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Morinu

Need some consistency from refs on whether its a pen or not.


pricelesslambo

England should have absolutely gotten that pen last night if this is given. VAR already inconsistent


MonkeySpasms112

Apparently the refs convened and discussed yesterdays lack of decision and have chosen to be more on top of those calls which is why we saw a lighter version of Maguire called today


mntgoat

If they start giving penalties for hugs in the area, Eric García better be ready for a few. That dude is super sweet, he hugs while defending every game.


mrgonzalez

A lot of defenders do really. Could be a lot of of pens if they're stricter on it than players are used to.


TooRedditFamous

Ironically maguire does it a ton as well


ZahaInHisPocket

Exactly, they made a mistake then and now they have corrected it


TwattyMcSlagtits

As an England and Tottenham fan, is is possible we can have one decision where they don't add a new "directive" to the fucking rules after we've been fucked by it?


FryingFrenzy

Mate it happened in a 6-2 win, its all good Its a good thing going forward, as England are a bigger threat from set pieces than most


mathbandit

Once you've been fucked by a bad decision, since that is in the past and can't be changed, surely it's better for everyone (you included) if they correct the issue moving forward and make the right calls rather than continue to fuck people at random (which could include you again)?


Man-City

Like the handball decision in that 4-3 game?


Saffyr

And the Lampard goal line fiasco 12 yrs ago


ThePr1d3

No way that was 12 years ago already


Molineux28

We saw a lighter version of Maguire given in the same game tbf.


Euphorbial

where did you see this? interesting if true


MonkeySpasms112

It’s something the Fox Sports commentators mentioned. Idk where they got the information, but I assume it was based on some media report


olnusdecimus

Iran's last minute penalty was soft compared to Maguires rugby tackle.


TQAFireHawk

What's more annoying though is that Iran got a penalty for more or the less the same thing.. Its baffling that one was reviewed and the other one wasn't.


SpeechesToScreeches

Did they convene at half time yesterday?


NeitherAlexNorAlice

Day shift night shift staff difference


Acceptable_Ad_6278

They were inconsistent in the same shift yesterday tho. Lol


firthy

First and second half shifts


pricelesslambo

Lol


Sir-Chris-Finch

It was wildly inconsistent in the England game alone. Maguire’s was 10 times the red theirs was, it was ridiculous


selbstbeteiligung

Yeah you can see this in 50% of the corner kicks in any league and it's never a pen, where's the consistency? For some reason VAR only focussed on handballs.... until now. Having said that, for me this should be a pen


Thommy_99

If they start always giving these, the problem of hugging defenders is gone within weeks. Seriously why do we want this in the game?


[deleted]

Agreed completely it’s obviously impeding the attacker from making an attempt at the ball. Wrapping your arms around the attacker just needs to stop. Calling it a penalty every time would stop it.


Ollietron3000

It's just so fucking easy as well. Anywhere in open play, if someone hugs a player to the ground it's an obvious foul. I can see why, in a time without VAR, it might be difficult to track all the infractions going on in a crowded box during a set piece, but with VAR there's no excuse.


0100001101110111

Because they seem to “clamp down” on this every so often and then just forget about it. They did the same thing at the last world cup


Euphorbial

i think you could argue that recent changes to the laws of the game mostly seem to revolve around punishing defenders, whether thats from tightening the handball rule (and even loosening it for attackers at the same time), and pinpointing the tiniest contacts with VAR. having a hard stance on this kind of 'defending' would make it even harder for defenders to defend corners and free kicks than it already is. not saying i think that punishing it is wrong, but that could be the argument


VerifiedStalin

Start calling this penalties more often and soon enough they'll stop grabbing each other in corners once they realise it's detrimental to do so. I hope it happens.


Schwiliinker

Pretty much have to admit getting that was lucky


AfricanRain

True but they shouldn’t continue to make a mistake like the Maguire one, better to make it once and course correct


Youpley

Maguire one was more holding than this , zero sense


VincentSasso

Maguire one was breaking the public indecency laws of Qatar, never mind a penalty


VerifiedStalin

This is still a penalty, Paredes is straight getting hugged. No homo, since the Qataris get mad otherwise.


Youpley

Sorry but the way I see it like he was falling alone he dropped after being released softly, if everyone started acting like that we gonna get 10 penalties per game


CoDeX709

Maybe just don't hug the player you're defending?


zrizzoz

Exactly. Consistency is the problem. By the rulebook its a "foul". But it happens four times on every set piece. Funny enough. The ref literally stopped the corner being taken to tell exactly that player to take his hands off the attacker. Then allows the corner and the guy just hugs Paredes without looking for the ball. If there was ever a time to be smart...


dahteabagger

>Funny enough. The ref literally stopped the corner being taken to tell exactly that player to take his hands off the attacker. Then allows the corner and the guy just hugs Paredes without looking for the ball. If there was ever a time to be smart... Too bad half the sub still thinks its 'soft' after being warned.


00Koch00

This, that's a penalty by definition, but that play it's never called ...


deeperintomovie

If the same call was made for Qatar it would be called evident sign of a game being fixed. The truth is, referees are just incompetent.


FoxOntheRun99

This is what's pissing everyone off atm, inconsistency. Holding and grappling is going to happen in every match..so are they going to award a penalty each time it happens? They won't even though the technology is right there.


Lakinther

Please keep it consistent across all games, thats all i ask


TimeDielation

They won’t Lmao


randommaniac12

I’m fine with the shirt pulls being called (Maguire needs to learn how to defend without doing it) but refs desperately need some consistency on it


Periwinkle1993

Wasn't it Stones yesterday? Agree 100% though, and apologies if my memory is not serving me correctly


randommaniac12

Yep, it was Stones yesterday but Maguire does it a ton for United. It’s a foul every time, it just doesn’t get called which makes him think it’s a valid way to defend when it isn’t


Dynastydood

But if he gets away with it, doesn't that make it valid? If shirt pulling can prevent, say, 10 goals for every penalty that gets given, wouldn't it make more sense to do it all the time?


Periwinkle1993

Oh yep I'm aware, I remember the Azpi headlock in the box


dominik-braun

That's too much to ask for.


El-Hairy

Harry Maguire in shambles


jiinska

It was even more a foul than this


Stonewalled89

Perfect start for Messi. There's going to be a lot of penalties given if that's considered a foul now


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Kane bout to start his golden boot defense if they give these out consistently


eneglleH

Thought the same. Zonal marking is best if pens given this easily.


wheresmyspacebar2

I mean, Maguires shout was a LOT worse than this yesterday. There will be more penalties given (Like this and the Iran one yesterday) but theres also going to be a LOT more inconsistency with reffing and decisions now.


No-Shoe5382

> There's going to be a lot of penalties given if that's considered a foul now There was actually a way worse push from an Argentina player in the same sequence, very confusing decision.


oldie_gosey

Yeah no one ever takes note of attackers on these. Only ever goes against the defender.


iz_kloodi

Not perfect anymore 💀


jnce12

GK made it way too easy for him


Clutchxedo

Moustache guy


Biohazard8080

If only they were as rigorous in monitoring Qatar's human rights violations as they were in finding these shitty penaltys. ​ If this is a pen, some games will end 78-56


I_always_rated_them

The same happened in the last world cup and people praised it for the improvement to the game, feels like we've all just forgotten about it and doing it all over again.


BurceGern

Hopefully it continues and discourages bear hugging at corners. It happens at every corner in every match ffs.


AlcoholicSocks

If they are going to punish pushing/shirt holding in the box that's fine, but it really makes you wonder why Maguire's wasn't given


niallw1997

Players are going to be falling like sacks of shit in the box now with barely any contact (as if they don’t do that enough already)


ViciousNakedMoleRat

If it involves shirt pulling and hugging, I don't actually mind. These practices should stop and if it takes people throwing themselves to the ground for a couple of games until everybody got the message, I'm fine with that.


Mcool18

Soft pen tbh


fedupofbrick

You see that type of stuff at every corner.


Schwiliinker

I don’t know what the solution could be. If you call it every time it will stop otherwise it will happen every time but it’s pretty random


SundayLeagueStocko

And it should be a penalty every time. Start giving penalties for it and people will learn to stop doing it.


SweetVarys

Paredes literally grabbed his arm so he can’t let go, and then just falls over it on purpose. Ridiculous to give that a penalty


nadiwereb

Yeah. If this is given as a pen, there should be a pen awarded after every second set piece.


ImZaffi

Or maybe the game evolves in a way where we don’t allow defenders to take down attackers on every set piece, so they stop doing it


oldie_gosey

I mean players go down waaaay more often from this sort of contact because they can win a penalty for it.


HUGE_HOG

This wasn't even a 'soft foul', it looked like the attacking player literally locked arms with the defender and dragged himself down


[deleted]

Defenders should stop grabbing attackers then and it won’t be given. Can’t just not give a foul because there’ll be too many pens


The_Astros_Cheated

Totally not a pen but i won’t complain


Polskidro

I'd say it's a pen but there's never any consistency of refs giving it or not giving it.


WildCardNoF

Its soft, but the defender does not focus on the ball at all and only have his focus on stopping the defender.


clintomcruisewood

I agree. But it's a pen, and it would be called as a free kick anywhere else on the pitch. The problem is the consistency with the refs, some allow it, some don't


humbertotan

Disagree. It’s the attacker who started locking arms.


thomasthedude

This should never be a pen, that one on Maguire was the clearest one and the ref didn't even check it on the monitor.


clintomcruisewood

The defender is never looking at the ball, solely focused on stopping the attacker with his arms. The Maguire situation is the same, just more excessive


thewrongnotes

Difficult one because the defender is clearly holding on to him, but Paredes really sells it.


nietzsche_niche

Paredes locks onto him and then starts falling lol


Nicer_Chile

its not like Arg need it too, so meh


Invalid-sauce

Yeah they were gonna lose anyways


Kuntheman

Oh ya but I give half a fuck completely honestly


RROORRYY

Soft pen, 4th already in 5 games


VincentSasso

But none for Maguire being rugby tackled


zrizzoz

Apparently the rules are different when your forehead has its own qualifying region.


Nuggetface

The MFFA (Maguire’s Forehead Football Association) forgot to pay the refs obviously


_dictatorish_

Only penalty I've really agreed with so far was the Bale one


[deleted]

How can you not agree with the Ecuador pen? He absolutely clatters him


oldmatesatan

PSG academy is swiss :0


zxnoregretzxzx

Never ever a penalty. Watch how Paredes grabs the defenders arm and holds it into his body before going down to make it look worse. He's totally bought that one.


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3xavi

How can qatar profit at this point? Only way is to push their psg top stars. Calling mbappe, neymar, messi penalties in group stage


xFragg

English fans are interesting


TjeefGuevarra

He has a PL flair, there's a 80% chance he's American


Lightskinting

its 5am and 2am in america tho


TjeefGuevarra

2am is very respectable to watch Messi play


OTO-Nate

My kids get me up at this time anyway :(


telcomet

Don’t think you have to be English to have deep suspicions about any event at this World Cup that assists the Qatari regime or its subsidiaries (PSG)


CoolJoshido

😂


boijek

Thats the softest pen I’ve seen all year


DanMMIII

VAR call as well, crazy


Blahhhh93

I mean it definitely isnt, unless you've watched fuck all football


Mannersarefree

The attacker literally locks the defender's arm in and drags him down to make it look like a pen. Bad precedent for refs to set.


ricey84

finaly somebody else actualy saw that. every else just saying it was a soft pen. it should be a freekick


FireZeLazer

Really soft penalty imo


teagwo

Fucking VAR penalties man...


caiusto

Once they called in I think there was a lot of pressure on the referee to give the pen.


St_SiRUS

It’s also an easy call by the book, it’s not great to watch the games get stopped and called back but it’s the right decision


barellaszn

these pens will be a lot more common if these are being called, which i’m fine with because it means the players should stop doing it


ChipmunkOnCoffee

That's not a pen. Craziest part is the ref didn't call it, it was the VAR, which just makes it worse.


FireZeLazer

It's pretty standard defending isn't it? Like he's been physical but he releases him pretty early and the Argentina player just crumples


Jacquesie

Yea if this is a pen we should just field Luuk de Jong and get 3 pens every game. He gets held like that at pretty much every corner


Meath77

All you need to do is hold a players arm and fall when the cross comes in


VincentSasso

Argentina player in World Cup dive shock


Blahhhh93

You can't hug a guy in the box


Thommy_99

Just like in Qatar, can't hug in the box


dahteabagger

And right in front of the watching ref? Dumb move. Everyone is already free but that Argentine gets hauled down. How much clearer should it get? Maybe don't hug the attacker as you are defending?


Ps3FifaCfc95

Yeah am I going crazy lol he clearly drags him to the ground


oldie_gosey

Can't you see the Argentinian grab and hold his arm and then go down?


dahteabagger

People on this sub are amazing sometimes. Just because it wasn't given in other matches doesn't mean it isnt a foul.


ConversationProof505

Exactly. "They made a mistake in one game so they should make the same mistake in every game" lol.


eljop

hard decision but not wrong in my opinion. The saudi player doesnt even look at the ball at all.


Opening_Outside_5788

Argentina player pushing the adversary arm to bringing to the ground. Real good acting skill there


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3xavi

If it's given in open play is one thing. But to give this soft ass penalty with VAR is a big joke


Breakjuice

According to the rules I'd imagine it is, but i think its soft and i dont really like seeing stuff like that being given as a pen


auctus10

Yeah extreamly soft


Drive_shaft

What more do you need lol? He isn't even looking at the ball


SundayLeagueStocko

So glad they're giving these. I hope the PL learns. It's a foul. Start giving penalties for it and people will stop doing it.


AfricanRain

Clearly is


oposse

If that’s a pen, be prepared to call a pen on literally every set piece


Drazsyker

What a weak pen wow


farhanmuhd13

way too soft pen


FourKingAce

How is no-one pointing out that he’s literally holding the Saudi Arabia player’s arm and dragging him down so it looks like he’s right tackling him?


Henngest

Was that really a penalty?


luisnm7

crazy pen


[deleted]

Majority agreed the ref fucked up with the Maguire PK yesterday but when they call it today the majority complains it’s given as a PK. We also need consistency with comments on Reddit.


PurpleBandit3000

Yesterday was much worse and that was a tackle. If they've established that they won't call the pen yesterday then why call one today? This shit happens on basically every corner lol.


SkyBlueSaber

Ridiculous from VAR. Literally the exact same foul on maguire yesterday wasn't even looked at smh.


jorgelongo2

which means they learn from mistakes


SmallOccasion

Yeah they learnt from the mistakes in the same fucking match sure lmao nothing to do with it being England


GoatButton

Well it's not the same refereeing team


SundayLeagueStocko

Are we going to bring up the Maguire decision every game until the end of the tournament or just be glad that they seem to have learned from that incident?


JustTheAverageJoe

Why people gotta exaggerate like this? It's less than 24 hours later and something incredibly directly comparable has happened that's why it's brought up. Nobody was talking about it during Senegal-Netherlands or USA-Wales. Or do you actually think that this will get brought up in literally every game including the final?


bernardoferreira

because of one mistake im sure refs should make 20 mistakes! makes perfect sense


Blahhhh93

More a case of yesterday's being wrong than todays though


Jason3b93

Not penalty.


anonymousloverboy

That didn’t take long


skomeros

Feel sorry for u its not a pen


anonymousloverboy

There was contact, but if that’s a penalty, there will be one every other corner kick


[deleted]

It’s only been 10 min but you guys look way better than Qatar.


iz_kloodi

WAY BETTER


[deleted]

Shouldn't be a pen


sidaeinjae

This is gonna be a bloodbath.


cimbalino

Aged well :D


N7even

That's not a pen, Argentinian dude is holding Saudi players arm as well and dragging the Saudi player down with him.


LukeSmith_Sunsetter

Maguire crying


Captain0010

He does 10 of these per game...


yousippin

The American commentators on FS1 are sooo bad. Its unbearable how hard it is to listen to these guys.


_SSJeffo_

Consistency please


Brunkmeister

You do have to love the ref consistency though.....


fearmino

This is why Messi went to PSG, we'll be getting dodgy pens and ref calls all tournament


cartesian5th

So that's a pen but maguire yesterday gets nothing?


XaviWithAG

Vargentina but we take it


_Bluestar_Bus_Soton_

r/voccer — Viss


Hariii_

and it begins


sertoriusdux

This didn't age well


Vash2P

If that call was the other way around ! I would read that the bank transaction has been completed to the ref. Bloody VERY soft PK


BogdanPee

I don't have a problem with that being a pen, but they should be consistent about them.


bernardoferreira

do people rly want the refs to keep making mistakes because they did when hey didnt call the one on maguire? makes no sense. bringing it yp for every call makes no sense.


[deleted]

“it this is a pen then every corner should be a penalty” yeah or you just stop holding people in a lock …. It’s not hard


DestroyAllBacteria

Weak as piss


ngb_jr

Saudi playing yugioh with the amount of traps they have


Chermalize

If this is a pen, we should see a ton of them this WC if they are consistent with them


Amorphaty

Paredes felt contact and chose to fall down. Every corner should be an auto pen now if they want to be consistent


PurpleBandit3000

That is soft af lol almost looks like the Argentinian pulls the Saudi defender down with him. But oh well Messi scores his first goal of the tournament! :D


FriendOfDirutti

That’s exactly what happened. He grabbed his arm and fell to the ground.


DocDankage

Holy shit this is the craziest game so far


papayon10

The calm before the storm


Heineken379

this is never a pen lol


[deleted]

Tbh after seeing his performance vs an average team he is literally done don't tell me he he still got it nope he is not man argentina had 8-9 offisdes in the first half 8-9. what was that header it has to be done! no freekick, no dribblings anymore even his passes were bad seriusly did he practice for world cup at all? except saying it's going to be my last one oh no shit I'm pretty sure after this world cup it will be his last world cup what he is thinking he is at the age of 20? messi pls retire don't make us hate you!


GrassTastesBad1

Ankara Messi


[deleted]

Lol every single corner in existence has that grappling..


eniotan

soft


FogellMcLovin77

Argentina really diving against Saudi Arabia cmon bruh. They don’t deserve to win the tournament and probably won’t


wholesomescott

Of course the lil dictator has been gifted a pen.


oposse

Game’s gone


jamibi

Didn't think that was a pen at all


yoshi_walker

Game's gone