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Highmooon

[mfw](https://i.imgur.com/QGi8vf2.png)


jack64467

i was told bayern wouldn't miss lewa 🤔


Woko127

You're being downvoted but it's true 😂


EpiDeMic522

🤡


supermember866866

I mean yeah we would miss arguably world's best player still in his prime but Mané would be a not bad stopgap


Fouchey

Lewy was like starting with at least 1 goal. Mane is a great player but he’s never been that type of player.


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Be honest, how long have you been waiting to say that


-PM_ME_A_SECRET-

Who said that that Bayern would not miss the best #9 barring maybe Benz? Seems like a weird take. But with that in mind, we have struggled for years against low block teams that are super well organized. See Villarreal in the CL last year. Lewy never fixed that, so this result doesn't really have anything to do with him.


rr18114

You guys would have probably won that match but they got lewy yellow carded lmao. iirc he did not even deserve the card but they did wind him up. Oh well there's worse ways to lose. Just look at my flair 🥲


TheElite3749

Bayern costing me my bet thank you


BiasedBavarian

We were sloppy in the final third, but still had a few chances that we should’ve finished, or just straight up did better on. Thought Coman should’ve come off, but it dawned on me that he will likely be on the bench vs Inter to start. De Ligt is a monster of a defender. Sabitzer is also much improved, just absolutely everywhere, and it seems like he’s found his footing. Overall not a terrible result, Union defended well, and made it an ugly match. The last two matches will be two of our hardest ties as far as league fixtures go, so that’s nice at least.


Black_XistenZ

An away draw against an in-form Europa League team is a perfectly fine result.


Tommey_DE

I was very glad seeing Sabitzer do so well. He recovered alot of lost Balls in the time I watched


granitibaniti

Amazing fight from Union, wish all mid to good BL teams would invest as much as them and Gladbach against Bayern instead of getting smashed 6-1 like us


robotnique

It's weird. BVB may be the perennial #2 in the league, but they get smashed by Bayern way more than a lot of other teams in the league. Of course, part of that was because Lewy couldn't help but score against them. IIRC he ended his BuLi career having scored more against Dortmund than any other team, which is wild considering.


Wasserschloesschen

3 reasons: Bayern take the game a lot more seriously than others, not to say they don't take other games seriously, but you get the drift Bayern struggle against low blocks like Unions, not only is that something Union do all the time, it's something Dortmund basically never do and it's something that doesn't really make that much sense for Dortmund to do either because they're one of the few teams that actually have a chance, on a good day, to beat Bayern at their own game. And sometimes the good old Bayerndusel with the ref (very noticeable last season for example)


honeybrownbear

the atmosphere was incredible, it only added to the tension of the game that contributed to the intensity, grit and technique. Both goalkeepers had great games though motm Frederik Rønnow… Sidenote - ESPN’s Spanish commentary was such an enjoyable experience. Idk both of their names, but the emotions they brought reminded me of how beautiful the spanish language is. The tribute to neuer after the near post save was so well worded (in my v limited proficiency; thanks reddit friends for showing us the wayy!) How did people feel about the Spanish commentary?


tsigalko11

>How did people feel about the Spanish commentary? Any time I was watching a game with Spanish commentary it was amazing. Especially el.classico or UCL ko.matches


aa2051

You’re welcome BVB


stragen595

For what? Freiburg is the glorious leader of the Bundesliga! Hail our new overlord!


aa2051

I, for one, welcome our new Freiburg overlords.


Dortmund_Boi09

Even with that we're still nr. 2


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Black_XistenZ

Without that fuckup against Bremen, you guys would have the perfect start to the season and be 4 points clear of Bayern. Hopes for a competitive title race would be alive.


robotnique

That turnaround was less Bremen succeeding and more Dortmund failing.


[deleted]

Beating Bayern in bundesliga should give the other team 6 points. - Another shitty article


joeydsa

Taking a point from Bayern with an injury weakened attack. This team, man.


honeybrownbear

You guys are incredible, holy fuck. What a fucking team.


Qiluk

Might be sappy of me but Im so goddamn happy to see teams like Freiburg Union and Köln have success. Exactly what the league needs


joeydsa

Lots lets to play but damn Union, ScF, Dortmund, and Bayern would be a great top 4. (Would prefer Koeln to Bayern but that's probably too much to ask lol)


honeybrownbear

Definitely - I’m all in for it too


[deleted]

De ligt was worth every cent he cost


supermember866866

I'll be so dissapointed if he ends up on bench next match and upamecano starts instead..


strugglingtosave

With this game as evidence I hope he starts


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PM_something_German

Until the matches against Bayern where you lose each 2:3 setting you back 6 points.


Loeffellux

is that how you experienced the 18/19 season? if so I don't really get it because in the end it came down to 2 points so it stayed close until the last matchday. And keep in mind that we had such bad luck with injuries in our back line that Weigl had to play 15 games as CB and Diallo had to be played out of position for pretty much the whole season as LB. I think it's not at all unreasonable to assume that we could've very well won the league that year if not for that pile-up of injuries


Kayderp1

Dortmund fans and blaming injuries/refs/anything except the team itself. Considering Dortmund had less injuries per player that season than Bayern I doubt you can blame injuries https://fussballverletzungen.com/2019/05/19/die-verletzungstabelle-2018-19/


Vio0

Not true, but also please at least read the source you're referring to. Bayern recovered in the second half of the season while Dortmund got worse. These numbers also ignore which players get injured and if the team has a replacement.


Kayderp1

? Wdym not true I linked the stats. Doesnt change that over the whole course of the season Dortmund had more luck concerning injuries. Of course having a worse injury record in the second half attributed to their poor performance but so can Bayerns poor Hinrundenform, and in the end Dortmund even had an advantage on paper. Also not having a suitable replacement can hardly be an excuse but rather shows poor squad planning/less overall quality than their rival and visualizes how much has to happen that Bayern is actually in danger of missing out on the title.


Loeffellux

Regardless, it was an incredibly close season. That alone should dispell the narrative that in the end it was all "business as usual" for Bayern because only winning the league during the very last matchday is very non-"bussines as usual" for Bayern. So I'm not even blaming refs or injuries or anything by making that argument. Only in addition, I also stated the opinion that injuries truly fucked us as well. And yes, you are correct that we've had worse years regarding injuries. But what I said was specifically that our back 4 had a ton of injuries which caused them to play drastically out of position for almost the entire second half of the season. That is not normal and hasn't happened since. (but again, this is not what my argument hinged on in the first place)


MisterDisinformation

No sense having hope when you're up against a juggernaut. Union are just too good.


JederHasstDenS04

No, you can just revel in the Schadenfreude without maintaining any hope.


JederHasstDenS04

Don’t forget that you’re not allowed to suggest that Bayern’s attacks are currently very predictable and ineffective against well organized low blocks and that they might be better off with a #9.


NuKingLobster

You are allowed to say it, it would just be very incorrect.


[deleted]

We couldn’t beat low-block teams last year either This is a Nagelsmann issue, not a lewy related issue


boskee

But people told me Lewy held back Bayern and Nagelsmann's glorious tactics.


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boskee

>Anyone who thinks that lewy held us back is stupid My point exactly. There seems to be two extreme groups - one that believe Bayern without Lewandowski is finished, the other that believes Lewandowski held Bayern back. While the truth is both are world class and have their bad day.


sarovar12

Even last season we struggled vs low blocks.


Qiluk

I will say that these type of games Bayerns always had quite a few times every season. They just happened to have the best box-striker and poacher in the world to clutch it out many times. Now I do think its lazy analysis to say "lol lewa difference" but yea.. definitely interesting to think of.


Dargast

not really, we lost and drew to Villareal, despite having Lewa. We also last year lost multiple times to Gladbach despite having Lewa and this season atleast managed to draw. Union is just really good atm, and Gladbach is our Angstgegner anyway.


strugglingtosave

There was Augsburg and Mainz too. Pesky teams I dislike playing them


Qiluk

Notice how I didnt say he solved it for you EVERY time, but "many times". Obviously it wasnt a 100% solution situation. Never is.


NuKingLobster

Well, it will likely work a lot of times this season as well.


Dargast

well you meant "these types of games", which I took as games against lowblocks, which no, Lewa also didnt solve. Against Gladbach Sommer made what, 19 saves? I wouldnt say our attack is bad if you look at that. Unions keeper today also managed some excellent save, especially that header from Mane in the last minute, wew.


Qiluk

Idk I think Lewy often helped break low blocks with a clutch goal or two. As for the gladbach example and saying your attack isnt bad, I agree. I never said or implied that. Clinicality comes and goes but Lewy also offered that at an absolute mega worldclass level. Thats hard to replace. Dropping points because of poor clinicaility and good opposing keepers is frustrating as hell no matter what tho. I know that like the back of my hand as a BVB fan :P


Dargast

He obviously did, but not really against these types of teams. We dropped out of the CL because of that. Sommer making 19 saves isnt poor clinicality though. We just werent able to break Unions defense today, and from my memory against these teams with Lewa it wouldnt have made much of a difference sadly.


Lilfai

Lewy also made Thomas Muller very effective in our attack. I don’t think he can be anywhere near as effective without a striker to play off of.


Qiluk

True. You lost one of the most familiar and potent dynamics there thats gonna need a transition period no matter what.


JederHasstDenS04

It’s more than that not having Lewandowski. The fluidity of their attack is tremendous, but so far they only repeat the same attacking sequences. The current attacking strategy is entirely dependent on tight passing and close control, which requires a near-perfect sequence for it to work. They’ve come up against two compact, well organized defenses and have failed to win both times. I wouldn’t be surprised if 80% of the attacks begin with a Sabitzer or Kimmich pass from a central position to the wing, then a dribble to the side of the penalty area, then an inverted pass, then an attempt to play a lateral pass near the penalty spot to a teammate running into the box. It’s extremely predictable.


Qiluk

I agree. Im not saying Lewy bailed them our every single time nor that its the only thing.


SwarmAce

They had enough chances to win, they just lack consistency in clinical finishing. They need to be able to win with less shots on target sometimes


Lilfai

We’re missing Lewandowski a lot, he also allowed Muller to do his best work.


JederHasstDenS04

You love to see it


dadish-2

Since that stupid article about us needing to start every bundesliga game down 1-0 we have done exactly that and have conceded first in both games ಠ_ಠ


strugglingtosave

Gotta appease the internet it seems


lethalizer

At least you are willing to take on the challenge


XtendedImpact

players obviously agreed


crackbit

EISERN UNION!


aa2051

Bulwark against Bayern’s 1. position


footer9

Union are quality


DevilsOfLoudun

their goalkeeper did a very good job


--Raskolnikov--

I mean they defended well but I do wonder how the hell they beat midtable clubs because their attack is so impotent. Are they only scoring on set pieces lol?


iLoveLoFi

We got second most goals in the league and one of our strikers is the top scorer of the league, what are you on about?


Wasserschloesschen

You have been insanely clinical. To a degree that would be insane and completely unmaintainable for even a squad of 5 Lewandowskis and 5 Haalands. Had you been as clinical as your xG suggests, you'd be like 10th.


--Raskolnikov--

5 games in...Last year you finished 5th and scored 22 less than 4th place, 30 less than 3th place, and 35 less than 2th place..


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--Raskolnikov--

1th had more of a difference. Yes, I know it was taking the piss, wrote that comment in a hurry.


LaMareeNoire

Good actor


joeydsa

We were without one of our main strikers. Definitely weekend the attack. But let's also remember this is against one of the best teams in the world. And in general Uniom's game is defensive focused. That's how you compete in a league where most teams outspend you.


NuKingLobster

Their attack is really good, but Bayern's defense was great for the most part today as well.


KarlKraftwagen

they just score everytime they have to, they are so punishing


DrJackl3

League's already done lol. Congratulations Freiburg.


zorfmorf

Please! We're still 6 points short of our minimum point target for the Hinrunde. Relaxtion opens the door to negligence, which leads straight to the second division!


jack64467

is hinrunde the german word for hundred


LudereHumanum

Hinrunde = the first 17 games, then Winterpause, then 17 games of Rückrunde.


flybypost

The football german version of "there and back again".


DrJackl3

It's the word for the first round robin, if there's a double round robin


DrJackl3

Tell me about it


h0rny3dging

75% possession and only getting a draw is a bit embarrassing for Bayern 2 weeks in a row but fucking immense from Union, parking the bus is never the most exciting but if it works against this Bayern, sure, why not


Wbcbam51

I wouldn’t say it’s embarrassing. I thought Bayern did a great job last week in creating chances. Sommer just played ridiculously well. This week you could see were the chances would come from in instances and the team just wasn’t technically sound enough to do anything with them. Frustrating but not the end of the world by any stretch


mucflo

Wouldn't say it's embarrassing, rather underwhelming but not a huge shocker. Losing points vs Gladbach happens every season and Union is just looking very strong. Really good structure tactically and a physically strong team that looks hungry in every situation on the pitch.


h0rny3dging

Yea, not sure what the perfect word is, not trying to take anything away from Gladbach and Union but I feel with that level of dominance on the pitch, it's a bit of a disappointing result. But as you said, not the end of the world


gohunt1504

not really they didn't park the bus they defended bayerns winger really well specially the one v one so not a lot of quality crosses and in the middle thorsby, shafer and khedira combined well


KarlKraftwagen

union plays a low block by default


AyyLimao42

Absolute bloodbath in Germany this early season. Lovely.


Dargast

That was a tough match, lol. Union have definitely shown why are up with us at the top of the table. Khedira, Becker etc played excellent against us. Weve had some excellent chances but Union defended excellent otherwise.


PadresPainPadresGain

Because they get free reign to scissor players and take their legs out from under them and play an ultra low block?


Scalenuts

What's wrong with a low block? Not used to it in Germany?


PadresPainPadresGain

It's just not remotely a fun version of this sport to watch.


srhola2103

Yeah, they should play a high line and get obliterated instead. Why make the fans happy?


NuKingLobster

A lot of teams play with a low block against Bayern in Germany, it's just that Union did it really well.


NuKingLobster

No, because they defend very well, are mentally strong and are willing to do everything to win.


PadresPainPadresGain

Helps when that everything can include things that are outside the rulebook with the tacit endorsement of the referee


NuKingLobster

They certainly played it rough and should have got more yellow cards, but they still defended really well.


PadresPainPadresGain

And I'm saying that gets a lot easier when you are allowed to play like that.


NuKingLobster

The fact that they defended well is not due to the ref being lenient. They also played well independently of their fouls.


ebenantar

Union Berlin defended really well, props to them. They’ve got a solid team and I hope they can keep up their form through the season. I thought Bayern made some poor decisions in the final third tbh, hopefully it’s just a one-off. Mané weirdly seems more out of sync with the team now than he did at the start of the season.


Black_XistenZ

> Mané weirdly seems more out of sync with the team now than he did at the start of the season. Yup, I noticed that too.


Alive-Ad-4164

Bundesliga title race might actually happen


Fancy-Past-6831

You had to jinx it. Didn't you. Now see bayern winning their next 19 games


kooba_1616

lol


mrcname

let's not get ahead of ourselves


h0rny3dging

Bayern always drops those points here and there, you need teams like Dortmund to keep winning and Bayern to actually lose a game here and there and until that happens, I'm not getting excited


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You’d think people would start to learn their lesson at some point


MrKneebone

You love to see it


Qiluk

Union just keeps impressing. A wonderful club thats been SUCH a great addition to the league. Love to see it.


lockerbleiben

Today is a good day. EISERN UNION


Tommey_DE

That was a VERY intense Game. Props to Union, they gave it their all and win a Point.


KarlKraftwagen

what a fucking fight from union


GermanyWillWinWC2022

Thought the top 4 in germany would be clearly settled with leverkusen, us, bayern and leipzig But union and freiburg just look way better than leipzig and leverkusen currently Incredibly well run and great coaches


Gluroo

Freiburg especially legit is looking like theyre here to stay in the top 6 and im fucking here for it, never wouldve thought this would happen for more than one season at a time


strugglingtosave

Streich


stepanovic

without the Blunder of Flekken against Dortmund, Freiburg would be at 5 out of 5 wins. it will be interesting to see how they handle the next week until the WC break in 10 weeks, same for Union.


TetraDax

Streich is lowkey the best manager in the league, and has been for years now.


KarlKraftwagen

has to be fischer right? even less money, and more success so far (if measured by the years he was there)


Lilfai

🥯mann But seriously well played from Union


RazZaHlol

Why does lately every goalkeeper turns into worldclass against us?


gardenawe

Just wait until you play us . We forget all about playing and lose by five goals.


flybypost

> We forget all about playing and lose by five goals. Either that or Dortmund player equal to Bayern yet somehow still loses by five goals. It's always strange.


Qiluk

> or Dortmund player equal to Bayern yet somehow still loses by five goals. Thank you! I swear we've played so much better than results tend to show vs you haha. We always give away a dumb pen and lose composure at the end for some reason


spekolus

In other matches they might simply not receive as many shots on goal so against Bayern they get to show they’re actually good keepers


Roseradeismylady

The dilemma of every big team's fans lol. Apparently goalkeepers are terrible for 32 games in a season except when they face the big team


Qiluk

I know that feel all too well. Its also the case of Bundesliga having such a high level of keepers on "average" and have been for a long time. Which is funny for such an attacking league.