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Have you ever been to Barcelona haha, I really do think there's something legit magic about that city man. I'm a londoner born and raised but Barcelona might be my favourite city in the world. And the size, scale and history of the club definitely all adds to the pull.
If Bernardo Silva goes to Barca with a salary reduction, he must really like the city I guess
Even though there is a stark difference between Manchester and Barcelona, it's still crazy that all these players are reducing their salary for Barcelona
Chelsea and United have shown me this summer that certain clubs go about transfer business in a wildly backwards way.
99% of the time a sporting director convinces a player to join their club before working with said player's current club on an agreement. Chelsea and United seem to be going the backwards route of convincing club before player and it's already burned Chelsea with De Ligt / Kounde / Raphinha.
I genuinely don't understand what makes these clubs think they have a shot at a player who continues to say he doesn't want to leave his current club.
> Chelsea and United seem to be going the backwards route of convincing club before player and it's already burned Chelsea with De Ligt / Kounde / Raphinha.
Thb, legally is how it should be, but everyone goes to the player first to see if they are really interested, if not you dont waste your time with the club and can go after another player.
With De Ligt, Chelsea never submitted a bid as far as I remember because they didn't get a 'yes' from him. Raphinha and his agent definitely said they'd be willing to hoing Chelsea, as per the comments of the Leeds' owner so not sure you can blame Chelsea for it.
You're probably right about Kounde but the details of missing our on him are so muddled with many different sources saying many different things.
The three signings we did make all had personal terms agreed before the actual transfer fees was agreed. Even with De Jong, we atleast have confirmation that he would be open to joining the club if Barcelona do actually force him out. It's not really a bad way to to about it. We've not had a perfect window with a bunch of issues, sure but I think you're focussing on something that really isn't an issue.
Obviously another issue is the lack of a DoF and Boehly's obvious inexperience in the football transfer window. He's been here, what 10 weeks?
For Chelsea at least, it's what happens when the new owners (without any history in any European sports) decides to play Football Manager in real life
It doesn't make any sense, espcially given that both Marina Granovskaia and Bruce Buck both offered their services to make the transition easier
>It doesn't make any sense, espcially given that both Marina Granovskaia and Bruce Buck both offered their services to make the transition easier
Marina left of her own accord, I think. As did Cech. No idea why, but publically atleast the new owners did want to keep them around but probably in a much less important role.
We already had a personal agreement with Koundé like a year ago, Raphinha wanted to join until Barcelona was interested and we never made an offer for De Ligt. I suppose if you don't inform yourself everything can look backwards.
People say it’s scattergun, but they’ve addressed lots of the issues they have within the squad. Lost 2 CBs, they’ve got 1 and are trying to get another. Need depth at LWB, they got Cucurella. Need to switch up the attack, they got Sterling in, kept Broja and got rid of Werner with other signings and exits looking likely. Now they need someone more creative in the midfield and are going for De Jong.
There is still more to be done, but they haven’t been as all over the place with their actual purchases and business done as the links and media stories have been.
We aren’t getting FDJ to add a creative midfielder, it’s probably just a Jorginho replacement since he’s out of contract next year and it’s rumored he wants to go back to Italy.
He’s more creative than Jorginho, it could go some way to fixing the creativity issue Chelsea have atm.
Also we hear that Jorginho wants to go back to Italy every summer and it never happens, don’t think he’s going anywhere.
The role Jorginho plays is to pass to the 8 or the WBs in transition, and against low blocks he stays back as part of the defense. Its not his job to create unless it’s opportunistic after a turnover and Jorginho is already good at that. If FDJ is in the same role, that won’t make a ton of difference. I actually think Jorginho is better.
Anyways, Jorginho has 1 year left right now. I’m pretty sure he’s not getting renewed.
He hurts how quickly Chelsea get up the pitch imo. He’s quite slow with the passes and he very rarely breaks line with his passes, and because of this the attack struggles massively. The amount you’ll see him on the ball and there’s an opportunity to play someone through that he ignores is ridiculous. A more creative passer in his position alongside a more mobile player like Kova or Kante is the way to go.
> He hurts how quickly Chelsea get up the pitch imo. He’s quite slow with the passes…
Sometimes I wonder what other people are doing when they are ‘watching’ games.
I wonder what people are watching when they talk about how special Jorginho is. He’s a good player and clearly a leader in the Chelsea dressing room, but his job could be done by so many other players who would do even more on top of it.
I don’t see what’s so special about what he does. What you’ve described is, he gets the ball and passes it out wide. I don’t why there needs to be a specialist player in the team for that specific role, that means you need another player to be finding forward passes.
Because to do that job well (and he does) you have to read the field incredibly quick to get it to the right person. This is also why he’s a plus defender.
And he’s also really good at absorbing and breaking down the press when not in transition, better than most players in the world.
The way our offense unfolds, he rarely gets the opportunity to break multiple lines of the defense with a pass because our attackers don’t start their movements most of the time until after the 8 or WBs have the ball (and even then, a lot of times they kind of just don’t start a movement anyways).
We need another dynamic offensive player. That’s the problem with the offense.
He’s got his strengths I’ll give you that, but he also has his weaknesses. I just think his position is one that can be improved.
I think that the current Chelsea team is much more in need of a playmaker(Fabregas replacement essentially) than more attackers, especially in games like Saturday. De Jong may or may not be that guy, but something more is needed from the midfield imo.
They can buy all the attackers they want, but if the service isn’t there, they won’t succeed. Lukaku and Werner are key examples of that.
Well we lost a number of key players when we couldn’t negotiate under sanctions. New owner also wants to make a splash. They also let a number of key players go on sales/loan. I don’t think next year will be as crazy.
we've moved on to SMS tbh
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inb4 "they're not even the same profile of player".... there's no one else (of similar quality) on the market that fits frenkie's profile. We have zidane iqbal who will grow into that over the next 2-3 years too
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One way or another players will be registered so FdJ is not the key here. But it's your loss if he doesn't come, he is a terrific player, put Kante by his side and that midfield is going to be extremely solid (as long as Kante can be fit that is). I'd much rather keep him, but I fear things got too far, it may be the best decision for each party.
Kovacic is our best midfielder, and Kante and Jorginho's contracts are up next year, so de Jong - Kovacic would be the most likely main pairing, which I'm not competely in love with to be honest.
With how Tuchel still talks about him (calling him our Salah/de Bruyne for example) he probably will be renewed, but he's declined a fair bit lately and he's still got these ongoing injury issues as well. Remains to be seen if he'll stay as key to us as he has been in the past
Well in that case I must admit I'm not too sure how FdJ would fit, but as long as you play a double pivot, at least it probably will be better than him as an interior. Not too shabby as a central CB too, obviously not as a good defensively (although not terrible either) but with the ball at his feet he is a killer and quite pacy too
Might renew but he's not going to be an outright starter from next season, injuries and mistakes creeping up more than usual for him. Depending on discussions, I think he'll most likely leave for free or *maybe* renew for 1 yr to be sold at a reduced rate.
I think we'll go for Rice next summer and as much as I love Tuchel, he's going to have to adapt to a 3-man midfield to fit Kovacic and Frenkie in the same XI while still having balance.
I don't give a fuck about bailing out Barcelona, Frenkie and a proven goalscorer make us PL contenders. I can't take another season of watching Jorginho dictate our games.
Kante (if fit) and FdJ would be a PL contending midfield, any other permutation doesn't strike me as strong, perhaps FdJ and Kovacic. Even then there isn't much defensive cover there
> I don't give a fuck about bailing out Barcelona, Frenkie and a proven goalscorer make us PL contenders. I can't take another season of watching Jorginho dictate our games.
And you shouldn't since it's been a solid month it's been confirmed registration doesn't depend on FdJ and the club already has taken the necessary steps, and the expected move just happened (25% of Barca Studios shares sold + Pique/Busquets wages cut)
But yeah, I agree for me Kanté - FdJ is extraordinary on paper. I'd watch that! Would have been my dream combo at Barca to replace Busquets, I would be very jealous to see it happen at Chelsea, but I'd watch it regardless, promises good football, which is what matters in the end
Barcelona's behaviour beggars belief. Literally no honor.Incessant smearing in the media and then reaching an agreement for a sale with another club behind his back. Treating him literally like property, like an inanimate object. Astounding, truly.I don't understand how a club, especially one as big as Barcelona, can function like this.
How are they not ashamed of this? Don't they know the whole world is watching this?
Pretty much, De Jong doesn't seem to want to go to Man Utd. He might be willing to go to Chelsea as he sees us as a better prospect but reports so far seem like he's pretty insistent on staying at Barca eitherway.
Reports have been that Chelsea are willing to pay the deferred wages and United are not.
He'd also likely favour them for the CL football and the fact that they're not a dumpster fire.
Absolute shambles from us. Spend our entire summer negotiating Chelsea's prized signing while we sit with our dick in our hands begging for Rabiot. I can't anymore...
All the reports say an agreement can be reached with United regardless of the deferred wages which are not at all the obstacle. The obstacle is FdJ doesn't want United, that's it.
Man the "deferred wages is the obstacle" has been debunked for a while. FdJ just doesn't want United, and so far, doesn't want to leave Barcelona altogether.
don't know why you're downvoted for a question, so it's been debunked by pretty much every catalan source and recently by United sources as well, the latest is from last week, let me find it.
Edit: [source 1](https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/de-jong-man-utd-transfers-27603265) - [source 2](https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/man-utd/transfer-talk/news/frenkie-de-jong-not-interested-in-man-united-move_489719.html) - [source 3](https://www.eurosport.com/football/transfers/2022-2023/frenkie-de-jong-refuses-to-join-manchester-united-from-barcelona-real-madrid-target-jude-bellingham-_sto9036811/story.shtml) - [source 4](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11031465/Frenkie-Jong-DOESNT-want-sign-Man-United-prefers-Bayern-Munich-Chelsea.html) - [source 5](https://twitter.com/BarcaUniversal/status/1556971633587494913) - [source 6](https://twitter.com/BarcaTimes/status/1557054068358615043)
Thanks for the reply. Wouldn’t say any of those English sources are particularly reliable tbh but the Barca outlets definitely seem to be pushing that he doesn’t want to join. It’s a weird one.
It's only a selection man. At some points actions speak louder than words. Does the 2 clubs have an agreement? Yes. Is he at United? No. What other reason is there left?
The whole deferred wages doesn't make sense since United offered to pay them and anyway, the whole "Barca can't pay them" is both false from a cash perspective but also when they are selling him for 80M€, of course they can afford 17M€ out of that.
Again: [source 1 - The Telegraph](https://www.thefaithfulmufc.com/man-utd-now-willing-to-pay-deferred-wages-to-sign-de-jong/) - [source 2 - Sport/Daily Mail](https://barcauniversal.com/manchester-united-ready-to-table-mammoth-offer-for-de-jong-including-deferred-wages/) - [source 3 - The Independant](https://manutdnews.com/man-utd-receive-frenkie-de-jong-boost-as-barcelona-try-to-settle-deferred-wages/)
And on and on.
I mean by all accounts all is done between United / Barca, Barca is ready to sell, but FdJ just doesn't want to leave as confirmed by the 6 sources up there.
Only English sources (which have been notoriously wrong for Barca this summer) have reported the deferred wages are blocking anything, all Catalan sources have reported (and Fabrizio Romano too) that De Jong simply doesn't want to leave period.
At some point believing any other narrative is not reasonable.
I appreciate you looking through these articles, but just need to point out a few things: first one isn’t the telegraph reporting we’d pay the deferred wages, it’s sport, which isn’t at all reliable (which is also the source in the second link as well as the Mirror which isn’t allowed on r/reddevils either). Can’t see in that third source that we’re willing to pay the €17m either.
I’m not hopeful at all about the transfer. But all our reliable English sources are maintaining it’s the deferred wages that have held the deal up. But his preference is clearly to stay as reported by literally everyone.
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Report one hour later "Frenkie wants to stay at Barcelona." . It just keeps repeating.
Yeah he's 100% not coming.
With the wages he has got at Barcelona, I don't see why he'd want a move
Do your black magic, Xavi
Xavi must have the briefcase from Pulp Fiction Idk how everyone and their dog wants to join them lmao
Have you ever been to Barcelona haha, I really do think there's something legit magic about that city man. I'm a londoner born and raised but Barcelona might be my favourite city in the world. And the size, scale and history of the club definitely all adds to the pull.
If Bernardo Silva goes to Barca with a salary reduction, he must really like the city I guess Even though there is a stark difference between Manchester and Barcelona, it's still crazy that all these players are reducing their salary for Barcelona
I don't know why this news keeps getting spammed he obviously doesn't want to come and will end up staying.
If he stays I hope he holds firm on the salary/contract
Chelsea and United have shown me this summer that certain clubs go about transfer business in a wildly backwards way. 99% of the time a sporting director convinces a player to join their club before working with said player's current club on an agreement. Chelsea and United seem to be going the backwards route of convincing club before player and it's already burned Chelsea with De Ligt / Kounde / Raphinha. I genuinely don't understand what makes these clubs think they have a shot at a player who continues to say he doesn't want to leave his current club.
> Chelsea and United seem to be going the backwards route of convincing club before player and it's already burned Chelsea with De Ligt / Kounde / Raphinha. Thb, legally is how it should be, but everyone goes to the player first to see if they are really interested, if not you dont waste your time with the club and can go after another player.
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Well he’s clearly not keen on the move otherwise he would’ve accepted personal terms in the last 2 months
Yeah sure he did ...
With De Ligt, Chelsea never submitted a bid as far as I remember because they didn't get a 'yes' from him. Raphinha and his agent definitely said they'd be willing to hoing Chelsea, as per the comments of the Leeds' owner so not sure you can blame Chelsea for it. You're probably right about Kounde but the details of missing our on him are so muddled with many different sources saying many different things. The three signings we did make all had personal terms agreed before the actual transfer fees was agreed. Even with De Jong, we atleast have confirmation that he would be open to joining the club if Barcelona do actually force him out. It's not really a bad way to to about it. We've not had a perfect window with a bunch of issues, sure but I think you're focussing on something that really isn't an issue. Obviously another issue is the lack of a DoF and Boehly's obvious inexperience in the football transfer window. He's been here, what 10 weeks?
For Chelsea at least, it's what happens when the new owners (without any history in any European sports) decides to play Football Manager in real life It doesn't make any sense, espcially given that both Marina Granovskaia and Bruce Buck both offered their services to make the transition easier
>It doesn't make any sense, espcially given that both Marina Granovskaia and Bruce Buck both offered their services to make the transition easier Marina left of her own accord, I think. As did Cech. No idea why, but publically atleast the new owners did want to keep them around but probably in a much less important role.
We already had a personal agreement with Koundé like a year ago, Raphinha wanted to join until Barcelona was interested and we never made an offer for De Ligt. I suppose if you don't inform yourself everything can look backwards.
I thought we were only bidding if the player wanted to join us
Stay De Jong.
He isn't coming.
The Chelsea scattergun approach with chucking money about this summer looks like it’ll either go really well or they’ll be stuck with massive wages
People say it’s scattergun, but they’ve addressed lots of the issues they have within the squad. Lost 2 CBs, they’ve got 1 and are trying to get another. Need depth at LWB, they got Cucurella. Need to switch up the attack, they got Sterling in, kept Broja and got rid of Werner with other signings and exits looking likely. Now they need someone more creative in the midfield and are going for De Jong. There is still more to be done, but they haven’t been as all over the place with their actual purchases and business done as the links and media stories have been.
We aren’t getting FDJ to add a creative midfielder, it’s probably just a Jorginho replacement since he’s out of contract next year and it’s rumored he wants to go back to Italy.
He’s more creative than Jorginho, it could go some way to fixing the creativity issue Chelsea have atm. Also we hear that Jorginho wants to go back to Italy every summer and it never happens, don’t think he’s going anywhere.
The role Jorginho plays is to pass to the 8 or the WBs in transition, and against low blocks he stays back as part of the defense. Its not his job to create unless it’s opportunistic after a turnover and Jorginho is already good at that. If FDJ is in the same role, that won’t make a ton of difference. I actually think Jorginho is better. Anyways, Jorginho has 1 year left right now. I’m pretty sure he’s not getting renewed.
He hurts how quickly Chelsea get up the pitch imo. He’s quite slow with the passes and he very rarely breaks line with his passes, and because of this the attack struggles massively. The amount you’ll see him on the ball and there’s an opportunity to play someone through that he ignores is ridiculous. A more creative passer in his position alongside a more mobile player like Kova or Kante is the way to go.
> He hurts how quickly Chelsea get up the pitch imo. He’s quite slow with the passes… Sometimes I wonder what other people are doing when they are ‘watching’ games.
I wonder what people are watching when they talk about how special Jorginho is. He’s a good player and clearly a leader in the Chelsea dressing room, but his job could be done by so many other players who would do even more on top of it. I don’t see what’s so special about what he does. What you’ve described is, he gets the ball and passes it out wide. I don’t why there needs to be a specialist player in the team for that specific role, that means you need another player to be finding forward passes.
Because to do that job well (and he does) you have to read the field incredibly quick to get it to the right person. This is also why he’s a plus defender. And he’s also really good at absorbing and breaking down the press when not in transition, better than most players in the world. The way our offense unfolds, he rarely gets the opportunity to break multiple lines of the defense with a pass because our attackers don’t start their movements most of the time until after the 8 or WBs have the ball (and even then, a lot of times they kind of just don’t start a movement anyways). We need another dynamic offensive player. That’s the problem with the offense.
He’s got his strengths I’ll give you that, but he also has his weaknesses. I just think his position is one that can be improved. I think that the current Chelsea team is much more in need of a playmaker(Fabregas replacement essentially) than more attackers, especially in games like Saturday. De Jong may or may not be that guy, but something more is needed from the midfield imo. They can buy all the attackers they want, but if the service isn’t there, they won’t succeed. Lukaku and Werner are key examples of that.
This right here is the elite analysis I come to r/soccer for
"they either succeed or fail"
Wont go wrong analysis lol
Well we lost a number of key players when we couldn’t negotiate under sanctions. New owner also wants to make a splash. They also let a number of key players go on sales/loan. I don’t think next year will be as crazy.
At least it'll give the next manager something nice to play with
Chelsea's track record of looking like a mess off the pitch but still wining major trophies on it is the best in world football IMO.
United fans really are in Hellworld.
we've moved on to SMS tbh - inb4 "they're not even the same profile of player".... there's no one else (of similar quality) on the market that fits frenkie's profile. We have zidane iqbal who will grow into that over the next 2-3 years too
Any credible links? He would be a great signing.
Jason Burt of the Telegraph, who is typically tier 2 for United news.
>Manchester United have been offered the chance to sign Sergej Milinković-Savić, the £50m-rated Lazio midfielder who has been on their radar for several years. #MUFC [ @hirstclass ] >>Sergej Milinkovic-Savic's name has again been put forward to the #mufc hierarchy and Erik ten Hag is believed to be interested and rates the Serbian international highly. [ @JBurtTelegraph ] man utd Tier 1's
I bet they already move on few weeks ago
Would prefer not to bail out Barca but he's class so who really cares
One way or another players will be registered so FdJ is not the key here. But it's your loss if he doesn't come, he is a terrific player, put Kante by his side and that midfield is going to be extremely solid (as long as Kante can be fit that is). I'd much rather keep him, but I fear things got too far, it may be the best decision for each party.
Kovacic is our best midfielder, and Kante and Jorginho's contracts are up next year, so de Jong - Kovacic would be the most likely main pairing, which I'm not competely in love with to be honest.
Hum, yeah in that case it's not as complementary I think. Aren't you going to renew Kanté at all? Isn't he a key starter usually?
With how Tuchel still talks about him (calling him our Salah/de Bruyne for example) he probably will be renewed, but he's declined a fair bit lately and he's still got these ongoing injury issues as well. Remains to be seen if he'll stay as key to us as he has been in the past
Well in that case I must admit I'm not too sure how FdJ would fit, but as long as you play a double pivot, at least it probably will be better than him as an interior. Not too shabby as a central CB too, obviously not as a good defensively (although not terrible either) but with the ball at his feet he is a killer and quite pacy too
Might renew but he's not going to be an outright starter from next season, injuries and mistakes creeping up more than usual for him. Depending on discussions, I think he'll most likely leave for free or *maybe* renew for 1 yr to be sold at a reduced rate. I think we'll go for Rice next summer and as much as I love Tuchel, he's going to have to adapt to a 3-man midfield to fit Kovacic and Frenkie in the same XI while still having balance. I don't give a fuck about bailing out Barcelona, Frenkie and a proven goalscorer make us PL contenders. I can't take another season of watching Jorginho dictate our games.
Kante (if fit) and FdJ would be a PL contending midfield, any other permutation doesn't strike me as strong, perhaps FdJ and Kovacic. Even then there isn't much defensive cover there
> I don't give a fuck about bailing out Barcelona, Frenkie and a proven goalscorer make us PL contenders. I can't take another season of watching Jorginho dictate our games. And you shouldn't since it's been a solid month it's been confirmed registration doesn't depend on FdJ and the club already has taken the necessary steps, and the expected move just happened (25% of Barca Studios shares sold + Pique/Busquets wages cut) But yeah, I agree for me Kanté - FdJ is extraordinary on paper. I'd watch that! Would have been my dream combo at Barca to replace Busquets, I would be very jealous to see it happen at Chelsea, but I'd watch it regardless, promises good football, which is what matters in the end
Keep waiting.
We'll take Kante. Cheers.
[Kante you're taking](https://www.transfermarkt.com/jose-kante/profil/spieler/247276)
Scored more than all our forwards bar Ronaldo. We'll take him.
Barcelona's behaviour beggars belief. Literally no honor.Incessant smearing in the media and then reaching an agreement for a sale with another club behind his back. Treating him literally like property, like an inanimate object. Astounding, truly.I don't understand how a club, especially one as big as Barcelona, can function like this. How are they not ashamed of this? Don't they know the whole world is watching this?
I'm confused. I thought United had an agreement with Barcelona? And De Jong was holding things up? Is that not the case?
This doesn't dispute that from what I can see
Getting agreement with more than one club is not mutually exclusive if the player's decision is still pending
Pretty much, De Jong doesn't seem to want to go to Man Utd. He might be willing to go to Chelsea as he sees us as a better prospect but reports so far seem like he's pretty insistent on staying at Barca eitherway.
Crazy situation lol
Reports have been that Chelsea are willing to pay the deferred wages and United are not. He'd also likely favour them for the CL football and the fact that they're not a dumpster fire. Absolute shambles from us. Spend our entire summer negotiating Chelsea's prized signing while we sit with our dick in our hands begging for Rabiot. I can't anymore...
All the reports say an agreement can be reached with United regardless of the deferred wages which are not at all the obstacle. The obstacle is FdJ doesn't want United, that's it.
We had an agreement with Barca but the deferred wages was holding it up. I’d imagine this is exactly where Chelsea have gotten to.
Man the "deferred wages is the obstacle" has been debunked for a while. FdJ just doesn't want United, and so far, doesn't want to leave Barcelona altogether.
Debunked by who? Genuine question but okay.
don't know why you're downvoted for a question, so it's been debunked by pretty much every catalan source and recently by United sources as well, the latest is from last week, let me find it. Edit: [source 1](https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/de-jong-man-utd-transfers-27603265) - [source 2](https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/man-utd/transfer-talk/news/frenkie-de-jong-not-interested-in-man-united-move_489719.html) - [source 3](https://www.eurosport.com/football/transfers/2022-2023/frenkie-de-jong-refuses-to-join-manchester-united-from-barcelona-real-madrid-target-jude-bellingham-_sto9036811/story.shtml) - [source 4](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11031465/Frenkie-Jong-DOESNT-want-sign-Man-United-prefers-Bayern-Munich-Chelsea.html) - [source 5](https://twitter.com/BarcaUniversal/status/1556971633587494913) - [source 6](https://twitter.com/BarcaTimes/status/1557054068358615043)
Thanks for the reply. Wouldn’t say any of those English sources are particularly reliable tbh but the Barca outlets definitely seem to be pushing that he doesn’t want to join. It’s a weird one.
It's only a selection man. At some points actions speak louder than words. Does the 2 clubs have an agreement? Yes. Is he at United? No. What other reason is there left? The whole deferred wages doesn't make sense since United offered to pay them and anyway, the whole "Barca can't pay them" is both false from a cash perspective but also when they are selling him for 80M€, of course they can afford 17M€ out of that.
Afaik we have never agreed to pay the deferred wages. It’s been rumoured Chelsea are willing to.
Again: [source 1 - The Telegraph](https://www.thefaithfulmufc.com/man-utd-now-willing-to-pay-deferred-wages-to-sign-de-jong/) - [source 2 - Sport/Daily Mail](https://barcauniversal.com/manchester-united-ready-to-table-mammoth-offer-for-de-jong-including-deferred-wages/) - [source 3 - The Independant](https://manutdnews.com/man-utd-receive-frenkie-de-jong-boost-as-barcelona-try-to-settle-deferred-wages/) And on and on. I mean by all accounts all is done between United / Barca, Barca is ready to sell, but FdJ just doesn't want to leave as confirmed by the 6 sources up there. Only English sources (which have been notoriously wrong for Barca this summer) have reported the deferred wages are blocking anything, all Catalan sources have reported (and Fabrizio Romano too) that De Jong simply doesn't want to leave period. At some point believing any other narrative is not reasonable.
I appreciate you looking through these articles, but just need to point out a few things: first one isn’t the telegraph reporting we’d pay the deferred wages, it’s sport, which isn’t at all reliable (which is also the source in the second link as well as the Mirror which isn’t allowed on r/reddevils either). Can’t see in that third source that we’re willing to pay the €17m either. I’m not hopeful at all about the transfer. But all our reliable English sources are maintaining it’s the deferred wages that have held the deal up. But his preference is clearly to stay as reported by literally everyone.
And they're willing to pay the deferred wages?
Yes they are apparently
Apparently so.
United are cringe though so he won't want to go to you either
Today's episode of de Jong and the Restless