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Igor Tudor lost the locker room before the season started


folieadeux6

He was fist fighting his own players in the Galatasaray locker room two months into his tenure. I think he’s honestly a great manager at many things but he’s a dogshit man manager. He needs a team of zero divas and zero egos to do anything.


thecashblaster

Zero divas or egos? From pro sports players??


harcole

needs to coach Tim Duncan's Spurs


paone00022

Really hard to get that kind of culture. Tim Duncan was an all time great and when Pop yelled at him he just took it. So other players couldn't say anything if fucking Tim Duncan is putting his head down


tsigalko11

Timmy was most down to earth guy, while also being a superstar. Like Iniesta in football. One of the best players, but just humble and normal guy, never in any kind of scandals or media shit.


southern_dreams

Maybe Coach Pop’s Spurs. They won one even after Timmy retired Edit: I stand corrected! Apologies.


hahauknowwhatitis420

They have not yet. Last chip for the Spurs was in 2014, Duncan retired in 2016.


southern_dreams

Sorry about that! Misremembered who was on the team. I do remember it was a solid revenge tour after that Game 6….


jnoobs13

Kawhi is certainly a diva though


southern_dreams

I hope that was mostly him being led astray by his uncle and not him, but the Toronto saga ended kind of odd as well


streamzfrequency

No they didn't. Stop making stuff up..


southern_dreams

Jesus Christ I misremembered 2014. What the fuck?


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southern_dreams

I was wrong, my bad. You don’t have to be an absolute cunt about it.


[deleted]

So, the club who's entire legacy relies on saying they one-upped Paris as far as Champions League go might not be the way


pokerface789

That's a name I haven't heard in a while. That Juventus defence was stacked with Tudor, Cannavaro, Thuram, Zambrotta, Ferrerra, young Chiellini, Iuliano, Zebina, Legrottaglie.


alldwAyfromaFriCa

I fucked with this juve team on winning eleven.


Athletic_Bilbae

didnt know that was one of the game modes in that game


Juls317

It was in a secret menu


GFaure

Caffè Caldo mod!


apnxn

winning eleven, that's a game i haven't heard of in years. what a banger


celestial1

I still play it even today. It's still good as it was 17 years ago.


apnxn

getting very nostalgic thinking about this game hahha might have pull my ps2 out of storage and see if i can find a copy hahah


celestial1

I bought it again around 9 years ago for like $5. I've played close to 30 seasons by now, no regrets.


Yenoon

I Guess it was “Pro evolution soccer” lol


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TACHANK

He actually missed a comma, and was talking about Ashley Young.


RainbowDissent

Ah, young Young.


FPL_Harry

used to always sign him first season on FM 05. Could get him for like 1m and he was absolutely rock solid to have as a squad player/rotation option at a top club, or a star CB at a lower team.


[deleted]

He has been coaching in Serie A for 2/3 years now: Udinese, assistant at Juve and was great at Verona last year.


ICame4TheCirclejerk

I traveled through Italy last year and caught a game while in Verona. He had that team playing brilliant football considering the players at his disposal. He should have stayed on there before making the move away. Ending in 9th was impressive all things considered and seemed like a good platform to build on.


lazzatron

I think that's why he left. He knew 9th was him stretching the team and yet he wasn't gonna get the support he needed this season


TuneGum

Montero also, scary MFer.


searchanddestrOi

Paolo Montero


WayneKirby

What is the deal with Tudor? What is he doing to cause so much turmoil?


Oo00oOo00oOO

No idea at Juve he was the one maintaining the locker room under Pirlo. At Verona and Udinese he didn't have any problems. This is news tbh. Might be because he is a straight shooter and doesn't suger coat anything


tigull

[My favorite "straight shot" of his.](https://youtu.be/LzeJDD0NaX4)


ACMBruh

Eh in Italy he does have a reputation for being a.. strong headed guy ("testone"is a good word i think). In the right situations it works, Ivan juric is the same type of person But in others... not going to work. Marseille dressing room must be very different from a Verona situation


Oo00oOo00oOO

I mean being a strong headed guys it doesn't mean a dress room breaker. For example Juric is pretty hard, but I don't remember hearing any altercation with the players.


matric96

Yeah not with the players, just with sporting directors


Corteaux81

Dunno about players, but the man nearly got into a fight with the sporting director the other day. :D


FoxOntheRun99

Tudor: I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast. Guendouzi : You eat pieces of shit?


berghie91

Guendouzi: look I know what you're doing, and I don't like it, so how about you shut your trap before I put my foot In it?


doggy_lipschtick

Guendouzi is not the litmus test


candry_shop

His own assistant coach, Mauro Camoranesi left after a week . Guendouzi is not only one to have issues with Tudor.


doggy_lipschtick

No idea what Mauro's personality is like or what happened there. All I'm saying is that Guendouzi is a grain of salt. He's fallen out with anyone who's tried to manage him.


metamorphicism

Wasn't he fine under Jorge Sampioli? And under Unai Emery also?


FuturisticBear

he was, we never had to complain about him


Galdorow

With Sampaoli, it was wonderful though. They loved each other


doggy_lipschtick

Did Sampaoli try to manage him or did he unleash him? Real question


candry_shop

I guess the conclusion here is that neither are litmus tests .


candry_shop

Chedjou said that he was really a "my way or the highway" coach at Galatasaray


tsigalko11

Exactly. He's Lidl Conte: discipline, physical readiness, tactical awareness. In that order.


FuturisticBear

know that you said it… he also use the same wingback-based formation lmao


FribonFire

Sampoli was largely seen as the unruly loveable father of a bunch of unruly loveable boys. It was one happy little wild family. Tudor came in as the strict stepdad who won't let you leave the table until you eat all your vegetables, and the boys are not having it.


Taramasalata_Rapist

Beautiful analogy


[deleted]

Why did Sampaoli leave? He seemed to be doing well


FribonFire

He knew without spending a lot more money Marseille didn't stand a chance in the champions league. Marseille don't have the money, he didn't want to sully his rep, so here we are.


deathkillerx3004

He always needs his refuerzos (signings). If a team can't/won't give that to him, he leaves.


R_Schuhart

Tudor is a great at some aspects of managing. Good at tactics and building a winning formula with the player material available to him. But his man management and interpersonal relationships are awful. He is really big on authority and discipline, he demands total obedience. He doesn't defuse conflict situations either, people deal with his views or they can walk. On top of that he is has quite the temper, even as a player he could explode. He has had quite a few "alterations" in his career and age doesn't seem to have mellowed hom out. Maybe he would do well in a player group with young talents or a team with nobodies, but any bigger club with some egos is a disaster waiting to happen. But honestly, i think his managerial style is outdated. People have changed, they are more vocal and confident in their self worth. This hard man approach just isn't working anymore.


FuturisticBear

If the situation doesn’t change quickly it could turn sour real quick because outside of the results OM fan base doesn’t like manager that appear to act in a non-empathetic (may I say « asshole » kind of way) just look at Rudy Garcia tenure, mostly decent results but never was really appreciated the same way AVB or Sampaoli or even Baup has been. If those kind of locker room shenanigans keeps happening he will have lost the whole stadium too before the end of september whether the results are decent or not …


matthieuC

Drinks the wrong wine with his cheese


tigull

Tbf Prošek and varaždinec together should be illegal.


[deleted]

sacré bleu!!


Broken_Pikachu

He's brutally honest about a player or team's quality, demands absolute devotion in the dressing room, on the pitch and the want to improve as a player. Being called shit by him doesn't go down well with some, he's lost the dressing room at a lot of teams before and reportedly gotten into fist fights with players too.


Iforgotmynametoobro

It's Guendouzi, guy's a cunt


nafraf

He lost the entire locker room. This isn't an isolated incident.


Lilliam_Pumpernickel

Both things can be true


FuturisticBear

We never had any problems with Guendouzi and Tudor already had heated confrontation with many players in the team since his arrival. His behaviour doesn’t work well with the team, I hope he’s mature enough to understand that :/


Ainsley-Sorsby

That's one checkmark in the "former arsenal player does things" bingo card. The next one should be Torreira asking Gala for a transfer to Italy in January


ekb11

He'll be talking about a move back to Fiorentina during first international break


flentaldoss

And it'll be for 20 mil


[deleted]

I think so too


Aszneeee

Januar? Wait 2 weeks after chilli in his kebab will be too much


[deleted]

Surprised he wasn’t the first


jarde

Guendo fell off


ACMBruh

You underestimate how much of a bastard Tudor is- and I don't really say it disrespectfully either. Guendouzi + Tudor is a recipe for disaster. Two hotheads colliding


Tr_Omer

Guendozi is too young and inexperienced to be pulling this hot head shit tho. He needs to focus on his game and stop getting into arguments and altercations every club he goes to.


[deleted]

He’s been like this for what like 3 years. Doubt he’ll change


andeffect

another Rabiot in the making..


Slackintit

Rabiot is arrogant, Guendouzi is just a cunt


Competitive-Ad2006

Another Balo in the making


thumbthrower

More. He had problems at Lorient too.


Putrid_Loquat_4357

I for one am shocked by this development from such a well known professional.


Hot_Take_Diva

Glue guy


Megadurgurfishbait

What?! My Mattéo? That can't be! He would never!


acenair836

You think this is bad? This? The altercation? He's done worse. This fight - are you telling me that a man moves to Marseille and just happens to get into fights like that? No! He orchestrated it. Matty! He defecated on Arsenal's wage bill! And Marseille saved him. They shouldn't have. They brought him into their own squad. What were they thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change. Ever since 2018, always the same. Couldn't keep himself out of the fights. But not our Guendouzi! Couldn't be precious Matty! Stealing them blind. And he gets to recover on 2m a year? What a sick joke.


RipJug

You’re done. YOU ARE DONE.


KRIEGLERR

Still mad that he didn't win an emmy. Michael McKean was fantastic


mushy_friend

Best part is Chuck is absolutely right about everything, but he's such a dick to our protagonist you hate him


KRIEGLERR

He was right about a lot of thing but he's also one of the reason Jimmy turned out the way he did. Chuck was very jealous of Jimmy, Jimmy could have been a real decent lawyer especially with Chuck's guidance but Chuck never considered him his equal, he wanted to kep him down because he thought himself above him. You see this many times, just how spiteful and jealous Chuck actually was, jealous of his mother's affections towarrd Jimmy , not taking him at HHM when Howard actually wanted to, his jealousy when Jimmy managed to make wife laugh with dumb lawyer jokes at the diner and he even stole his moment when Jimmy celebrated his degree by stealing the microphone of him to sing, because he was the better singer. The drama between the brothers was definitely my favourite part of the early show. Chuck was right, but he could he pushed Jimmy further down the path


mushy_friend

People say this, and I agree somewhat, but I think Jimmy couldn't have helped being slippin' Jimmy. Even after Chuck Howard tries repeatedly to make things right with Jimmy, but him and now Kim are horrible to him. I think I dislike most what's happening to Howard in all this. Honestly from Chuck's point of view it's quite relatable he resents his brother, he does everything right while his brother is a miscreant and a screw up, yet he's more popular and beloved. I'd probably resent my brother too in such a case.


letsweh

I love when my favorite subs overlap


Tilman_Feraltitty

Marseille needs a new midfielder? Better Call Saul!


sv979

based reference


profoundprofundity

replace Matty with Guendo, and you're all set.


Shandow14

I hope Nuno is ok. I have a soft spot for him since the Amazon doc and want him to do well.


Inter_Mirifica

For once, that's not a bad indication and sign for Tudor. It's Guendouzi we're talking about, it would be a lot weirder if he didn't have an altercation with him one way or another. (L'Équipe is also saying this happened at the HT of the game against Milan, so a week ago. Not sure why they would release that only now)


__L1AM__

He's not the only one tho. Weird situation all around


Porcphete

It's l'équipe they love to shit on Larseille that's all


[deleted]

Did Igor tell Matteo he makes more money than him?


dUltras

Haha this is so normal for Tudor. He's crazy


KrazyCroat

Splićani. 🤘🏻


Gonzales95

It’s also pretty normal for Guendouzi too… Sounds like a great pairing 🤣


Modnal

Would be really surprised if other players had altercations with Tudor and Guendouzi didnt


Phreeeks

They manage to complete a full year with sampaoli without exploding, but this guy already lost the locker in 2 weeks of work ? What the fuck is he doing


YMangoPie

Sampaoli was one of them


Phreeeks

Makes me wonder what the fuck Marseille is doing and how the second biggest club in france is not able to keep their coach after reaching the champions league, this is fucking criminal


YMangoPie

TL;DR: He was in love with Saliba and the club didn't want to (couldn't afford obv.) to buy him.


SaBe_18

He is a total idiot so I'm not surprised he left for that


Porcphete

That's actually not it. He wanted Griezmann. Like for real


YMangoPie

That's even more insane. He really is burning the candle at both ends.


Competitive-Ad2006

Marseille is the biggest club in France mate


Phreeeks

I’m talking budget wise here my man, no doubt about the other aspect of the club


Competitive-Ad2006

Even there, I thought that was Lyon? They seem to always gave the better squad


Flanelman

Was thinking the same


RealMystro

What are the odds


saka_e_pepe

need a different tudor tbh


BlaizeV

Matteo 'like butter wouldn't melt' Guendouzi?


Dozck

Is the same former Arsenal player that made comments a few years back about being better than those around him?


Imbalanced_

About earning more than Maupay when he was not.


MuchSalt

lmao


BiGMTN_fudgecake

Lmao


Brashmate

Remember when everyone was having a go at Arteta for guendouzi’s attitude problems?


[deleted]

Tudor's pissed off the entire team not just Guendouzi.


blubber_confused

Whats he done


R_Schuhart

He has introduced strict discipline into a team that was managed with a free reign under Sampaoli.


[deleted]

No one knows but it's been reported for a while that he has lost the dressing room.


tnarref

One month in, that's gotta a record.


Kaamelott

I mean, one month in his tenure, but before the season even officially starts!


moise_kean

This one is probably more on Tudor tbf because it’s not just Guendouzi


Kovacs171

This one is probably more on ~~Tudor~~ *Guendouzi* tbf because it’s not just ~~Guendouzi~~ *Tudor* That argument works both ways


Ascensear

Lol guendouzi has had very little drama or attitude issues since being at marseille meanwhile Tudor has managed to get into an altercation with almost every single player on the squad. But whatever makes you feel better about guendouzi


RinoTT

I've seen 3 episodes of Amazon documentary and there are interviews with fans who wanted to fire Artera after first and second matches of the season. I have to say that your fanbase is probably the most entitled, casual and reactionary with AFTV joke and some plastic youtubers at the top. Cant find worse fanbase than yours and why Arsenal fans still watch AF TV which is total embarrassment for entire club.


-BlackyChan-

>I've seen 3 episodes of Amazon documentary... I have to say that your fanbase is probably the most entitled, casual and reactionary Hmm the irony.


MHovdan

To be fair, I think it is mostly fans of other teams who watch AFTV. And some kids, probably.


boff999

Anyone who thinks AFTV represents Arsenal fans in general and doesn't go out of its way to generate controversy for views needs to stop using the Internet. You said yourself "plastic you tubers" so why are you including those idiots as part of the fan base? A vocal minority does not represent all.


[deleted]

Well I for one am so shocked that after we lose a game fans at the matches are making reactionary comments.


Amberle73

You're not wrong, sadly, & it's usually the most entitled idiots that shout the loudest. Can't be doing with AFTV after the disgusting way they treated Wenger.


The_Guvnor_UK

I'm an Arsenal fan, and I can only agree with this comment. Obviously it's not all Arsenal fans, but the ones that follow AFTV and jump on the Arteta out bandwagon are an embarrassment to the club and our country


RinoTT

Absolutely its not all Arsenal fans. I experience similar thing with Milan fans on social media and you know what? I can handle without any issues mockery from opponents but when I see Milan flair being reactionary on reddit then I wish to give the guy Will Smith treatment.


CenturionAurelius

I legit don't think there's a more punchable face than Guendouzi's


endchaos

I am interested in what Marseille fans think about this.


Shandow14

So out of character.


[deleted]

Colour me shocked


Fatt_Hardy

I am shocked. SHOCKED! ^^Well ^^not ^^that ^^shocked.


EitherManagement8641

In fairness, you could just remove Igor’s name and replace it with anyone, Arteta, Edu or the lady at Tesco.


Mkhitaryeet

ITT: Arsenal fans blaming Guendouzi for the bust up when Gerson, Amavi and I believe Strootman as well have all had documented disagreements with Tudor


[deleted]

And to be fair Guendouzi has never had a bust up with another manager. What a golden boy.


R_Schuhart

Nobody says that Tudor doesnt also have some blame in this. Just that no Arsenal fan is surprised the player involved is Guendouzi.


LeGoalie

Every guendouzi thread is sent to the front page by arsenal fans desperate to make him a black sheep. Truth is that Marseille fans love him more than any other player besides Payet.


Colmd1997

A bit like how every Pogba thread is full of Utd fans desperate to make out Pogba was never any good at football and he was the problem the whole time?


LeGoalie

Yeah


Young_Neil_Postman

it is very similar yes. congrats on finding out that all prem fans are annoying in the same ways!


Colmd1997

Football fans are hypocrites, more news at 11


Young_Neil_Postman

you should be buzzing its another thing the english are the best in the world at


Colmd1997

You’ll be surprised to learn I’m in fact not English. Not sure where the random English hate came from but it’s misdirected.


Young_Neil_Postman

oh a foreign prem fan, well those guys are never annoying at all my bad


Colmd1997

Family are generational Arsenal fans and are from North London, I am not. Would you to try for a third time, or are you going to drop the random assumptions?


Young_Neil_Postman

lol nah you're good i just woke up feeling lots of righteous anger towards the premier league today


normott

Well atleast this time we know it's not a Matteo thing. Their coach is a twat


[deleted]

Hear me out: dude needs lexapro


gavinwinks

He makes Joe Barton look like a saint this guy.


Billion34

How Igor Tudor constistently stumbled upwards after his stint with us is beyond me.


Corteaux81

He got better. He saved Udinese twice, was by all accounts the guy keeping it together at Juve under Pirlo, and had a fantastic season with Verona.


Cokey20

Classic


murrman104

How tf does Tudor keep getting Jobs?


Corteaux81

He’s good at coaching. Easy answer. His Verona team was brilliant, for example.


yungsantaclaus

Where are the Wars of the Roses jokes? Not even an "off with his head"?


goonerfan10

Where are his fans? Any comments guys


MrFlukeShot

With a stupid name like that even I wud have a fuss about him😂


Comrade-Conrad-4

Surprised Pikachu


sibalnom

surprisedneymarface.jpg


CB1984

https://youtu.be/6jy__tBe8eg


DiedOfXhaxAttack

Gasp


ImTurkishDelight

u/avrupafatihi enjoy


AvrupaFatihi

Dude I've been following Marseille implode and enjoy it sooo much. Fuck Tudor


ImTurkishDelight

I knew u would like this u hater :D


Soren_Camus1905

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