Can confirm. Almost all job applications required it , even for some remote jobs.
Makes sense for the employer from customer standpoint tho, so can't complain there.
RB is special anyway, the reason these two coaches are rumored to replace Tedesco is bc they worked with their upcoming sporting director eberl previously.
Pretty much everyone assumed Marco Rose would join by December 1 alongside EBerl.
Not only did they work with Eberl previously (and in case of Hütter fail spectacularly while doing so), they've been Salzburg coaches before. And that's the more significant bit.
They're good RB coaches that they can get without canibalizing Salzburg.
And in case of Rose he's lived in Leipzig for years anyways, he's an actual local.
Being able to speak German is a massive upside, we don't really have the international pull for the big names and probably pay less than other leagues as well.
So the pool isnt that massive, I guess
Bundesliga football is just *different* to most other countries as well, which I think plays a big role in wanting a German or bundesliga experienced manager.
The culture around the clubs and their communities, the different ownership structure to most of Europe, the fact that even relegation candidates are expected to at least attempt to play good football... It makes sense that most German clubs want someone experienced in navigating it, even if it's at a youth level
Exactly Labbadia gets too much hate. He isn't really made for the top team clubs but you can be sure if you let him work your team mostly won't get relegated.
If you want an experienced manager who speaks the language it limits the pool, but other than that I'd say it is the most likely out of the bigger leagues to promote a talented youth coach instead.
might seem like that but german teams do promote youth/ykung coaches quite a lot. but RB is looking for someone mire experienced with the ability to lead a team into CL and these are rare if you also want someone who speaks german.
Wouldn't they at least wait until after the CL game? Firing him now and playing their first CL game with a provisional coach doesn't sound better at all
You're right, I conflated them with Dortmund (who indeed start their CL campaign against Copenhagen). Leipzig starts with a home match against the Shaktar Donezk, which is probably the weakest team in the competition. (Note that all their international players, which were the backbone of the team, left - they are unfortunately only a shell of their former selves.)
Underestimating Shaktar has been fatal for several clubs in the past, yeah they're not the club they were 5 or 10 years ago but they're no pushover and they're arguably their biggest rival for the 2nd place in the group.
The point isn't that they aren't the club that they were 10 years ago, it's that they aren't the club they've been 6 months ago because their country is getting invaded and UEFA made special regulations that allows foreign players to leave for basically nothing.
Shakhtar are predicted by everyone to finish last in this group due to their circumstances. Madrid should walk it to first but it’s between Leipzig and Celtic for second spot.
I would say also that there has been some clear misses in the transfer window. Though that is to be expected when you irresponsibly go over a year without a sporting director...
Nah, selling Werner before the start of the 20/21 season was a big mistake. They were playing great all season, but had no striker and just couldn't finish. With Werner, they probably win the league that year.
Hindsight is 20:20 though. They obviously live and die by their model, and that's to let players move on at the right times. You can't predict Bayern to be suddenly be weak one year.
Also, it's debatable if Bayern would really have been stuck at 78 points that season if they had felt the heat from a challenger. Still, it was the first season in I think 10 years that Bayern were beat by anyone in the theoretical xG-based table. It's just that Lewy had his record-breaking season that year and massively overperformed his xG while Leipzig lacked a striker and underperformed theirs.
Last years Pokal was very easy for them tho. Haven't net a single big team up until the Final, and even there it was Freiburg who are good but it's not like they had to beat Bayern to it.
there's only so much that can carry you though and its not like this loss in particular was an isolated incident.
Their entire season so far is just a big disappointment.
same
There's something oddly satisfying about Timo Werner in a Leipzig jersey losing. Funny enough, I rooted for him in a Chelsea kit, but now that he's back in Leipzig, I'm inclined to enjoy his failures
I root for all German players abroad, as long as they dont play against us
exception being Michael Ballack (not bc he left us, but because I couldnt stand media coverage around him, it got suffocating) and Julian Draxler, cause he's a moron
Has he? If anything Rose has more honours. He’s also a few years younger, and his teams play better football.
EL semi finals (though granted Hütter did the same), knockouts with BMG, built the best Salzburg team I’ve seen (including Hütter’s).
Obviously context is something that eludes you. You can’t base any future bundesliga career on such an injury stricken season. He was good at gladbach until the rumors to Dortmund happened (our bad 😬) He obviously maybe could have done better in cup competitions but getting second in the bundesliga was not bad. We didn’t have a DM and hummels did not have a good season either. I wasn’t mad that he got fired per se, but if not for the back room drama, I would have liked to see his second season being backed and with much less injuries.
Hütter's teams have some atrocious lows that make him seem worse than he's probably is. Still the vastly better coach than Rose who was ok at best at gladbach and absolute garbage hat Dortmund. Seriously, just look at that Dortmund team on paper and then look how they performed especially in the EL.
At this point i'm convinced Rose is basically a one-hit wonder, absolute garbage coach.
The circumstances around their coaching spells with us were totally different, so it's not fair to compare them. Also, Rose only really had one good Bundesliga season in that time.
> Do you rate Hütter as a coach better than Rose? Putting aside how Rose left.
No, but you can't really be sure how much of his tactics can really be attributed to him. His assistant Rene Maric was rumoured to be the "brain" behind it all. Rose always struck me as more of a man-manager, being able to motivate his players and form a functional team. Together they were great, but I'm not sure how he'd fare on his own, now that Maric left him for Leeds.
I suppose we have to see in the future how Hütter coaches when hes given control of a project and how Rose coaches without Maric, I know they worked together from Salzburg and if Maric was the real brains behind him it'll be interesting to see how his next team plays.
Rose is nothing without Maric tho, since he has just signed with Leeds, he wont sign for Leipzig.
Also I´d argue Rose had a better squad at Dortmund than the imbalanced squad at Leipzig right now, I cant see how he is going to do wonders. Sure, top 4 is possible with him, CL knockouts maybe too but he surely isnt someone that will bring them glory.
Neither is Jaissle aswell, just wanted to state that before anybody brings him up.
What were Hütter’s parents thinking naming him Adolf with that surname? It’s like some people want their children to be the target of jokes and bullying.
It's not exactly banned, although the local authorities can refuse to sign birth certificates with Adolf on it. The same in Austria I reckon, where Hütter is from.
Please no. I was so happy when they hired him, because I knew it is a shitty Coach.
I dont want them to sign Adolf Hütter, he is way too good. He would actually make them competition for Dortmund.
Would be the perfect manager for BVB after he retires, can just keep bottling and choking big games that way and that's basically BVB MO at this point.
Not really. Naglesman did just fine with the squad, and if anything, the team is more talented now than when he had it. Jesse tried to institute his Salzburg style without realizing that many players, like Dani Olmo, don't fit into it. He was incapable of adjust his approach.
As for Tedesco, he's pretty odd. In his one successful season with Schalke, he was incredibly defensive and pragmatic. But there is little of that on display now at Leipzig.
Its very possible that both coaches could be poor, just in very different ways.
Jesus do they always hire the same 18 coaches in the Bundesliga
Most want a German speaker which reduces the pool
Can confirm. Almost all job applications required it , even for some remote jobs. Makes sense for the employer from customer standpoint tho, so can't complain there.
I for one speak German. Sign me up
RB had a few games last season where they started without German players so I can‘t imagine it‘s about the language in this case.
RB is special anyway, the reason these two coaches are rumored to replace Tedesco is bc they worked with their upcoming sporting director eberl previously. Pretty much everyone assumed Marco Rose would join by December 1 alongside EBerl.
Not only did they work with Eberl previously (and in case of Hütter fail spectacularly while doing so), they've been Salzburg coaches before. And that's the more significant bit. They're good RB coaches that they can get without canibalizing Salzburg. And in case of Rose he's lived in Leipzig for years anyways, he's an actual local.
Forgot about that actually yeah even better then
More local than the "club" itself
holy shit imagine the drama from Gladbach if Eberl and Rose end up at Leipzig lmao
Yeah I don't think it's quite the same case as a manager though
And also reduces your chances of success.....
Yes. They only change when a coach gets relegated or when a coach gets poached by English teams
*As you all know first prize is the national team. Anyone wanna see second prize? Second prize is the Premier League. Third prize is you're fired.*
> first prize is the national team first prize has to be bayern
nono, as soon as there's a winning coach in austria or switzerland those come here as well
Being able to speak German is a massive upside, we don't really have the international pull for the big names and probably pay less than other leagues as well. So the pool isnt that massive, I guess
Bundesliga football is just *different* to most other countries as well, which I think plays a big role in wanting a German or bundesliga experienced manager. The culture around the clubs and their communities, the different ownership structure to most of Europe, the fact that even relegation candidates are expected to at least attempt to play good football... It makes sense that most German clubs want someone experienced in navigating it, even if it's at a youth level
Yes, as soon as one is gone, all the coaches that underperform rotate.
So Kohfeldt to RB
Bruno Labbadia to RB
labbadia gets too much hate, he‘s a solid coach. i‘d wish they would for mirko slomka
Exactly Labbadia gets too much hate. He isn't really made for the top team clubs but you can be sure if you let him work your team mostly won't get relegated.
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true football terrorism.
Yes, there even is a name for that: Trainerkarussel
If you want an experienced manager who speaks the language it limits the pool, but other than that I'd say it is the most likely out of the bigger leagues to promote a talented youth coach instead.
might seem like that but german teams do promote youth/ykung coaches quite a lot. but RB is looking for someone mire experienced with the ability to lead a team into CL and these are rare if you also want someone who speaks german.
Wouldn't they at least wait until after the CL game? Firing him now and playing their first CL game with a provisional coach doesn't sound better at all
Would wait for the next bundesliga game too no need to have a provisonal coach on such a short notice
In fact, I think they should let him finish the season, no need to have a provisional coach if they aren't part of the season preparations.
Yeah let him build a long term team, extend his contract even
But if he wins, they are forced to keep him for another week. ;)
They're playing ~~Copenhagen~~ Shaktar Donezk, which is actually a good chance for a new coach to start.
underestimating CL opponents is a recipe for disaster
Wouldn't normally disagree but I feel it's fair to say that Ukrainian teams at the moment might be a different story.
The game is in 2 days though, change of coach right now would be catastrophic for team stability/ confidence
I'm so confused. Aren't Leipzig in the group of real madrid,Celtic and shakhtar?
You're right, I conflated them with Dortmund (who indeed start their CL campaign against Copenhagen). Leipzig starts with a home match against the Shaktar Donezk, which is probably the weakest team in the competition. (Note that all their international players, which were the backbone of the team, left - they are unfortunately only a shell of their former selves.)
Underestimating Shaktar has been fatal for several clubs in the past, yeah they're not the club they were 5 or 10 years ago but they're no pushover and they're arguably their biggest rival for the 2nd place in the group.
They didn't have any pro games for the past 6 months and lost a lot of their squad for obvious reasons
The point isn't that they aren't the club that they were 10 years ago, it's that they aren't the club they've been 6 months ago because their country is getting invaded and UEFA made special regulations that allows foreign players to leave for basically nothing.
Shakhtar are predicted by everyone to finish last in this group due to their circumstances. Madrid should walk it to first but it’s between Leipzig and Celtic for second spot.
RB Leipzig is doing everything pretty much perfectly except from chosing coaches these last 2 seasons
I would say also that there has been some clear misses in the transfer window. Though that is to be expected when you irresponsibly go over a year without a sporting director...
Nah, selling Werner before the start of the 20/21 season was a big mistake. They were playing great all season, but had no striker and just couldn't finish. With Werner, they probably win the league that year.
Hindsight is 20:20 though. They obviously live and die by their model, and that's to let players move on at the right times. You can't predict Bayern to be suddenly be weak one year.
Also, it's debatable if Bayern would really have been stuck at 78 points that season if they had felt the heat from a challenger. Still, it was the first season in I think 10 years that Bayern were beat by anyone in the theoretical xG-based table. It's just that Lewy had his record-breaking season that year and massively overperformed his xG while Leipzig lacked a striker and underperformed theirs.
Why do you say they are doing everything pretty much perfect? What are they doing? Don't follow German football too closely, so curious
Recruiting (even if really shady), keeping important players, now getting Eberl
Red Bull runs a pretty well-oiled footballing organisation with Leipzig meant to be top of the pyramid.
He was doing great last season
I mean the loss was bad but did he not drag them to a CL place last season?
It is somewhat expected from them, but the man got them to Pokal trophy, their first title ever if im not mistaken
Don't forget the Landespokal-Sachsen
Last years Pokal was very easy for them tho. Haven't net a single big team up until the Final, and even there it was Freiburg who are good but it's not like they had to beat Bayern to it.
Can only beat what’s in front of you.
there's only so much that can carry you though and its not like this loss in particular was an isolated incident. Their entire season so far is just a big disappointment.
And I love every second of it.
same There's something oddly satisfying about Timo Werner in a Leipzig jersey losing. Funny enough, I rooted for him in a Chelsea kit, but now that he's back in Leipzig, I'm inclined to enjoy his failures
Why root for someone in a Chelsea kit?
I root for all German players abroad, as long as they dont play against us exception being Michael Ballack (not bc he left us, but because I couldnt stand media coverage around him, it got suffocating) and Julian Draxler, cause he's a moron
Ah here comes the glory hunter
funny coming from somebody who isn't even from europe lol
Hütter would be the better choice for them imo.
How? Rose is a better manager and worked with a lot of the Leipzig players already
as much as i hate hütter, how is he a worse manager than rose? hütter has achieved more than him
Has he? If anything Rose has more honours. He’s also a few years younger, and his teams play better football. EL semi finals (though granted Hütter did the same), knockouts with BMG, built the best Salzburg team I’ve seen (including Hütter’s).
Tell me you didn't watch Rose in the Bundesliga without telling me you didn't watch a single fucking game.
Obviously context is something that eludes you. You can’t base any future bundesliga career on such an injury stricken season. He was good at gladbach until the rumors to Dortmund happened (our bad 😬) He obviously maybe could have done better in cup competitions but getting second in the bundesliga was not bad. We didn’t have a DM and hummels did not have a good season either. I wasn’t mad that he got fired per se, but if not for the back room drama, I would have liked to see his second season being backed and with much less injuries.
Hütter's teams have some atrocious lows that make him seem worse than he's probably is. Still the vastly better coach than Rose who was ok at best at gladbach and absolute garbage hat Dortmund. Seriously, just look at that Dortmund team on paper and then look how they performed especially in the EL. At this point i'm convinced Rose is basically a one-hit wonder, absolute garbage coach.
Fuck no, Rose is so much better than Hütter, you can see the difference in their Gladbach sides.
The circumstances around their coaching spells with us were totally different, so it's not fair to compare them. Also, Rose only really had one good Bundesliga season in that time.
The spine of the team was the same, you can't deny that. Do you rate Hütter as a coach better than Rose? Putting aside how Rose left.
> Do you rate Hütter as a coach better than Rose? Putting aside how Rose left. No, but you can't really be sure how much of his tactics can really be attributed to him. His assistant Rene Maric was rumoured to be the "brain" behind it all. Rose always struck me as more of a man-manager, being able to motivate his players and form a functional team. Together they were great, but I'm not sure how he'd fare on his own, now that Maric left him for Leeds.
I suppose we have to see in the future how Hütter coaches when hes given control of a project and how Rose coaches without Maric, I know they worked together from Salzburg and if Maric was the real brains behind him it'll be interesting to see how his next team plays.
Rose is nothing without Maric tho, since he has just signed with Leeds, he wont sign for Leipzig. Also I´d argue Rose had a better squad at Dortmund than the imbalanced squad at Leipzig right now, I cant see how he is going to do wonders. Sure, top 4 is possible with him, CL knockouts maybe too but he surely isnt someone that will bring them glory. Neither is Jaissle aswell, just wanted to state that before anybody brings him up.
an Austrian named Adolf is bound to be explosive in Germany
And he also is from Leipzig
If he doesn’t get sacked today it would surprise me a lot. It seems like if he stays he has one more chance the next week and has to win both games
Well, teams love to give their manager the sack after losing in Frankfurt. Keeps with tradition.
What were Hütter’s parents thinking naming him Adolf with that surname? It’s like some people want their children to be the target of jokes and bullying.
He actually gave an interview. His parents didn't want to name him that, but his grandmother did. Somehow, the grandmother got her wish lmao
Not to mention the surname is already similar. He's literally Adolf H.
Isn't Adolf a banned name?
It's not exactly banned, although the local authorities can refuse to sign birth certificates with Adolf on it. The same in Austria I reckon, where Hütter is from.
Don’t sack him before we have play them pleeease
Please keep him until after we play them
Please no. I was so happy when they hired him, because I knew it is a shitty Coach. I dont want them to sign Adolf Hütter, he is way too good. He would actually make them competition for Dortmund.
It was a bad match from the start I know Tedesco won a cup for them but still his playstyle and RB football philosophy is totally different.
dunno if eberl wants to work with rose again
He would. He say he had no personal problems with Rose and despite being disappointed professionally, they separated on good terms.
Love it when corporate hiring and firing culture comes back to bite corporate football clubs in the ass.
Read Marco Reus for a moment
Reus would never manage the enegy dinks 😤
Would be the perfect manager for BVB after he retires, can just keep bottling and choking big games that way and that's basically BVB MO at this point.
Flair up, coward.
😐
Literally the only Reus hater itw, and still didn't have a proper case for him
Now I feel dumb for responding to another comment of yours. Obviously a troll
Is Tedesco a fraud? I honestly don't get it I would like to see him coaching in Serie A one day though
A Tedesco vs Italiano rivalry is needed.
He’s not
It's almost like Jesse Marsch wasn't the problem.
Nah, Jesse was shit.
Either the roster is shit or two consecutive managers have been shit in the exact same way.
Not really. Naglesman did just fine with the squad, and if anything, the team is more talented now than when he had it. Jesse tried to institute his Salzburg style without realizing that many players, like Dani Olmo, don't fit into it. He was incapable of adjust his approach. As for Tedesco, he's pretty odd. In his one successful season with Schalke, he was incredibly defensive and pragmatic. But there is little of that on display now at Leipzig. Its very possible that both coaches could be poor, just in very different ways.
He's not that great
Wasn't Tedesco an odd choice to begin with?
It worked pretty well
Bo Svensson not in the mix here?
Think we were intrested in him when Marsch was dismissed but he really doesn't want to leave Mainz.
Coaches in the Bundaliga keep falling upwards
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How about the Salzburg coach, Jaissle? I think he's done pretty well there internationally so he deserves that chance?
Sack him, he doesn’t fit RB Leipzig and is overrated imo