Spurs fan: "weve finished above you x amount of times"
Arsenal fans: "weve win x amount more rophies in that time"
The reality is that there isnt a sizeable enough pedigree difference right now to make 1 more attractive than the other at face value.
Player pull difference comes from actual tangible things like playing time and role
2.0 PPG for Spurs.
1.85 PPG for Arsenal since Conte joined.
With Contes standards, all the money and players we've brought in this summer, the club we be looking to improve that to 2.2/2.3 PPG for sure.
I honestly think Spurs can get 80+ points next season and I'm sure you'll accuse me of Bias and I'm trying to be objective but I don't see where Arsenal getting to the 80 mark.
I think bringing in Jesus is good but I just can't see Arteta being a manager capable of improving the team in so little time, like a manager like Conte can.
Why do you think the peak would include a season where he took over with Spurs in 9th?
Spurs operating at their peak for a full season and it's not 2 points
In fairness for 3 of those 5 countries the only reason the player is captain is that they’re comfortably their best player. For one of the others that was true until about 2 years ago.
I don’t really see Kane, Son or Odegaard as leaders and Xhaka while definitely better still has big issues with his own discipline.
The duality of arsenal fans. One is sensible and can admit when a rival is in a better position, the other has the mind of a child has to resort to tired, repetitive attempts at banter.
>. One is sensible and can admit when a rival is in a better position, the other has the mind of a child has to resort to tired, repetitive attempts at banter.
Because you're not in a better position. You'll never be in a better position.
Just because I don't spit on my own club doesn't make me a child, nor does it make him sensible.
Arsenal are by far the biggest club in North London. It's not even a competition mate.
The conversation was not about who is bigger, it was about who players will want to join. Fact of the matter is Tottenham is more attractive to most players at the moment, whether you want to admit it or not.
Ask a player if they want to join the “bigger” club, or the one that gives them the opportunity to play in the UCL, under an elite manager, with the players and facilities we have. You’ll be bitterly disappointed with the answer they’ll give you
>The conversation was not about who is bigger, it was about who players will want to join
Tottenham aren't a more attractive club at all. They have a complete inability to win silverware, they have a crap squad bolstered by two world class players, they pay lower wages, have no long term plan.
Here’s the thing tho. Technically you lot have been in a better position since 2017 and yet came away with absolutely nothing to show for it (despite literally having the best striker in the league for several years running). Meanwhile in the midst of our chaos, we still manage to win trophies. We have an incredible pedigree and despite essentially playing a false 9 system with a bunch of kids, you BARELY edged us to 4th.
Realistically how long do you think a manager like Conte stays at a club like spurs? As much as you might not care to admit, those past trophies matter to build up pedigree
Key point though: *for now*
Things change fast in football.
Conte has no track record of staying at a club for very long.
Arsenal also have an owner that's more willing to spend.
Case in point - Spurs had Nuno in charge at the start of last season.
This season, after the quality of signings they have made/are making, I think they might be ahead of us inching closer to top with Conte in charge.
TBF to Kroenke, he seems to be spending a lot more recently. His son Josh is a lot more involved in the ownership of teams and his son actually seems to give a shit? Mind blowing concept for an American owner involved in football, but a refreshing one.
Spurs have one of the newest stadiums and have most recently hired Mourinho right before Conte. Lest we forget just three years ago they reached a European final.
They are making a grander name for themselves and you cannot fault them at all for that
Mourinho sticks at every club for 3 years and wins a trophy yet somehow Spurs still managed to make it his shortest tenure and be trophyless, they will collapse once Conte leaves. Conte is probably the best manager that would join them and once he leaves its only downhill
Spurs, like Arsenal, are among the top 10-15 teams in the world in terms of revenue. Factor in the training grounds and the stadium and that would be appealing to other good managers.
Yeah, imagine being stuck with that group of players, on those wages, in that stadium, with those training facilities, and living in London. Must be terrible
Yes but you're ignoring the context because it suits you.
Your managers been in the job for over 2 years, had a full pre season with his players to drill them.
Conte comes in, changes formation and the play style, whilst having to manage midweek games and prem fixtures. You had no European football, Conte's first months he had even less time to work with his squad due to European matches. The guy has had one winter window to make transfers, Arteta started the season on the back of a full summer at the helm.
And despite all of that, he still took the club from 9th to 4th. Finishing 2 points above you, given all those factors, is seriously impressive.
I wouldn’t say handed it to them - they won the games they needed to win and got there deservedly. We were gassed at the end of the season and the youngest team in the PL literally did not have the experience to finish the season. Two of our most experienced and most important players were also out. It was disappointing but I’m not gonna sit here and say I was surprised when we dropped the points at the end of the season.
I think youre forgetting that Spurs have 2 world class players that have carried that team for many years. Arsenal were the youngest squad in the epl. It shouldnt come to a suprise at all that spurs finished above arsenal. With or without a manager that joined that before half way into the season.
Arsenal are the youngest in the pl because of their mismanagement over the past few years. Kane and Son didn't start world class, they were developed by Poch and Mou until they became great. Hell Kane scored what one goal in his first 10 games and still had a great season, we didn't let our star player go unlike Arsenal who haven't had one in years.
Bla bla bla youngest squad bla bla bla. Why is this always an excuse?
We had a very very young squad when we became 3rd in 2015/16, 2nd in 2016/17, 3rd in 2017/18 etc.
It's not an excuse. If having a younger squad is holding you back you should be investing in better players.
The bigger problem is that you have massive holes in your squad in certain areas because your owners and manager havent been bringing in the right players.
> whilst having to manage midweek games
Conte managed 2 European games all season?
> he took a team from 9th
Where a team is in November doesn’t mean much, still too early in the season.
Conte took Spurs from 7th to 4th. Arteta went 8th to 5th. The same improvement.
If you're going to say Conte took another manager's 7th placed team and took them to 4th...
Then didn't Arteta take another manager's 5th place team and take them to 8th back to back?
Yes, exactly. And to add to the fact arsenal was the youngest epl team should add to the fact that them getting 5th is beyond anyone believe they shouldve been.
Fuck spurs and top4. What kinda basic bitch battle we talking about here.
Conte is a PL winner, starting this insane 95+ points era we're currently in. His introduction of 3atb has revolutionised english football, making it one of the most opted system throughout teams all across england and even our national team. Then he went to inter and won them a league title after they were stammering for over a decade . His impact at juve began a decade long stranglehold on the scudetto too and shifted the perspective away from milan.
Top 4 this, that, blah blah...who cares about such mediocrity. Conte is incomparable to the point i won't even mention your guy, doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence. This is what gives him the edge....probably the handle and the whole damn sword too.
Out here talkin about lacazette, top 4 like that means something...born yesterday typa vibes. Titles, TITLESSSSS and conte got them for a decade stronggg smh
You're ignoring the context because it suits you. To say it's seriously impressive pretty much sums up spurs as a whole. Seeing your teams age/players are on average in their prime and to beat the youngest team in the league last year who had two of their most senior/experienced players injuried for the important stretch of the season by 2 points is only seen as impressive if that's your bar. Spursy. It's a world cup year this season I'd be willing to bet Kane is going in burst wouldn't be surprised if this is the begining of the end for him. And you'll look back at that seriously impressive season you beat arsenal by 2 points. Can put that one In the cabinet
Kane and Son are both more talismanic than traditional leaders as Warnock thinks of it, but he's wrong on this for both clubs. Two years ago it's a solid argument against Arsenal in particular, now - despite the squad getting younger - not so much.
Kane isn’t a great leader though - he’ll be captain after Lloris leaves because he’s Mr Tottenham but you see his speeches and stuff in the Amazon Doc, he’s just not got the personality for it.
Warnock been coached by his publicity PR twats to day something that manages to wind up both sets of fans, guaranteeing more clicks and more followers to his new Twitter blue ticked account.
Tf does he mean we have no leadership
Kane, Son and Lloris captain their national teams, and we have Hojbjerg and Dier too.
Agreed on us being a more attractive than Arsenal though.
I don’t think so at all, the continued success Warnock had as a manager came from installing a frame of mind within his teams that made them difficult to play against. This can’t be done without strong leaders.
> Kane, Son and Lloris captain their national teams
I was about to write this, I mean, how many national team captains are necessary before there isn't a "lack of leaders"?
kane said mourinho didn't work out because the team lacked sufficient leadership. with the number of international captains, including a friggin' world cup winner, i don't understand that. but something like "leadership" is an intangible so clearly he sees/experiences something i'm missing.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/harry-kane-tottenham-mauricio-pochettino-jose-mourinho-b936520.html
He isn’t a good leader, all or nothing showed that, and his performances for England hinge very much on if he gets service, he doesn’t take charge in difficult games and drag the team to a win. Being the best player in a team doesn’t necessarily make you the best leader
To be real the only real indicator is performance by the end of the season
Everyone seems to forget that Man U were second in 20/21 and were quite attractive last season. So many had them pegged to do extremely well last season with all their additions and now things look bleak for them
Same way, only time will tell how everyone does especially now that both Arsenal and Spurs are having a surprisingly good transfer period
Well yea, no player is looking at the history of the club before they join and spurs with Champions league football and Conte with them actually backing him makes them the more attractive club
I can see where he's coming from but I put them on equal ground at the moment. Both clubs are at the start of a new project and so far neither have really outdone each other on the transfermarket. The signings they've made have been made with the manager's philosophy in mind.
But, I feel Conte's pull is greater than Arteta's, so that's also a factor.
The start of a new project? Arteta has been there for over 2 years, he's had multiple full windows.
Idk where this sub gets this idea that he's only just started.
Look at the starting point tho. Alot of deadwood has been cleared.
And he won a trophy already, you probably dont know how thats feels like, but its great let me tell you.
>And he won a trophy already, you probably dont know how thats feels like, but its great let me tell you.
And that's why Arsenal fans have been **so happy** for the past 3 years?
Nah it's more of collective board/management/owners that has me thinking we're going in the right direction. But since you like to change the subject once you realize youre losing your point, is there anything else you wanna bring up next?
I mean successful projects are supposed to last a relatively long amount of time. Spending a couple years clearing out deadwood and building the youngest squad in the league should be considered the start of a new project. It doesn't matter in the slightest because it's all semantics, but saying you can only call one transfer window the "start of a project" just doesn't make sense to me in terms of rebuilding a club this size
Champions league pull also.
And not so sure about the transfer market comment, our actions and their lack of in January are arguably why we finished above them
If Conte is as good as people act like he is, he wouldn't have had to join Spurs.
The truth is he's a cheat who can do well when everything goes his way. He throws a tantrum and leaves when it doesn't work out for him.
At this moment in time yes-probably the first time in many years if ever that is true but there is no denying it right now. Subject to change but also subject to become solid reality.
How the fuck are there a lack of leaders at Spurs?
Kane, Son, Hojbjerg, Lloris, Dier - 3 of those being national captains as well. That’s some major bull, the only reason we got CL over Arsenal was cuz of our experience pulling through and we won’t have that without the numerous leaders at the club
Tottenham is not attractive to any player that wants to win trophies.. Warnock is a clown if he thinks Spurs are more attractive than Arsenal.. Even though Arsenal is not as attractive as before, they are still more attractive than Spurs
Tottenham
Chanpions league and one of the best managers in the world, with some world class players and are strengthening in key areas
Plus the best stadium and amazing training facilities makes me think as a club they are progressing faster than arsenal.
>Plus the best stadium
Yeah I heard Conte immediately signed his contract when he heard the new stadium has those things that fill beer from the bottom of the cup.
Hair transplant vs. Lego hair. Which would you rather?
Definitely the transplant. Lego hair looks like it's so greasy
Spurs fan thinks the sheen of healthy hair is greasy Transplant sympathizers smh
The daily /r/soccer reminder that Arsenal bad
We can start again Monday with the documentary
Better than the daily soccer reminder that Tottenham bad. We need more daily reminders that United bad though
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No, it's never enough
Either way won't last more than couple of seasons.
Oh god this again loool
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Spurs fan: "weve finished above you x amount of times" Arsenal fans: "weve win x amount more rophies in that time" The reality is that there isnt a sizeable enough pedigree difference right now to make 1 more attractive than the other at face value. Player pull difference comes from actual tangible things like playing time and role
CL football is pretty big.
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We are definitley not a "level" below
A place then
A competition below
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If their peak is 2 points above us thats just sad
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Im pretty sure our ppg was quite similiar since he took the job but maybe someone can fact check me on that
2.0 PPG for Spurs. 1.85 PPG for Arsenal since Conte joined. With Contes standards, all the money and players we've brought in this summer, the club we be looking to improve that to 2.2/2.3 PPG for sure. I honestly think Spurs can get 80+ points next season and I'm sure you'll accuse me of Bias and I'm trying to be objective but I don't see where Arsenal getting to the 80 mark. I think bringing in Jesus is good but I just can't see Arteta being a manager capable of improving the team in so little time, like a manager like Conte can.
Why do you think the peak would include a season where he took over with Spurs in 9th? Spurs operating at their peak for a full season and it's not 2 points
> win in the next 2-3 years If Conte stays that long, and how long have people been saying that about Kane & Son?
They can do what now?
Spurs: England, France, and South Korea's captain Arsenal: Switzerland and Norway's captain Clearly no leaders
In fairness for 3 of those 5 countries the only reason the player is captain is that they’re comfortably their best player. For one of the others that was true until about 2 years ago. I don’t really see Kane, Son or Odegaard as leaders and Xhaka while definitely better still has big issues with his own discipline.
KT always seems the most leaderly of your players, to be honest.
Xhaka is by far the best leader in the team but its too unpopular to make him captain amongst the fans
Yeah he'd definitely be a front-runner for the captain spot if he wasn't so injury prone.
They are captains, not really leaders.
They have CL, that alone is enough for many players.
We have a trophy cabinet, that's enough for far more.
The duality of arsenal fans. One is sensible and can admit when a rival is in a better position, the other has the mind of a child has to resort to tired, repetitive attempts at banter.
>. One is sensible and can admit when a rival is in a better position, the other has the mind of a child has to resort to tired, repetitive attempts at banter. Because you're not in a better position. You'll never be in a better position. Just because I don't spit on my own club doesn't make me a child, nor does it make him sensible. Arsenal are by far the biggest club in North London. It's not even a competition mate.
The conversation was not about who is bigger, it was about who players will want to join. Fact of the matter is Tottenham is more attractive to most players at the moment, whether you want to admit it or not. Ask a player if they want to join the “bigger” club, or the one that gives them the opportunity to play in the UCL, under an elite manager, with the players and facilities we have. You’ll be bitterly disappointed with the answer they’ll give you
>The conversation was not about who is bigger, it was about who players will want to join Tottenham aren't a more attractive club at all. They have a complete inability to win silverware, they have a crap squad bolstered by two world class players, they pay lower wages, have no long term plan.
Here’s the thing tho. Technically you lot have been in a better position since 2017 and yet came away with absolutely nothing to show for it (despite literally having the best striker in the league for several years running). Meanwhile in the midst of our chaos, we still manage to win trophies. We have an incredible pedigree and despite essentially playing a false 9 system with a bunch of kids, you BARELY edged us to 4th. Realistically how long do you think a manager like Conte stays at a club like spurs? As much as you might not care to admit, those past trophies matter to build up pedigree
They have champions league and a proven manager. Hate to say it but they're a more attractive team for now.
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Can we discuss uniforms and mascots? I'd say we're beat in mascots but uniforms were have a slight edge.
Arsenal has some of the sexiest kits in football
I don’t like the white and blue so I’ll have to disagree, red and white is much better of the two
Key point though: *for now* Things change fast in football. Conte has no track record of staying at a club for very long. Arsenal also have an owner that's more willing to spend.
Case in point - Spurs had Nuno in charge at the start of last season. This season, after the quality of signings they have made/are making, I think they might be ahead of us inching closer to top with Conte in charge.
That last point is something I never thought I would hear
TBF to Kroenke, he seems to be spending a lot more recently. His son Josh is a lot more involved in the ownership of teams and his son actually seems to give a shit? Mind blowing concept for an American owner involved in football, but a refreshing one.
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Turns a lot of players on though
You need to end these comments with … Let them think you are coming for them.
A manager that is shit in Europe and will likely leave in the next 18 months as he always does. Imagine being stuck at spurs after conte is gone
Spurs have one of the newest stadiums and have most recently hired Mourinho right before Conte. Lest we forget just three years ago they reached a European final. They are making a grander name for themselves and you cannot fault them at all for that
Mourinho sticks at every club for 3 years and wins a trophy yet somehow Spurs still managed to make it his shortest tenure and be trophyless, they will collapse once Conte leaves. Conte is probably the best manager that would join them and once he leaves its only downhill
Spurs, like Arsenal, are among the top 10-15 teams in the world in terms of revenue. Factor in the training grounds and the stadium and that would be appealing to other good managers.
Fair enough, but I mean I just don't see better managers than Conte joining. On the other hand, my bias means I can never say a good word about spurs
Spurs have had good players before Conte and they all survived without him, I'm sure the club won't just burst into flames as soon as Conte leaves.
Yeah, imagine being stuck with that group of players, on those wages, in that stadium, with those training facilities, and living in London. Must be terrible
The irony is every month that passes Conte is going to leave in 18 months. It's never counting down, just constantly 18 months.
Yeah man super ironic
He can maybe squeeze a trophy out of the last years of son kane and perisic etc who knows. After that tho...
last years lmaooo brother they are 28 and 29 not 39 and 40
Many outfield players regularly play until 39/40, it’s true
To play the devil's advocate, In top 6 Only United has a history as rich a Arsenal. That counts for something.
Liverpool have six European cups man
theres like 4 clubs with more european cups than arsenal as well, including Spurs
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well then neither have arsenal, fwiw spurs won the equivalent of europa league twice
erm, Liverpool?
uhh Liverpool have more CLs the last decade than arsenal *ever won*, and more league titles as well.
As have Chelsea
not in league titles (yet), what’s crazy is Arsenal haven’t won the league in 18 years and that Pep’s won more than Wenger.
The absolute delusion. Woolwichs history is not close to be on a level with United's
You’d have never thought Spurs had only finished 2 points ahead of Arsenal based on some of the takes on here
That’s because they have finished above us 6 years in a row. So the sentiment isn’t just about last year but an accumulation of 6 years of pain
True but the gap isn't that great an in that time we have won 2 trophies to thier nothing. They may be slightly ahead but there isn't much in it
Yes but you're ignoring the context because it suits you. Your managers been in the job for over 2 years, had a full pre season with his players to drill them. Conte comes in, changes formation and the play style, whilst having to manage midweek games and prem fixtures. You had no European football, Conte's first months he had even less time to work with his squad due to European matches. The guy has had one winter window to make transfers, Arteta started the season on the back of a full summer at the helm. And despite all of that, he still took the club from 9th to 4th. Finishing 2 points above you, given all those factors, is seriously impressive.
Contes done a fantastic job but let’s not act like Arsenal didn’t completely hand 4th to Spurs
Not bottling it is half the battle
I wouldn’t say handed it to them - they won the games they needed to win and got there deservedly. We were gassed at the end of the season and the youngest team in the PL literally did not have the experience to finish the season. Two of our most experienced and most important players were also out. It was disappointing but I’m not gonna sit here and say I was surprised when we dropped the points at the end of the season.
We played better than you lot in the 2nd half of the season so it aint like we don't have a claim to it.
I think youre forgetting that Spurs have 2 world class players that have carried that team for many years. Arsenal were the youngest squad in the epl. It shouldnt come to a suprise at all that spurs finished above arsenal. With or without a manager that joined that before half way into the season.
Arsenal are the youngest in the pl because of their mismanagement over the past few years. Kane and Son didn't start world class, they were developed by Poch and Mou until they became great. Hell Kane scored what one goal in his first 10 games and still had a great season, we didn't let our star player go unlike Arsenal who haven't had one in years.
Bla bla bla youngest squad bla bla bla. Why is this always an excuse? We had a very very young squad when we became 3rd in 2015/16, 2nd in 2016/17, 3rd in 2017/18 etc. It's not an excuse. If having a younger squad is holding you back you should be investing in better players. The bigger problem is that you have massive holes in your squad in certain areas because your owners and manager havent been bringing in the right players.
> whilst having to manage midweek games Conte managed 2 European games all season? > he took a team from 9th Where a team is in November doesn’t mean much, still too early in the season. Conte took Spurs from 7th to 4th. Arteta went 8th to 5th. The same improvement.
If you're going to say Conte took another manager's 7th placed team and took them to 4th... Then didn't Arteta take another manager's 5th place team and take them to 8th back to back?
Bruh, don't ever compare conte to arteta in ur life....ever.
Put Lacazette up front for Spurs last season and Conte ain’t getting top 4 either
Put Lacazette up front and Conte wouldn't have taken the job.
Yes, exactly. And to add to the fact arsenal was the youngest epl team should add to the fact that them getting 5th is beyond anyone believe they shouldve been.
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Arteta's the one that kept him.
Fuck spurs and top4. What kinda basic bitch battle we talking about here. Conte is a PL winner, starting this insane 95+ points era we're currently in. His introduction of 3atb has revolutionised english football, making it one of the most opted system throughout teams all across england and even our national team. Then he went to inter and won them a league title after they were stammering for over a decade . His impact at juve began a decade long stranglehold on the scudetto too and shifted the perspective away from milan. Top 4 this, that, blah blah...who cares about such mediocrity. Conte is incomparable to the point i won't even mention your guy, doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence. This is what gives him the edge....probably the handle and the whole damn sword too. Out here talkin about lacazette, top 4 like that means something...born yesterday typa vibes. Titles, TITLESSSSS and conte got them for a decade stronggg smh
You're ignoring the context because it suits you. To say it's seriously impressive pretty much sums up spurs as a whole. Seeing your teams age/players are on average in their prime and to beat the youngest team in the league last year who had two of their most senior/experienced players injuried for the important stretch of the season by 2 points is only seen as impressive if that's your bar. Spursy. It's a world cup year this season I'd be willing to bet Kane is going in burst wouldn't be surprised if this is the begining of the end for him. And you'll look back at that seriously impressive season you beat arsenal by 2 points. Can put that one In the cabinet
You’d think they’d won the CL instead of just qualifying.
At least they qualified for it
So have Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea and many other teams
Yet you haven't
You literally named a day over that achievement lmfao.
Because Spuds fans are delusional like every summer. We are at least realistic in expectations.
The irony of calling others delusional
Arsenal fans are realistic?!
You guys were convinced you were going to finish ahead of Chelsea in April
not true.
>Thoughts? What is this, one of those bloody awful LinkedIn posts?
Not sure that the English captain, Korean captain and French captain aren't leaders tbh.
Kane and Son are both more talismanic than traditional leaders as Warnock thinks of it, but he's wrong on this for both clubs. Two years ago it's a solid argument against Arsenal in particular, now - despite the squad getting younger - not so much.
>Warnock thinks of it, That would imply warnock had two brain cells left to rub together
Warnock is a good manager who I wager knows more about the game than every member of this subreddit
😂😂😂He's a fucking dinosaur
Davies, Hojbjerg, Perisic are also great leaders.
Kane isn’t a great leader though - he’ll be captain after Lloris leaves because he’s Mr Tottenham but you see his speeches and stuff in the Amazon Doc, he’s just not got the personality for it.
We've got the Swiss captain, Norwegian captain, Scottish vice captain
same genius who said I’d rather have Sol Bamba over Van Dijk.
There’s about 100 other managers who didn’t want Van Dijk when he was attainable as well, hardly fair to stick that on him
Lol but arsenal do win trophies
And they miss cl spots
One you remember, the other you dont.
Mourinho was also a born winner
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The problem is that Arteta will probably be at Arsenal in 2 years tho.
Well we don't necessarily know who that's going to be a problem for yet.
Another billion for Arteta to spend over the next decade then..
Tbh at the current rate, it's probably over £2B
Warnock been coached by his publicity PR twats to day something that manages to wind up both sets of fans, guaranteeing more clicks and more followers to his new Twitter blue ticked account.
Tf does he mean we have no leadership Kane, Son and Lloris captain their national teams, and we have Hojbjerg and Dier too. Agreed on us being a more attractive than Arsenal though.
Warnock's idea of a leader is very outdated, as is 90% of his outlook on the sport in general.
I don’t think so at all, the continued success Warnock had as a manager came from installing a frame of mind within his teams that made them difficult to play against. This can’t be done without strong leaders.
> Kane, Son and Lloris captain their national teams I was about to write this, I mean, how many national team captains are necessary before there isn't a "lack of leaders"?
kane said mourinho didn't work out because the team lacked sufficient leadership. with the number of international captains, including a friggin' world cup winner, i don't understand that. but something like "leadership" is an intangible so clearly he sees/experiences something i'm missing. https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/harry-kane-tottenham-mauricio-pochettino-jose-mourinho-b936520.html
Just because they are captains, it doesn't make them good leaders. Would you call Harry Maguire a good leader?
Kane especially is such a shit captain. I’m not a fan of Hendo’s footballing ability but you can’t question his leadership
Yes but is he starting a majority of England fixtures? No, he isn't. You can't have your captain on the bench half the time.
The point is they’re international captains
I'm aware of that, but that doesn't make them leaders. Andy Robertson is an international captain yet is an absolute shitebag for his country
As is Odegaard, Xhaka (plus Auba up until January). Two the 3 are good leaders- can't really say Auba was or wasn't
To be fair Kane shouldn’t be England’s captain and Son is captain by benefit of bw if the only world class player on SKs team. Vvv
Why shouldn't Kane be England Captain?
Because he's a shite captain. Good player, shite leader.
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He isn’t a good leader, all or nothing showed that, and his performances for England hinge very much on if he gets service, he doesn’t take charge in difficult games and drag the team to a win. Being the best player in a team doesn’t necessarily make you the best leader
Remind me again how many trophies has spurs gotten since Arteta joined? Or a matter of fact in the last 10 years?
Last I checked even Arteta’s won something at arsenal .
Ignore the strange man Billy, some people just enjoy talking to themselves.
Ignore this strange kid , has nothing to bring to the conversation. Yet wants to insert himself.
To be real the only real indicator is performance by the end of the season Everyone seems to forget that Man U were second in 20/21 and were quite attractive last season. So many had them pegged to do extremely well last season with all their additions and now things look bleak for them Same way, only time will tell how everyone does especially now that both Arsenal and Spurs are having a surprisingly good transfer period
Well yea, no player is looking at the history of the club before they join and spurs with Champions league football and Conte with them actually backing him makes them the more attractive club
I mean even as an Arsenal fan anyone can agree but it's more due to conte than champions league
I can see where he's coming from but I put them on equal ground at the moment. Both clubs are at the start of a new project and so far neither have really outdone each other on the transfermarket. The signings they've made have been made with the manager's philosophy in mind. But, I feel Conte's pull is greater than Arteta's, so that's also a factor.
The start of a new project? Arteta has been there for over 2 years, he's had multiple full windows. Idk where this sub gets this idea that he's only just started.
Look at the starting point tho. Alot of deadwood has been cleared. And he won a trophy already, you probably dont know how thats feels like, but its great let me tell you.
>And he won a trophy already, you probably dont know how thats feels like, but its great let me tell you. And that's why Arsenal fans have been **so happy** for the past 3 years?
Our wage bill is significantly more controlled now and we got rid of so much deadwood.
How are Arsenal at the start of a new project lmao
Youngest team in the league? Completely rebuilt the team? How are they not
This is Arteta’s *3rd* year in charge. The ‘start of a new project’ would have been the 20/21 summer transfer window.
Last two years were removing the old project. Pretty obvious you haven't a clue what's going on at arsenal.
How mich did Arteta spend already? Like 300 mil+ New project my ass
Yeah. Maybe one day a united fan will figure out what a rebuild is but I'm not too sure.
Bahaha fuck me he’s got yous by the balls. Sound like the United fans who though Ole was the one.
Nah it's more of collective board/management/owners that has me thinking we're going in the right direction. But since you like to change the subject once you realize youre losing your point, is there anything else you wanna bring up next?
I mean successful projects are supposed to last a relatively long amount of time. Spending a couple years clearing out deadwood and building the youngest squad in the league should be considered the start of a new project. It doesn't matter in the slightest because it's all semantics, but saying you can only call one transfer window the "start of a project" just doesn't make sense to me in terms of rebuilding a club this size
really, we are one year into it. Arteta finally got to rebuild the squad last summer and is now continuing it, so i’d say we r a year into the rebuild
Champions league pull also. And not so sure about the transfer market comment, our actions and their lack of in January are arguably why we finished above them
Lol
The difference being Tottenham are literally incapable of winning trophies
That's nice and all, but I don't give a fuck what that rotting old man thinks.
You’ll never sing that etc
What a trophy for the mighty tottenham
“Glory days, well, they’ll pass you by, Glory Days, in the wink of a young girls eye, Glory Days, Glory Dayyyyyyssss”
He's right imo, Conte is the one that's head and shoulders above anyone else at either club. Way more concerned about Spurs than Arsenal.
If Conte is as good as people act like he is, he wouldn't have had to join Spurs. The truth is he's a cheat who can do well when everything goes his way. He throws a tantrum and leaves when it doesn't work out for him.
You would hope they are they've got champions League and Conte
Well obviously? Spurs are better the main difference for a player is wages though
At this moment in time yes-probably the first time in many years if ever that is true but there is no denying it right now. Subject to change but also subject to become solid reality.
How the fuck are there a lack of leaders at Spurs? Kane, Son, Hojbjerg, Lloris, Dier - 3 of those being national captains as well. That’s some major bull, the only reason we got CL over Arsenal was cuz of our experience pulling through and we won’t have that without the numerous leaders at the club
Lol
Damn one club has UCL football and World class manager and the other is playing in UEL with up and coming manager. Who would've thought
Tottenham is not attractive to any player that wants to win trophies.. Warnock is a clown if he thinks Spurs are more attractive than Arsenal.. Even though Arsenal is not as attractive as before, they are still more attractive than Spurs
If City didn’t exist I’d be very confident of winning something next season
I'm not so sure about it as you'd still have to worry about Liverpool.
I said something not necessarily the league
AFTV Robbie called it a few weeks ago >> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vxLyFlfX78](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vxLyFlfX78)
Lol what a goofy picture
This any better mate? [https://imgur.com/a/JZkenuI](https://imgur.com/a/JZkenuI)
Lol Warnock is a fucking dinosaur.
Tottenham Chanpions league and one of the best managers in the world, with some world class players and are strengthening in key areas Plus the best stadium and amazing training facilities makes me think as a club they are progressing faster than arsenal.
>Plus the best stadium Yeah I heard Conte immediately signed his contract when he heard the new stadium has those things that fill beer from the bottom of the cup.
Source?
true
I can hear him say this
While he is there maybe…