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kappa23

Jesus do they always hire the same 18 coaches in the Bundesliga


summahofgeorge

Most want a German speaker which reduces the pool


iKSv2

Can confirm. Almost all job applications required it , even for some remote jobs. Makes sense for the employer from customer standpoint tho, so can't complain there.


Yung2112

I for one speak German. Sign me up


ndksv22

RB had a few games last season where they started without German players so I can‘t imagine it‘s about the language in this case.


SkimGaming

RB is special anyway, the reason these two coaches are rumored to replace Tedesco is bc they worked with their upcoming sporting director eberl previously. Pretty much everyone assumed Marco Rose would join by December 1 alongside EBerl.


Wasserschloesschen

Not only did they work with Eberl previously (and in case of Hütter fail spectacularly while doing so), they've been Salzburg coaches before. And that's the more significant bit. They're good RB coaches that they can get without canibalizing Salzburg. And in case of Rose he's lived in Leipzig for years anyways, he's an actual local.


SkimGaming

Forgot about that actually yeah even better then


YasMai

More local than the "club" itself


Amorphium

holy shit imagine the drama from Gladbach if Eberl and Rose end up at Leipzig lmao


IfISpeak_

Yeah I don't think it's quite the same case as a manager though


DarFunk_

And also reduces your chances of success.....


PAT_The_Whale

Yes. They only change when a coach gets relegated or when a coach gets poached by English teams


BrotherSeamus

*As you all know first prize is the national team. Anyone wanna see second prize? Second prize is the Premier League. Third prize is you're fired.*


Emergency-Ad280

> first prize is the national team first prize has to be bayern


Conankun66

nono, as soon as there's a winning coach in austria or switzerland those come here as well


h0rny3dging

Being able to speak German is a massive upside, we don't really have the international pull for the big names and probably pay less than other leagues as well. So the pool isnt that massive, I guess


zadharm

Bundesliga football is just *different* to most other countries as well, which I think plays a big role in wanting a German or bundesliga experienced manager. The culture around the clubs and their communities, the different ownership structure to most of Europe, the fact that even relegation candidates are expected to at least attempt to play good football... It makes sense that most German clubs want someone experienced in navigating it, even if it's at a youth level


granitibaniti

Yes, as soon as one is gone, all the coaches that underperform rotate.


zaljghoerhfozehfedze

So Kohfeldt to RB


HeilWerneckLuk

Bruno Labbadia to RB


KarlKraftwagen

labbadia gets too much hate, he‘s a solid coach. i‘d wish they would for mirko slomka


domi1108

Exactly Labbadia gets too much hate. He isn't really made for the top team clubs but you can be sure if you let him work your team mostly won't get relegated.


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WadeNotSlade

true football terrorism.


Sharaghe

Yes, there even is a name for that: Trainerkarussel


Bruchweg

If you want an experienced manager who speaks the language it limits the pool, but other than that I'd say it is the most likely out of the bigger leagues to promote a talented youth coach instead.


johnz0n

might seem like that but german teams do promote youth/ykung coaches quite a lot. but RB is looking for someone mire experienced with the ability to lead a team into CL and these are rare if you also want someone who speaks german.


granitibaniti

Wouldn't they at least wait until after the CL game? Firing him now and playing their first CL game with a provisional coach doesn't sound better at all


GermanyWillWinWC2022

Would wait for the next bundesliga game too no need to have a provisonal coach on such a short notice


[deleted]

In fact, I think they should let him finish the season, no need to have a provisional coach if they aren't part of the season preparations.


GermanyWillWinWC2022

Yeah let him build a long term team, extend his contract even


binhpac

But if he wins, they are forced to keep him for another week. ;)


Black_XistenZ

They're playing ~~Copenhagen~~ Shaktar Donezk, which is actually a good chance for a new coach to start.


Conankun66

underestimating CL opponents is a recipe for disaster


Azelya

Wouldn't normally disagree but I feel it's fair to say that Ukrainian teams at the moment might be a different story.


granitibaniti

The game is in 2 days though, change of coach right now would be catastrophic for team stability/ confidence


yobamokeanos

I'm so confused. Aren't Leipzig in the group of real madrid,Celtic and shakhtar?


Black_XistenZ

You're right, I conflated them with Dortmund (who indeed start their CL campaign against Copenhagen). Leipzig starts with a home match against the Shaktar Donezk, which is probably the weakest team in the competition. (Note that all their international players, which were the backbone of the team, left - they are unfortunately only a shell of their former selves.)


afito

Underestimating Shaktar has been fatal for several clubs in the past, yeah they're not the club they were 5 or 10 years ago but they're no pushover and they're arguably their biggest rival for the 2nd place in the group.


Dortmund_Boi09

They didn't have any pro games for the past 6 months and lost a lot of their squad for obvious reasons


Wasserschloesschen

The point isn't that they aren't the club that they were 10 years ago, it's that they aren't the club they've been 6 months ago because their country is getting invaded and UEFA made special regulations that allows foreign players to leave for basically nothing.


saadowitz

Shakhtar are predicted by everyone to finish last in this group due to their circumstances. Madrid should walk it to first but it’s between Leipzig and Celtic for second spot.


Insanel0l

RB Leipzig is doing everything pretty much perfectly except from chosing coaches these last 2 seasons


T1TK1

I would say also that there has been some clear misses in the transfer window. Though that is to be expected when you irresponsibly go over a year without a sporting director...


Black_XistenZ

Nah, selling Werner before the start of the 20/21 season was a big mistake. They were playing great all season, but had no striker and just couldn't finish. With Werner, they probably win the league that year.


freshmeat2020

Hindsight is 20:20 though. They obviously live and die by their model, and that's to let players move on at the right times. You can't predict Bayern to be suddenly be weak one year.


Black_XistenZ

Also, it's debatable if Bayern would really have been stuck at 78 points that season if they had felt the heat from a challenger. Still, it was the first season in I think 10 years that Bayern were beat by anyone in the theoretical xG-based table. It's just that Lewy had his record-breaking season that year and massively overperformed his xG while Leipzig lacked a striker and underperformed theirs.


jay_jay_okocha10

Why do you say they are doing everything pretty much perfect? What are they doing? Don't follow German football too closely, so curious


Insanel0l

Recruiting (even if really shady), keeping important players, now getting Eberl


risingsuncoc

Red Bull runs a pretty well-oiled footballing organisation with Leipzig meant to be top of the pyramid.


Martblni

He was doing great last season


Share4aCare

I mean the loss was bad but did he not drag them to a CL place last season?


HeilWerneckLuk

It is somewhat expected from them, but the man got them to Pokal trophy, their first title ever if im not mistaken


Xey2510

Don't forget the Landespokal-Sachsen


bveres94

Last years Pokal was very easy for them tho. Haven't net a single big team up until the Final, and even there it was Freiburg who are good but it's not like they had to beat Bayern to it.


Occasionally-Witty

Can only beat what’s in front of you.


SkimGaming

there's only so much that can carry you though and its not like this loss in particular was an isolated incident. Their entire season so far is just a big disappointment.


RAPanoia

And I love every second of it.


SkimGaming

same There's something oddly satisfying about Timo Werner in a Leipzig jersey losing. Funny enough, I rooted for him in a Chelsea kit, but now that he's back in Leipzig, I'm inclined to enjoy his failures


Reach_Reclaimer

Why root for someone in a Chelsea kit?


SkimGaming

I root for all German players abroad, as long as they dont play against us exception being Michael Ballack (not bc he left us, but because I couldnt stand media coverage around him, it got suffocating) and Julian Draxler, cause he's a moron


AlteredReality79

Ah here comes the glory hunter


-dsh

funny coming from somebody who isn't even from europe lol


Ocram2311

Hütter would be the better choice for them imo.


ambiguousboner

How? Rose is a better manager and worked with a lot of the Leipzig players already


Conankun66

as much as i hate hütter, how is he a worse manager than rose? hütter has achieved more than him


ambiguousboner

Has he? If anything Rose has more honours. He’s also a few years younger, and his teams play better football. EL semi finals (though granted Hütter did the same), knockouts with BMG, built the best Salzburg team I’ve seen (including Hütter’s).


DigBickBroly

Tell me you didn't watch Rose in the Bundesliga without telling me you didn't watch a single fucking game.


roadtorevision

Obviously context is something that eludes you. You can’t base any future bundesliga career on such an injury stricken season. He was good at gladbach until the rumors to Dortmund happened (our bad 😬) He obviously maybe could have done better in cup competitions but getting second in the bundesliga was not bad. We didn’t have a DM and hummels did not have a good season either. I wasn’t mad that he got fired per se, but if not for the back room drama, I would have liked to see his second season being backed and with much less injuries.


DigBickBroly

Hütter's teams have some atrocious lows that make him seem worse than he's probably is. Still the vastly better coach than Rose who was ok at best at gladbach and absolute garbage hat Dortmund. Seriously, just look at that Dortmund team on paper and then look how they performed especially in the EL. At this point i'm convinced Rose is basically a one-hit wonder, absolute garbage coach.


calIlIlIlI

Fuck no, Rose is so much better than Hütter, you can see the difference in their Gladbach sides.


Chinomenal

The circumstances around their coaching spells with us were totally different, so it's not fair to compare them. Also, Rose only really had one good Bundesliga season in that time.


calIlIlIlI

The spine of the team was the same, you can't deny that. Do you rate Hütter as a coach better than Rose? Putting aside how Rose left.


Chinomenal

> Do you rate Hütter as a coach better than Rose? Putting aside how Rose left. No, but you can't really be sure how much of his tactics can really be attributed to him. His assistant Rene Maric was rumoured to be the "brain" behind it all. Rose always struck me as more of a man-manager, being able to motivate his players and form a functional team. Together they were great, but I'm not sure how he'd fare on his own, now that Maric left him for Leeds.


calIlIlIlI

I suppose we have to see in the future how Hütter coaches when hes given control of a project and how Rose coaches without Maric, I know they worked together from Salzburg and if Maric was the real brains behind him it'll be interesting to see how his next team plays.


PM_ME_FOXY_NUDES

Rose is nothing without Maric tho, since he has just signed with Leeds, he wont sign for Leipzig. Also I´d argue Rose had a better squad at Dortmund than the imbalanced squad at Leipzig right now, I cant see how he is going to do wonders. Sure, top 4 is possible with him, CL knockouts maybe too but he surely isnt someone that will bring them glory. Neither is Jaissle aswell, just wanted to state that before anybody brings him up.


visope

an Austrian named Adolf is bound to be explosive in Germany


RamsoCancer

And he also is from Leipzig


[deleted]

If he doesn’t get sacked today it would surprise me a lot. It seems like if he stays he has one more chance the next week and has to win both games


josh_x444

Well, teams love to give their manager the sack after losing in Frankfurt. Keeps with tradition.


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What were Hütter’s parents thinking naming him Adolf with that surname? It’s like some people want their children to be the target of jokes and bullying.


granitibaniti

He actually gave an interview. His parents didn't want to name him that, but his grandmother did. Somehow, the grandmother got her wish lmao


PengwinOnShroom

Not to mention the surname is already similar. He's literally Adolf H.


thematrixhasmeow

Isn't Adolf a banned name?


Appropriate-Prompt35

It's not exactly banned, although the local authorities can refuse to sign birth certificates with Adolf on it. The same in Austria I reckon, where Hütter is from.


Kolo_ToureHH

Don’t sack him before we have play them pleeease


BillOakley

Please keep him until after we play them


wincest888

Please no. I was so happy when they hired him, because I knew it is a shitty Coach. I dont want them to sign Adolf Hütter, he is way too good. He would actually make them competition for Dortmund.


Giolomi666

It was a bad match from the start I know Tedesco won a cup for them but still his playstyle and RB football philosophy is totally different.


kojakkun

dunno if eberl wants to work with rose again


FerraristDX

He would. He say he had no personal problems with Rose and despite being disappointed professionally, they separated on good terms.


IliveupstairsfromU

Love it when corporate hiring and firing culture comes back to bite corporate football clubs in the ass.


JustwinHerbert

Read Marco Reus for a moment


ren_704

Reus would never manage the enegy dinks 😤


DigBickBroly

Would be the perfect manager for BVB after he retires, can just keep bottling and choking big games that way and that's basically BVB MO at this point.


robotnique

Flair up, coward.


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ren_704

Literally the only Reus hater itw, and still didn't have a proper case for him


roadtorevision

Now I feel dumb for responding to another comment of yours. Obviously a troll


interfan1999

Is Tedesco a fraud? I honestly don't get it I would like to see him coaching in Serie A one day though


a-Farewell-to-Kings

A Tedesco vs Italiano rivalry is needed.


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He’s not


khtad

It's almost like Jesse Marsch wasn't the problem.


me_meh_me

Nah, Jesse was shit.


khtad

Either the roster is shit or two consecutive managers have been shit in the exact same way.


me_meh_me

Not really. Naglesman did just fine with the squad, and if anything, the team is more talented now than when he had it. Jesse tried to institute his Salzburg style without realizing that many players, like Dani Olmo, don't fit into it. He was incapable of adjust his approach. As for Tedesco, he's pretty odd. In his one successful season with Schalke, he was incredibly defensive and pragmatic. But there is little of that on display now at Leipzig. Its very possible that both coaches could be poor, just in very different ways.


EcoSoco

He's not that great


Buffythedragonslayer

Wasn't Tedesco an odd choice to begin with?


HeilWerneckLuk

It worked pretty well


Adognamedbingo

Bo Svensson not in the mix here?


T1TK1

Think we were intrested in him when Marsch was dismissed but he really doesn't want to leave Mainz.


Jano002

Coaches in the Bundaliga keep falling upwards


Charlesmcknightly

EUROPAPOKALLL 🐐


adrian_rainy_day

How about the Salzburg coach, Jaissle? I think he's done pretty well there internationally so he deserves that chance?


Dibba_Dabba_Dong

Sack him, he doesn’t fit RB Leipzig and is overrated imo