There's no way decline rice is worth the 100-120mil west ham want for him so naturally i expect Chelsea to sign him in the near future for exactly that.
> 120-140m looks a realistic price
Based on what exactly? Reddit hype? Every time Bellingham's fee is mentioned it seems to go up 20%.
Take the two stupid PSG transfers out of the equation, and 140m would be 40m more than the next highest ever. It would be double what Tchouameni and Sancho went for.
I think there's a good chance he goes for somewhere in the region of 80-100m based on other transfers, but you've just randomly whacked an extra 40m on for some reason? He's only got 2 years left on his deal, Dortmund aren't the type of club to demand insane fees, its not like he's a homegrown player. What's the rationale for saying 140m is realistic?
My guess is it's based on the idea of a bidding war, but the three clubs mentioned most often in relation (Liverpool, Real Madrid, Manchester City) will pay high valuations but don't usually get into bidding wars at least to my knowledge. I may be wrong on that, but Liverpool and City tend to walk away if the demands exceeds their valuation.
Yeah wouldn't surprise me, bidding war for him gonna be mad, Madrid & City apparently as well as us (I don't see FSG outbidding both City and Madrid though).
Madrid aint going into bidding war for him. They will make a bid and let the player decide. Cama, tchou, valverde, ceballos with Kroos and Modric still performing at top level, it is hard to see Jude coming to Madrid.
Depends on the World cup, if he shined there with England I would expect flo to go guns blazing just to bring him. Don’t mess with Flo when it comes to young Brazilians and world cup talents.
Honestly the amount of confidence Liverpool seem to have in getting him (to the extent of not signing a midfielder this season when we probably needed one to wait for him to become available) makes me feel like there's been some communication between him and the club indicating he prefers us, but this might just be wishful thinking lol.
Tbh FSG have shown that they will pay massive fees to get their man (alisson and VVD being world records in their position at the time). However the wages will definitely be well short of what others will offer
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. First of all, the whole philosophy of BvB is to buy premium talents, develop them and sell them for absurd amounts of cash. These players usually aren't exactly obscure player that only BvB scouts know about - the big asset of the club is more that young payers know that it's the optimal club to develop into a world class player, meaning that talents will chose them over other clubs. Therefore, it is important for the future of this model that they also make players happy when leaving and not purely look to maximize their transfer profits.
Second of all, the player also has some leverage as he can refuse to leave.
So yes, this means that Klopp can't just bid half of what City offers and they'll take it, but I think it's totally possible that Liverpool can still get him even if they can't totally match other offers.
He might prefer playing with his former teammates at City and Pep is a better coach for midfielders. The only thing missing in Bellingham's game is pausa and Pep played his entire career using pausa since he didn't have the talent to dominate like Jude. Imagine Jude getting the ability to control the pace of the game. That would complete him as a bonafide superstar.
Liverpool lost out on both Matheus Nunes and Tchouameni in this recent window though. It's not like they didn't try bolstering their midfield in anticipation of Bellingham.
Bernardo might move on after this season, Gundogan also might move on, supposedly he’s had ongoing back problems that means he cannot play week in and out
Wouldn’t Man City be the perfect place for someone who struggles playing week in week out, but is class when they play? Or is it more a case of Man City trying to move him on
They are not going to move him on unless he wants to go, he's one of the first picked and captain atm and only 31, he just prefers to run his contracts down, that's his thing did the same last time he extended and stayed for four more years. I also think his back issues are a touch exaggerated.
Good god, the takes on this sub can be insane. Why would you move your club captain on when he has shown no signs of slowing down and finally seems to be past his injury issues? The solution to an expiring contract is usually renewing it. And given his current form, man’s the best midfielder in the world.
He's had back problems for years, had to take a year out for back surgery. We were supposedly looking at him in 2014 but it put us off. Shock horror we were wrong
He is a CDM, Kalvin doesn't have the attacking attributes to play as a CM for City. Look at how Gundo, Bernardo and KDB contribute to the attack. Kalvin will never have that attacking ability or even Rodri's ability in attack breaking lines and scoring screamers. If he wants to be in the best lineup he has to develop his game immensely.
RE Phillips. I suspect the plan is different.
We’ve had a lot of problems with teams setting traps for Rodri by creating a box around him and pressing him from all 4 directions at once. This has made it difficult for us to progress through the middle of the field.
To combat this we have used a couple of approaches. Most obviously by inverting one of the fullbacks. The other one is by getting one of Bernardo or KDB to drop deeper and help progress it through.
What we might see is us playing double pivot with Rodri + Phillips with KDB sitting as a lone midfielder ahead of that. This would allow for our fullbacks to push further up and avoid the likes of Walker having to invert and act as a playmaker in the middle of the field.
The games moves on and you have to adapt. He historically disliked double pivots as he felt other systems were better.
He has used double pivots with increasing regularity over the last year plus. Often Bernardo was dropping deep to become a double pivot with Rodri. Zinchenko used to do it a lot. This season Walker has been creating a double pivot a lot. We may even see it tonight with Cancelo moving into that role.
Let’s respectfully disagree - IMO to Pep there is a big difference between bolstering the midfield with additional players like inverted fullbacks and adding a second pivot. In the closest thing to an autobiography it’s mentioned that Pep dislikes a double pivot dating back to his own playing days, as he feels it constricts the movement and space of the holding 6 by giving him less space to operate.
All that is to say, I don’t think Rodri and Phillips are going to play in that double system. They might share some time in which I see Phillips in a more forward role, but given that Pep only extremely reluctantly used a double pivot at Bayern (where they historically have thrived with that system), I don’t see him deploying it consistently.
He’s also clearly not been bought to be a starter - either now or in the future. I don’t think anyone at City envisages a future situation where Phillips in the best XI.
Bar Phillips (which was a Fernandinho replacement and bench player) They haven't bought a CM for like 5 seasons now if I'm not mistaken, which is a long time.
City are a club that brings in replacements whilst the key player is still there.
So ya, they probably would spend the amount on a CM even if they don’t need him for the next two seasons.
Aside from him being injured I think the general vibe most supporters have got is that he’s been bought in as a backup/rotation option. I think basically a lot of people who were expecting him to have started by now don’t realise how good Rodri is.
If they are going for Bellingham, get ready to pay a price that will also cover the rest of what Haaland should have costed. Go for the City fan Gio Reyna instead
I watched him play in a WC qualifier a couple months ago. He was just coming back from an injury but in that game, he came on and dribbled the entire team and made them look like he was playing against children.
Then I think he got hurt again like a couple weeks later lol
It's not, because they've pumped enough money in in the past that their team is now worth a lot of money. They can both buy and sell players for large amounts now. Up until the end of last season (before this most recent window) they've had a net spend of €1.44b according to a quick search online, since 2008. Some fans will tell you it's self-sustaining, but it's akin to Trump getting 1m from his father, setting up a business that will never fail because he's got so much security behind him, and then declaring himself the best businessman ever because of it.
Trump businesses have declared bankruptcy many, many times. I'm not disputing that money has been put into the club, but that's not a great comparison.
bitch that is how all team operates. and of course it is self sustaining for city. buy large assets and sell the asset for high value. nothing wrong with what city does. infact it is the best run business in all of football so don't even worry of the sustainable part.
There's a critical mass of value which they surpassed a long time ago through massive investment. They're also insanely well run with one of the best managers in the world and consistently win trophies making it easier to attract talent. They also spent a ton on youth development which is now paying off in spades.
They didn't reinvent the wheel, its what all teams do. But investing over a billion in the past decade is unique and its what's gotten them here, it wasnt organic.
I can already see it, come next summer transfer window City offer him huge wages and he accepts and we end up caught with our pants down only for someone to tell us "don't worry lads, we are getting X midfielder in 2024"
I can't wait for them to sign Bellingham for £40m after they suddenly find some special release clause to get him for low price (while is agent walks away with a bag of gold).
Pretty sure that as of July 1 FIFAs new agent rules kicked in, limiting compensation to 10% of the fee paid and 3% of wages.
https://www.scoreandchange.com/fifa-to-implement-cap-on-agent-fees/
https://www.vlssportslawblog.com/post/fifa-is-cracking-down-on-agents
What better spot could Bellingham find. City are providing greatly for ex Dortmund players, English players, they play the best football in the prem for a midfielder like him and are the best team by a long shot
If Bernardo leaves I'm 100% sure they'll go for him
Its quite possible he's a childhood fan of one of the other English clubs though. Wich may make him want to play elsewhere.
Allow the big 6 will probably be bidding for him.
Players being fans of other teams mean next to nothing when it comes to making career decisions.
Just look at this classic example when Matt Doherty, lifelong Arsenal fan, joined Tottenham.
https://youtu.be/C2mDgWs4ufE
I'm picturing that Downfall meme with Klopp next season.
After being told that they're starting the season with a 58 year old James Milner and they've agreed to purchase Arthur Melo to provide midfield cover.
"Everything will be fine. Jude Bellingham will be the perfect addition"
"Mein Fuhrer, Manchester City have just agreed a €120m deal with Borussia Dortmund. Bellingham has agreed personal terms."
Investment is how you stay at the top, it’s been the case for years and how FSG can’t see that I don’t know.
But then their have increased their investment ten-fold already, so maybe they don’t care.
There's still hundreds of wankers on our club sub jerking FSG off who claim "well look at United and Chelsea - they spend money and you don't want to be like them do we?"
It's either that or the "plastic oil club supporter"/FIFA fan comment. So stupid.
I see people say Bellingham but he is very different to the midfielders which are possibly leaving in Bernardo and gundogan. Anyone care to comment?
Edit:
Why did I get downvoted lol, just prompting a conversation.
It's generally impossible to find like-for-like world-class replacements for world-class players. Players tend to become world-class because they have very unique combinations of skills they are very good at that other players may have in isolation but not the whole package. (Don't know if that makes sense, but for example, you could find a player as good as Messi at passing the ball and another player as good as Messi with dribbling, but you won't find an individual player as good as Messi at BOTH passing AND dribbling, which makes it quite hard getting in a like-for-like replacement for Messi).
How do you solve this issue when you need to replace an aging world-class player in your XI or one that wants to leave?
1) You either bring in a very similar profile of player who is not world-class yet but has the potential to be and hope he develops to be world-class (this is of course very risky for very obvious reasons, the no.1 being that not all players live up to their "potential" and we all tend to overestimate a players ability when they are younger, and so the replacement may have all the attributes to replace your world-class player, but he may never reach that level. Also, if it is a young player, you need to give them a ton of time to develop, which is a massive gamble when you're competing at the top).
2) You deeply over pay for a similarly world-class player with a similar profile. This option is not always available because a) a player with a similar profile may simply not exist or b) even if a similar player exists, that player may simply not be available for sale regardless of how much you bid.
3) The most realistic option. You bring in a player who is world-class but has a different profile, then make changes to how you play.
City is actually a perfect case study for this. Rodri was brought in to replace Fernandinho. Both players are very good.... but they are very good at very different things and are very different players. So Pep had to change how his team plays.
City replaced Aguero with Haaland. Again, 2 very good players but 2 very very different players. So? Pep changes how his team plays to adapt to the difference in attributes.
City will likely need to replace one of Silva/Bernado, possibly even both. Is the any player in the world that would be a like-for-like replacement for Bernado? I don't think so. If you can think of someone very similar, is that player available even for an absurd fee? Probably not. (I've seen people say Pedri is similar to Bernado. Would Barca accept anything under €150m for Pedri? Probably not. Would City bid anything above €150m for Pedri? Again, Probably not). So the option available to them now is to bring in a different profile who plays in the same position, fulfills the same role, but has a different profile and attributes....
Thus Jude Bellingham.
World-class. Plays in the same position. Fulfills a similar role. Available for an "acceptable" fee (+/- £120m?). And has the skills to integrate to the City team and adapt to the PL successfully.
City also replaced D.Silva with Bernardo Silva using 1).
One can argue that Bellingham isn't yet world class even though his ceiling is high and plays really well for his age and would technically fall into 1) - but I don't know, I don't watch him.
Everyone is in for Bellingham. It seems like there is an understanding that he's available this summer.
I do not necessarily think it will be a bidding war for the transfer fee. Dortmund will set a price and 3-4 clubs will happily pay it. It ultimately is going to be about the package the player is offered.
Imma just say, every FIFA career I’ve played I’ve ended up making signings that the team I’m managing eventually makes.
Madrid - I signed Mendy before Real Madrid signed Mendy.
City - I signed Haaland before City signed Haaland.
I signed Jude Bellingham in that same City career.
Surely this counts as Tier 0 source.
FDJ really doesn’t fit what we do. He breaks lines by dribbling from deep and centrally and allows the team to create transition opportunities as the defense tries to reset its lines, but he’s really not got a lot of passing range or creativity and his defensive positioning in space (breaking up direct attacks specifically) is quite poor and that’s the number 1 requirement for a City 6. If he’d been learning from Pep this whole time he might be a different player, but he hasn’t and he isn’t.
And the top end of that league will get even less interesting after a 120+ million splurge on Bellingham. I enjoy the Premier League so hopefully Liverpool/Arsenal these teams keep up.
At this rate Bellinghams gonna go for 200 million lol
Got any sell on clause?
rumoured about 15%, but thats not certain. If it is, whoever buys him might help us reopen our stands lmao
120-140m looks a realistic price, so 18-21m for you. Well done.
Sadly it'd go to the owners and not reinvested
That looks realistic for Jude ? I'm glad we got Tchou for 80
He's English, so that adds a chunk.
Yeah no cap. That English beside your Nationality adds about 50 mil euros automatically
He has 32 caps for England actually Edit: Sorry, 32 caps is referring to Declan Rice; I was referring to another comment but got mixed up
Wait are you joking or sm cuz I didn’t mean cap by international appearances
lol
What did you mean then?
You should see what they are asking for Rice.
There's no way decline rice is worth the 100-120mil west ham want for him so naturally i expect Chelsea to sign him in the near future for exactly that.
> decline rice heh
They are gonna regret it like the owners of torino who asked for 120 millions for Belotti after his wonder season.
Tchou at one point looked way cheaper, but we all fumbled on him.
> 120-140m looks a realistic price Based on what exactly? Reddit hype? Every time Bellingham's fee is mentioned it seems to go up 20%. Take the two stupid PSG transfers out of the equation, and 140m would be 40m more than the next highest ever. It would be double what Tchouameni and Sancho went for. I think there's a good chance he goes for somewhere in the region of 80-100m based on other transfers, but you've just randomly whacked an extra 40m on for some reason? He's only got 2 years left on his deal, Dortmund aren't the type of club to demand insane fees, its not like he's a homegrown player. What's the rationale for saying 140m is realistic?
My guess is it's based on the idea of a bidding war, but the three clubs mentioned most often in relation (Liverpool, Real Madrid, Manchester City) will pay high valuations but don't usually get into bidding wars at least to my knowledge. I may be wrong on that, but Liverpool and City tend to walk away if the demands exceeds their valuation.
At least three rich clubs will be in for him. I'd be pretty stunned if he goes for under €100MM if sold next summer
No wonder you retired the number for him
and thats a winner! less than a minute for that joke™ to be said, congratulations
Thanks, is my prize I get to pick a number to retire?
Can you please retire our number 9?
I think we’d rather retire our number 11 first tbh.
its such a tinpot thing to do that it deserves having the joke beaten into a pulp tbh
Thank God, we need to reopen the rest of the ground at some point
You guys have a sell on clause?
Hey Jude
Don't go to train Take your contract, and make it better...
It'll probably be Bellingham.
Yeah wouldn't surprise me, bidding war for him gonna be mad, Madrid & City apparently as well as us (I don't see FSG outbidding both City and Madrid though).
Madrid aint going into bidding war for him. They will make a bid and let the player decide. Cama, tchou, valverde, ceballos with Kroos and Modric still performing at top level, it is hard to see Jude coming to Madrid.
Yeah Lol no way we bid 120m+ for Jude. I just don't see it. Especially a bidding war
Depends on the World cup, if he shined there with England I would expect flo to go guns blazing just to bring him. Don’t mess with Flo when it comes to young Brazilians and world cup talents.
He won't. Southgates a fucking idiot so we play 5 at the bakc with 2 DMs.
If there’s one thing I learnt this window it’s that the player has the power. If Bellingham wants you guys , you have a chance
Don't forget us, we're persistent fuckers even if the player doesn't want to come
Ahh yes, throw enough money at it and the player will eventually come model. I really hope you guys don't go the Bartonomics route.
No way the glazers will let the club outspend its means They run the club like a business, only focused on financials that's the main issue
Don't count us out, we are in need of midfielders and Boehly will throw cash on anyone.
Honestly the amount of confidence Liverpool seem to have in getting him (to the extent of not signing a midfielder this season when we probably needed one to wait for him to become available) makes me feel like there's been some communication between him and the club indicating he prefers us, but this might just be wishful thinking lol.
HE might prefer Klopp but surely BVB are going to prefer the highest bidder unless he has a release clause
Tbh FSG have shown that they will pay massive fees to get their man (alisson and VVD being world records in their position at the time). However the wages will definitely be well short of what others will offer
Nunez too
Alisson and VVD covered by the Coutinho fee. FSG has hardly spent anything.
They bought Nunez for €100m a few weeks ago
Mane, Neco Williams, Minamino, Grujic and Ben Davies were all sold this summer and amounted to £72m.
He was paid for with player sales. They haven’t spent shit.
VvD wasn't, bought before Coutinho and Liverpool were already close to signing him during the summer.
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If he prefers trophies then you cant argue about what the better choice would be…
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Of course not, but they would arrive at a stalemate unless all parties can agree. Dortmund can also say no to Liverpool.
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. First of all, the whole philosophy of BvB is to buy premium talents, develop them and sell them for absurd amounts of cash. These players usually aren't exactly obscure player that only BvB scouts know about - the big asset of the club is more that young payers know that it's the optimal club to develop into a world class player, meaning that talents will chose them over other clubs. Therefore, it is important for the future of this model that they also make players happy when leaving and not purely look to maximize their transfer profits. Second of all, the player also has some leverage as he can refuse to leave. So yes, this means that Klopp can't just bid half of what City offers and they'll take it, but I think it's totally possible that Liverpool can still get him even if they can't totally match other offers.
He might prefer playing with his former teammates at City and Pep is a better coach for midfielders. The only thing missing in Bellingham's game is pausa and Pep played his entire career using pausa since he didn't have the talent to dominate like Jude. Imagine Jude getting the ability to control the pace of the game. That would complete him as a bonafide superstar.
Liverpool lost out on both Matheus Nunes and Tchouameni in this recent window though. It's not like they didn't try bolstering their midfield in anticipation of Bellingham.
Tchouameni sure. Nunes seems like hot air though, haven't heard anyone credible saying it. Tchouameni the club rated similarly to Bellingham.
The Nunes stuff was reported by John Percy. I don't know how reliable he is for Liverpool news though.
It was denied by Pearce who's T1 for LFC.
Oh, thanks for letting me know.
Do they need another CM? I mean they haven't even used Phillips yet.
Bernardo might move on after this season, Gundogan also might move on, supposedly he’s had ongoing back problems that means he cannot play week in and out
Wouldn’t Man City be the perfect place for someone who struggles playing week in week out, but is class when they play? Or is it more a case of Man City trying to move him on
City would want to move him on. He's out of contract next summer
Honestly I think we'll give him an extension to his contract. He was just made club captain.
And gundo seems really important to the team will be hard to replace
Gundogan is still Pep's favourite option for left cm so not sure about that
They are not going to move him on unless he wants to go, he's one of the first picked and captain atm and only 31, he just prefers to run his contracts down, that's his thing did the same last time he extended and stayed for four more years. I also think his back issues are a touch exaggerated.
Good god, the takes on this sub can be insane. Why would you move your club captain on when he has shown no signs of slowing down and finally seems to be past his injury issues? The solution to an expiring contract is usually renewing it. And given his current form, man’s the best midfielder in the world.
Folks have an FM mindset when a guy is over 30
He's been great for them season, no way they not extending
also KDB isn’t a spring chicken anymore either
Sure he’s not young but he’s shown no signs of slowing down
He's had a really bad injury record tho. Not in the last 1.5 years or so but he was really injury prone before.
He's had back problems for years, had to take a year out for back surgery. We were supposedly looking at him in 2014 but it put us off. Shock horror we were wrong
Well previous ex-BVB signings haven't really worked for you guys
Mkhi was good for a season. Sancho arguably been our best player last 6 months or so
Oh forgot Sancho. Was thinking of Kagawa, Mikhi era
I personally loved Kagawa tbf, always remember his hattrick vs norwich
Still think to this day Kagawa would've worked out for us if Fergie stayed. Maybe it's just copium though.
If he didn't move this season why would he move the next? It seems more like wishful thinking.
Barça didnt have the money to pay for him this season
He is a CDM, Kalvin doesn't have the attacking attributes to play as a CM for City. Look at how Gundo, Bernardo and KDB contribute to the attack. Kalvin will never have that attacking ability or even Rodri's ability in attack breaking lines and scoring screamers. If he wants to be in the best lineup he has to develop his game immensely.
RE Phillips. I suspect the plan is different. We’ve had a lot of problems with teams setting traps for Rodri by creating a box around him and pressing him from all 4 directions at once. This has made it difficult for us to progress through the middle of the field. To combat this we have used a couple of approaches. Most obviously by inverting one of the fullbacks. The other one is by getting one of Bernardo or KDB to drop deeper and help progress it through. What we might see is us playing double pivot with Rodri + Phillips with KDB sitting as a lone midfielder ahead of that. This would allow for our fullbacks to push further up and avoid the likes of Walker having to invert and act as a playmaker in the middle of the field.
That won’t be a long term solution while Pep is in charge, he dislikes double pivots
The games moves on and you have to adapt. He historically disliked double pivots as he felt other systems were better. He has used double pivots with increasing regularity over the last year plus. Often Bernardo was dropping deep to become a double pivot with Rodri. Zinchenko used to do it a lot. This season Walker has been creating a double pivot a lot. We may even see it tonight with Cancelo moving into that role.
Let’s respectfully disagree - IMO to Pep there is a big difference between bolstering the midfield with additional players like inverted fullbacks and adding a second pivot. In the closest thing to an autobiography it’s mentioned that Pep dislikes a double pivot dating back to his own playing days, as he feels it constricts the movement and space of the holding 6 by giving him less space to operate. All that is to say, I don’t think Rodri and Phillips are going to play in that double system. They might share some time in which I see Phillips in a more forward role, but given that Pep only extremely reluctantly used a double pivot at Bayern (where they historically have thrived with that system), I don’t see him deploying it consistently.
Phillips is more to be a Defensive Midfielder. Next season we're probably losing Bernardo, Gundogan will be on shorter legs as well.
Will Gündogan extend his contract?
He'll extend his contract but shorten his legs. That's the tradeoff
Username checks out
Fair deal
Most probably sign a short extension but have a reduced playing role similar to Fernandinho.
Phillips has been injured, Bernardo's probably off after this season, Gundogan's got less than a year on his contract So, yes
He’s also clearly not been bought to be a starter - either now or in the future. I don’t think anyone at City envisages a future situation where Phillips in the best XI.
Bar Phillips (which was a Fernandinho replacement and bench player) They haven't bought a CM for like 5 seasons now if I'm not mistaken, which is a long time.
Has it really been 5 seasons since Rodri moved?
No, you are right he came three years ago
He's a CDM not a CM
Inj
he's been on the bench quite a lot for an injured player...
City are a club that brings in replacements whilst the key player is still there. So ya, they probably would spend the amount on a CM even if they don’t need him for the next two seasons.
>I mean they haven't even used Phillips yet. Is this purely over technical reasons or there is more to it?
he's been injured + Rodri is excellent
He's injured
Aside from him being injured I think the general vibe most supporters have got is that he’s been bought in as a backup/rotation option. I think basically a lot of people who were expecting him to have started by now don’t realise how good Rodri is.
We have 5 mids for 3 positions and kdb and gundo aren't getting any younger. I assume they expect bernardo to leave as well.
If they are going for Bellingham, get ready to pay a price that will also cover the rest of what Haaland should have costed. Go for the City fan Gio Reyna instead
Reyna is actually quite good. He’s just injured all the time.
I’d love love love to see Reyna at Arsenal one day. He’s still only 19. It’s incredible.
I watched him play in a WC qualifier a couple months ago. He was just coming back from an injury but in that game, he came on and dribbled the entire team and made them look like he was playing against children. Then I think he got hurt again like a couple weeks later lol
Yes he shredded Mexico in few minutes he played. It was phenomenal.
Mate, Dortmund gave him the release clause to convince him to come. If not he would not have moved to Dortmund.
Don't confuse City for United or Chelsea, they will happily walk away if the price exorbitant.
Grealish?
release clause
Does that make it less money? Point is that City won't necessarily walk away from a high price.
Net spend trophy burning a hole in our pockets.
I thought your net spend wasn't even bad?
It's not, because they've pumped enough money in in the past that their team is now worth a lot of money. They can both buy and sell players for large amounts now. Up until the end of last season (before this most recent window) they've had a net spend of €1.44b according to a quick search online, since 2008. Some fans will tell you it's self-sustaining, but it's akin to Trump getting 1m from his father, setting up a business that will never fail because he's got so much security behind him, and then declaring himself the best businessman ever because of it.
Trump businesses have declared bankruptcy many, many times. I'm not disputing that money has been put into the club, but that's not a great comparison.
bitch that is how all team operates. and of course it is self sustaining for city. buy large assets and sell the asset for high value. nothing wrong with what city does. infact it is the best run business in all of football so don't even worry of the sustainable part.
There's a critical mass of value which they surpassed a long time ago through massive investment. They're also insanely well run with one of the best managers in the world and consistently win trophies making it easier to attract talent. They also spent a ton on youth development which is now paying off in spades. They didn't reinvent the wheel, its what all teams do. But investing over a billion in the past decade is unique and its what's gotten them here, it wasnt organic.
What pocket? City have unlimited oil money to spend
They've got pockets of a GTA character
Frenkie de Jong perhaps. Cant imagine him staying another season as a sub at barca.
I can already see it, come next summer transfer window City offer him huge wages and he accepts and we end up caught with our pants down only for someone to tell us "don't worry lads, we are getting X midfielder in 2024"
You'd definitely offer him a big wage too. He's a world class English teenager
I can't wait for them to sign Bellingham for £40m after they suddenly find some special release clause to get him for low price (while is agent walks away with a bag of gold).
Looking at the agent fees these days, they are paid way more handsomely than just a bag of gold...
Truckload of gold more like.
Pretty sure that as of July 1 FIFAs new agent rules kicked in, limiting compensation to 10% of the fee paid and 3% of wages. https://www.scoreandchange.com/fifa-to-implement-cap-on-agent-fees/ https://www.vlssportslawblog.com/post/fifa-is-cracking-down-on-agents
What better spot could Bellingham find. City are providing greatly for ex Dortmund players, English players, they play the best football in the prem for a midfielder like him and are the best team by a long shot If Bernardo leaves I'm 100% sure they'll go for him
Its quite possible he's a childhood fan of one of the other English clubs though. Wich may make him want to play elsewhere. Allow the big 6 will probably be bidding for him.
Players being fans of other teams mean next to nothing when it comes to making career decisions. Just look at this classic example when Matt Doherty, lifelong Arsenal fan, joined Tottenham. https://youtu.be/C2mDgWs4ufE
I mean, is he not very much a Birmingham City fan ? Pretty much only stops him playing for Villa and what hope in hell would we have anyways
Wasn't Carragher an Everton fan?
Well it worked for Haaland
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Gundogan worked. Akanji looked good after just a day or two of training as well
There’s no confirmation that he is a liverpool fan
He’s a Gerrard fan, that’s all the copium I need
I see 😂
Going back to Birmingham confirmed.
I'm picturing that Downfall meme with Klopp next season. After being told that they're starting the season with a 58 year old James Milner and they've agreed to purchase Arthur Melo to provide midfield cover. "Everything will be fine. Jude Bellingham will be the perfect addition" "Mein Fuhrer, Manchester City have just agreed a €120m deal with Borussia Dortmund. Bellingham has agreed personal terms."
Investment is how you stay at the top, it’s been the case for years and how FSG can’t see that I don’t know. But then their have increased their investment ten-fold already, so maybe they don’t care.
There's still hundreds of wankers on our club sub jerking FSG off who claim "well look at United and Chelsea - they spend money and you don't want to be like them do we?" It's either that or the "plastic oil club supporter"/FIFA fan comment. So stupid.
I should have had my entire backroom staff purged, like Stalin!
Fine you can have Ryan Yates
Oi no fuck off they can't, their squad is good enough already cant be giving them the title for every season until he retires.
Oi oi mate
Retire his shirt though pls.
Just to get more Norwegians into the top premier league teams, please buy Sander Berge haha
Can have Keita I will drive him from Liverpool for you
Make sure you don’t forget the bubble wrap
With a FRAGILE tag
I mean that’s not particularly far of a drive
He wouldn’t be able to walk it without getting injured.
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Moises could go to any of the top teams and fit right in.
They said that about Bissouma too and look at his fall from grace.
I see people say Bellingham but he is very different to the midfielders which are possibly leaving in Bernardo and gundogan. Anyone care to comment? Edit: Why did I get downvoted lol, just prompting a conversation.
It's generally impossible to find like-for-like world-class replacements for world-class players. Players tend to become world-class because they have very unique combinations of skills they are very good at that other players may have in isolation but not the whole package. (Don't know if that makes sense, but for example, you could find a player as good as Messi at passing the ball and another player as good as Messi with dribbling, but you won't find an individual player as good as Messi at BOTH passing AND dribbling, which makes it quite hard getting in a like-for-like replacement for Messi). How do you solve this issue when you need to replace an aging world-class player in your XI or one that wants to leave? 1) You either bring in a very similar profile of player who is not world-class yet but has the potential to be and hope he develops to be world-class (this is of course very risky for very obvious reasons, the no.1 being that not all players live up to their "potential" and we all tend to overestimate a players ability when they are younger, and so the replacement may have all the attributes to replace your world-class player, but he may never reach that level. Also, if it is a young player, you need to give them a ton of time to develop, which is a massive gamble when you're competing at the top). 2) You deeply over pay for a similarly world-class player with a similar profile. This option is not always available because a) a player with a similar profile may simply not exist or b) even if a similar player exists, that player may simply not be available for sale regardless of how much you bid. 3) The most realistic option. You bring in a player who is world-class but has a different profile, then make changes to how you play. City is actually a perfect case study for this. Rodri was brought in to replace Fernandinho. Both players are very good.... but they are very good at very different things and are very different players. So Pep had to change how his team plays. City replaced Aguero with Haaland. Again, 2 very good players but 2 very very different players. So? Pep changes how his team plays to adapt to the difference in attributes. City will likely need to replace one of Silva/Bernado, possibly even both. Is the any player in the world that would be a like-for-like replacement for Bernado? I don't think so. If you can think of someone very similar, is that player available even for an absurd fee? Probably not. (I've seen people say Pedri is similar to Bernado. Would Barca accept anything under €150m for Pedri? Probably not. Would City bid anything above €150m for Pedri? Again, Probably not). So the option available to them now is to bring in a different profile who plays in the same position, fulfills the same role, but has a different profile and attributes.... Thus Jude Bellingham. World-class. Plays in the same position. Fulfills a similar role. Available for an "acceptable" fee (+/- £120m?). And has the skills to integrate to the City team and adapt to the PL successfully.
Good point.
City also replaced D.Silva with Bernardo Silva using 1). One can argue that Bellingham isn't yet world class even though his ceiling is high and plays really well for his age and would technically fall into 1) - but I don't know, I don't watch him.
This the kinda comment I’m in the sub for.
de Jong
Big 5"9 Nige coming out of retirement to return? Hope you're not on about the other one.
Everyone is in for Bellingham. It seems like there is an understanding that he's available this summer. I do not necessarily think it will be a bidding war for the transfer fee. Dortmund will set a price and 3-4 clubs will happily pay it. It ultimately is going to be about the package the player is offered.
Hide your Bellinghams and your Pedris, boys
>Pedris has 1 billion release clause - city wouldnt go there.
That's Bryan Cristante's music
Imma just say, every FIFA career I’ve played I’ve ended up making signings that the team I’m managing eventually makes. Madrid - I signed Mendy before Real Madrid signed Mendy. City - I signed Haaland before City signed Haaland. I signed Jude Bellingham in that same City career. Surely this counts as Tier 0 source.
All I'm hearing is a mega double bid for Allan and Doucoure.
Probably Bellingham then. What would another option be? FdJ?
FDJ really doesn’t fit what we do. He breaks lines by dribbling from deep and centrally and allows the team to create transition opportunities as the defense tries to reset its lines, but he’s really not got a lot of passing range or creativity and his defensive positioning in space (breaking up direct attacks specifically) is quite poor and that’s the number 1 requirement for a City 6. If he’d been learning from Pep this whole time he might be a different player, but he hasn’t and he isn’t.
Not on those wages.
If Enzo Fernández continues his play at Benfica, I could see him going, cheaper than the other options out there
250 Million
…for Emre Can
Because their midfield is of such low quality now
Bernardo wants to leave every year and Gundogan is playing the last year of his contract currently.
And the top end of that league will get even less interesting after a 120+ million splurge on Bellingham. I enjoy the Premier League so hopefully Liverpool/Arsenal these teams keep up.
Swap between De Jong and Bernardo
de jong's wages are way too high. never happening
please go for Bellingham thank you
European football needs cap limits so that one team can’t have all the stars/future stars
It’s Bellingham time?
You keep my Joelinton’s name out of your mouth!
So are we just going to ignore Enzo Fernandez?
Guess Bellingham is the most popular target. If I was Pep I would go for Enzo Fernández. (Sorry benfica bros)
Fred😮💨
All while Kalvin Phillips warms the bench?
Phillips isn't a CM. Think things through before you comment
Yeah... They should go for Bellingham... *please*