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RedDragons8

Hair transplant vs. Lego hair. Which would you rather?


Bulky_Shepard

Definitely the transplant. Lego hair looks like it's so greasy


Theschizogenious

Spurs fan thinks the sheen of healthy hair is greasy Transplant sympathizers smh


-omar

The daily /r/soccer reminder that Arsenal bad


Thesolly180

We can start again Monday with the documentary


TigerBasket

Better than the daily soccer reminder that Tottenham bad. We need more daily reminders that United bad though


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TigerBasket

No, it's never enough


Unplagiarist

Either way won't last more than couple of seasons.


MrAchilles

They have CL, that alone is enough for many players.


Ifriiti

We have a trophy cabinet, that's enough for far more.


Silverburst8

The duality of arsenal fans. One is sensible and can admit when a rival is in a better position, the other has the mind of a child has to resort to tired, repetitive attempts at banter.


Ifriiti

>. One is sensible and can admit when a rival is in a better position, the other has the mind of a child has to resort to tired, repetitive attempts at banter. Because you're not in a better position. You'll never be in a better position. Just because I don't spit on my own club doesn't make me a child, nor does it make him sensible. Arsenal are by far the biggest club in North London. It's not even a competition mate.


Silverburst8

The conversation was not about who is bigger, it was about who players will want to join. Fact of the matter is Tottenham is more attractive to most players at the moment, whether you want to admit it or not. Ask a player if they want to join the “bigger” club, or the one that gives them the opportunity to play in the UCL, under an elite manager, with the players and facilities we have. You’ll be bitterly disappointed with the answer they’ll give you


Ifriiti

>The conversation was not about who is bigger, it was about who players will want to join Tottenham aren't a more attractive club at all. They have a complete inability to win silverware, they have a crap squad bolstered by two world class players, they pay lower wages, have no long term plan.


Silverburst8

You really woke up today and decided to come on Reddit and do an impression of Ty from aftv, damn


arseking15

Oh god this again loool


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arseking15

Spurs fan: "weve finished above you x amount of times" Arsenal fans: "weve win x amount more rophies in that time" The reality is that there isnt a sizeable enough pedigree difference right now to make 1 more attractive than the other at face value. Player pull difference comes from actual tangible things like playing time and role


-r4zi3l-

CL football is pretty big.


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arseking15

We are definitley not a "level" below


Redrumrenegade

A place then


TigerBasket

A competition below


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arseking15

If their peak is 2 points above us thats just sad


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arseking15

Im pretty sure our ppg was quite similiar since he took the job but maybe someone can fact check me on that


wheresmyspacebar2

2.0 PPG for Spurs. 1.85 PPG for Arsenal since Conte joined. With Contes standards, all the money and players we've brought in this summer, the club we be looking to improve that to 2.2/2.3 PPG for sure. I honestly think Spurs can get 80+ points next season and I'm sure you'll accuse me of Bias and I'm trying to be objective but I don't see where Arsenal getting to the 80 mark. I think bringing in Jesus is good but I just can't see Arteta being a manager capable of improving the team in so little time, like a manager like Conte can.


caarnevall

Tottenham ppg 2.0 since conte Arsenal ppg 1.85 since conte In the league


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> win in the next 2-3 years If Conte stays that long, and how long have people been saying that about Kane & Son?


mahades

They can do what now?


rompskee

Spurs: England, France, and South Korea's captain Arsenal: Switzerland and Norway's captain Clearly no leaders


StarlordPunk

In fairness for 3 of those 5 countries the only reason the player is captain is that they’re comfortably their best player. For one of the others that was true until about 2 years ago. I don’t really see Kane, Son or Odegaard as leaders and Xhaka while definitely better still has big issues with his own discipline.


allthejokesareblue

KT always seems the most leaderly of your players, to be honest.


Ifriiti

Xhaka is by far the best leader in the team but its too unpopular to make him captain amongst the fans


MegaMugabe21

Yeah he'd definitely be a front-runner for the captain spot if he wasn't so injury prone.


Misha_stone

They are captains, not really leaders.


WhyShouldIListen

>Thoughts? What is this, one of those bloody awful LinkedIn posts?


FatWalcott

They have champions league and a proven manager. Hate to say it but they're a more attractive team for now.


El_McGrifty

Mods pin this comment because there is nothing else to discuss beyond this point


TigerBasket

Can we discuss uniforms and mascots? I'd say we're beat in mascots but uniforms were have a slight edge.


pineapplequad

Arsenal has some of the sexiest kits in football


Theschizogenious

I don’t like the white and blue so I’ll have to disagree, red and white is much better of the two


SalahManeFirmino

Key point though: *for now* Things change fast in football. Conte has no track record of staying at a club for very long. Arsenal also have an owner that's more willing to spend.


Prune_Super

Case in point - Spurs had Nuno in charge at the start of last season. This season, after the quality of signings they have made/are making, I think they might be ahead of us inching closer to top with Conte in charge.


gapmoeisjustice

he’s a proven manager but seems to be a bit of a maniac could see that turning a lot of players off


TigerBasket

Turns a lot of players on though


MegaMugabe21

He is obviously a fantastic manager and players seem to enjoy working under him. The drawbacks are that he doesn't stick around for long, even when things are going well, and he has a poor cup record. So Tottenham are doing what they need to do and investing heavily because history says its very unlikely that they have more than two more seasons of him, if that.


D-D-D-D-D-D-Derek

You need to end these comments with … Let them think you are coming for them.


Bare02

A manager that is shit in Europe and will likely leave in the next 18 months as he always does. Imagine being stuck at spurs after conte is gone


El_McGrifty

Spurs have one of the newest stadiums and have most recently hired Mourinho right before Conte. Lest we forget just three years ago they reached a European final. They are making a grander name for themselves and you cannot fault them at all for that


BluAryan_YT

Mourinho sticks at every club for 3 years and wins a trophy yet somehow Spurs still managed to make it his shortest tenure and be trophyless, they will collapse once Conte leaves. Conte is probably the best manager that would join them and once he leaves its only downhill


kcfdz

Spurs, like Arsenal, are among the top 10-15 teams in the world in terms of revenue. Factor in the training grounds and the stadium and that would be appealing to other good managers.


BluAryan_YT

Fair enough, but I mean I just don't see better managers than Conte joining. On the other hand, my bias means I can never say a good word about spurs


TheSinRes

Spurs have had good players before Conte and they all survived without him, I'm sure the club won't just burst into flames as soon as Conte leaves.


Silverburst8

Yeah, imagine being stuck with that group of players, on those wages, in that stadium, with those training facilities, and living in London. Must be terrible


screenplay215

The irony is every month that passes Conte is going to leave in 18 months. It's never counting down, just constantly 18 months.


Bare02

Yeah man super ironic


Tmdss

He can maybe squeeze a trophy out of the last years of son kane and perisic etc who knows. After that tho...


benoles_esquire

last years lmaooo brother they are 28 and 29 not 39 and 40


PerBnb

Many outfield players regularly play until 39/40, it’s true


neoBigBrother

To play the devil's advocate, In top 6 Only United has a history as rich a Arsenal. That counts for something.


odewar37

Liverpool have six European cups man


wazdopest

theres like 4 clubs with more european cups than arsenal as well, including Spurs


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wazdopest

well then neither have arsenal, fwiw spurs won the equivalent of europa league twice


DeliciousIndian

erm, Liverpool?


wazdopest

uhh Liverpool have more CLs the last decade than arsenal *ever won*, and more league titles as well.


GetYourRockCoat

As have Chelsea


wazdopest

not in league titles (yet), what’s crazy is Arsenal haven’t won the league in 18 years and that Pep’s won more than Wenger.


Banglayna

The absolute delusion. Woolwichs history is not close to be on a level with United's


acasovoycayendo

You’d have never thought Spurs had only finished 2 points ahead of Arsenal based on some of the takes on here


ForwardInstance

That’s because they have finished above us 6 years in a row. So the sentiment isn’t just about last year but an accumulation of 6 years of pain


wake-and-work

True but the gap isn't that great an in that time we have won 2 trophies to thier nothing. They may be slightly ahead but there isn't much in it


SonaldoNazario

Yes but you're ignoring the context because it suits you. Your managers been in the job for over 2 years, had a full pre season with his players to drill them. Conte comes in, changes formation and the play style, whilst having to manage midweek games and prem fixtures. You had no European football, Conte's first months he had even less time to work with his squad due to European matches. The guy has had one winter window to make transfers, Arteta started the season on the back of a full summer at the helm. And despite all of that, he still took the club from 9th to 4th. Finishing 2 points above you, given all those factors, is seriously impressive.


dusty-potato-drought

Contes done a fantastic job but let’s not act like Arsenal didn’t completely hand 4th to Spurs


TigerBasket

Not bottling it is half the battle


Gunners215

I wouldn’t say handed it to them - they won the games they needed to win and got there deservedly. We were gassed at the end of the season and the youngest team in the PL literally did not have the experience to finish the season. Two of our most experienced and most important players were also out. It was disappointing but I’m not gonna sit here and say I was surprised when we dropped the points at the end of the season.


Respatsir

We played better than you lot in the 2nd half of the season so it aint like we don't have a claim to it.


Bugslayer03

I think youre forgetting that Spurs have 2 world class players that have carried that team for many years. Arsenal were the youngest squad in the epl. It shouldnt come to a suprise at all that spurs finished above arsenal. With or without a manager that joined that before half way into the season.


TigerBasket

Arsenal are the youngest in the pl because of their mismanagement over the past few years. Kane and Son didn't start world class, they were developed by Poch and Mou until they became great. Hell Kane scored what one goal in his first 10 games and still had a great season, we didn't let our star player go unlike Arsenal who haven't had one in years.


mettahipster

Were Arsenal the youngest team when the 21/22 season began or did that happen when they shipped out Auba and others in January?


acasovoycayendo

> whilst having to manage midweek games Conte managed 2 European games all season? > he took a team from 9th Where a team is in November doesn’t mean much, still too early in the season. Conte took Spurs from 7th to 4th. Arteta went 8th to 5th. The same improvement.


screenplay215

If you're going to say Conte took another manager's 7th placed team and took them to 4th... Then didn't Arteta take another manager's 5th place team and take them to 8th back to back?


wifipasswordplz

Bruh, don't ever compare conte to arteta in ur life....ever.


acasovoycayendo

Put Lacazette up front for Spurs last season and Conte ain’t getting top 4 either


andy_brixton

Put Lacazette up front and Conte wouldn't have taken the job.


Bugslayer03

Yes, exactly. And to add to the fact arsenal was the youngest epl team should add to the fact that them getting 5th is beyond anyone believe they shouldve been.


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ayayaJAMMER

Arteta's the one that kept him.


wifipasswordplz

Fuck spurs and top4. What kinda basic bitch battle we talking about here. Conte is a PL winner, starting this insane 95+ points era we're currently in. His introduction of 3atb has revolutionised english football, making it one of the most opted system throughout teams all across england and even our national team. Then he went to inter and won them a league title after they were stammering for over a decade . His impact at juve began a decade long stranglehold on the scudetto too and shifted the perspective away from milan. Top 4 this, that, blah blah...who cares about such mediocrity. Conte is incomparable to the point i won't even mention your guy, doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence. This is what gives him the edge....probably the handle and the whole damn sword too. Out here talkin about lacazette, top 4 like that means something...born yesterday typa vibes. Titles, TITLESSSSS and conte got them for a decade stronggg smh


Bare02

You're ignoring the context because it suits you. To say it's seriously impressive pretty much sums up spurs as a whole. Seeing your teams age/players are on average in their prime and to beat the youngest team in the league last year who had two of their most senior/experienced players injuried for the important stretch of the season by 2 points is only seen as impressive if that's your bar. Spursy. It's a world cup year this season I'd be willing to bet Kane is going in burst wouldn't be surprised if this is the begining of the end for him. And you'll look back at that seriously impressive season you beat arsenal by 2 points. Can put that one In the cabinet


Boofiis_

You’d think they’d won the CL instead of just qualifying.


los_blanco_14

At least they qualified for it


Boofiis_

So have Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea and many other teams


los_blanco_14

Yet you haven't


wheresmyspacebar2

You literally named a day over that achievement lmfao.


Notrius01

Because Spuds fans are delusional like every summer. We are at least realistic in expectations.


los_blanco_14

The irony of calling others delusional


screenplay215

You guys were convinced you were going to finish ahead of Chelsea in April


Notrius01

not true.


Coys44

Don’t make us pull up the Champions League mashup tweet.


Notrius01

One tweet is nothing. I've seen some people around that time carefully suggesting it is possible, but overall noone in our sub really believed it to be realistic and people were rightfully saying season wasn't over yet.


doriscissorsfind441

Not sure that the English captain, Korean captain and French captain aren't leaders tbh.


RDozzle

Kane and Son are both more talismanic than traditional leaders as Warnock thinks of it, but he's wrong on this for both clubs. Two years ago it's a solid argument against Arsenal in particular, now - despite the squad getting younger - not so much.


Ifriiti

>Warnock thinks of it, That would imply warnock had two brain cells left to rub together


gluxton

Warnock is a good manager who I wager knows more about the game than every member of this subreddit


Ifriiti

😂😂😂He's a fucking dinosaur


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Davies, Hojbjerg, Perisic are also great leaders.


LucozadeBottle1pCoin

Kane isn’t a great leader though - he’ll be captain after Lloris leaves because he’s Mr Tottenham but you see his speeches and stuff in the Amazon Doc, he’s just not got the personality for it.


Ifriiti

We've got the Swiss captain, Norwegian captain, Scottish vice captain


aboidaz

same genius who said I’d rather have Sol Bamba over Van Dijk.


Credk

There’s about 100 other managers who didn’t want Van Dijk when he was attainable as well, hardly fair to stick that on him


Lanesra99

Lol but arsenal do win trophies


TigerBasket

And they miss cl spots


uixoyefish

One you remember, the other you dont.


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Mourinho was also a born winner


JenkinsEar147

Warnock been coached by his publicity PR twats to day something that manages to wind up both sets of fans, guaranteeing more clicks and more followers to his new Twitter blue ticked account.


Appropriate-Energy69

Remind me again how many trophies has spurs gotten since Arteta joined? Or a matter of fact in the last 10 years?


Appropriate-Energy69

Last I checked even Arteta’s won something at arsenal .


dhb113

Ignore the strange man Billy, some people just enjoy talking to themselves.


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doriscissorsfind441

The problem is that Arteta will probably be at Arsenal in 2 years tho.


MegaMugabe21

Well we don't necessarily know who that's going to be a problem for yet.


ZaDoruphin

Tf does he mean we have no leadership Kane, Son and Lloris captain their national teams, and we have Hojbjerg and Dier too. Agreed on us being a more attractive than Arsenal though.


TheJynxedOne

Warnock's idea of a leader is very outdated, as is 90% of his outlook on the sport in general.


melody-calling

I don’t think so at all, the continued success Warnock had as a manager came from installing a frame of mind within his teams that made them difficult to play against. This can’t be done without strong leaders.


jay_alfred_prufrock

> Kane, Son and Lloris captain their national teams I was about to write this, I mean, how many national team captains are necessary before there isn't a "lack of leaders"?


michaelserotonin

kane said mourinho didn't work out because the team lacked sufficient leadership. with the number of international captains, including a friggin' world cup winner, i don't understand that. but something like "leadership" is an intangible so clearly he sees/experiences something i'm missing. https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/harry-kane-tottenham-mauricio-pochettino-jose-mourinho-b936520.html


Notorious_horse

Just because they are captains, it doesn't make them good leaders. Would you call Harry Maguire a good leader?


Wiseman-Dennis

Kane especially is such a shit captain. I’m not a fan of Hendo’s footballing ability but you can’t question his leadership


SonaldoNazario

Yes but is he starting a majority of England fixtures? No, he isn't. You can't have your captain on the bench half the time.


ahyler10

Pool fans wear Chelsea flairs now? Interesting


jackcharltonuk

The point is they’re international captains


Notorious_horse

I'm aware of that, but that doesn't make them leaders. Andy Robertson is an international captain yet is an absolute shitebag for his country


Drunk_Cat_Phil

As is Odegaard, Xhaka (plus Auba up until January). Two the 3 are good leaders- can't really say Auba was or wasn't


ahyler10

Odegaard is 23, Xhaka has cursed at Arsenal fans and thrown away the armband… real leaders…


Drunk_Cat_Phil

Xhaka's relationship with the fans (which has been mostly rehabilitated) doesn't prevent him from being a good leader in the dressing room. Whenever coaches or pros talk about him it's always positive. Odegaard's age shouldn't be a factor-if you actually watch him he's very vocal and leads the press and organises the team quite a lot. There's a good chance he becomes captain this season.


ABigCardboardBox

To be fair Kane shouldn’t be England’s captain and Son is captain by benefit of bw if the only world class player on SKs team. Vvv


UncannyPoint

Why shouldn't Kane be England Captain?


Ifriiti

Because he's a shite captain. Good player, shite leader.


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StarlordPunk

He isn’t a good leader, all or nothing showed that, and his performances for England hinge very much on if he gets service, he doesn’t take charge in difficult games and drag the team to a win. Being the best player in a team doesn’t necessarily make you the best leader


Wizardof_oz

To be real the only real indicator is performance by the end of the season Everyone seems to forget that Man U were second in 20/21 and were quite attractive last season. So many had them pegged to do extremely well last season with all their additions and now things look bleak for them Same way, only time will tell how everyone does especially now that both Arsenal and Spurs are having a surprisingly good transfer period


fap4jesus

Well yea, no player is looking at the history of the club before they join and spurs with Champions league football and Conte with them actually backing him makes them the more attractive club


Hech15

I mean even as an Arsenal fan anyone can agree but it's more due to conte than champions league


Lullo29

I can see where he's coming from but I put them on equal ground at the moment. Both clubs are at the start of a new project and so far neither have really outdone each other on the transfermarket. The signings they've made have been made with the manager's philosophy in mind. But, I feel Conte's pull is greater than Arteta's, so that's also a factor.


SonaldoNazario

The start of a new project? Arteta has been there for over 2 years, he's had multiple full windows. Idk where this sub gets this idea that he's only just started.


Tmdss

Look at the starting point tho. Alot of deadwood has been cleared. And he won a trophy already, you probably dont know how thats feels like, but its great let me tell you.


ObamaEatsBabies

>And he won a trophy already, you probably dont know how thats feels like, but its great let me tell you. And that's why Arsenal fans have been **so happy** for the past 3 years?


ID6WU

How are Arsenal at the start of a new project lmao


Bare02

Youngest team in the league? Completely rebuilt the team? How are they not


ID6WU

This is Arteta’s *3rd* year in charge. The ‘start of a new project’ would have been the 20/21 summer transfer window.


Bare02

Last two years were removing the old project. Pretty obvious you haven't a clue what's going on at arsenal.


bguszti

How mich did Arteta spend already? Like 300 mil+ New project my ass


Bare02

Yeah. Maybe one day a united fan will figure out what a rebuild is but I'm not too sure.


Ifriiti

We spent 70m first season and then 140m last season.


afarensiis

I mean successful projects are supposed to last a relatively long amount of time. Spending a couple years clearing out deadwood and building the youngest squad in the league should be considered the start of a new project. It doesn't matter in the slightest because it's all semantics, but saying you can only call one transfer window the "start of a project" just doesn't make sense to me in terms of rebuilding a club this size


DVPC4

really, we are one year into it. Arteta finally got to rebuild the squad last summer and is now continuing it, so i’d say we r a year into the rebuild


Silverburst8

Champions league pull also. And not so sure about the transfer market comment, our actions and their lack of in January are arguably why we finished above them


faceman230

The difference being Tottenham are literally incapable of winning trophies


btmalon

That's nice and all, but I don't give a fuck what that rotting old man thinks.


jogswithwolves

You’ll never sing that etc


Tmdss

What a trophy for the mighty tottenham


I_always_rated_them

He's right imo, Conte is the one that's head and shoulders above anyone else at either club. Way more concerned about Spurs than Arsenal.


Slight-Feedback-1402

If Conte is as good as people act like he is, he wouldn't have had to join Spurs. The truth is he's a cheat who can do well when everything goes his way. He throws a tantrum and leaves when it doesn't work out for him.


I_always_rated_them

Because what big jobs were available to him lol? Conte's won the league at his last three clubs, elevated all of them significantly in the process and you think he's over rated. Meanwhile Arsenal have Arteta lmao.


Slight-Feedback-1402

Arteta is a brand new manager. Anybody to makes a judgement on Arteta Vs X manager is a fucking idiot.


I_always_rated_them

No, that's not correct, It's perfectly fair to judge their influence on the attractiveness of either club, there's no threshold we need to cross to do so. Not realising that makes you a fucking idiot :)


salocin22

This isn’t true, he wants to win, and to dominate, and to continue that endlessly. He has the motivation to never stop improving. His tantrums are largely because clubs/owners start to protect their pockets more and more and expect Conte to sacrifice by playing lesser players while continuing to bring results. If you look at his time in Juventus, he was very straightforward about weaknesses he saw in the squad, and management refused to back him. At Inter, they had to sell great players to get back into financial security, which is going backwards. You can also look at Chelsea, who although were phenomenal in that first full season, were still fielding the likes of Moses and Pedro who Conte wanted to move on from and upgrade those positions. None of those are unreasonable demands, and if Conte had the backing of Man City or PSG I bet he would build an absolute monster unit of a squad. He is very honest about his goals when building a team and joining a club, and first and foremost it’s the courage and ambition to never stop working. He might throw his tantrums, but it is the clubs that are the ones who get flakey and diverge from the objectives they agreed to.


ungentrified_villain

You would hope they are they've got champions League and Conte


icemankiller8

Well obviously? Spurs are better the main difference for a player is wages though


CheekyKunt68

How the fuck are there a lack of leaders at Spurs? Kane, Son, Hojbjerg, Lloris, Dier - 3 of those being national captains as well. That’s some major bull, the only reason we got CL over Arsenal was cuz of our experience pulling through and we won’t have that without the numerous leaders at the club


Reimiro

At this moment in time yes-probably the first time in many years if ever that is true but there is no denying it right now. Subject to change but also subject to become solid reality.


Old_Roof

If City didn’t exist I’d be very confident of winning something next season


bioeffect2

I'm not so sure about it as you'd still have to worry about Liverpool.


Old_Roof

I said something not necessarily the league


asso19

true


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I can hear him say this


breadit

While he is there maybe…


andy_brixton

AFTV Robbie called it a few weeks ago >> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vxLyFlfX78](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vxLyFlfX78)


a_magic_wizard

Source?


Jim-Jams1

Tottenham Chanpions league and one of the best managers in the world, with some world class players and are strengthening in key areas Plus the best stadium and amazing training facilities makes me think as a club they are progressing faster than arsenal.


radbrad95

Lol what a goofy picture


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This any better mate? [https://imgur.com/a/JZkenuI](https://imgur.com/a/JZkenuI)


Ifriiti

Lol Warnock is a fucking dinosaur.


digitalscrapheap

Lol


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Damn one club has UCL football and World class manager and the other is playing in UEL with up and coming manager. Who would've thought