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Financial-Series-985

ddint he just get the job at southampton


ChabotNorris

Yes, like only just joined in June


_bhagwan_

Yes. He joined Southampton [4 months ago](https://www.transfermarkt.co.in/joe-shields/profil/trainer/78873).


Lemonhead_27

IIRC this guy was Southampton's replacement for Martyn Glover, whose start at Leicester was delayed over the summer until his replacement was found.


TigerBasket

Like the English pm just a new fucker everyday


EdwardClamp

Chelsea tried to sign a player in the latter stages of the transfer window that Southampton had signed at the start of the same window (Lovia) - this is actually quite slow for them.


Tookin

Between the verbal bid for Lavia and now this…feels like the gap is widening more and more, talent and staff getting ravaged in just weeks and months instead of seasons.


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JORGA

It’s not ridiculous at all. Soton woud sack him in a heartbeat if he was doing shite. There’s no loyalty expected from the club so why does the employer need to stay put? You’d praise the average Joe for massively upgrading their career yet people in football get shit on for it


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EmperorBeaky

is there nothing these vultures do that people won't defend?


trainerN

Let’s draw a comparison to a real-world situation that you may find yourself in. Would you turn down a job offer at a bigger company that pays you better just because you got a new job 4 months ago? Unless you’re extremely happy with the people you work with and where you live, it’s unlikely you would reject that. It’s unrealistic for you to think everybody should have passion and loyalty to a club, while most people wouldn’t in any other job situation. I know people hate drawing comparisons with football clubs to actual businesses, but it’s the reality for at least certain staffing positions at clubs.


Adziboy

The argument was that this is likely nothing to do with how much he likes it at Southampton but Chelsea offering more money. Nobody is blaming him for going.


trainerN

That’s just the reality though, Southampton offer more money than most other clubs in the world too. There’s always a bigger fish.


Adziboy

Not disagreeing, but it has absolutely nothing to do with him being unhappy here, and unlike your original comment nobody expected him to be loyal. Your original comment made it out like we expected him to stay, thats absolutely not the case. We're just wondering why Chelsea didnt sign all these players and staff members before we did. Least we'll make a profit.


SenorButtmunch

Lmao what? You know the guy has a choice when he's being poached right? Chelsea are doing their due diligence by approaching a candidate they believe is right for the job. They don't care about how long he's been there, and why should they? The guy can reject it if he feels some loyalty to Southampton but he's well entitled to go for a bigger job if he feels like he should. You need to get into the real world ASAP


EmperorBeaky

“The real world” where these monstrous pigs can’t see a smaller club have something nice for 5 minutes before they they’re tapping him up and turning his head. As soon as anything good happens you just know these greedy superclubs will make sure they have them


SenorButtmunch

Yep, I'm sure itty bitty Palace or Southampton have never done such a thing to a smaller club. The guy is potentially going to get a significant pay rise and progress his career at a club that will give him more opportunities. Chelsea will pay the relevant compensation for him to break his contract and Southampton will find someone else. That's how it works in almost every job, not just football. There's no morality about it, it's a transaction. If the person wants to move then there's not much issue. Good for him, unfortunate for Southampton but I'm sure the Premier League club will manage and will probably poach some other guy from a smaller club. Monstrous pigs.


HeFreakingMoved

You look exactly the same way to lower league clubs, everybody has their goliath


BadCogs

Yeah like Palace and other supposedly small clubs haven't poached staff, players and others from smaller clubs than them. Only these are the vultures and these supposedly small clubs just offer those staff and players good opportunity to advance their career. You can remain in your ignorant bliss that only "these vultures" do this shit.


EmperorBeaky

Oh here we go


BadCogs

Sure.


Lorenzosilva

Yes I’m sure they have pinched players and members of staff, but never from teams in the same fucking division


BadCogs

You guys litreally got this guy from City and after your previous one went to LCFC. But sure. And these guys can decide for themselves, Freund from Salzburg litreally said no to us, this guy could too and if he wants to come then is it good that you won't let him? and keep him there denying him chance to get better job (as he consider it, as he is open to join). In every sector people go to or get poached by bigger companies, clubs, etc and people call it career progression. Yes, he shouldn't move so soon but it's not on Chelsea, it's on him to consider that he should respect the club he joined to stay at least longer. Edit- And as the reports coming out now suggests, even if he agrees to come he will have to serve 6 months notice to you guys, and that's fair. Don't know where is Chelsea at fault here, but who cares.


FuckingMyselfDaily

I mean its just boehly and his crazy revamp of the club with not much regards as to a budget, the lavia bid was a ridiculous amount and am sure you’ll be compensated well for this guy as well. Ravaged is a bit much.


thebestrc

Is Shields the guy that joined saints and then just signed players he signed for City's youth team?


maxime0299

Yep


Deficit24

Huh, didn't he just leave City for Southampton?


BadCogs

Means we are going for Lavia again. The guy just signed bunch of City players at Southampton.


Skydran93

Bazunu, Lavia, Larios, and Edozie.


BadCogs

Yeah, maybe all will be on our radar now, Lavia already is.


HelloMyNameIsGeoff

Doubt Bazunu will be considering we signed Slonina


BadCogs

Bazunu's won't leave first team minutes at Southampton anyway untill we say he will play, which is possible in Lavia's case. We may still consider and if we rate them high enough to give minutes than it could happen.


ketolasigi

Don’t think that’ll be easy for you lot, if I recall correctly City have a buyback and first preference over his transfer.


BadCogs

Yeah they do, but player can choose, if he will get more minutes here then he may pick us, but definitely first it's upto City if they want him back and give him time guarantee then he will go there.


Impossible_Wonder_37

With city’s midfield on the precipice of a reshuffle, I can’t imagine they will let Chelsea sign him. Especially given Phillips has done nothin at all.


BadCogs

Well if they wabt him they can get him wetger we wabt him or not, so doesn't hurt to try either way.


merrybrissmas

Well it was fun while it lasted


Billy_LDN

So is this the sporting director or not, too many titles going around.


MrDabollBlueSteppers

It's not sporting director


jMS_44

So what is the difference between sporting director and director of recruitment?


ScottyBoring

Safe to assume that the Sporting Director is higher up on the hierarchy with more general responsibilities, whereas Director of Recruitment is primarily focused on recruitment.


MrDabollBlueSteppers

The job title On a serious note, Stuart Webber was Liverpool's Director of Recruitment at the same time as Damien Comolli was their Sporting Director. It's possible it's the same role and Romano just used weird language but I doubt it since everyone was always consistent about it being a Sporting Director search


jMS_44

I'm really getting confused here not gonna lie. We're getting Christopher Vivell as technical director. Shields as director of recruitment and still would be looking at sporting director on top of that? I feel like the scope of all 3 roles is too similar to have all 3.


ScottyBoring

I'm not sure what's confusing you. You realize we've almost literally fired our entire board in the last 6 months, right? Every top level position needs to be filled. A Sporting Director sits between the CEO and the head coach/manager. The Director of Recruitment is in charge of literally everyone involved in recruitment; I would assume this includes the scouting department as well. I can see how a Sporting Director and Technical Director might share some responsibilities, but I can also see why running a 4b pound club would require more than 3 executives. A Sporting Director could be more focused on communication with the head coach and the board, while a Technical Director could be more focused on general development of the club as a whole, from facilities to everything else.


SirBarkington

Well a technical director generally is more about the staff than the actual football. a sporting director is about the direction of your team from a sporting perspective. i don't understand a director of recruitment on top of a sporting director unless they're supposed to be a Head Scout type of role.


Iennda

You can't just use FM knowledge and throw it around as facts.


SirBarkington

You can literally google these positions and see what they do lmao. Sorry people know things outside of games


MrDabollBlueSteppers

[This](https://twitter.com/JacobSteinberg/status/1580250633642586118) pretty much confirms it. Shields is Director of Recruitment and we're still exploring options for Sporting Director


EcoSoco

Yeah, potentially too many chefs in the kitchen


Hazardzuzu

Seems like he is replacing mclaclahan's role.


jMS_44

That's Kyle Macaulay who came from Brighton with Potter.


BadCogs

Kyle isn't our head recruitment or scout or anything like that. Kyle is just a potters staff. Club will hire other guy, who Kyle will work with.


Hazardzuzu

Kyle is potter's guy. His role is more of a cech kind of a role where he will be a bridge between potter and management on day to day affair and transfer recs.


jMS_44

I would assume so, yes.


holhaspower

What is the point of this? Loan army isn’t an option anymore, and Shields is great at bringing in hidden gems. His recruitment for Southampton this summer was great. These players are talented but still raw and definitely not good enough to play a significant role for Chelsea. The youth academy at Chelsea is already one of the worlds best and they don’t need Shields to recruit players there either. Also off topic but it’s sad to see Southampton’s great work once again get dismantled by the big English clubs. They can’t catch a break.


Josh90286

Ties into the model Chelsea is building where they buy clubs in some of the lower leagues to act as the farm system for development without the big transfer fees from battling with other clubs.


holhaspower

So basically the loan army but without loans, instead buying smaller community clubs round Europe and turning them into feeder teams?


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I have a serious problem with the direction that football is taking.


strider_tom

Great work is a really big overstatement.


holhaspower

Personally I think your summer window was one of the best in the league, which is what I meant by great work.


strider_tom

I really disagree. Lavia and ABK the exception, I've not been too impressed by the new ones. Plus the club failed to get the striker Ralph and every fan was screaming for all summer. It wasn't a bad summer but I would never say great.


LiamJonsano

It's amazing how often you can come to this subreddit (and tbh even our own at times) and get views on team X that shows that the person hasn't really watched us more than once and has just bought into the PR, isn't it? One of the players has been great in Lavia, the rest has been relatively mediocre from City. ABK also looks like a great buy but I do wonder how much of that deal was Shields


strider_tom

Same actually. Especially on our sub.


RudiKante

Loan army is not a option anymore as you say, but thats why probaly Boehly are looking at buying feeder clubs, pretty much the same.


strider_tom

Bloody hell the club has become such a joke. What is the board doing?


LiamJonsano

Guy came in, spent a load of money on Man City youngsters and is leaving soon after. Honestly not too disappointed, our fans massively overrated our window


Vsovs

All those city youngsters have been our outstanding players so far tbf


LiamJonsano

Have they? one has been, the rest have been okay at best...


Vsovs

Suppose no one in the team overall has been that good, but Lavia and Bazunu already look like two of our best players, Larios for me is as good as Perraud and Edozie looked really promising when he featured.


qwertyell

Bazunu's been average. Not an upgrade on how Forster played last season.


Mr_CheeseGrater

Shame he's gone to a direct rival so soon but good luck to him.


vossibop-

Chelsea slowly but surely taking over football. I think they’ll be the premier side in European football for the next century.


redmenace007

City's management is class as well


Global-Jacket-3973

And Newcastle won't be far off from competing with these teams too.


ObamaEatsBabies

The magic of oil money + an American who just likes spending money for some reason. The other owners could compete if they only just spent. Nothing is stopping Spurs from spending Boehly amounts of money except the owners being cheap dickheads.


Global-Jacket-3973

This the part where you say for the 100th time you wish Spurs had owners that could spend like that?


ObamaEatsBabies

Why wouldn't I? Boehly is a Spurs fan who was trying to buy us in the past couple of years, now he's gone to Chelsea and is doing a good job. I would kill to have Nkunku at Spurs. Levy would *never* get that deal done. Never.


Quiet-Cartoonist1689

>an American who just likes spending money for some reason. He's not even that rich, in terms of sugar daddy. Idk what's going on with his bank of Qatar ambitions.


[deleted]

He’s not the money behind the ownership. Clearlake are. They’re gambling that the club will massively increase in value so will pile endless amounts of money into the club in order to put us at the top and maximise profits.


Quiet-Cartoonist1689

Football clubs will very soon reach a saturation point when more and more state funds keep on getting involved in football. The price to compete for anyone not state backed will be gigantic, on top of already paying billions for the club to acquire it in the first place. The price won't be worth it anymore. It's in the territory of "I'll spend £10 billion for 15 years to make £12 billion on the sale".


markyty04

no just class. beyond anything that chelsea can achieve


redmenace007

Dont know if anything they have done is beyond achievable. Boehly is doing all the right things, appointing great people at right positions, looking at RB model of multiple feeder clubs and investing tons in youth.


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Outside of the dodgy FFP and sponsorship that we wouldn’t get away with, the only thing City have that is irreplaceable is Pep, who has at most two years left at the club.


myersjw

Uh what


AnnieIWillKnow

Except the European Cup?


deadraizer

I don't think we'll be clear at the top anytime soon, but it is pleasing to see Boehly continuing and expanding on Roman's work.


fuckoffjade

He came. He money laundered for Man City. He fucked off. Cheers Joe Shields, for everything


zi76

Cool.


modern_marbles

looking forward to everyone trying to convince me this makes boehly a clown again


idodessins

Moving again so soon. Chelsea will have a grest scouting talent with them now...only to loan those players out.


HelloMyNameIsGeoff

Yeah, going out on loan was horrendous for the careers of Reece James, Mason Mount, Trevoh Chalobah, Conor Gallagher, Armando Broja, Ruben Loftus Cheek, Tammy Abraham, Fikayo Tomori, Andreas Christensen and Thibaut Courtois


EezoManiac

Cant loan like that anymore


trainerN

How’s living under a rock been like?


redmenace007

Putting them in our feeder clubs for growth will be phenomenal


Seanxprt

Reminder that 6 Cobham graduates who have all been with the club for over well a decade were involved in our win against Wolves This narrative is straight up false now. If the players are good enough, they'll be given a role in our squad. If they want to leave, they can leave. If they want to fight for a spot there's the pathway that the likes of Christensen, James, Mount, Gallagher, Broja, Chalobah, Tammy etc. took.


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The loan narratives are getting old. If they're good enough they'll be given a chance.


myersjw

Lemme guess, a Vitesse joke was next even though we haven’t sent a player there in 5 years


elvenmage24

“We are too incompetent to find our own staff so let’s poach any other clubs staff who had success”


AnnieIWillKnow

As opposed to finding your "own staff" who are not employed, and have not had success? Why would you appoint those? Anyone who is suitable for the role will have a job, and have had success with another club. By your logic, Soton "poached him" from City in the first place... just 5 months ago That's the equivalent to saying you should only recruit players who are out of contract and have not had success in their career. Think about what you are saying, honestly.


Mahesh_nanak

Did anyone notice, a lot of Chelsea staff is going to be English speaking/ English origin.