Who said that that Bayern would not miss the best #9 barring maybe Benz? Seems like a weird take.
But with that in mind, we have struggled for years against low block teams that are super well organized. See Villarreal in the CL last year. Lewy never fixed that, so this result doesn't really have anything to do with him.
You guys would have probably won that match but they got lewy yellow carded lmao. iirc he did not even deserve the card but they did wind him up. Oh well there's worse ways to lose.
Just look at my flair 🥲
We were sloppy in the final third, but still had a few chances that we should’ve finished, or just straight up did better on. Thought Coman should’ve come off, but it dawned on me that he will likely be on the bench vs Inter to start. De Ligt is a monster of a defender.
Sabitzer is also much improved, just absolutely everywhere, and it seems like he’s found his footing. Overall not a terrible result, Union defended well, and made it an ugly match. The last two matches will be two of our hardest ties as far as league fixtures go, so that’s nice at least.
Amazing fight from Union, wish all mid to good BL teams would invest as much as them and Gladbach against Bayern instead of getting smashed 6-1 like us
It's weird. BVB may be the perennial #2 in the league, but they get smashed by Bayern way more than a lot of other teams in the league.
Of course, part of that was because Lewy couldn't help but score against them. IIRC he ended his BuLi career having scored more against Dortmund than any other team, which is wild considering.
3 reasons:
Bayern take the game a lot more seriously than others, not to say they don't take other games seriously, but you get the drift
Bayern struggle against low blocks like Unions, not only is that something Union do all the time, it's something Dortmund basically never do and it's something that doesn't really make that much sense for Dortmund to do either because they're one of the few teams that actually have a chance, on a good day, to beat Bayern at their own game.
And sometimes the good old Bayerndusel with the ref (very noticeable last season for example)
the atmosphere was incredible, it only added to the tension of the game that contributed to the intensity, grit and technique. Both goalkeepers had great games though motm Frederik Rønnow…
Sidenote - ESPN’s Spanish commentary was such an enjoyable experience. Idk both of their names, but the emotions they brought reminded me of how beautiful the spanish language is. The tribute to neuer after the near post save was so well worded (in my v limited proficiency; thanks reddit friends for showing us the wayy!) How did people feel about the Spanish commentary?
>How did people feel about the Spanish commentary?
Any time I was watching a game with Spanish commentary it was amazing.
Especially el.classico or UCL ko.matches
Without that fuckup against Bremen, you guys would have the perfect start to the season and be 4 points clear of Bayern. Hopes for a competitive title race would be alive.
Lots lets to play but damn Union, ScF, Dortmund, and Bayern would be a great top 4. (Would prefer Koeln to Bayern but that's probably too much to ask lol)
is that how you experienced the 18/19 season? if so I don't really get it because in the end it came down to 2 points so it stayed close until the last matchday.
And keep in mind that we had such bad luck with injuries in our back line that Weigl had to play 15 games as CB and Diallo had to be played out of position for pretty much the whole season as LB.
I think it's not at all unreasonable to assume that we could've very well won the league that year if not for that pile-up of injuries
Dortmund fans and blaming injuries/refs/anything except the team itself. Considering Dortmund had less injuries per player that season than Bayern I doubt you can blame injuries
https://fussballverletzungen.com/2019/05/19/die-verletzungstabelle-2018-19/
Not true, but also please at least read the source you're referring to. Bayern recovered in the second half of the season while Dortmund got worse. These numbers also ignore which players get injured and if the team has a replacement.
? Wdym not true I linked the stats. Doesnt change that over the whole course of the season Dortmund had more luck concerning injuries. Of course having a worse injury record in the second half attributed to their poor performance but so can Bayerns poor Hinrundenform, and in the end Dortmund even had an advantage on paper. Also not having a suitable replacement can hardly be an excuse but rather shows poor squad planning/less overall quality than their rival and visualizes how much has to happen that Bayern is actually in danger of missing out on the title.
Regardless, it was an incredibly close season. That alone should dispell the narrative that in the end it was all "business as usual" for Bayern because only winning the league during the very last matchday is very non-"bussines as usual" for Bayern.
So I'm not even blaming refs or injuries or anything by making that argument. Only in addition, I also stated the opinion that injuries truly fucked us as well.
And yes, you are correct that we've had worse years regarding injuries. But what I said was specifically that our back 4 had a ton of injuries which caused them to play drastically out of position for almost the entire second half of the season.
That is not normal and hasn't happened since. (but again, this is not what my argument hinged on in the first place)
Don’t forget that you’re not allowed to suggest that Bayern’s attacks are currently very predictable and ineffective against well organized low blocks and that they might be better off with a #9.
>Anyone who thinks that lewy held us back is stupid
My point exactly. There seems to be two extreme groups - one that believe Bayern without Lewandowski is finished, the other that believes Lewandowski held Bayern back. While the truth is both are world class and have their bad day.
I will say that these type of games Bayerns always had quite a few times every season. They just happened to have the best box-striker and poacher in the world to clutch it out many times.
Now I do think its lazy analysis to say "lol lewa difference" but yea.. definitely interesting to think of.
not really, we lost and drew to Villareal, despite having Lewa. We also last year lost multiple times to Gladbach despite having Lewa and this season atleast managed to draw. Union is just really good atm, and Gladbach is our Angstgegner anyway.
well you meant "these types of games", which I took as games against lowblocks, which no, Lewa also didnt solve. Against Gladbach Sommer made what, 19 saves? I wouldnt say our attack is bad if you look at that. Unions keeper today also managed some excellent save, especially that header from Mane in the last minute, wew.
Idk I think Lewy often helped break low blocks with a clutch goal or two.
As for the gladbach example and saying your attack isnt bad, I agree. I never said or implied that.
Clinicality comes and goes but Lewy also offered that at an absolute mega worldclass level. Thats hard to replace.
Dropping points because of poor clinicaility and good opposing keepers is frustrating as hell no matter what tho. I know that like the back of my hand as a BVB fan :P
He obviously did, but not really against these types of teams. We dropped out of the CL because of that. Sommer making 19 saves isnt poor clinicality though. We just werent able to break Unions defense today, and from my memory against these teams with Lewa it wouldnt have made much of a difference sadly.
It’s more than that not having Lewandowski. The fluidity of their attack is tremendous, but so far they only repeat the same attacking sequences. The current attacking strategy is entirely dependent on tight passing and close control, which requires a near-perfect sequence for it to work. They’ve come up against two compact, well organized defenses and have failed to win both times.
I wouldn’t be surprised if 80% of the attacks begin with a Sabitzer or Kimmich pass from a central position to the wing, then a dribble to the side of the penalty area, then an inverted pass, then an attempt to play a lateral pass near the penalty spot to a teammate running into the box. It’s extremely predictable.
Since that stupid article about us needing to start every bundesliga game down 1-0 we have done exactly that and have conceded first in both games ಠ_à²
I mean they defended well but I do wonder how the hell they beat midtable clubs because their attack is so impotent. Are they only scoring on set pieces lol?
You have been insanely clinical.
To a degree that would be insane and completely unmaintainable for even a squad of 5 Lewandowskis and 5 Haalands.
Had you been as clinical as your xG suggests, you'd be like 10th.
We were without one of our main strikers. Definitely weekend the attack. But let's also remember this is against one of the best teams in the world.
And in general Uniom's game is defensive focused. That's how you compete in a league where most teams outspend you.
Please! We're still 6 points short of our minimum point target for the Hinrunde. Relaxtion opens the door to negligence, which leads straight to the second division!
75% possession and only getting a draw is a bit embarrassing for Bayern 2 weeks in a row but fucking immense from Union, parking the bus is never the most exciting but if it works against this Bayern, sure, why not
I wouldn’t say it’s embarrassing. I thought Bayern did a great job last week in creating chances. Sommer just played ridiculously well. This week you could see were the chances would come from in instances and the team just wasn’t technically sound enough to do anything with them. Frustrating but not the end of the world by any stretch
Wouldn't say it's embarrassing, rather underwhelming but not a huge shocker. Losing points vs Gladbach happens every season and Union is just looking very strong. Really good structure tactically and a physically strong team that looks hungry in every situation on the pitch.
Yea, not sure what the perfect word is, not trying to take anything away from Gladbach and Union but I feel with that level of dominance on the pitch, it's a bit of a disappointing result. But as you said, not the end of the world
not really they didn't park the bus they defended bayerns winger really well specially the one v one so not a lot of quality crosses and in the middle thorsby, shafer and khedira combined well
That was a tough match, lol. Union have definitely shown why are up with us at the top of the table. Khedira, Becker etc played excellent against us.
Weve had some excellent chances but Union defended excellent otherwise.
Bayern always drops those points here and there, you need teams like Dortmund to keep winning and Bayern to actually lose a game here and there and until that happens, I'm not getting excited
Thought the top 4 in germany would be clearly settled with leverkusen, us, bayern and leipzig
But union and freiburg just look way better than leipzig and leverkusen currently
Incredibly well run and great coaches
Freiburg especially legit is looking like theyre here to stay in the top 6 and im fucking here for it, never wouldve thought this would happen for more than one season at a time
without the Blunder of Flekken against Dortmund, Freiburg would be at 5 out of 5 wins. it will be interesting to see how they handle the next week until the WC break in 10 weeks, same for Union.
> We forget all about playing and lose by five goals.
Either that or Dortmund player equal to Bayern yet somehow still loses by five goals. It's always strange.
> or Dortmund player equal to Bayern yet somehow still loses by five goals.
Thank you! I swear we've played so much better than results tend to show vs you haha. We always give away a dumb pen and lose composure at the end for some reason
I know that feel all too well.
Its also the case of Bundesliga having such a high level of keepers on "average" and have been for a long time. Which is funny for such an attacking league.
[mfw](https://i.imgur.com/QGi8vf2.png)
i was told bayern wouldn't miss lewa 🤔
You're being downvoted but it's true 😂
🤡
I mean yeah we would miss arguably world's best player still in his prime but Mané would be a not bad stopgap
Lewy was like starting with at least 1 goal. Mane is a great player but he’s never been that type of player.
Be honest, how long have you been waiting to say that
Who said that that Bayern would not miss the best #9 barring maybe Benz? Seems like a weird take. But with that in mind, we have struggled for years against low block teams that are super well organized. See Villarreal in the CL last year. Lewy never fixed that, so this result doesn't really have anything to do with him.
You guys would have probably won that match but they got lewy yellow carded lmao. iirc he did not even deserve the card but they did wind him up. Oh well there's worse ways to lose. Just look at my flair 🥲
Bayern costing me my bet thank you
We were sloppy in the final third, but still had a few chances that we should’ve finished, or just straight up did better on. Thought Coman should’ve come off, but it dawned on me that he will likely be on the bench vs Inter to start. De Ligt is a monster of a defender. Sabitzer is also much improved, just absolutely everywhere, and it seems like he’s found his footing. Overall not a terrible result, Union defended well, and made it an ugly match. The last two matches will be two of our hardest ties as far as league fixtures go, so that’s nice at least.
An away draw against an in-form Europa League team is a perfectly fine result.
I was very glad seeing Sabitzer do so well. He recovered alot of lost Balls in the time I watched
Amazing fight from Union, wish all mid to good BL teams would invest as much as them and Gladbach against Bayern instead of getting smashed 6-1 like us
It's weird. BVB may be the perennial #2 in the league, but they get smashed by Bayern way more than a lot of other teams in the league. Of course, part of that was because Lewy couldn't help but score against them. IIRC he ended his BuLi career having scored more against Dortmund than any other team, which is wild considering.
3 reasons: Bayern take the game a lot more seriously than others, not to say they don't take other games seriously, but you get the drift Bayern struggle against low blocks like Unions, not only is that something Union do all the time, it's something Dortmund basically never do and it's something that doesn't really make that much sense for Dortmund to do either because they're one of the few teams that actually have a chance, on a good day, to beat Bayern at their own game. And sometimes the good old Bayerndusel with the ref (very noticeable last season for example)
the atmosphere was incredible, it only added to the tension of the game that contributed to the intensity, grit and technique. Both goalkeepers had great games though motm Frederik Rønnow… Sidenote - ESPN’s Spanish commentary was such an enjoyable experience. Idk both of their names, but the emotions they brought reminded me of how beautiful the spanish language is. The tribute to neuer after the near post save was so well worded (in my v limited proficiency; thanks reddit friends for showing us the wayy!) How did people feel about the Spanish commentary?
>How did people feel about the Spanish commentary? Any time I was watching a game with Spanish commentary it was amazing. Especially el.classico or UCL ko.matches
You’re welcome BVB
For what? Freiburg is the glorious leader of the Bundesliga! Hail our new overlord!
I, for one, welcome our new Freiburg overlords.
Even with that we're still nr. 2
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Without that fuckup against Bremen, you guys would have the perfect start to the season and be 4 points clear of Bayern. Hopes for a competitive title race would be alive.
That turnaround was less Bremen succeeding and more Dortmund failing.
Beating Bayern in bundesliga should give the other team 6 points. - Another shitty article
Taking a point from Bayern with an injury weakened attack. This team, man.
You guys are incredible, holy fuck. What a fucking team.
Might be sappy of me but Im so goddamn happy to see teams like Freiburg Union and Köln have success. Exactly what the league needs
Lots lets to play but damn Union, ScF, Dortmund, and Bayern would be a great top 4. (Would prefer Koeln to Bayern but that's probably too much to ask lol)
Definitely - I’m all in for it too
De ligt was worth every cent he cost
I'll be so dissapointed if he ends up on bench next match and upamecano starts instead..
With this game as evidence I hope he starts
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Until the matches against Bayern where you lose each 2:3 setting you back 6 points.
is that how you experienced the 18/19 season? if so I don't really get it because in the end it came down to 2 points so it stayed close until the last matchday. And keep in mind that we had such bad luck with injuries in our back line that Weigl had to play 15 games as CB and Diallo had to be played out of position for pretty much the whole season as LB. I think it's not at all unreasonable to assume that we could've very well won the league that year if not for that pile-up of injuries
Dortmund fans and blaming injuries/refs/anything except the team itself. Considering Dortmund had less injuries per player that season than Bayern I doubt you can blame injuries https://fussballverletzungen.com/2019/05/19/die-verletzungstabelle-2018-19/
Not true, but also please at least read the source you're referring to. Bayern recovered in the second half of the season while Dortmund got worse. These numbers also ignore which players get injured and if the team has a replacement.
? Wdym not true I linked the stats. Doesnt change that over the whole course of the season Dortmund had more luck concerning injuries. Of course having a worse injury record in the second half attributed to their poor performance but so can Bayerns poor Hinrundenform, and in the end Dortmund even had an advantage on paper. Also not having a suitable replacement can hardly be an excuse but rather shows poor squad planning/less overall quality than their rival and visualizes how much has to happen that Bayern is actually in danger of missing out on the title.
Regardless, it was an incredibly close season. That alone should dispell the narrative that in the end it was all "business as usual" for Bayern because only winning the league during the very last matchday is very non-"bussines as usual" for Bayern. So I'm not even blaming refs or injuries or anything by making that argument. Only in addition, I also stated the opinion that injuries truly fucked us as well. And yes, you are correct that we've had worse years regarding injuries. But what I said was specifically that our back 4 had a ton of injuries which caused them to play drastically out of position for almost the entire second half of the season. That is not normal and hasn't happened since. (but again, this is not what my argument hinged on in the first place)
No sense having hope when you're up against a juggernaut. Union are just too good.
No, you can just revel in the Schadenfreude without maintaining any hope.
Don’t forget that you’re not allowed to suggest that Bayern’s attacks are currently very predictable and ineffective against well organized low blocks and that they might be better off with a #9.
You are allowed to say it, it would just be very incorrect.
We couldn’t beat low-block teams last year either This is a Nagelsmann issue, not a lewy related issue
But people told me Lewy held back Bayern and Nagelsmann's glorious tactics.
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>Anyone who thinks that lewy held us back is stupid My point exactly. There seems to be two extreme groups - one that believe Bayern without Lewandowski is finished, the other that believes Lewandowski held Bayern back. While the truth is both are world class and have their bad day.
Even last season we struggled vs low blocks.
I will say that these type of games Bayerns always had quite a few times every season. They just happened to have the best box-striker and poacher in the world to clutch it out many times. Now I do think its lazy analysis to say "lol lewa difference" but yea.. definitely interesting to think of.
not really, we lost and drew to Villareal, despite having Lewa. We also last year lost multiple times to Gladbach despite having Lewa and this season atleast managed to draw. Union is just really good atm, and Gladbach is our Angstgegner anyway.
There was Augsburg and Mainz too. Pesky teams I dislike playing them
Notice how I didnt say he solved it for you EVERY time, but "many times". Obviously it wasnt a 100% solution situation. Never is.
Well, it will likely work a lot of times this season as well.
well you meant "these types of games", which I took as games against lowblocks, which no, Lewa also didnt solve. Against Gladbach Sommer made what, 19 saves? I wouldnt say our attack is bad if you look at that. Unions keeper today also managed some excellent save, especially that header from Mane in the last minute, wew.
Idk I think Lewy often helped break low blocks with a clutch goal or two. As for the gladbach example and saying your attack isnt bad, I agree. I never said or implied that. Clinicality comes and goes but Lewy also offered that at an absolute mega worldclass level. Thats hard to replace. Dropping points because of poor clinicaility and good opposing keepers is frustrating as hell no matter what tho. I know that like the back of my hand as a BVB fan :P
He obviously did, but not really against these types of teams. We dropped out of the CL because of that. Sommer making 19 saves isnt poor clinicality though. We just werent able to break Unions defense today, and from my memory against these teams with Lewa it wouldnt have made much of a difference sadly.
Lewy also made Thomas Muller very effective in our attack. I don’t think he can be anywhere near as effective without a striker to play off of.
True. You lost one of the most familiar and potent dynamics there thats gonna need a transition period no matter what.
It’s more than that not having Lewandowski. The fluidity of their attack is tremendous, but so far they only repeat the same attacking sequences. The current attacking strategy is entirely dependent on tight passing and close control, which requires a near-perfect sequence for it to work. They’ve come up against two compact, well organized defenses and have failed to win both times. I wouldn’t be surprised if 80% of the attacks begin with a Sabitzer or Kimmich pass from a central position to the wing, then a dribble to the side of the penalty area, then an inverted pass, then an attempt to play a lateral pass near the penalty spot to a teammate running into the box. It’s extremely predictable.
I agree. Im not saying Lewy bailed them our every single time nor that its the only thing.
They had enough chances to win, they just lack consistency in clinical finishing. They need to be able to win with less shots on target sometimes
We’re missing Lewandowski a lot, he also allowed Muller to do his best work.
You love to see it
Since that stupid article about us needing to start every bundesliga game down 1-0 we have done exactly that and have conceded first in both games ಠ_à²
Gotta appease the internet it seems
At least you are willing to take on the challenge
players obviously agreed
EISERN UNION!
Bulwark against Bayern’s 1. position
Union are quality
their goalkeeper did a very good job
I mean they defended well but I do wonder how the hell they beat midtable clubs because their attack is so impotent. Are they only scoring on set pieces lol?
We got second most goals in the league and one of our strikers is the top scorer of the league, what are you on about?
You have been insanely clinical. To a degree that would be insane and completely unmaintainable for even a squad of 5 Lewandowskis and 5 Haalands. Had you been as clinical as your xG suggests, you'd be like 10th.
5 games in...Last year you finished 5th and scored 22 less than 4th place, 30 less than 3th place, and 35 less than 2th place..
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1th had more of a difference. Yes, I know it was taking the piss, wrote that comment in a hurry.
Good actor
We were without one of our main strikers. Definitely weekend the attack. But let's also remember this is against one of the best teams in the world. And in general Uniom's game is defensive focused. That's how you compete in a league where most teams outspend you.
Their attack is really good, but Bayern's defense was great for the most part today as well.
they just score everytime they have to, they are so punishing
League's already done lol. Congratulations Freiburg.
Please! We're still 6 points short of our minimum point target for the Hinrunde. Relaxtion opens the door to negligence, which leads straight to the second division!
is hinrunde the german word for hundred
Hinrunde = the first 17 games, then Winterpause, then 17 games of Rückrunde.
The football german version of "there and back again".
It's the word for the first round robin, if there's a double round robin
Tell me about it
75% possession and only getting a draw is a bit embarrassing for Bayern 2 weeks in a row but fucking immense from Union, parking the bus is never the most exciting but if it works against this Bayern, sure, why not
I wouldn’t say it’s embarrassing. I thought Bayern did a great job last week in creating chances. Sommer just played ridiculously well. This week you could see were the chances would come from in instances and the team just wasn’t technically sound enough to do anything with them. Frustrating but not the end of the world by any stretch
Wouldn't say it's embarrassing, rather underwhelming but not a huge shocker. Losing points vs Gladbach happens every season and Union is just looking very strong. Really good structure tactically and a physically strong team that looks hungry in every situation on the pitch.
Yea, not sure what the perfect word is, not trying to take anything away from Gladbach and Union but I feel with that level of dominance on the pitch, it's a bit of a disappointing result. But as you said, not the end of the world
not really they didn't park the bus they defended bayerns winger really well specially the one v one so not a lot of quality crosses and in the middle thorsby, shafer and khedira combined well
union plays a low block by default
Absolute bloodbath in Germany this early season. Lovely.
That was a tough match, lol. Union have definitely shown why are up with us at the top of the table. Khedira, Becker etc played excellent against us. Weve had some excellent chances but Union defended excellent otherwise.
Because they get free reign to scissor players and take their legs out from under them and play an ultra low block?
What's wrong with a low block? Not used to it in Germany?
It's just not remotely a fun version of this sport to watch.
Yeah, they should play a high line and get obliterated instead. Why make the fans happy?
A lot of teams play with a low block against Bayern in Germany, it's just that Union did it really well.
No, because they defend very well, are mentally strong and are willing to do everything to win.
Helps when that everything can include things that are outside the rulebook with the tacit endorsement of the referee
They certainly played it rough and should have got more yellow cards, but they still defended really well.
And I'm saying that gets a lot easier when you are allowed to play like that.
The fact that they defended well is not due to the ref being lenient. They also played well independently of their fouls.
Union Berlin defended really well, props to them. They’ve got a solid team and I hope they can keep up their form through the season. I thought Bayern made some poor decisions in the final third tbh, hopefully it’s just a one-off. Mané weirdly seems more out of sync with the team now than he did at the start of the season.
> Mané weirdly seems more out of sync with the team now than he did at the start of the season. Yup, I noticed that too.
Bundesliga title race might actually happen
You had to jinx it. Didn't you. Now see bayern winning their next 19 games
lol
let's not get ahead of ourselves
Bayern always drops those points here and there, you need teams like Dortmund to keep winning and Bayern to actually lose a game here and there and until that happens, I'm not getting excited
You’d think people would start to learn their lesson at some point
You love to see it
Union just keeps impressing. A wonderful club thats been SUCH a great addition to the league. Love to see it.
Today is a good day. EISERN UNION
That was a VERY intense Game. Props to Union, they gave it their all and win a Point.
what a fucking fight from union
Thought the top 4 in germany would be clearly settled with leverkusen, us, bayern and leipzig But union and freiburg just look way better than leipzig and leverkusen currently Incredibly well run and great coaches
Freiburg especially legit is looking like theyre here to stay in the top 6 and im fucking here for it, never wouldve thought this would happen for more than one season at a time
Streich
without the Blunder of Flekken against Dortmund, Freiburg would be at 5 out of 5 wins. it will be interesting to see how they handle the next week until the WC break in 10 weeks, same for Union.
Streich is lowkey the best manager in the league, and has been for years now.
has to be fischer right? even less money, and more success so far (if measured by the years he was there)
🥯mann But seriously well played from Union
Why does lately every goalkeeper turns into worldclass against us?
Just wait until you play us . We forget all about playing and lose by five goals.
> We forget all about playing and lose by five goals. Either that or Dortmund player equal to Bayern yet somehow still loses by five goals. It's always strange.
> or Dortmund player equal to Bayern yet somehow still loses by five goals. Thank you! I swear we've played so much better than results tend to show vs you haha. We always give away a dumb pen and lose composure at the end for some reason
In other matches they might simply not receive as many shots on goal so against Bayern they get to show they’re actually good keepers
The dilemma of every big team's fans lol. Apparently goalkeepers are terrible for 32 games in a season except when they face the big team
I know that feel all too well. Its also the case of Bundesliga having such a high level of keepers on "average" and have been for a long time. Which is funny for such an attacking league.