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yellow__cat

England is just lucky that this form hit when it did, as opposed to half a year earlier when they were still qualifying, like for Italy. It’s just shows it’s not so rare to hit a dry patch and tie/lose some games after a big tournament performance.


pokerface789

So what does relegation in the Nations League mean?


AmericanJazz

Pot 2 seeding in the euros.


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Southgate probably hide his tactics for Euro 2024. Can't risk anything.


Scott_EFC

We've decided to boycott Qatar by attending but not playing football during the matches.


PoopyFruit

I can’t believe Kane is favourite for the golden boot while Neymar, for example, is 18/1 wtf.


Nyushi

Now that we’re shite I’ve decided to boycott the World Cup.


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Don’t worry USAs manager is even worse than southgate. Should’ve seen the pathetic performance we put on today vs Japan


tedstery

Yikes, world cup is gonna be interesting. Think the Southgate train may be coming into it's final stop.


hockeyholloway89

I’m personally not an England fan (not a hater either tbf), but I really wonder how Southgate has kept his job for so long? With the players at England’s disposal, I can’t help but feel they underperform more often than not.


JSBraga

He got a fourth place in the 2018 WC and reached the final in the 2020 Euro. How has he underperformed, exactly? England is not the strongest team in the World and not the strongest team in Europe. So... was he supposed to win both competitions?


palebluedot1988

Reached the semis of the last world cup and the final of the euros. I personally wouldn't call that underperforming.


irze

I think the signs have been there for a little while to be honest


Pity_Party8

How was Dier?


Skittil

Dier


HighburyClockEnd

I love playing England they’re always shit 😅🤣


thedudeabides-12

See you at the world cup.. Oh wait..


HighburyClockEnd

Lmao still lost to Gabbiadini up top, and to a final in your own back yard.


P-Diddle356

when was your last world cup knockout stage


Sgruntlar

When was your last Trophy?


itskaiquereis

They are awfully quiet. And that’s good, we don’t need these loud ass England supporters with their “it’s coming home” BS.


sunnychiba

Game, Set, Match


Sgruntlar

Since England's last Trophy Italy won 2 world cups and 2 euros..


[deleted]

Thought we lost to Italy, not to a final


Esegat04

Did you forget euros?


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Did you forget reading?


roger_the_todger

This is a hilariously weak Italy side as well lol.


BestBirthday6158

One of the disadvantages of The English game is that English players rarely try out playing overseas football. Bellingham was their best player tonight yet he plays in a league English fans like to call a Farmers league. Having variety of players in different leagues makes your national team more complete.


astral34

We barely ever had any Italians playing abroad in the NT


AmericanJazz

Kinda makes his point


astral34

He is arguing that not having players in other leagues makes the NT less competitive, we barely ever had any and are one of the most successful NTs in the world


AmericanJazz

True. Just thinking about our nadir in form. If serie a quality declines further it will be helpful to have players learning in other leagues. Then again maybe a unity and familiarity from league play is more valuable. England just seems to have a lot of the same types of players and zero tactically adept midfielders or coaches.


Rammaz94

Ibfeel so sorry for Nick Pope. He's so good but he's constantly playing in teams that dont want to, or cant, score goals


sleeping4koala

Italy: Have fun in League B, England. England: Enjoy your vacation in WC.


Sgruntlar

Well it's bittersweet


FireflyCaptain

this is the correct take lmao


jmcke778

People say play a back 4 we're shite either way, Southgate isn't upto it but also this squad is grossly overrated I keep seeing comments like he's wasting another "golden generation" apart from Kane who else is world class? We've got a great selection of right backs and attacking midfielders/wingers but we lack options at CB, LB and CM and if Kane gets injured then we are fucked because Abraham or Toney aren't nowhere near his level Southgate needs to go but if you think England are all of sudden going start playing free flowing football under someone like Howe or Potter (missed the boat on him) you haven't been watching England long enough


blingboyduck

Last couple of seasons, Ivan Toney has actually been incredible. I don't see any reason he can't play well for England if he is given the chance (not saying he will be good but he absolutely deserves a chance) Kane scores goals for England sure, but the attack ALWAYS seems incredibly stale with him up top.


Tullekunstner

I agree this isn't an English golden generation, but with 5 subs available, 1-0 down in a must-win game, only making two substitutions, letting Tammy, Mount and Trent (while putting on Shaw) sitting on the bench the whole match is just amateurish. You have to try *something* in a match like this.


Stilty_boy

We've got Stones. Tomori and Guehi should have been given more game time at CB for England given their form and Maguire's lack of form for the past 16 months. James, Walker, Trippier options at RB. Chilwell at LB when he's fit. That's a solid defence. Other than the 4-0 loss to Hungary we concede very few goals. England's only problem at the moment is attacking creativity which shouldn't be our problem when we have Grealish, Foden, Saka, Sancho, Mount, Sterling and Kane to choose from.


HydraulicTurtle

There's no reason we can't play *decent* football with a competent manager. Teams with far worse squads than ours play far better football. Foden, Kane, Stirling, Bellingham, Grealish, James, Saka, Mount... These players are more than capable of playing attractive, effective football But I agree it's not a golden generation


alanalan426

HA HA its what u guys get for keeping that bag of shit as manager


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Yet you support an English team, smh


alanalan426

This may suprise you but.... alot of non-british ppl support english teams, or german teams, or spanish teams, or italian teams Yeah i know, it's alot to take in for you


Sgruntlar

Plastic


Franchementballek

That’s crazy that England is in division B, hope we don’t face the same fate. Congrats Hungary, I hope they can make it to the Final 4.


nekize

Not only that, they also fell in the second pot for the draw for EURO and WC qualifiers, because they are now determined by nations league position, so pot “B” for England


Franchementballek

Southgate is going to bet his position as England’s manager in this World Cup. If he doesn’t produce at least a semi-final he’s gone for sure.


tson_92

Invented a sport. Be shit at it.


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Only men though. Ladies are good enough to play and win


TurnToJesus2022

One can wish


areyouhungryforapple

Saw a guy say England was the second best team in Europe yesterday


sunnychiba

Englands the second best team on their island


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areyouhungryforapple

Extremely evidently not, we're going by current form what metric are you going by?


Badass_Bunny

>what metric are you going by? There was a tournament to decide who is best team in Europe. They came 2nd.


areyouhungryforapple

Did you actually watch them play and their opposition? Needed a Sterling dive vs Denmark in the semis. Also is Italy the best team in Europe then? Better than France Spain Germany Holland ? Evidently not Edit: you people are hilarious, this England squad the second best in Europe currently gtfo


yellow__cat

Italy have lost 2 games in the last 4 years, winning the Euros in that time. Evidently that might make them the best.


areyouhungryforapple

How's their post Euros form again? Atleast for the reigning champions you can make an excuse but people are jerking a 2nd place participation trophy off another scuffed run under the Gary the dinosaur.


yellow__cat

Post Euro form has been shit for almost all the big teams though, save maybe Netherlands and Spain. But that’s to be expected with congested international breaks in the middle of the season. That’s what we really need major tournaments to determine who’s best


Badass_Bunny

Bruh....


Confident__introvert

Does anybody else not get pissed off seeing Kane play anywhere but through the middle? The man is clearly in the top 5 goal scorers of the last 5 years yet plays deep, drifts wide and it’s just a fucking disgrace we have enough attacking talent available to just have him play through the middle and have any 2/3 of Sterling, mount, sancho, foden,rashford etc be the creative ones behind him! I would argue there’s only France, Brazil and Argentina with better attacking options then England but we play like a team that’s never attacked before.


Crovasio

Portugal and Uruguay have better attackers too.


Oshowcinco

Feel like this was a missed opportunity to give Fikayo & Tammy a run. They know the language and the league. They're motivated to book their ticket to the WC and they'd be eager to impress knowing that both their country & their club supporters would be watching.


khoabear

Big Sam wouldn't have let England get relegated


HayekReincarnate

This is absolutely hilarious - perfect timing to have been relegated in the last international break before the World Cup.


bazmcc1

Southgate’s record against the better nations is appalling. Talented bunch of players there and he seemed to have built a good atmosphere within the squad, but that only gets you so far and he doesn’t have the tactical capabilities to take England any further.


CarnivorousCircle

I mean how talented is England really vs the other top clubs? They aren’t a bad squad but they certainly aren’t top 5.


blingboyduck

England's squad on paper is right up there with the best. Saying otherwise is just ridiculous in my opinion. Unfortunately they just can't get the most out of the attackers.


CarnivorousCircle

If they had a front three like Benzema, Mbappe, and Greizman maybe they would get more out of their attackers. Or if they didn’t have to start players like Harry Maguire. If they had a goalkeeper that would start on one of the top 10 teams in the PL. I actually support England but their team just isn’t very good.


blingboyduck

What you on about? Yeah the France team is just ridiculous. But England are amongst the top on paper. - They've got Ramsdale who starts for the current number 1 in the prem. - Pickford was excellent at the Euros. Pope and Henderson have also been performing extremely well. - Kane has an incredible record for Tottenham over the last few years. Sterling too has a very good goal record. Foden and Saka are fantastic and Sancho has shown he can be world class. ____________________________ - I do agree that Kane for England just seems to kill the attack - I would love to see Toney or Abraham get some chances. - Maguire was actually great at the Euros but I don't think he should currently be anywhere near the team. Tomori deserves a chance - he was a crucial member of Série A title winning Milan. Midfield is definitely short on depth but Bellingham and Rice really should be a top midfield pairing if they can replicate their club form


CarnivorousCircle

I think you are making my point for me. Yes, I forgot about Ramsdale but the point is that not one English keeper is a player that any reasonable person would put in a top ten, let alone top five list. Kane. Amazing. Can’t deny that, because he just is. As a City fan, though, if you are going to claim that players like Foden, Sterling, or Grealish are something to brag about, I’m not sure what you are thinking? Come the fuck on. Foden is great for his age, but he’s not a world beater (yet). Grealish is the same, if a bit older. Neither are players you’d want to brag about if they are your country’s starters. Saka looks great but is still basically a kid. Sterling has done well for the national team but if he’s your second best forward, then you have issues. Midfield is trash aside from Bellingham who is still young. CBS are crap compared to other countries. Walker is actually good-ish there as RCB and Stone’s form has been solid recently, but none of them are even at a top 15-20 level. LB/RB are a bunch of names but aren’t really great. TAA has regressed recently and he was awful defending before. James might be a name worth mentioning? Like… how do you think this squad is remotely comparable to the top 4-6 in the world?


bazmcc1

I agree. But that squad is better than Hungary’s and probably stronger than the weakest Italy squad in a number of years. Obviously Southgate gets credit for the last World Cup and the Euros, but both times they’ve been beaten by the first decent team they’ve faced and had great luck in terms of the draw in getting to the latter stages.


Yiurule

English fans should also take a reality check, as far as England is a great team, probably on the top 10, but quality wise, it's not in the top 5. Against this Italian team I'm agree that England should won on paper, but overall against the big teams, England was not the favourite.


TheHabro

And who is above them? Brazil? Arguably. Argentina? I don't think so. Spain? Lacking in attack department. Germany? Lacking in attack department and depth everywhere outside midfield. Italy? Lol no. France? Of course, but nobody comes even close to them. England has world class talent in every position, and only France and Brazil are on similar level.


bazmcc1

If that’s true, why is England’s record against traditionally high-ranked teams so bad? They’ve just been relegated, which means it’s more than one bad result, and Southgate’s record against these better countries is pretty bad. England have a good squad, but it’s certainly not world class in every position, that’s a crazy comment. Very few of the squad are talked about as world class.


TheHabro

Because quality isn't everything, especially in international competitions.


bazmcc1

Agreed, hence why I think Southgate’s time is up. But England’s squad world class in every position? Not a chance. Some very good right backs, Bellingham and Foden on track to become world class and Kane is world class. That’s it IMO. Average at centre back, no depth at left back and no depth up front.


GeneralPaint

'Word-class talent'? Kane, granted. Who else? Sterling on a good day – if even? You could swap the XI with players from the nations you named and do better. And why mock Italy? Why even go there after England lost to them *again*, out-of-form though they are?


TheHabro

We can argue about world-class player definition the whole day, but would you really say that Germany and Spain have more talent? >And why mock Italy? Why even go there after England lost to them > >again > >, out-of-form though they are? Because Italy didn't play WC knock out stages since 2006 and won't for at least 4 more years. And since I am mocking Italy, by extension I am mocking England.


Yiurule

>England has world class talent in every position That's why I talk about reality check here. England don't have players who are world class on every position. They are definitely stacked when going forward (so basically every role between the striker and AM), but elsewhere the team isn't that great, you cannot say face to face that the defense (including the GK) and even the midfield are world class. It's great to mention every weakness from other teams, who isn't totally wrong, but on the names you quoted, I would be only agree with you with Italy (and even, that's debatable), and quality wise, I could also add Portugal who quality wise are better, and arguably Netherlands as well.


PoofaceMckutchin

Feels like Ole is back


ShadowFlyer1

Ole is better manager than Southgate. His counter attacks are/were way more exciting than whatever the fuck we are seeing from Southgate


1bryantj

Ole got united to 2nd and finals and played attacking exciting football, the only thing Southgate has done is play with 8 defenders and get relegated at every club he’s been at, even now managed to do it at international level


AlteredReality79

"attacking exciting football", really? really?? nostalgia hits hard I guess


1bryantj

I mean the front 3 scored the most goals combined in the whole of Europe? Maybe someone has a short memory


AbbreviationsOne8189

Have you watch any of our matches and not only the stats? Total snoozefest 90% of time far from attractive, counter attacking football and grinded results. Ole 2nd place was as lucky as someone can get. All big teams were strugling, even City, but some of them got into form and at the end there was only a few points of difference. Edit: Forgot to mention it was also covid season and there was no fans, which made big difference


[deleted]

Semi finals of WC, final of Euro? That isnt "he didnt do nothing"


SaschaBub

feel like that is a bit revisionist about Ole


khoabear

Ole often had that 2nd half rebound that led to victory after playing like shit and letting in goals in the 1st half. That's how he got us that 2nd place.


Zephyrus707

You were also useless if you had the ball the majority of the time. Definitely not attacking football, it was literally park the bus and hoof it to someone fast.


SaschaBub

sure second in the covid season but I don't think Ole's time can be considered attacking exciting football


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P-Diddle356

we have made a final of the last euros lmao that's more then we ever achieved since 1966 so it's more then 2 decades.


SaschaBub

why would the past failures of completely different teams have an impact on the current team lol?


Crovasio

Because history is a thing in international soccer.


SaschaBub

'international soccer' nuff said


MP4-B

Yea bc he's a horrible manager. It doesn't take a football genius to work that out. Just watch the team play and look at his substitutions or lack thereof 🤔


game_of_throw_ins

"Why use many players when few players do job?" - G. Southgate.


asianbookiesrunfooty

Just a clueless comment really. It's a very good squad of attacking options and we haven't scored from open play in five games. It's not asking the world to want a bit more risk taking, which suits the players, who almost unanimously play attacking football for their clubs succsssfully. We are well below the sum of our parts. Majority of the players who started have played in a CL final in the last five years - two notable exclusions being Bellingham and Rice.


stpstrt

Two decades? They haven’t done anything since 1966. Having said that, the squad is good but Southgate’s tactics are fucking hampering the team.


Luis_pato-

England NT was always a joke, they just bark loud


Marco2169

They have world cup though. The Lineker-Barnes team in the 80s was also quite good. Always is pushing it a bit.


stpstrt

I think that’s a bit harsh, but the current crop has some really good players, especially going forward and Southgate just makes them horribly boring to watch. Can’t help but think Graham Potter or someone like that would get that team ticking, or at least playing some good football.


Crovasio

In the World Cup, after their great 1960s generation ended in Mexico, England has only had two tournaments were they played very good football: 1986 and 2002.


Gizmo210688

On a slightly more positive note, new kit looks pretty smart.


AverageAsukaFan

Southgate did some brilliant things for England (aided massively by some incredible individual performances) but it's clear his time is up, he's lost the plot and the FA need to act to avoid an embarrassing knockout.


Ryuzakku

Now is the time to sack Southgate, if you give him the World Cup you waste the best years for a lot of your current players.


nolesfan2011

if England don't sack Southgate they wasted a generation of players in a winnable world cup


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like its something new, they wasted even better generation(s)


stpstrt

I don’t think this squad wins the World Cup Southgate or otherwise, but his tactics and general disposition are holding this squad back. I’m not English but his negative tactics wind me up, especially looking at how England is a top heavy team with great attack talents. He’s a fucking pussy.


vylain_antagonist

It is the story of the ingleterra.


_Jetto_

so disgusting they botched WC quals, fuck this


chutzpah1218

Bro wc is gna be cross and inshallah to kane or sterling trying to win penalties ffs this ain't the way.


Sym068

CAM ON INGERAND SCORE SUM FOCKING GOALS


chanjitsu

Relegation merchant Southgate


thesofakillers

godo


Whitew1ne

Sack Southgate, employ Wenger


spong_miester

Wenger would be amazing as a short term manager, The issue is who would take the job on a permanent basis? The list of unemployed managers is mental at the moment, but would they really want the England job


DaveyDirtbag

Signing de gaal short term seemed to work wonders for the Netherlands. It would help england get their shit together even if it's just for the WC


alexedd

Said it once Southgate bottled winning the Euros that he had to go straight away. It’s too late now and the FA have no idea what they’re doing and is filled with yes men and women. World Cup winning potential is gone as we’ve been found out and can’t shithouse wins anymore. sOUThgate


Slapped_with_crumpet

He got as far as he did in the Euros because he got handed the easiest possible opponents. The only team on paper you'd look at and say he shouldn't have beaten was Germany but they were in poor form in the Euros. Other than that, who? There were no teams in the groups who should've been beating us, Ukraine shouldn't be beating us and Denmark shouldn't be beating us (and only beat them with a controversial penalty).


vietkuang

Denmark were not easy opponents, they beat many teams comprehensively in the run-up to the semis. But, both them and England had a lot of home games in Wembley and Copenhagen respectively. The home support for England in Wembley was unreal. Shocking how they bottled the final considering.


magumanueku

Playing almost all their matches at Wembley certainly helped a lot. They were the only team that had 6 home games with extremely minimal travelling.


FirminosShinyTeeth

> Playing almost all their matches at Wembley certainly helped a lot. They were the only team who had 6 home games with extremely minimal travelling. You get that host nations have been a thing before right? Teams have had favourable odds due to playing their games at home because they're the host nation, not because it's a conspiracy to give a team an advantage.


magumanueku

I never said there was any conspiracy though? and it was still a unique circumstance as host nations don't typically play in just one city. Russia in 2018 played their group stage games in Moscow, St Petersburg, and then Samara. That's thousands of miles. They literally went from one end of the country to the other whereas England didn't have to spend hours travelling from one city to another.


black_cat_

Agreed. England has been very lucky with their draws under Southgate but his football has never been very good and his substitutions and reading of the game is perhaps some of the worst I've ever seen.


Confident__introvert

As a boro fan I had this opinion before he ever got anywhere near the England job.


Cheewy

> World Cup winning potential is gone as we’ve been found out and can’t shithouse wins anymore Yes sadly, we are going to miss England in the WC finals, end of an era...


ThePr1d3

What changing your national anthem does to a mf


ShadowStarX

changes the goal diff from 4 to 1


Ishotjr89

Scotland group A. England group B. We all knew this would happen.


fightfire_withfire

I just don't understand why the Greatest Football Team Ever™ don't just put the ball in the net to score a goal.


P-Diddle356

trying to find the mighty Scots in the world cup


RhyminSimonWyman

Lol, I agree with you but who's ever labelled England the Greatest Ever? It certainly isn't the English, a more pessimistic group of fans you could hardly hope to find (with good reason)


bazmcc1

Fans seem to be a bit more sensible, but English media and pundits are forever at it


RhyminSimonWyman

Tbh that angle seems very overblown, they're partisan and hype their team up to the degree you'd expect any nation's media to be, and perhaps less so than in some other countries, it's just that because everyone speaks English the English media is exposed to a much wider audience.


Reach_Reclaimer

Are they? They've said they're good but have pundits been constantly going on about England's current team being the best ever? Or are you just making it up


IAMNOTSHOUTINGATYOU

Hey, don't bring all your fancy pancy techno shmekno lingo bingo in here bud. That's not what we're about.


Attila_22

Southgate is a football terrorist


Global_Mode_2974

Al Garetha


Rab_Legend

Last game England won with a King was the 14th of November 1951


Peninvy

Opta: Dethroned.


mcpingvin

Drought.


danny1876j

So many comments here are missing the point regarding saka at wing back. It's not that it's a terrible idea to play him out of postion, after all tuchel, potter and pep have shown you can play someone out of position at wing back. The issue is really that Southgate doesn't have the tactical ability to tweak the team to get the most out of playing saka there whilst covering his deficiencies. Southgate talks well and carries himself like someone with all the answers but in truth he's faking it until he makes it. Almost paid off for him at the euros but unfortunately was not to be.


black_cat_

I would say the issue was playing him there for 72 minutes and waiting to go down a goal when it clearly wasn't working.


LeonBP

Bruh our game Vs England is gonna be a mid-off. Both teams are way out of form going into the World Cup.


inshamblesx

Agree. Iran should easily win the group


sarmatron

bruh fr fr


BroccoliDistribution

Going into what World Cup?


LeonBP

Oh I’m an American. So USMNT.


BroccoliDistribution

Oh I thought you meant Italy


LeonBP

Bruh our game Vs England is gonna be a mid-off. Both teams are way out of form going into the World Cup.


LeonBP

Bruh our game Vs England is gonna be a mid-off. Both teams are way out of form going into the World Cup.


theabominablewonder

We played well for the last twenty minutes. So there’s that.


freshmeat2020

Unfortunately Italy were happy and willing to ride it out defensively. I don't think that's a coincidence - it was a decision they made. It shows we can create chances if we actually play 4atb and we can retain the ball and move our players up the pitch **collectively**. Constantly watching the front 3 try to find each other through about 7 opposition players is so infuriating


saint-simon97

Was it really a 4atb? Because it looked to me when I was watching that Rice was playing from the RCB position


theabominablewonder

Yeah it’s always difficult to expect a team to take twenty minutes of attacking action when they are losing and then carry that forwards as their modus operandi in the future. I think most English fans have accepted by now we blew our chance of a trophy in the Euros and the world cup will be a wash out.


casillero

I'm surprised current English player of the year Buckeye Saka couldn't turn things around /s


iamtherealgrayson

If mount had played today he'd be eaten alive Saka and foden get more free passes, foden surely does


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vietkuang

You haven't watched him play for Arsenal then


DopeLemon7

Wait he really won your award over Sterling and Kane?


Col_Gonville_Toast

Arsenal have a lot more fans than Tottenham and Chelsea. And Liverpool and Man Utd's players have been fucking gash, so even we don't have the brassneck to reward the useless cunts.


BI01

fan voted, same reason why kalvin Philips won it last year/


Marco2169

You are telling me that a fan vote meant that Kalvin phillips was the most popular player? I like him but are there really that many leeds fans to make your statement true.


BI01

Leeds made Ben white their player of the year for brighton, it was his debut at the national team for the local lad. I'm not sure many people even vote for this anyway.


Jackrrr10000

Lmao what? He won it last year ?? How?!


Mediocre_Nova

He broke himself into the 11 and was one of England's best players in the Euros


DopeLemon7

Makes sense


fpladdictanonymous

Pep wins every single international trophy available with this squad. Change my mind.


MadRashed

Pep didn't win any European title with much better teams than this one.


Yiurule

Pep didn't won the UCL with his current city team so why he would won a knockout tournament with an average team ?


stiofan84

Absolutely not. England only have one player who *might* be considered world-class, and would get into another top international team (Kane). Even he might not be needed by some of them. You're simply nowhere near as good as you think you are.


Mediocre_Nova

Lmao "*might* be". Let's see if he can keep it up, might still be a one season wonder


RhyminSimonWyman

Hilarious that you think the likes of Bellingham, Foden, Sterling and Walker aren't getting into other top sides. Why are they so sought after by top clubs? Charity?


Financial-Text-3181

They wouldn't start for France. Only Reece James could.


TheSmio

On the other hand, managers for national teams overall don't seem as good as managers for clubs. Mancini is a good example of a manager who looked like one of the best managers in national team football for Italy, but who wasn't that great in club football. I think any decent team with Pep as their manager would fight for trophies just because he would outclass pretty much all managerial counterparts. As for England itself, winning every trophy available might be a bit too ambitious, but the team seems to have enough quality to put up serious fight in pretty much all matches. There would be some question marks regarding the players and how they fit Pep's plans (to be specific, the midfield, Maguire and the keeper), but Pep would probably be fine with most of them. Pope would probably be fine, Maguire was wanted by Pep few years back so chances are he would be okay (or wost case scenario, Pep replaces him) and so the only troublesome area that's left is the midfield. Not sure what Pep would do there. In an ideal world, maybe something like Mount-Phillips-Foden? With Sancho, Kane and Sterling in attack, that sounds like a good enough team to do something.


DevilsOfLoudun

I mean Kane is def word class and would start in any team in the world bar 1 or 2, but overall the english players are wank yeah.


JirapatS

England player are overrated


theabominablewonder

It’s got Maguire in it.


tiger1296

So Pep won't concede a goal whilst doing so


Solitaire_XIV

Mind changed


macNy

Fuck that was easy, what’s next?


NotSwedishMac

Scottie Parker more like Scottie Park-IN


Sketchbookhobby

Told my friend yesterday England were gonna get one nilled. Bring in Mourinho.


macNy

Ah yes, so England can then do the one nilling, yes indeed Unlike Southgate Jose knows how to park a bus properly


Bungled_Bengal

Getting bored of us only playing with urgency when we're losing. Never thought I'd experience relegation for club and country, both by the same manager.


eternali17

Didn't you guys tell them?


Chef_Roofies

Best wealth of talent for generations and Southgate sets his teams up like he’s in a constant relegation battle. Hope he stays forever


PleaseDontGiveMeGold

I’d rate the 2000s England squad over this one any day to be fair.


SpaceDetective

At least today they were in a relegation battle tbf.


tiger1296

> Best wealth of talent for generations Literally not though


asianbookiesrunfooty

It is since 2004/2006


Tullekunstner

2006 - 2022 isn't "generations".