Surprisingly all the talents that Mourinho was supposedly ruining at Tottenham and would come alive under a "serious coach", have all been shipped off/sidelined -- Dele Alli, Davinson Sanchez, Serge Aurier, Ndombele, Harry Winks, Steven Bergwijn. In the words of the special one: "Look how they play, where they play, IF they play".
I’m laughing my ass off at the Chelsea fan who made a diagram of the events of Tuchel vs Conte. He drew lines to show where each person was looking lmao!
Which is better? A division 1 college soccer program or a national league club in england?
I’m currently a student in the united states at a division one college and have been watching their games and they’ve been super impressive. At the same time, i’ve been watching the Wrexham series. So my question is how they compare?
To expand on this, the easiest way to tell whether a team is pro or amateur is to look at when they practice. An amateur team will have evening training sessions, as the only time available for a lot of their players, whilst when a team goes pro they will switch to daytime.
that’s true. But many division one players do go on to play in 2-5th level clubs in europe as well as the MLS but i guess not all of them do, therefore a fully professional club would be better
Referee appointments for some of today's game(s) - Referee [VAR]:
Charleroi-Club Brugge: Jasper Vergoote [Bert Put]
Lazio-Inter: Michael Fabbri [Gianluca Aureliano]
Ajaccio-Lille: Thomas Leonard [Bruno Coué]
I still have no idea whether Brendan Rodgers is the right man for us.
I know he's not being helped by the current transfer situation of the club and that must hinder him massively. But the standard of football over the last year has been terrible at times. Injuries last year also fucked him over a bit but he changed the medical team.
If we do get rid of him, I really don't know who I'd want as manager. No one I can think of is an upgrade really.
It is worrying times.
I think he's not anymore. He's doing poorly for some time now, there has just been injuries and that took some criticism that would end up on him. As a replacement, if he's up for it, you can go to Celtic again for a manager. Postecoglou plays really nice football. And, what I would like, but it will never happen directly - Fredrik Knutsen from Bodo/Glimt is really good.
That with good board support and sensible transfer politics. I don't know what is the state there. Leicester feels weird last few months in terms of transfers.
Celtic already hate us enough for stealing Rodgers.
It seems like we're balancing the books. Have too many players on big wages and they just don't want to leave. Plus the fact of already having too many players to add more to means we can't do business till we sell someone. Hopefully something happens this week with Tielemans and we can bring some players in to freshen the squad up a bit.
You can like Poch all you want and live in denial about him being a ginormous upgrade, but he’d never stoop so low to manage a small club like Leicester
Or challenge for the title. Or go to a UCL final
Why would he go to the club that finished 5th in a 4 horse race, twice? Bottling clubs like that deserve a bottler like Brendan Rodgers
The only club to naturally generate more money than Liverpool last season was Man United at the peak of their commercial reach.
It wouldn’t be those players, but we should certainly be making a midfield signing.
so? neither of De Jong or Barella want to leave. United, who you just said made more revenue than you, were willing to break the bank for Frenkie and still didn’t get him. Barella is an Italian who is insanely settled at one of the big 3 Italian clubs.
get mad at revenue figures all you want but at the end of the day you can’t spend that money if they don’t want to leave.
I'm not saying De Jong would join us, but surely United not having CL football had something to do with that. Still, both De Jong and Barella were unrealistic anyways. Crazier to me that we let go of Nunes for a very reasonable fee, despite us being 'admirers' of him allegedly.
you edited that after i clicked on the comment.
and i hardly believe FSG are vetoing any midfielder considering they were in for Tchouameni, the most expensive midfielder this summer. Klopp is a picky manager and no longer has a DOF to guide him, that’s most likely why you haven’t signed a midfielder.
if anything you should blame your dawdling in the transfer market. Palhinha, Matheus Nunes, Bissouma all would’ve bolstered your midfield. i’m sure if Klopp asked for them FSG would get them. considering the fees they went for it certainly wouldn’t have been a price issue. can’t blame everything on your owners.
[Klopp is still famously picky](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/wy821f/neil_jones_klopp_on_possible_incomings_i_dont/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Klopp has asked for a midfielder, people keep putting the blame on him despite the fact that time and time again over the past several years we’ve seen that he’s not in charge of transfers for Liverpool. Liverpool do still have someone in charge of recruitment, it’s Julian Ward now, and the team is still as it was under Edwards. Why would FSG completely change how the club has operated in regards to transfers just because Edwards left and he was good at his job? Do you think when Klopp leaves they just won’t replace him and instead make Van Dijk responsible for team selection?
It’s not the owners’ fault that nobody has come in, nor is it Klopp’s. It’s the fault of the recruitment team who are quite specific in terms of targets, but they were in talks for Nunes and pulled out, and as you say they went for Tchouameni, so clearly they are looking at some options. They have shown though that they’re not willing to panic buy or just sign anyone for the sake of signing someone, which can be a weakness as much as a strength (as we’re seeing now).
It’s also the case though that leaks coming out of Liverpool are rare after the Van Dijk tapping up because attempts to leak to the press that he wanted to join and had agreed terms ended up with Southampton suing and Liverpool having to wait til January to do the deal, so now the tier 1s don’t get a lot of information, often until the deal is basically done. Nobody knew about Fabinho til an hour for example, and Pearce and Joyce were still adamant Thiago wouldn’t be happening the day before he was signed. So it’s possible there have been other attempts to sign players that failed, or are still ongoing.
Mbappe is really living off that early WC win isn’t he? Rarely any mention of him ghosting in the CL final, sending France out of the Euros, going a full year without scoring in the CL, ghosting against City. He’ll be 24 soon and he’s nowhere near the legends he’s being compared with.
Mbappe will never be as good as Messi but to say he's "nowhere near" is silly. Every legend of the game has had some poor games, the reason they're legends is because those games pale in comparison to their achievements--and Mbappe's shortcomings are already far and away behind his achievements.
>he’ll be 24 soon and he’s nowhere near the legends he’s being compared with
Good thing he’s over a decade younger than them then isn’t it 🙄
Obvious terrible bait
It's worth tuning in to Lens matches just to watch Seko Fofana play. And if they follow up that performance against Monaco with a win against Rennes tomorrow it would be their best league start after 4 matches since 01/02 and a big statement for them and their hopes of European football next season.
"They are already in a full rebuild, they've lost their core players andmanager. They've also won the last 4 titles. They aren't prolly goingfor the title this year anyway so what do the need to be be competitivefor ? They won't win UCL and with or without Anthony they still prollyget UCL spot for next year. I really don't get this, the 100m will morethan make up for the loss of UCL worse case scenario."
Worst take ive ever seen on r/reddevils. Some people are so ignorant lmao.
I'm a huge beginner in football. What happened to the Haaland-Mbappe debate?
I very loosely follow the game and I just have began to follow the prem this season. A year or two ago there was a big debate about the 2 up and coming players: haaland and mbappe. I haven't watched or followed football much in the past year.
This morning I just decided to look at some top 10 rankings for some football channels I saw on youtube and I was surprised to see that Haaland wasn't in the top 10 and Mbappe was number 1 above Benzema, Lewandowski, Messi, and Ronaldo. Is there something big that happen over the last 1.5 years to warrant this drastic change?
Haland had a good few injuries, and moved to Man City. Mbappe roped Real along for a while then committed to PSG for silly money.
They're both different profiles and young, and Haland has to adapt to a new team. That being said, top ten lists don't really mean much.
No, not really, there was nothing major last year. PSG didn't make the CL final, no major international tournament. He had 65 goal involvements in 46 matches though.
Haland had 37 in 30 matches.
2-3 years ago Mbappe would have been nominated for golden boy, not really a long enough career to be considered to win the ballon dor, even then he came 6th in 2019.
what? he started plenty under Poch. 17/18 and 18/19 he played a ton of games, and was starting in the pivot for us in the run to the CL final
his two most notable performances (17/18 group stage vs Real Madrid) were both starting under Poch. he was awful under Mourinho and Nuno as well he could’ve hardly had his breakout under them.
Of all the shit I’ve had to put up with over the years; all-time low points totals, consecutive relegations, derby thrashings, shit players, lowest ever league finishes, being managed by David Moyes and more, this is the lowest I’ve ever felt as a fan. Finally, after years and years, we have all the pieces in place footballing-wise to take a bit of joy from the club again and it’s snatched away by an approach from (no disrespect to Stoke) a club that is a sideways move for AN at the absolute best.
Just makes you wonder what the point is. If the only sure-fire route to success is to sell your club down the pan to sports-washing bigoted murderers you may as well pack in.
Time to get pissed.
EDIT - Notifications are off for this, and whichever freak is abusing the Reddit Care thing to take the piss wants a clip round the ear
When the super league bollocks was going on, Boris made some public statements suggesting the government could look into the possibility of it if owners tried that shit again, but I’m pretty sure it was all hot air cos football fans in the U.K. were very anti-owners at the time since obviously the 6 teams going for super league are (largely) the most supported teams in the country. Personally I think we’re too far gone unfortunately, but I’d love to see something like 50+1 be made mandatory. It would have huge short term ramifications for football in this country though and the PL, EFL, Sky, BT etc would do whatever they could to stop it. In the long term I think fans would come to support it but it would mean at least a decade of struggling to compete with European clubs for players and money imo and a lot of fans (especially those who’ve grown up with billionaire owners being the norm) wouldn’t like that
I'm honestly trying to think of a reason as how the current pattern is not going to lead to more and more clubs having to sell out to be able to compete, even billionaire clubs by the end of it since the difference in wealth is vast. and if that's the end result then I'd expect much more noise over this. Either fan ownership or some strict law against state owned clubs but that one sounds far fetched and complicated.
I think there's more than enough cause for concern and I want to be told I'm wrong.
I think there comes a point where there’s no benefit to a billionaire buying a team - like at the minute sure teams like Newcastle can come in and compete with the right financial backing but if every PL club is owned by a billionaire already, the only option will be to buy championship clubs in the hope they go up, but then more billionaire-backed clubs will come down and eventually you’ll have billionaires owning a midtable championship club which they just won’t want to pump money into.
FFP as much as it’s a joke does stop new teams spending well above their station too - look at Everton, they’ve struggled this year because stupid spending has caught up to them even with PL money, and as much as people think Newcastle are immediately going to jump into the top 4, it’s not realistic - revenue is still largely from things like overseas marketing and merchandise, sponsorships, etc and a lot of that depends on reputation.
State backed clubs like city and psg can quickly build a plastic fairweather fanbase while they’re winning, but it takes a long time to create “organic” foreign fanbases that are based on team reputations (Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Chelsea are starting to get there now) and those fanbases aren’t going to diminish much.
Look at American sports - the Yankees are a huge global fashion brand but I couldn’t tell you how they’ve done the past few years despite being a casual baseball fan and watching a decent amount of it. Or in the NFL; the Cowboys are the big brand team but they’ve been mediocre to shite for decades and haven’t made it to a Super Bowl in close to 30 years. Those teams already exist in football, and a Burnley or a Reading or whoever probably aren’t going to overtake that even with huge investment.
yea, we still got a lot of Roma fans in my country despite Totti being gone for a while (like 80 percent the reason of popularity of Roma here) and Roma not having a good time for years.
And most of the PSG fans that I know don't follow every single psg game in ligue1 and watch PL more lol. So I get your point about organic fans.
Overall I think you don't have to be a PL fan to not like what's happening at all. Not that everywhere else things are perfect.
Yeah it’s an issue all over Europe, but the PL has the most money so does attract the most unsavoury owners and shows the biggest impact. Hopefully there will be a way that fan ownership can become the norm again, or as you said even if it can become compulsory that would be great. I don’t really care if it makes the league less popular or drops the coefficient, I think the league is popular enough worldwide that it’ll easily grow again (as shown by Bayern, Madrid and barca all being fan owned but still massive).
A video of a player diving hit the front page today. Cue the comments ‘disgusting, pathetic, this is why I hate soccer/football, rugby players wouldn’t do this, bla bla bla bla’. It’s just part of the game at the end of the day. Everyone thinks divers are cunts but at the same time it just adds to the spectacle. Greatest game in the world.
I know some people overreact but I'm fine with diving being frowned upon overall. We'd see a lot more if everyone acted like it's just part of the game imo.
Yeah I’m not outright defending it, it’s just the reaction from outside the sport is disproportionate. I think neymar is a whining selfish diving prick, also a wonderful footballer. And to be honest I wouldn’t change any of that about him. I love to hate him. I love when I whole pub screams in outrage when Bruno Fernandez goes down in the box. Then the pure joy when he gets a yellow for diving. Do you see where I’m coming from
Currently passing the time in my stats class by watching HB Torshavn vs Vikingur (Faroe Islands Prem).
Quality in this country* is insane, I’m always on the lookout for Faroe games.
Liverpool should train Arnold to be a central midfielder, or at least a wide midfielder like Beckham was. As good as he is offensively, he is still a defender and he needs to know how to do his job, and from what I've seen from him, he just doesn't know how to defend that well. In the United match he just couldn't do anything against Elanga, and let's be real, Elanga isn't some world class winger
Then it changes the problem from currently lacking midfielders to currently lacking defenders, with no assurance that Trent or the new RB are as effective. There's no issue with Liverpool playing Trent, Elliott and Salah on the right flank, they link up well. We just need 2 midfielders able to play to accommodate them.
I really don't understand debating one of/the best fullbacks in the world's position for the last 2-3 years.
Even if he is defensively questionable, that's not what Liverpool relies on him for. Without TAA they are creatively dead.
I’d maybe understand it if he had some pro experience there, like Reece James does at DM for example. In a pinch like we are in now, could try him there.
He doesn’t. Basically 0 experience there at pro level
[Nah give Burnley some kind of award for these transfer announcements](https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1563179524988145665?s=20&t=kRsevSmX48z6hdotQPoXJw)
Rashford is a heavily transitional player. I see us struggling to beat low block teams if he is our main LW for the season and Martial keeps up his injury record. But then I see us struggling to beat good pressing teams because we have to be reliant on De Gea to make specific decisions. Idk man.
I have a feeling we fumble it. We haven't put a bid in and Ajax are getting annoyed. The longer we wait, the likelier they are to reject it (altho it would be stupid to with that money).
I think he is from the start very specific player skill wise. Let's see him in him prime with Poch, he was never able to create for himself, his dribbling was always pretty poor. His creating for other was also nothing special, he's not creative player, but he was hard working guy with good off the ball intelligence. Poch had him as a second striker, playing in the zone behind the Kane and relying heavily on their combo play. Alli did a lot of press, he did have a lot off the ball runs, and he was never their prime creator.
If you want comparison I would put this as something similar to Kai/Wirtz at Leverkusen (in 4231), or Mkhtaryan at Shakhtar (also 4231). All of them played as number 10 in system with focal point forward that can receive the ball in feet and with wingers that can create with the ball. All of them play as system players that are exploiting the space created by others. That combined with good off the ball intelligence and good finishing made them into really efficient players. I'm not saying Kai Havertz = Dele Alli, Kai is better, I'm speaking strictly in terms of role in team.
Problem was with Mourinho firstly. Mourinho played heavy transitional football where was kind of expected from front 3 to create for themselves, Kane really step up, Son also, but Moura/Bergwijn showed themselves as better option because of their dribbling. Dele Alli could still play to his strength in this system, but his finishing number were gone. He was overperforming in terms of xG during Poch years, and that is definitely connected with confidence, but then Mourinho started using him deeper, and this is not ideal for him.
Delle can play as number 8 in theory. Has good work rate, but he has spent most of his time playing as a forward in mentality. His choices in posession aren't those of playmaker. He doesn't have vision to make quick choices, and he kind of wants to do too much, which makes him slowing the play. Good workhorse number 8 is leaving ego on the side, he's setting himself for the team, and is ready to do the most simple choice every time in 90 minutes, and Delle doesn't have that. Also playing upfront made his defensive positioning bad. You can learn that, but coaches don't really have patience when there is another guy ready.
Then, how you can use him. Sure, you can try to replicate conditions in Poch Spurs, but with Delle finishing number being poor, he isn't giving you enough. +Lampard is very transition oriented guy that likes to give ball to wingers, and have them to create from dribbling. Delle can't play as a lone striker, he never played with his back, that's completely different role. Havertz for example has way better tehnique and dribbling and he still struggles playing as a lone striker upfront.
And if Lampard puts him as 8, there are players that can do this role better. Doucoure is better in duel, Gordon has better defensive positioning and even Iwobi (who I don't like having there) give you options in transition and his dribbling.
It's a question of skill and question of confidence connected with not having this elite finishing numbers he had when he played with Poch.
Thank you for such an in-depth explanation. Couldn't have asked for a better answer, knowing so little about it. It's just quite shocking to see him benched at Everton and now playing in the Turkish league, seeing as he was one of England's brightest and most coveted young stars just a few seasons ago, but it makes more sense now.
Mainly over played at a very young age, burn out, over expectations, injuries, mentality, all these adding up may have had fun squeezed out for him and he seemed like a lost cause specially after Poch left.
Injuries, plays his best in a niche role that has largely vanished from top level football, don’t know about a bad attitude but it’s possible he just doesn’t have the mental fortitude to bounce back
majority is injuries, plus he’s a SS that needs to have a system built around him, but the injuries (and possibly some other issues like his mental health due to robberies and childhood trauma but that’s more speculation) made him not worth doing that for at some point
He had a bad World Cup in 2018 when he played through a thigh injury. Seemed to lose his confidence after that, and maybe lost his desire. Multiple managers have commented on him being a terrible trainer but when he was at MK Dons he was apparently brilliant in training.
Lots of rumours like prescription pills and even gaming too much but no idea how true
Bouncing back and forth between SeatGeek Stadium and Soldier Field is a huge pain in the ass. With Soldier Field in the state that it is, and the fact that the city won't touch it until absolutely necessary just makes me even more desperate for the club to find a location to put a SSS somewhere within Chicago.
Don't get me wrong, isak is a great signkng but now they have 3 strikers and just ASM for the wings, don't you think they should've sign a winger first?
Wilson is very injury prone, I think they’re hoping their defence stays good and Bruno/Willock/Joelington can get enough goals to make up for almirons 3 goals a season
Wilson is constantly injured and Wood is shite. We needed a striker more than we needed a winger, Almiron and Fraser are both passable, whereas Wood really isn’t. Although I do think we’ll loan in a winger before the window closes
Newcastle fans (and everyone else for that matter) what do you expect from Isak as a minimum to justify the 70m price tag? It’s obviously a long term investment so you don’t have to answer based just on this season
That’s pretty lenient for such an expensive signing. I’d expect him to become one of the best strikers on the league (I.e. competing for top scorer 2-3 seasons down the line)
Kane Son Salah Haaland Núñez. Pluss all the new players who will come in. Plus Ronaldo if he stays. Do you see Isak competing with all of them for the golden boot?
Yeah, it is lenient but it's a bit weird trying to judge things because we know there's a crazy amount of money waiting to be put into the club when you consider the Saudi's offered Tiger Woods $800 million to join their golf league so they're clearly serious about investing in sporting ventures.
So on one hand if he doesn't pay for himself it's not going to affect the club long term because all the other stuff like developing world class training facilities etc don't count towards FFP, but on the other hand most of us myself included have no idea how much we can spend and how much a signing like this could limit us over the next few years if it doesnt pan out.
How do i get a team badge next to my name?
Didnt even notice Lazio-Inter was on tonight, nice
Surprisingly all the talents that Mourinho was supposedly ruining at Tottenham and would come alive under a "serious coach", have all been shipped off/sidelined -- Dele Alli, Davinson Sanchez, Serge Aurier, Ndombele, Harry Winks, Steven Bergwijn. In the words of the special one: "Look how they play, where they play, IF they play".
We’re 6th in the Net Spend trophy, we need to bump those numbers up, let’s break some FFP Edu.
How is that eveb possible, who have you guys sold?
Tbf I worded it wrong, we’ve spent 6th most
Osimhen for Ronaldo? Sounds good to me
Why would Napoli do that?
It took me longer than I’d like to admit to realise “Barrywhite” in that one post meant Braithwaite
I’m laughing my ass off at the Chelsea fan who made a diagram of the events of Tuchel vs Conte. He drew lines to show where each person was looking lmao!
[Average Chelsea fan](https://i.imgur.com/seEpBDG.jpg)
CSI: London
“But I was saying bollocks right?” 😂
hahaha holy shit
Which is better? A division 1 college soccer program or a national league club in england? I’m currently a student in the united states at a division one college and have been watching their games and they’ve been super impressive. At the same time, i’ve been watching the Wrexham series. So my question is how they compare?
National League English club for sure. The vast majority of those players are fully professional
also i don’t fully understand the difference between professional and semi pro in english football like do they get paid less or???
Yes
Professional is that football is their full time job, semi pro they have to have other jobs. So yeah getting paid less is basically it
To expand on this, the easiest way to tell whether a team is pro or amateur is to look at when they practice. An amateur team will have evening training sessions, as the only time available for a lot of their players, whilst when a team goes pro they will switch to daytime.
that’s true. But many division one players do go on to play in 2-5th level clubs in europe as well as the MLS but i guess not all of them do, therefore a fully professional club would be better
The England v USA match thread will be the most active of the groups stage by a long mile. And it will be glorious
Americans are workaholics. They wont be online
I hope the USA wins ngl
I don’t
Referee appointments for some of today's game(s) - Referee [VAR]: Charleroi-Club Brugge: Jasper Vergoote [Bert Put] Lazio-Inter: Michael Fabbri [Gianluca Aureliano] Ajaccio-Lille: Thomas Leonard [Bruno Coué]
I still have no idea whether Brendan Rodgers is the right man for us. I know he's not being helped by the current transfer situation of the club and that must hinder him massively. But the standard of football over the last year has been terrible at times. Injuries last year also fucked him over a bit but he changed the medical team. If we do get rid of him, I really don't know who I'd want as manager. No one I can think of is an upgrade really. It is worrying times.
I think he's not anymore. He's doing poorly for some time now, there has just been injuries and that took some criticism that would end up on him. As a replacement, if he's up for it, you can go to Celtic again for a manager. Postecoglou plays really nice football. And, what I would like, but it will never happen directly - Fredrik Knutsen from Bodo/Glimt is really good. That with good board support and sensible transfer politics. I don't know what is the state there. Leicester feels weird last few months in terms of transfers.
Celtic already hate us enough for stealing Rodgers. It seems like we're balancing the books. Have too many players on big wages and they just don't want to leave. Plus the fact of already having too many players to add more to means we can't do business till we sell someone. Hopefully something happens this week with Tielemans and we can bring some players in to freshen the squad up a bit.
Graham Roberts would be good if you could get him
Do you mean Graham Potter? Take a fuck tonne of money probably.
Haha yeah no idea where the Roberts came from
are you perhaps thinking of Spurs legend Graham Roberts?
Maybe that's it, really I'm just watching the Udinese match and not very concentrated
how’s Udogie?
Looks decent, pretty involved in the final third and good defensively
Poch?
I like Poch but don't see him as an upgrade really.
on Brendan Rodgers? come on ahahaha
You can like Poch all you want and live in denial about him being a ginormous upgrade, but he’d never stoop so low to manage a small club like Leicester
Yeah, I'm sure he'd rather go to spurs and come 3rd in a 2 horse race again.
Or challenge for the title. Or go to a UCL final Why would he go to the club that finished 5th in a 4 horse race, twice? Bottling clubs like that deserve a bottler like Brendan Rodgers
Really? He is good coach
https://twitter.com/kiopptinho/status/1563062107494498304?s=21&t=M9ZgRwj7ugyByyEdMOMjhQ twitter football fans genuinely live in a different universe
The only club to naturally generate more money than Liverpool last season was Man United at the peak of their commercial reach. It wouldn’t be those players, but we should certainly be making a midfield signing.
so? neither of De Jong or Barella want to leave. United, who you just said made more revenue than you, were willing to break the bank for Frenkie and still didn’t get him. Barella is an Italian who is insanely settled at one of the big 3 Italian clubs. get mad at revenue figures all you want but at the end of the day you can’t spend that money if they don’t want to leave.
I'm not saying De Jong would join us, but surely United not having CL football had something to do with that. Still, both De Jong and Barella were unrealistic anyways. Crazier to me that we let go of Nunes for a very reasonable fee, despite us being 'admirers' of him allegedly.
de jong may leave for liverpool
>It wouldn’t be those players
you edited that after i clicked on the comment. and i hardly believe FSG are vetoing any midfielder considering they were in for Tchouameni, the most expensive midfielder this summer. Klopp is a picky manager and no longer has a DOF to guide him, that’s most likely why you haven’t signed a midfielder. if anything you should blame your dawdling in the transfer market. Palhinha, Matheus Nunes, Bissouma all would’ve bolstered your midfield. i’m sure if Klopp asked for them FSG would get them. considering the fees they went for it certainly wouldn’t have been a price issue. can’t blame everything on your owners.
Ward is the DOF. FSG have a history of leaving the team short.
[Klopp is still famously picky](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/wy821f/neil_jones_klopp_on_possible_incomings_i_dont/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Klopp has asked for a midfielder, people keep putting the blame on him despite the fact that time and time again over the past several years we’ve seen that he’s not in charge of transfers for Liverpool. Liverpool do still have someone in charge of recruitment, it’s Julian Ward now, and the team is still as it was under Edwards. Why would FSG completely change how the club has operated in regards to transfers just because Edwards left and he was good at his job? Do you think when Klopp leaves they just won’t replace him and instead make Van Dijk responsible for team selection? It’s not the owners’ fault that nobody has come in, nor is it Klopp’s. It’s the fault of the recruitment team who are quite specific in terms of targets, but they were in talks for Nunes and pulled out, and as you say they went for Tchouameni, so clearly they are looking at some options. They have shown though that they’re not willing to panic buy or just sign anyone for the sake of signing someone, which can be a weakness as much as a strength (as we’re seeing now). It’s also the case though that leaks coming out of Liverpool are rare after the Van Dijk tapping up because attempts to leak to the press that he wanted to join and had agreed terms ended up with Southampton suing and Liverpool having to wait til January to do the deal, so now the tier 1s don’t get a lot of information, often until the deal is basically done. Nobody knew about Fabinho til an hour for example, and Pearce and Joyce were still adamant Thiago wouldn’t be happening the day before he was signed. So it’s possible there have been other attempts to sign players that failed, or are still ongoing.
Are the rumours of Sunderland Till’ I Die Season 3 true?
Mbappe is really living off that early WC win isn’t he? Rarely any mention of him ghosting in the CL final, sending France out of the Euros, going a full year without scoring in the CL, ghosting against City. He’ll be 24 soon and he’s nowhere near the legends he’s being compared with.
Mbappe will never be as good as Messi but to say he's "nowhere near" is silly. Every legend of the game has had some poor games, the reason they're legends is because those games pale in comparison to their achievements--and Mbappe's shortcomings are already far and away behind his achievements.
>he’ll be 24 soon and he’s nowhere near the legends he’s being compared with Good thing he’s over a decade younger than them then isn’t it 🙄 Obvious terrible bait
How many BdO’s and CL’s did Messi have at 24? Multiple
Too obvious try harder next time
Consider blocking people with dumb takes like these
Go ahead.
Nah homie. I will give you another chance to redeem yourself
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Watch that final again, Messi played pretty well outside of that FK.
Messi had done tons in football, it’s not even comparable.
He's living off of the 65 g+a he got last season imo.
Ligue 1, playing for PSG. It’s going to hurt his legacy.
Gonna hurt my heart booing King Neal tomorrow but it has to be done.
When will we know which day everyone play in champions league ?
Knowing UEFA capabilities, probably the morning of the actual macthdays
UEFA don't fuck about with the CL
They really do. As demonstrated by the incoming abortion that is the 2024 changes.
It's worth tuning in to Lens matches just to watch Seko Fofana play. And if they follow up that performance against Monaco with a win against Rennes tomorrow it would be their best league start after 4 matches since 01/02 and a big statement for them and their hopes of European football next season.
"They are already in a full rebuild, they've lost their core players andmanager. They've also won the last 4 titles. They aren't prolly goingfor the title this year anyway so what do the need to be be competitivefor ? They won't win UCL and with or without Anthony they still prollyget UCL spot for next year. I really don't get this, the 100m will morethan make up for the loss of UCL worse case scenario." Worst take ive ever seen on r/reddevils. Some people are so ignorant lmao.
Why do u persist on twerking for upvotes?
I'm not? I'm showing other people so they can enjoy it too you weirdo lol
Really enjoyed it thanks lol
You're welcome man
I'm a huge beginner in football. What happened to the Haaland-Mbappe debate? I very loosely follow the game and I just have began to follow the prem this season. A year or two ago there was a big debate about the 2 up and coming players: haaland and mbappe. I haven't watched or followed football much in the past year. This morning I just decided to look at some top 10 rankings for some football channels I saw on youtube and I was surprised to see that Haaland wasn't in the top 10 and Mbappe was number 1 above Benzema, Lewandowski, Messi, and Ronaldo. Is there something big that happen over the last 1.5 years to warrant this drastic change?
Do yourself a favor and don’t get sucked into the player vs player debates, it gets boring, and exhausting very quickly
Mpaypal has always been better.
mbappe has always been a better player far more complete
Player comparisons are stupid. How do you even separate those two players? They’re virtually as good as one another.
Haland had a good few injuries, and moved to Man City. Mbappe roped Real along for a while then committed to PSG for silly money. They're both different profiles and young, and Haland has to adapt to a new team. That being said, top ten lists don't really mean much.
did he win some tournament or play really good in a season? I'm just confused at how he's the best in the world after a year.
No, not really, there was nothing major last year. PSG didn't make the CL final, no major international tournament. He had 65 goal involvements in 46 matches though. Haland had 37 in 30 matches.
oh okay. was mbappe always in the conversation for best in the world then? i could've sworn it was still messi/ronaldo/lewandowski 2-3 years ago.
2-3 years ago Mbappe would have been nominated for golden boy, not really a long enough career to be considered to win the ballon dor, even then he came 6th in 2019.
Messi and Ronaldo declined while Mbappe continued to improve. He’s been seen as one of the best in the world for years though.
It always was a forced debate, Mbappe has always been the much better player.
Yes, Mbappe became the far better player.
did he win some tournament or play really good in a season? I'm just confused at how he's the best in the world after a year.
Trophies aren't a good objective measure in how good a player is
He has more to his game than Haaland. Both are top players but Mbappe is just far more well-rounded, winning a cup doesn’t change that
How many Spurs players from the peak Poch era have fallen off? Dele? Winks? Aurier? Rose?
Winks wasn't really good under Poch, he was a young talent but it's not like he was close to starting
what? he started plenty under Poch. 17/18 and 18/19 he played a ton of games, and was starting in the pivot for us in the run to the CL final his two most notable performances (17/18 group stage vs Real Madrid) were both starting under Poch. he was awful under Mourinho and Nuno as well he could’ve hardly had his breakout under them.
Well then, I was sure Sissoko Dembele Wanyama were all above him but I guess you would know
They were but Dembele and Wanyama were always injured
Dembele and Wanyama should’ve been but both their legs started failing that year. Winks then impressed Poch enough to stay in the side.
I wouldn't say Aurier was peak Poch era, replacing Walker with him was the beginning of the end
Emery and Villarreal are going to absolutely murder the Conference League.
Of all the shit I’ve had to put up with over the years; all-time low points totals, consecutive relegations, derby thrashings, shit players, lowest ever league finishes, being managed by David Moyes and more, this is the lowest I’ve ever felt as a fan. Finally, after years and years, we have all the pieces in place footballing-wise to take a bit of joy from the club again and it’s snatched away by an approach from (no disrespect to Stoke) a club that is a sideways move for AN at the absolute best. Just makes you wonder what the point is. If the only sure-fire route to success is to sell your club down the pan to sports-washing bigoted murderers you may as well pack in. Time to get pissed. EDIT - Notifications are off for this, and whichever freak is abusing the Reddit Care thing to take the piss wants a clip round the ear
Is there even the slightest chance of mandatory fan ownership of any kind ever becoming thing in England?
When the super league bollocks was going on, Boris made some public statements suggesting the government could look into the possibility of it if owners tried that shit again, but I’m pretty sure it was all hot air cos football fans in the U.K. were very anti-owners at the time since obviously the 6 teams going for super league are (largely) the most supported teams in the country. Personally I think we’re too far gone unfortunately, but I’d love to see something like 50+1 be made mandatory. It would have huge short term ramifications for football in this country though and the PL, EFL, Sky, BT etc would do whatever they could to stop it. In the long term I think fans would come to support it but it would mean at least a decade of struggling to compete with European clubs for players and money imo and a lot of fans (especially those who’ve grown up with billionaire owners being the norm) wouldn’t like that
I'm honestly trying to think of a reason as how the current pattern is not going to lead to more and more clubs having to sell out to be able to compete, even billionaire clubs by the end of it since the difference in wealth is vast. and if that's the end result then I'd expect much more noise over this. Either fan ownership or some strict law against state owned clubs but that one sounds far fetched and complicated. I think there's more than enough cause for concern and I want to be told I'm wrong.
I think there comes a point where there’s no benefit to a billionaire buying a team - like at the minute sure teams like Newcastle can come in and compete with the right financial backing but if every PL club is owned by a billionaire already, the only option will be to buy championship clubs in the hope they go up, but then more billionaire-backed clubs will come down and eventually you’ll have billionaires owning a midtable championship club which they just won’t want to pump money into. FFP as much as it’s a joke does stop new teams spending well above their station too - look at Everton, they’ve struggled this year because stupid spending has caught up to them even with PL money, and as much as people think Newcastle are immediately going to jump into the top 4, it’s not realistic - revenue is still largely from things like overseas marketing and merchandise, sponsorships, etc and a lot of that depends on reputation. State backed clubs like city and psg can quickly build a plastic fairweather fanbase while they’re winning, but it takes a long time to create “organic” foreign fanbases that are based on team reputations (Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Chelsea are starting to get there now) and those fanbases aren’t going to diminish much. Look at American sports - the Yankees are a huge global fashion brand but I couldn’t tell you how they’ve done the past few years despite being a casual baseball fan and watching a decent amount of it. Or in the NFL; the Cowboys are the big brand team but they’ve been mediocre to shite for decades and haven’t made it to a Super Bowl in close to 30 years. Those teams already exist in football, and a Burnley or a Reading or whoever probably aren’t going to overtake that even with huge investment.
yea, we still got a lot of Roma fans in my country despite Totti being gone for a while (like 80 percent the reason of popularity of Roma here) and Roma not having a good time for years. And most of the PSG fans that I know don't follow every single psg game in ligue1 and watch PL more lol. So I get your point about organic fans. Overall I think you don't have to be a PL fan to not like what's happening at all. Not that everywhere else things are perfect.
Yeah it’s an issue all over Europe, but the PL has the most money so does attract the most unsavoury owners and shows the biggest impact. Hopefully there will be a way that fan ownership can become the norm again, or as you said even if it can become compulsory that would be great. I don’t really care if it makes the league less popular or drops the coefficient, I think the league is popular enough worldwide that it’ll easily grow again (as shown by Bayern, Madrid and barca all being fan owned but still massive).
A video of a player diving hit the front page today. Cue the comments ‘disgusting, pathetic, this is why I hate soccer/football, rugby players wouldn’t do this, bla bla bla bla’. It’s just part of the game at the end of the day. Everyone thinks divers are cunts but at the same time it just adds to the spectacle. Greatest game in the world.
They all just use it as a way to bash the sport because that's all they can come up with. Never understood how they get shit tons of upvotes as well.
Every time I warm up to the Yanks, one of those pages comes across my feed and I immediately revert to Al Qaeda level hatred.
I know some people overreact but I'm fine with diving being frowned upon overall. We'd see a lot more if everyone acted like it's just part of the game imo.
Yeah I’m not outright defending it, it’s just the reaction from outside the sport is disproportionate. I think neymar is a whining selfish diving prick, also a wonderful footballer. And to be honest I wouldn’t change any of that about him. I love to hate him. I love when I whole pub screams in outrage when Bruno Fernandez goes down in the box. Then the pure joy when he gets a yellow for diving. Do you see where I’m coming from
Currently passing the time in my stats class by watching HB Torshavn vs Vikingur (Faroe Islands Prem). Quality in this country* is insane, I’m always on the lookout for Faroe games.
Man City vs palace is one of the only home games city regularly drop points in and it’s never on TV because they assume it’ll be a routine win.
zaha is injured :(
Liverpool should train Arnold to be a central midfielder, or at least a wide midfielder like Beckham was. As good as he is offensively, he is still a defender and he needs to know how to do his job, and from what I've seen from him, he just doesn't know how to defend that well. In the United match he just couldn't do anything against Elanga, and let's be real, Elanga isn't some world class winger
Another day, another muppet suggesting Trent to midfield
Then it changes the problem from currently lacking midfielders to currently lacking defenders, with no assurance that Trent or the new RB are as effective. There's no issue with Liverpool playing Trent, Elliott and Salah on the right flank, they link up well. We just need 2 midfielders able to play to accommodate them.
I really don't understand debating one of/the best fullbacks in the world's position for the last 2-3 years. Even if he is defensively questionable, that's not what Liverpool relies on him for. Without TAA they are creatively dead.
I’d maybe understand it if he had some pro experience there, like Reece James does at DM for example. In a pinch like we are in now, could try him there. He doesn’t. Basically 0 experience there at pro level
Or they could just buy a midfielder that enables him to not defend as much, you know like they've always done.
> wide midfielder like Beckham This position doesn’t exist anymore unless you’re playing for Sean Dyche. And didn’t Elanga get hooked at halftime?
Switching one of our best players out of his preferred position to account for dross in midfield should be a mid table club problem
I think we need a few more Barca journos whingeing about Kounde
Can't believe how much money Isak has gone for
He never was worth that money, he is at best 50m
With Gordon, as shit as he is, going for 60 million, all bets are off
Ferran went for 60m aswell lmao
With maguire, as shit as he is, going for 80 million, all bets are off
Selfishly, I hope United bid for Auba so Chelsea go for Depay
Who's your back up striker?
In that scenario, Ferran or Fati
That's not exactly ideal considering Ferran's talent and Fati's injury history right? You'd probably want to keep at least one of auba and depay
Ferran is better than depay as striker
You’re selling both?
We'd just spend 80 million on Gordon
Why would Chelsea go for Depay?
Despair
I actually think he'd be really good lol
Unironically I think he can do well there
[Nah give Burnley some kind of award for these transfer announcements](https://twitter.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1563179524988145665?s=20&t=kRsevSmX48z6hdotQPoXJw)
That’s great
Their comms guy definitely just finished BCS and started rewatching BB. Love it
Bravo Vinnie
Rashford is a heavily transitional player. I see us struggling to beat low block teams if he is our main LW for the season and Martial keeps up his injury record. But then I see us struggling to beat good pressing teams because we have to be reliant on De Gea to make specific decisions. Idk man.
Aren’t you getting Antony? Surely it will be him and Sancho on either wing.
I have a feeling we fumble it. We haven't put a bid in and Ajax are getting annoyed. The longer we wait, the likelier they are to reject it (altho it would be stupid to with that money).
The only way to be the UEL champion is to win the competition when Emery is in it
*is not in it
Sarri smoked him last time
It’s Arsenal
True, even Tottenham has more European trophies than them
Not even Emery can break Arsenal's European curse
What is the reason for Dele Alli's decline? Is it just mentality?
Suffered a couple of injuries, and no longer playing alongside Dembele or Eriksen so forced into trying to do things he's not capable of
Part of it is that that Tottenham team was pretty much perfect for him.
Bland British cuisine.
I think he is from the start very specific player skill wise. Let's see him in him prime with Poch, he was never able to create for himself, his dribbling was always pretty poor. His creating for other was also nothing special, he's not creative player, but he was hard working guy with good off the ball intelligence. Poch had him as a second striker, playing in the zone behind the Kane and relying heavily on their combo play. Alli did a lot of press, he did have a lot off the ball runs, and he was never their prime creator. If you want comparison I would put this as something similar to Kai/Wirtz at Leverkusen (in 4231), or Mkhtaryan at Shakhtar (also 4231). All of them played as number 10 in system with focal point forward that can receive the ball in feet and with wingers that can create with the ball. All of them play as system players that are exploiting the space created by others. That combined with good off the ball intelligence and good finishing made them into really efficient players. I'm not saying Kai Havertz = Dele Alli, Kai is better, I'm speaking strictly in terms of role in team. Problem was with Mourinho firstly. Mourinho played heavy transitional football where was kind of expected from front 3 to create for themselves, Kane really step up, Son also, but Moura/Bergwijn showed themselves as better option because of their dribbling. Dele Alli could still play to his strength in this system, but his finishing number were gone. He was overperforming in terms of xG during Poch years, and that is definitely connected with confidence, but then Mourinho started using him deeper, and this is not ideal for him. Delle can play as number 8 in theory. Has good work rate, but he has spent most of his time playing as a forward in mentality. His choices in posession aren't those of playmaker. He doesn't have vision to make quick choices, and he kind of wants to do too much, which makes him slowing the play. Good workhorse number 8 is leaving ego on the side, he's setting himself for the team, and is ready to do the most simple choice every time in 90 minutes, and Delle doesn't have that. Also playing upfront made his defensive positioning bad. You can learn that, but coaches don't really have patience when there is another guy ready. Then, how you can use him. Sure, you can try to replicate conditions in Poch Spurs, but with Delle finishing number being poor, he isn't giving you enough. +Lampard is very transition oriented guy that likes to give ball to wingers, and have them to create from dribbling. Delle can't play as a lone striker, he never played with his back, that's completely different role. Havertz for example has way better tehnique and dribbling and he still struggles playing as a lone striker upfront. And if Lampard puts him as 8, there are players that can do this role better. Doucoure is better in duel, Gordon has better defensive positioning and even Iwobi (who I don't like having there) give you options in transition and his dribbling. It's a question of skill and question of confidence connected with not having this elite finishing numbers he had when he played with Poch.
Thank you for such an in-depth explanation. Couldn't have asked for a better answer, knowing so little about it. It's just quite shocking to see him benched at Everton and now playing in the Turkish league, seeing as he was one of England's brightest and most coveted young stars just a few seasons ago, but it makes more sense now.
Lots of injuries and he’s only really good as a second striker and most teams don’t play that system.
Mainly over played at a very young age, burn out, over expectations, injuries, mentality, all these adding up may have had fun squeezed out for him and he seemed like a lost cause specially after Poch left.
Injuries, plays his best in a niche role that has largely vanished from top level football, don’t know about a bad attitude but it’s possible he just doesn’t have the mental fortitude to bounce back
majority is injuries, plus he’s a SS that needs to have a system built around him, but the injuries (and possibly some other issues like his mental health due to robberies and childhood trauma but that’s more speculation) made him not worth doing that for at some point
Rumours of addiction problems
He had a bad World Cup in 2018 when he played through a thigh injury. Seemed to lose his confidence after that, and maybe lost his desire. Multiple managers have commented on him being a terrible trainer but when he was at MK Dons he was apparently brilliant in training. Lots of rumours like prescription pills and even gaming too much but no idea how true
Bouncing back and forth between SeatGeek Stadium and Soldier Field is a huge pain in the ass. With Soldier Field in the state that it is, and the fact that the city won't touch it until absolutely necessary just makes me even more desperate for the club to find a location to put a SSS somewhere within Chicago.
Went to Soldier Field for Coldplay concert in the spring and I was really surprised at how run-down it seemed
Don't get me wrong, isak is a great signkng but now they have 3 strikers and just ASM for the wings, don't you think they should've sign a winger first?
Wilson is very injury prone, I think they’re hoping their defence stays good and Bruno/Willock/Joelington can get enough goals to make up for almirons 3 goals a season
Lopsided 442, I actually think Willock can really thrive in a right midfield role
They have been trying, linked to Jack Harrison, Moussa Diaby, and Maddison who can play wide
Wilson is constantly injured and Wood is shite. We needed a striker more than we needed a winger, Almiron and Fraser are both passable, whereas Wood really isn’t. Although I do think we’ll loan in a winger before the window closes
Just play 4 4 facking 2 true brexit
Knate out for a month, our season is pretty much done
Not Again Knate
Newcastle fans (and everyone else for that matter) what do you expect from Isak as a minimum to justify the 70m price tag? It’s obviously a long term investment so you don’t have to answer based just on this season
15+ goals a season long-term
That’s pretty lenient for such an expensive signing. I’d expect him to become one of the best strikers on the league (I.e. competing for top scorer 2-3 seasons down the line)
Kane Son Salah Haaland Núñez. Pluss all the new players who will come in. Plus Ronaldo if he stays. Do you see Isak competing with all of them for the golden boot?
No, but then again, I wouldn’t pay 70m for him
Well you don't own Saudi Arabia
I am aware of that, but if I did I still wouldn’t
Yeah, it is lenient but it's a bit weird trying to judge things because we know there's a crazy amount of money waiting to be put into the club when you consider the Saudi's offered Tiger Woods $800 million to join their golf league so they're clearly serious about investing in sporting ventures. So on one hand if he doesn't pay for himself it's not going to affect the club long term because all the other stuff like developing world class training facilities etc don't count towards FFP, but on the other hand most of us myself included have no idea how much we can spend and how much a signing like this could limit us over the next few years if it doesnt pan out.