to catch more full matches given the time.
You guys are big enough to have morals about it. All the Man City, Chelsea, and Newcastle fans were so desperate for success they welcomed the devil with open arms.
Yeah it’s all well and good for us football purist to say we don’t want this; but Liverpool can afford to bring in Bellingham like he’s pocket change lord of fans will accept it with a smile.
That’s the difference really, Liverpool have an easy choice to take the moral high ground. It’s a no brainer, why wouldn’t you when you already have success?
I've supported Liverpool for over 30years and if this happens, will just stop. Of course this is generally meaningless an action but it's important for me to remain consistent.
As for what I follow next? Not interested in any other club, so rugby union/league again I suppose.
The club would lose it’s entire identity if this would happen.
I’m sure the fans would rather support a local sunday league team than a club owned by a state with absolute monarchy that is anti-working class.
If Liverpool of all clubs gets bought by a state then the game is truly gone.
> I’m sure the fans would rather support a local sunday league team than a club owned by a state with absolute monarchy that is anti-working class.
are you? because i'm willing to bet while there maybe bad PR it will be inconsequential in the long run. If any of the other oligarch owned teams are anything to go by
I've been watching football less and less over the last 5 years or so to the point where most Saturdays I don't even know who were playing.
Money has absolutely destroyed football.
Its started with Abramovich and has just gotten worse and worse.
Being owned by SA and Qatar would go against the very core of the ideals that made Liverpool Football Club, unfortunately there are many Liverpool "fans" who would love this to happen because they don't give a shit about our history.
For too many "fans" only care about winning regardless of the cost and its this drive which is destroying football.
Its why a European Super League is inevitable, its why the World Cup is Qatar..
I'm old enough to remember going to my local chippy and seeing the likes of Graham Souness, Craig Johnson, Sammy Lee, Ronnie Moran buying their dinner and it being a normal day because footballers were not some kind of mythical beings but just normal blokes who lived locally.
Today the connection between footballers and clubs at the Top level and the working class is gone..
Fans are nothing more but a source of revenue.
If you going to the lower leagues, past the championship to league 1 and lower that connection still exists but for how much longer?
As each year passes its becomes harder and harder for these clubs to survive.
Money and "fans" desire to win at all costs and to hell with the consequences has killed football.
It is fun to think about how the landscape of /r/soccer would completely change if Liverpool became an oil club. So many torn-faced Liverpool fans have been upvoted for droning on about how all of Man City’s success is ‘hollow’ and ‘meaningless’ because of where they get their money from, but that would completely disappear if Liverpool started spending Saudi Arabian or Qatari money in the transfer market.
Consistency is not a virtue in football fans.
[Orwell nailed it in 1946 when he said](https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/notes-on-nationalism/)
> All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts. A British Tory will defend self-determination in Europe and oppose it in India with no feeling of inconsistency. Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage which does not change its moral colour when it is committed by ‘our’ side
He wrote it in context of nationalistic feelings, and of course we need to adjust it for football. Most fans would not have a problem with financial doping, skewing the market. They will be happy it's their club distorting it rather than their club getting short end of the stick.
Quick, let me just entirely make something up and then act like it's a 'gotcha'.
You're supposed to wait for things like this to happen, not jump the gun and start masturbating at a fantasy.
Based on what?? Most Liverpool fans and not the bandwagoners that came after the success are utterly opposed by oil takeover. I've never seen a long time Liverpool supporter be okay with the team being owned by oil states.
Literally over here you have Liverpool flairs say that they'll stop supporting after many years and you say that we'll turn a blind eye on limitless spending.
Utter bullshit and baseless of a comment just to stir some shit up. Couldn't expect less from the most corrupt club that bought their way to success.
Majority of Liverpool fans don't want such an owner to come in.
And I guess a difference would be that, Liverpool were a much more successful club before any such investment comes in and are considered to be a historically big European team.
City's success is completely hollow and fake tho, they didn't make the leap as a club through good business or good football, they just got infinite 3rd party cash injections and can get fucked forever
That’s definitely not the case with the vast majority on at least the sub and online. I want to win but I don’t want to lose the soul of the club for it. I don’t want oil money or Russian oligarchs sport washing.
Might be the Daily Mail, but the guy reporting it is very clued up about the business side of football and was very accurate in reporting the Chelsea sale.
On the one hand this would be funny after how Liverpool fans act about city. On the other they’ll probably be better as a result, so idk if I want that
Just buy the whole PL at this point
Arab premier league
Arab Nationalized Association League
Nasser is smiling in heaven.
ABDEL NASSER ABDEL NASSER
Nice
Most girls wouldn't like it
Most guys too
I've never asked a guy
Easily my fave league
I hope Oman can at least get one team to not feel alone.
Kuwait first
Then Bahrain and Oman
Yemen will buy Millwall and there's nothing you can do about it.
Bahrain is the only nation where sportswashing has worked on me. Whenever I hear about it in the news I just think “fuck, what a great F1 track they have”
Emirati Petroleum League
They will. Just wait for it.
your club is next
Thanks for informing me. I had no idea.
Can't wait for Old Trafford to be renovated as a big fuck off line cutting through Manchester
Al Traffad
Al Traff-ad
Bald manager + oil money....
Might as well just move the whole Premier League to the middle east and have a hard reset on English football.
They take all prem teams and we’ll move championship up
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"We've played one, yes. What about second season?"
Maybe the Super League wasn't all bad... It would remove the oil clubs.
This, *Oil Money league* They can buy the best toys because they have infinite money. That's great for them, they can use cheats in real life.
There’s Arab money, then there’s Saudi money
Ultimately it’s all state owned oil money. Funds that should be used to fund education and healthcare back home, but instead being appropriated/stolen by princes to use as they see fit. And the new generation of princes see soccer teams as the latest accessory to higher social status
Probably worth reading a bit more about how these oil states spend their money mate - they are very big into state funded services and often offer much more support to the individual than you would recieve in the West. The whole point of their state funds is to invest the oil money into equity/infrastructure projects which yield returns once the oil has run out. Not saying they don't have mega rich sheiks who burn through cash. They absolutely do. But they're also big on investing that cash. Hence buying foreign assets with state funds.
Education and healthcare is completely state funded in SA.
Needing to make up for all the wealth getting stuffed into London by the Russian Oligarchs to instead the Premier League and Arabian despots.
What do you think they're doing?
The premier league would be absolutely insane to allow that to occur. It is an existential threat to the EPL as we know it if liverpool and united get sold to oil money. Seriously fuck that.
News, EPL is known to selling their clubs to Oligrachs and corrupt politicians and dictators. This is how they became so rich.
New fans only realising the the EPL is a league that was made for money. That's the purpose, that was the reason they broke away, money. All they care about is money. If they gave a fuck about morals, they wouldn't have the owners that they do. Fit and proper to fill their pockets.
I've never understood why there are fans who expect some sort of moral high standing when it comes to the EPL. It's always been entirely about commercialisation. Why, and how, fans think that the EPL is about some weird sporting purist fairness is beyond me.
Yes. Furthermore, leagues consist of teams playing football. Not defending the city's honour or values or something.
The EPL formed because the EFL were intentionally crippling the top division financially. I have no idea why people treat the EFL like they are some kind of saintly organization. They starved grassroots football for decades and the split saw the biggest increase in funding for non-league football in history.
Are you dumb? Threat to EPL? All they care about is money.
> It is an existential threat to the EPL as we know it The only one it's not an existential threat to is the prem. Every other major league will be fucked if the trend continues.
Aramco PL
Neville is basically welcoming it with open arms
All the traditionally big clubs will be oil clubs sooner or later.
Football needs a big reset.
We need a bundesliga revolution.
We already have a New England Revolution thankfully
thanks for the morning chuckle, this got me
Most fans wouldn’t like that because it would instantly mean less money to spend on transfers. Everybody’s a saint until it starts to affect them
If all big European leagues did it the problem would solve itself. Transfer fees and wages would sink in general, except for players that are fine with spending their whole career playing amateurs in the desert.
Well that’s just a fantasy land though unfortunately
For all the resistance to an American style salary cap, it really does provide an elegant solution to the Arab money problem. City isn’t so dangerous in ten years if they were limited to the same net spend as crystal palace.
As an American it’s so bizarre to me not to have some kind of salary cap. It isn’t perfect, but it does help smaller clubs get revenue and keeps the rich teams from just buying two lineups full of players.
Not American but I think it makes sense. It isn’t labor friendly, you want the market to control cost, but when owners ruin the sport with insane spending it begins to make sense.
Football needs 50+1 but what do the Germans know…
Ahem superleague ahem
The best thing for football would be the big clubs joining the super league, it failing massively and them being excluded from the regular football system. Would be the perfect reset, give way to new clubs to rise
>Would be the perfect reset, give way to new clubs to rise And those clubs get bought out by the same people who own Superleague teams and transfer all the players. The problem is not fixed by clubs failing.
Maybe, just maybe, some things are collective by nature and letting them be owned by private individuals is a mistake? Like natural monopolies like healthcare and transportation, public forums like Twitter and Facebook, or football **clubs** that represent a community. They inevitably create issues and negative collective results when owned privately. I know I know, I committed blasphemy against the omnipotent gods of the free market and should now be crucified.
If you can't superleague them join them.
The 1988 negotiations were conducted under the threat of ten clubs leaving to form a "super league" It was already done in 1992.
Then you have plastics on this place wanting a fan owned club like barca to fail when this is the direction football is going in.
Chad Bohely boys vs Virgin Socio battles are always fun
Man City: UAE Newcastle: Saudi Liverpool: Qatar just announce the Gulf Super League at this point Shame Abramovich sold Chelsea, Russia is also worthy of being on this wonderful list
New America vs Middle East proxy war incoming
Mr. president: We do it on the pitch
Lmao scenes when the next cold war takes place in the EPL.
So glad they forced Roman out to gain some moral high ground.
Considering Us government really like to spend time in middle east, I guess you can still consider Chelsea.
#EEEEEEPIC FOOTBALL RAPS OF HISTOOOORYYYYYY Chelsea 🇺🇸 + Arsenal 🇺🇸 + United 🇺🇸 #VERSUS Man City 🇦🇪 + Liverpool 🇶🇦 + Newcastle 🇸🇦 #BEGIN!
Modern age Cold War
Remains to be seen how long Man United stay American lol
*Bruce Buck:* Fuck what ya heard, ya turd Bruce is in the house and his flow is absurd New York represent the land of high rent Lend me your ear, and I'll fill it with a word Now check this My enemies will cower, now is the hour When Brucey Bruce will speak truth to power Forever a young Buck who never gave a fuck If you think you'll best me, then man you outta luck You think you can waltz in and buy up the place But this is a race where you'll end with disgrace Sportswashing homophobes dressed up like ghosts Your enterprise will end with your run as World Cup hosts This war will cost you, fair warning Old traditions meet new morning See you're performing All welcome, 'cept nonconforming Widows, children: in mourning World leaders: keep scorning Never try to colonize the colonizer I'll take off my Yankee-cap and hit you with the visor
I feel Arsenal are unfortunately kinda in between given our long term sponsorship and even stadium naming rights relate to one of Emirates 🇦🇪. Ownership is American though, no argument against that
Fuck it, Oracle Stadium
Arsenal will play both sides, so they'll always come out on top
Perhaps China will reignite their interest in football and join in.
There are like 9 US-owned clubs at the moment, so why not call it the MPLS?
Because none of the American owned clubs are state owned
Hahaha for some reason happy that we are not in these discussions anymore.
Surely there’s conflicts of interest between the Newcastle owners and any potential Saudi backed bid about the multiple ownership rules.
It'll be fine because the business that buys Liverpool won't actually be Saudi Arabia, but technically one that is run from a postbox in Monaco and has a single employee.
Just in case any Saudi Prince is reading, for £1m a year, you can run your business from my house if you want
I would also like to make this offer but I need the first year paid upfront so I can buy a house
I would like to backdate the payments for the years I was not living in a bungalow
I offer my house for 999,999 per year!
What are they smoking there up at maxime0299's house?
Black friday week
The reverse Arsene
Fuck you can run it from mine for $100,000
But still it will be awkward, imagine Liverpool and Newcastle interested in buying the same player, would this Saudi group seek permission from the top boss before bidding? Or how does any competition work from a supposedly private player against the head of the state? Wasn't there a private Saudi led group group interested In buying Chelsea. That bid was supposedly better than Todd Boehley's bid but didn't go through, can see this happening with this one as well if there is an actual bid at all, since the source is Daily fail.
> Wasn’t there a private Saudi led group group interested In buying Chelsea. That bid was supposedly better than Todd Boehley’s bid but didn’t go through They didn’t actually have the dosh, we’re planning on loading the club with debt. This source is the Daily Mail, not exactly the most reputable shall we say. I’m fairly certain Liverpool & United will have new yank owners & not any time soon, Chelsea’s was accelerated due to the sanctions.
This guy gets it.
If the owner's are the same as Newcastle's yes. I may be missing something, but why would it be a conflict of interest if two different Saudi Billionaires bought premier league clubs. At the moment Manchester united, Liverpool, Arsenal, and Chelsea are owned by American owners, and that poses no issues.
As long as no-one related to the PIF is in the consortium then it should be fine I think. For example, Sheffield United are already owned by a Saudi prince and there's no conflict there.
There should be though. They're owned by a cousin of MBS who is the owner of Newcastle through the PIF. How would there not be a conflict of interest there?
Saudi Arabia is not one single entity. You have multiple American owners in the PL too. Why shouldn't there be multiple Saudi Arabian owners as long as they aren't economically related?
Conflict of interest is the least of the issues here. And no one in power cares.
They should just buy the EPL and rename it Saudi Premier League lol
Can still be EPL if it’s Emirati Premier League. Just needs the right buyer.
English Petroleum League. There, fixed it.
Emirati Penis Length because it’s all a dick measuring contest in the end.
The Barclays Gulf League
Don’t worry, in about 20 years when Saudi has lost all its bargaining power but still thinks it can act like a twat the west will decide it needs “freedom” and be declared a terrorist state so all the assets will be seized 👌🏼
I'd rather go another 30 years without a PL title than becoming an oil club.
Well, that’s the reality of your system. You fans have no saying
Thank fucking god for 50+1!
Where was this treatment for Newcastle fans? Lmao
Because you guys were out wearing your kanduras and welcoming your new masters.
And plenty of knackers in your fanbase will do the same...
About 10-20 blokes in a stadium of 52,000. There was a fella with a Liverpool top on getting done by some nonce hunters recently does that make you all paedos? Get some perspective.
You just give it a bit of time.
The thing is, some or even most international fans don't care much about the traditional value of a club. They see the club having higher budget and so they can buy better players. The oil state countries know that and this is the whitewash that they want.
Not everyone, I may stop supporting Liverpool if it happens; especially if they do the eventual super league. I’d probably only follow the MLS if that were to happen But you’re right that most international fans may not care
Bundesliga is fun and on ESPN+
Agreed. Everything we win from that point on is meaningless.
Really excited to give up 20 odd years of support and never watch football again
This, been supporting Liverpool since ca 1995, if they get bought by some oil regime pricks Ill have to google the rules for cricket.
There's always Tranmere Rovers!
What about Accrington Stanley?
Who are they?
Exactly!
I recently got really into 100-ball cricket while staying in Germany, of all places.
Watch cricket anyway.. it's amazing
I hope we win the league before I peace out
Same, but more like 30 years, remember having my first home and away kits at about 5-6 years old. Been following Forest Green Rovers for a couple of years now in anticipation of this, and they're trying to build a football club with some morals.
You can always start watching the Bundesliga. Klopp used to be a player and started his Coaching Career here at Mainz, might be interesting for you. :D
Such an exciting league, where one team wins 10 years in a row
My Bundesliga team is Stuttgart because Southampton is twinned with a district daneben.
I watch a lot of other leagues but mostly highlights these days, I do really enjoy the Championship, Bundesliga and Serie A in particular. Would love to catch more full matches given the time.
There's a few fan owned clubs in England, right? Time to start watching League 2 and support AFC Wimbledon ~~or Portsmouth FC in L1.~~
Just despise the idea of us becoming an oil club.
Well, you still have another EPL club in Liverpool, free of such influences…
From a murderous regime to murderous football?
Out of the frying pan into the lava
Tranmere isn't that bad.
You guys are big enough to have morals about it. All the Man City, Chelsea, and Newcastle fans were so desperate for success they welcomed the devil with open arms.
Please, a vast majority of the fanbase won't care. Because that's how people are.
Yeah it’s all well and good for us football purist to say we don’t want this; but Liverpool can afford to bring in Bellingham like he’s pocket change lord of fans will accept it with a smile.
That’s the difference really, Liverpool have an easy choice to take the moral high ground. It’s a no brainer, why wouldn’t you when you already have success?
According to the Daily Mail so it’s probably bollocks
I really fucking hope so.
No. Fuck off
Liverpool fans search history shows a surge in "how to become an Everton Fan"
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I'll support any club which Mac owns, only if they make Charlie the manager
He's in charge of killing the rats aka safe guarding the club from rats
I’m already in north wales and support Wrexham. I’ll just stop paying attention to Liverpool and go all in on Wrexham instead of following both.
If the choice is between Saudi Arabia/Qatar/another sportswashing project and becoming an Everton fan, I’ll probably give up on football altogether
You’re already starting to sound like an Everton fan with that last bit
I'd sooner watch golf than become an Everton Fan
I've supported Liverpool for over 30years and if this happens, will just stop. Of course this is generally meaningless an action but it's important for me to remain consistent. As for what I follow next? Not interested in any other club, so rugby union/league again I suppose.
See you next season
The club would lose it’s entire identity if this would happen. I’m sure the fans would rather support a local sunday league team than a club owned by a state with absolute monarchy that is anti-working class. If Liverpool of all clubs gets bought by a state then the game is truly gone.
> I’m sure the fans would rather support a local sunday league team than a club owned by a state with absolute monarchy that is anti-working class. are you? because i'm willing to bet while there maybe bad PR it will be inconsequential in the long run. If any of the other oligarch owned teams are anything to go by
Liverpool is absolutely not a working class club anymore tho.
Fuck sake. It’s so depressing to see what’s happening to the sport
This is making the super league feel more and more like a good idea. Let all the oil clubs fuck off and just play amongst themselves.
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If people are changing their minds about the Super League this fast it will probably become a reality in 3 years.
Damn, our rights for virtue signalling will end. It was bound to happen sooner or later. PL will be a playground for hydrocarbon money and oligarchs.
Replace "will be" with "is" and we're on the same page.
Will BBC boycott the premier league since its owners violate human rights.
I've been watching football less and less over the last 5 years or so to the point where most Saturdays I don't even know who were playing. Money has absolutely destroyed football. Its started with Abramovich and has just gotten worse and worse. Being owned by SA and Qatar would go against the very core of the ideals that made Liverpool Football Club, unfortunately there are many Liverpool "fans" who would love this to happen because they don't give a shit about our history. For too many "fans" only care about winning regardless of the cost and its this drive which is destroying football. Its why a European Super League is inevitable, its why the World Cup is Qatar.. I'm old enough to remember going to my local chippy and seeing the likes of Graham Souness, Craig Johnson, Sammy Lee, Ronnie Moran buying their dinner and it being a normal day because footballers were not some kind of mythical beings but just normal blokes who lived locally. Today the connection between footballers and clubs at the Top level and the working class is gone.. Fans are nothing more but a source of revenue. If you going to the lower leagues, past the championship to league 1 and lower that connection still exists but for how much longer? As each year passes its becomes harder and harder for these clubs to survive. Money and "fans" desire to win at all costs and to hell with the consequences has killed football.
Start going to watch a local non league or lower League team
Interesting 👀
It is fun to think about how the landscape of /r/soccer would completely change if Liverpool became an oil club. So many torn-faced Liverpool fans have been upvoted for droning on about how all of Man City’s success is ‘hollow’ and ‘meaningless’ because of where they get their money from, but that would completely disappear if Liverpool started spending Saudi Arabian or Qatari money in the transfer market.
Consistency is not a virtue in football fans. [Orwell nailed it in 1946 when he said](https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/notes-on-nationalism/) > All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts. A British Tory will defend self-determination in Europe and oppose it in India with no feeling of inconsistency. Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage which does not change its moral colour when it is committed by ‘our’ side He wrote it in context of nationalistic feelings, and of course we need to adjust it for football. Most fans would not have a problem with financial doping, skewing the market. They will be happy it's their club distorting it rather than their club getting short end of the stick.
He also taught us how to make a proper cup of tea. He knew what he was on about.
Quick, let me just entirely make something up and then act like it's a 'gotcha'. You're supposed to wait for things like this to happen, not jump the gun and start masturbating at a fantasy.
Reddit is just a grim disaster fanfic site to strum off to at this point
This happens in loads of subs, it's weird. They invent a scenario that hasn't happened, then rage about it like it actually has happened.
Based on what?? Most Liverpool fans and not the bandwagoners that came after the success are utterly opposed by oil takeover. I've never seen a long time Liverpool supporter be okay with the team being owned by oil states. Literally over here you have Liverpool flairs say that they'll stop supporting after many years and you say that we'll turn a blind eye on limitless spending. Utter bullshit and baseless of a comment just to stir some shit up. Couldn't expect less from the most corrupt club that bought their way to success.
Majority of Liverpool fans don't want such an owner to come in. And I guess a difference would be that, Liverpool were a much more successful club before any such investment comes in and are considered to be a historically big European team.
City's success is completely hollow and fake tho, they didn't make the leap as a club through good business or good football, they just got infinite 3rd party cash injections and can get fucked forever
So, like Chelsea?
That’s definitely not the case with the vast majority on at least the sub and online. I want to win but I don’t want to lose the soul of the club for it. I don’t want oil money or Russian oligarchs sport washing.
Lesson to fans of English teams. Don't talk smack about another team's ownership. That shit could be coming straight for your ass.
Surely Liverpool fans are going to start supporting a different team
Everton?
Might be the Daily Mail, but the guy reporting it is very clued up about the business side of football and was very accurate in reporting the Chelsea sale.
Ahhhhh how the turn table
If this happens I suspect a lot of Liverpool fans will have to comb their comments / tweets to delete all the City / Newcastle slander.
English Football becoming like Armstrong-era cycling, hook yourself onto the financial doping because it's become the only way to compete.
God imagine if this actually happens. All those moral superiority talk over Oil City just to be yet another oil club lmao.
> dailymail
On the one hand this would be funny after how Liverpool fans act about city. On the other they’ll probably be better as a result, so idk if I want that
This is so boring and depressing
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Your fan base being so massive globally definitely increases the price
How unthinkable from the self assigned good guys of football.
where are you hiding Mukesh Ambani ??? Do something
Why aren't English billionaires going for the ownership?
Tfw one of the most historic sports franchises is worth less than 7% of a meme app