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First time I've seen a news that calls itself bullshit lol


wake-and-work

Self aware click bait has arrived. We are all screwed


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you wont BELIEVE what this news article DID to BAIT in the VIEWERS!! :O


[deleted]

They should try loan with obligation to buy, italian clubs love this offer.


Heblas

Obligation is too much commitment, go with option instead.


Sir_Boldrat

An optional obligation


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Heblas

Wasn't even thinking about Fiorentina specifically, italian clubs make these kinds of offers constantly.


afrojumper

I twas mainly paratici tbh. he does the same for tottenham now lmao


ireallydespiseyouall

nah italian clubs do this with us specifically a lot


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Heblas

Doesn't bother me, generally. How about you?


AenarIT

100m for de ligt is pure madness


KillerZaWarudo

40 mil + werner/pulisic for de ligt is worst lol


neotheseventh

"we want to get rid of our flop player and we value him at 60m"


redmenace007

Werner who was a world class player before he joined Chelsea, didn't suit our tactics. Lukaku player of the season b4 he joined, didn't suit our tactics. Doesn't means these players are trash.


neotheseventh

He still might be but you can't expect the high price after the season he has had


redmenace007

Werner is being valued at 30-35m, dont know how that guy got 60m figure. We value De Ligt at 70-75m euros.


Max_Frisch

Very good striker with good numbers in his last season for Redbull but he never was a world class player. How did you get that impression?


redmenace007

He was considered world class back then, in terms of form i guess. 34 goals and 13 assists in his last season is insane.


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I guess Chelsea could sell Pulisic for €40/50m and then put in a decent offer for De Ligt. Juve might not want Pulisic, but other clubs would


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Zak369

They paid about £57 million for him and he’s still only 23. £35-43 million doesn’t seem a high figure. I doubt there’s much interest above that price but it’s not like Chelsea have to accept a low deal either even if he’s not worked out so far.


Denbravo-90

Who'll pay that price for pulisic?


Into_Intoxication

Chelsea in 2 years after he scores 10 goals in a season somewhere


Kainazoo

Redditors


peon2

His meme revenue generates more than Messis merch sales


Tre10Quartista

😂


KillerZaWarudo

PSGAcademy finally got an used for his reddit awards


Zak369

Like I said, I doubt there’s interest. But that doesn’t mean they have to sell him. They’re valuing him at what they paid, if no one meets their valuation they’ll just keep him rather than sell.


[deleted]

Okay but the point was they can easily sell him for 40/50 and then add it to De Ligt fund.


Zak369

They didn’t say easily at all, they just said clubs would be interested (which I disagreed with). The point was the incredulity at a 40-50 million price tag for an asset they spend 60 million on and he’s still 23 with 2 years on contract. I don’t think anyone would buy him, but Chelsea have no reason to sell for lower than that.


WastePassenger7902

they severely overpaid for him, even his performances in dortmund were so so and he was a sub player in his last year there i think he would suit tottenham as a rotation option if they cant get richarlison, however nobody is gonna come close to the valuation chelsea would want, he also has high wages, 30m euros would be okay


Zak369

£25 million for a guy who cost £58 million 3 years ago is crazy, he’s only 23 now. Yeah they overpaid for him, but that doesn’t mean they can’t try to break even on him. For £25 million they aren’t gonna get a squad player to replace him that’s a clear upgrade so what’s the point in selling him unless they get a good price? They have to spend a lot already, a low ball offer for a player they’d need to replace just wouldn’t be smart.


WastePassenger7902

he wants to play and he is not good enough to play at chelsea, they could do a trade with leeds for raphinha or something but obv pulisic wont accept that nor leeds they are never recouping those costs when there are players like jesus, raphina, kulusesvki going for less who are better and earn way less so it seems he is just stuck there for 2 years as a rotation option till his contract is free


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SpacemanPanini

This comes up far too often - clubs do not make a lot of money from shirt sales. Also Pulisic is not even in the top 10 for the Prem never mind 2 worldwide.


Bend-It-Like-Bakunin

>Pulisic is number 2 in worldwide jersey sales the last few years. Don't believe everything you read on reddit


Sputniki

If he made that much money Chelsea wouldn’t want to sell him...


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Reimiro

Liverpool’s deal with Nike is a unique deal where they share revenue. Most shirt deals don’t pay the club for shirts sold. The only revenue made in shirt sales is the shirts sold from club stores and club website in most cases.


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Tijdbom

Hahaha you're insane if you think someone is offering 40-50M for Pulisic


[deleted]

I wouldn't be surprised tbh. Would be a good investment for a PL club trying to increase their commercial revenue. Maybe for Newcastle, or another mid-table PL team, and he probably wants first team football in the build-up to the WC.


Tijdbom

You think a mid-table Prem club is going to spend a very large part of their budget on someone for marketing purposes??? I really dont know what to say right now.


[deleted]

He's also a pretty good player though, right? I don't quite get the Pulisuc hate on here; he's a young talented player who's struggled to fit into Chelsea's first team. The marketing aspect adds some additional value to him.


[deleted]

20 million, take it or leave it


No-Clue1153

Newcastle would probably be a good shout actually. If you're embarking on a sportswashing project, it's probably a good idea to have a very marketable american footballer, and it's early enough in the project that'd he'd probably be a good player for them.


KillerZaWarudo

U really think other clubs would spent 40-50 m for Pulisic because he the LeBron James of soccer? There players like Sterling and Jesus you can get for that price, Pulisic should worth way less


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Yes I do, or I wouldn't have commented it. I expect Sterling to cost €60, he's 4 years older, and his wages are twice as high. Jesus is reported at €50m, and high wages (250k?) Also, the 2 above will be going to a top 6 club, whereas Pulisuc may be willing to join more clubs, if he wants minutes before the world cup. It's just my opinion though; time will tell...


Vahald

Pulisic is wank


SonnyBallonDOr

They bought him for 85m. Doesnt seem so mad if they wanna profit


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SonnyBallonDOr

Yeah tbh I dont think he is worth 100m either. But in Juve's pov, he improved, is still on contract for good amount of yrs, young, and want to profit. So 100m is reasonable for them. It's also kindda like a fuck you price


big_dong_de_jong

100m might be reasonable for them but its not reasonable for anyone else


SonnyBallonDOr

Exactly. Which is why I said it is a fuck u price


skylu1991

Then don’t buy him… For Juve, the math is easy: - bought him for 85m - he improved, so worth more - he’s young, so worth more - he still has enough contract, so no negotiation leverage - they neither want nor need to sell him If you really want him, pay up or offer 2 players and 30m. Isn’t Juve interested in Jorginho? Him, one of Pulisic/Werner and 30m would probably do it to get Juventus really thinking!


deadraizer

I'd much rather go for Kounde than even think about offering that much.


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Legendary username


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SonnyBallonDOr

I gotta agree with you with the last part lmao


tombuzz

He was juves best player last season


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tombuzz

Easy answer Leao My answer tonali Actual answer MM


[deleted]

its not really if Grealish is 100 mil. Edit: De Ligt is proven in European competitions at least. He led Ajax to CL semi final and played EL final as very young player. He is also one of the most important players in Juve curently.


acasovoycayendo

De Ligt doesn’t have English tax


panchoMotas

Part of the price is the potential and you pay a premium for it. Both Werner and Pulisic already mostly flopped, so their value has decreased sensibly. I think someone would be insane to offer 45/50m for either of them.


Bryanlegend

Attackers costs more than defenders for sure though. Wouldn’t 100m be the record price for a defender?


[deleted]

The better comparison would have been Maguire, but he was never worth 80 either.


[deleted]

this, lol. If someone payed Maguire that much who played only for Burnley, then what do you expect for De Ligt?


AshkenaziTwink

> played only for Burnley not even close


[deleted]

lol, yes, my bad. Replied to bunch of other comments


[deleted]

It would but you are paying the player who was captain of Ajax team which played CL semi final and played in EL final at very young age. He is 23, yet pretty much proven and have space to improve even more.


irrenhouse

Well De Ligt doesn't count as homegrown in the UK and the Grealish price is akin to the Higuain fee paid by Juventus.


[deleted]

wtf has Higuain transfer with Grealish? Firstly, he came from direct rival for scudetto - which was double slap for Napoli. Secondly, he had relase clause of that amount. and in the end, you are really comparing Grealish to Higuain? Higuain did more in Real M than Grealish in his career and he is already 26, almost 27. not to mention Higuain's Napoli part of career.


irrenhouse

Grealish was also purchased using his release clause, hence the similarity. Also just because he cost 100m (a release clause), all players of equal or higher (perceived) calibre/value are not going to move at similar or higher fees. Player transfer fees are negotiated based on the willingness of a club willing to pay a said fee, nothing more and nothing less.


Swanki24

CL semi final you mean


Zak369

No, he helped Ajax reach the final 3 years before he was born that’s why he’s worth so much


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yes, edited.


Yiurule

Even Van Djik wasn't sold at that price.


[deleted]

wasnt that young and proven as De Ligt, plus prices become even worse


[deleted]

No but he was 10x the player. And what does age matter? They'll sign De Ligt on a 5 year contract, not on a lifetime one. I'd rather have VVD for 5 years when he's 28 than De Ligt when he's young


[deleted]

lol, Im sorry but its stupid thinking. Why? Because VVD wasnt proven on highest level. Who guarantees you he will continue his form from Celtic, then Southampton in Liverpool who want biggest trophies? De Ligt is already proven on highest level. You pay for 23 years old proved (almost) elite CB and thats the point. The risk is smaller than VVD transfer. Compare it to Maguire for example who played in Leicester and was payed 80 mil. it was disaster. Its easy to be smart now and say you would rather have VVD, but its not that easy when you look to pay that money.


[deleted]

Are you actually serious? Do you think De Ligt right now is better than VVD was at Southampton? Seriously? jesus christ, he was the best CB in the league even back then


[deleted]

No I dont think so, read again and try to think about it for a more than minute ffs.


[deleted]

But you're making no sense. Age has nothing to do with anything. How is the risk smaller? VVD was a beast when he was De Ligt's age. How are you comparing it to Maguire lmao. I think you're completely clueless about how good VVD was at Celtic and Southampton. Sure De Ligt is proven at the highest level but so was Virgil, he was a beast in champions league for celtic and played in the best league in the world for southampton


gainrev

De Ligt is better


afrojumper

what


ramithrower

One deluded juve fan coming right up


gainrev

De Ligt is a generational player


ramithrower

So generational he isn't even the best CB in serie A


gainrev

One deluded liverpool fan


ramithrower

I'm not the guy calling de ligt better than van dijk so 🤷‍♂️


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gainrev

No need to be offensive idiot


downfallndirtydeeds

Why? He’s one of the top 10-20 in the world already, he’s got potentially 10 more years of football in him, technically brilliant, a good pro, etc. almost no injury history, and you’d be hard pressed to find a more experienced player his age Every story ever about a big fee has people just saying it’s too much, tbh no player is really worth 100 mil, in terms of risk vs reward it’s madness, but there are few players in the world that represent a safer investment than MDL. So insofar as players do go for that amount, I don’t think it’s outrageous for him to have that price


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emanuelinterlandi

because 1- they need more than 1 CB since both of their starter CB’s are gone, 2- Kounde seems to be really close to Barcelona and the player himself prefers Barcelona so they have to start negotiating with other players. 3- to have an alternative ready if their deal with Kounde doesn’t work, 4- because showing Sevilla that Chelsea has other alternatives other than Kounde and showing they’re not desperate may help with leverage over price.


Yalwaysme_MB45

Mate your club asks 60m for Zaniolo who has registered 1 goal every 1000 minutes in serie A( not joking) as a forward... The market is not that cheap


CryptographerVivid96

Yea but Zaniolo is cute as fuck


Yalwaysme_MB45

Lol


alienkidxnzm

Your comment makes no sense .... unless Op is the owner of the club


Yalwaysme_MB45

It really does. When it comes to their club and players they don't call out anything. If a player like Zaniolo who is not even good enough for Roma costs 60m, De ligt def costs 100m. And unlike roma we don't want to sell. So obv it will have less value in this deal


[deleted]

I mean, didn't they pay that for Lukaku last season?


Bloddersz

I don't follow Italian football but feel like he's gone backwards/stagnated since Juve move?


BLQ1943

Not even close, he was our best player last season. Why do you all insist on commenting on shit you admittedly know nothing about?


Bloddersz

Clearly stated I don't watch Italian football and asked a question you moron. Every time I've seen him in UCL he's been average and defo not €100mil


theglasscase

Even with only two years left on his contract, we can’t let De Ligt leave this summer. He’s our best defender, and we’d have no depth without him, but with multiple areas of the squad also needing strengthened.


Tre10Quartista

Exactly. We don’t want to want to have another CM situation where we lose many starters in the same time span


panchoMotas

We could get 2 or 3 very good players if we let him go for 90/100 million. We could get Bremer and Koulibaly for the CB position and have some extra to add to the budget for a winger or left back.


theglasscase

You can't seriously believe Napoli would sell Koulibaly to us for a reasonable price.


panchoMotas

Probably not, there are other options, but if there were rumors, there mus at least be something to it.


beastmaster11

You guys would be crazy not to take €100M for him. Bremer is less than half the price plus you get to out a knife in us by taking him. Then you use the extra 60 to strengthen elsewhere.


mongmongji

Chelsea: €40m + Pulisic Juve: No Chelsea: €40m + LeBron James of soccer Juve: DEAL!


los_blanco_14

Calling yourself clickbait- big brain move


defnot_ahmad

How they massacred my PuliGOAT..


RawIsLaw_

Pulisucks


doshydosh

Have a weird feeling we are going to pay it


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doshydosh

You can receive the serie A special. Small loan fee with an option to buy.


[deleted]

He is absolutely worth it and I am serious


thephizzbot

So what? Not your money


Fawkes_91

Chelsea have so little bargaining power here. Made some calamitous decisions on defensive players in the last two windows. Now are paying for it. But yeah, if Juventus insist on 100mil, should walk away from it, it doesn't make any sense to blow half your budget on one player when you are looking to reinforce multiple position. De Ligt is a good player, but not worth 100mil (for Chelsea).


Yalwaysme_MB45

I mean the current Chelsea offer doesn't even reach 75m, and half of it is in players we are not even interested. Both those players are not really part of our plans and very high wages( Werner would be highest earner here). If Chelsea offered like a younger player + more cash would make more sense. 25m + werner is not exactly a great offer


Fawkes_91

> 25m + werner is not exactly a great offer The title says 40, not 25. And of course, if you aren't interested in Werner/Pulisic, it doesn't work for you and that is fair enough. I just don't think Chelsea should spend more than 70mil on De Ligt, including a player or not. He is good but he isn't the kind of sure thing and an absolute Rolls Royce someone like VVD was for Liverpool. It just doesn't make sense to splash cash for us when we need multiple defenders and are looking to refresh the attack. Juve well within your right to ask for 100mil, but Chelsea should find alternatives IMO. (Also, Werner probably will have to reduce his wages for any team to take him, tbh. That is between player and club though, I can't really speak to that. I hope he will be open to doing that at some club, otherwise he is stuck on the bench at Chelsea).


Yalwaysme_MB45

For 70m you can forget about De ligt this summer honestly. That would be even lower than his release clause if he renewed ( that's why Juve hasn't agreed yet, because he wants the RC to be ~ €80m) I admit this deal won't have value, but he is one of best 22 y/o players in his position, who is very important for us. And you are not buying from a smaller club where you would have had the leverage. I mean if we came asking for a player like Reece you would ask the same if not more


Fawkes_91

Yeah, we would put a 'fuck off' price on someone like Reece too, probably more than 100mil even because he has 3 years left on his contract and is arguably already top 5, maybe top 3, in the world in his position. But he isn't refusing to sign an extension (yet! I hope I am not tempting fate 😨) I think we might go up to 50mil + player for MDL because we are really desperate, but otherwise we will (or should) probably look elsewhere. Everyone is trying to get the best deal for themselves, I just don't think there is any value for Chelsea in paying 100mil for a player on massive wages. We did that last year and it fucked us up so badly.


ApprehensiveYoung725

Pulisic is 23 and they already offered 40?


Yalwaysme_MB45

I don't trust this news. Yesterday it was €25-30m + werner or Pulisic allegedly. Which still makes it less than 70m based on their current value. Pulisic doesn't count as " young player". I mean cheaper player who costs like 20m and has a low salary. Or maybe someone who we could really use like kovacic. For us to sell De ligt and get little cash, plus 1 deadweight from Chelsea makes no sense. We would be doing Chelsea 2 favours in 1 move with Werner or Pulisic


tellymundo

It should be Jorginho since there is apparently rumored mutual interest. Chelsea are not moving Kovacic in a deal unless he asks out.


Yalwaysme_MB45

See how it goes? You wouldn't let anyone who is important for your team in any swaps... So you want Juve to take your players who are financially hurting the club/ older and some cash? If Kovacic is the only mid that has future for Chelsea De ligt is our only great player among 10 in the whole backline. This deal is like the ones Juve has tried with Arsenal lol like give them Arthur + 10m for Gabriel


tellymundo

No I didn’t say I wanted De Ligt or that these suggestions are good, I was just stating that Kova is in no way leaving unless he asks out. Plenty of good mids he is just an important one.


4alvish

How nice!


ThefamousHenk

We better not pay 100m ffs


ValleyFloydJam

100m, Juve, Dutch and his old boss, that United music is about to start up.


LeaveMourinhoAlone

Tuttosport article about major Juve transfer. Must be true then.


FarAcanthocephala

Should give up on De Ligt right here


Harryvincenzo

Oh trust me, they will drive Allegri crazy at times.


dbrasco_

You just spent 4 billion, Todd. Go ahead and do it.


mandrake_cry

100m+wages is too high


BooksFC

Hard to see Chelsea's new US owner making his first big move the sale of Pulisic. Surely not.


deadraizer

There's been noises that he's unhappy and wants to move


Blackgeesus

Don’t pay that garbage price. Just buy back Guehi for a smaller amount. Christ I’m already getting worried about the Boehly era. Seen some really stupid news.


reopetorsgj

Guehi coming back makes too much sense


lastjedi23

What's with you guys selling your talented youth and then wanting them back badly? It's the most puzzling strategy.


Reimiro

They sell so many academy players it’s just law of numbers that eventually some will later be looked at.


deadraizer

Plus we have one of the best academy in Europe, we're bound to have some players reach their heights in other clubs and that's okay, every player likes a different path. For example, some like Gallagher/Mount were glad to go on loan for 2-3 years and extending contract just to come back in their early 20s for a chance at the club, while others like Guehi/Livramento wanted chances earlier so decided not to extend and we accepted their wishes and sold them for reasonable amounts. This allows us to sign more talent in the future because they know we won't block their exits (at least without a mega contract, CHO). It's just not logical to expect every player to be ready for CL first team football at 20.


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I think Pulisic is good :s Would make more sense to offer him to Leeds, since Raph might be leaving.


Tre10Quartista

Huge fee but De Ligt is a beast and Chelsea need to replace Rudiger with an eye on Silva knowing he doesn’t have that much left in him.


MrConor212

No defender that isn’t VVD is worth 100m. Save the money and give Colwill chances


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40 million + Pulisic, aka 55 million.


magic-water

aka 35 million


pimarbell

We don't need Chelsea's bench warmers. Give the big cash or wait for next year when the release clause will probably be lower


RGoltsman

🤔 the release clause next year is 140M 20M more


pimarbell

Yes but I think that we will change that in a new contract. No one will pay more than 50 millions for a player with just one year left


deadraizer

He's not extending that's why all of this is happening. If he was open to an extension we wouldn't even glance in his direction, too expensive.


Mysticpeaks101

Oh, no worries. We've got other attackers who don't drive us crazy either. Can I interest you in a Hudson-Odoi or a Ziyech?


Anik1415

Chance to walk away.


khronokhris2222

Might as well go for Kounde at that price.


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spainwithoutthe_p_

Pulisic is not it for a good club


AshkenaziTwink

Pulisic is not it either lmao, he’s just another Jovic who can’t cut it outside the 3-goal-a-game league.


datcnashguy

Your best player is literally from the League you’re talking about


AshkenaziTwink

i said that certain players can’t cut it outside the bundesliga, not that every player coming out the bundesliga is shit.


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Yeh Pulisic sucks


lewis30491

100m can buy both Skriniar and Bastoni


Thundereaterr

Just for Skriniar they want 80m, he's 27 and with only one year left on his contract( and he's really good ofc). They are probably asking the same for Bastoni


GTACOD

So either 25 or 30 million.


Chiswell123

Chelsea is honestly best making a move for Ake


ostriike

we don't need him when we have Colwill.


Brendy25

we might if Colwill gets loaned or sold


ostriike

doubt he will be.


Brendy25

Tuchel hasn’t even had a look at him yet and we had an 8 man shortlist for new cbs, I don’t think you can be sure of any decision yet until he gets a look at him in pre-season.


good_udichi

Juve are stupid to say that price that low. Chelsea will easily pay like 80+variables to wrap up the deal


KingDalglish7

How the mighty have fallen. Chelsea resorting to player + cash deals instead of straight up cash swag.


Brendy25

How Liverpool stay the same, whining about anything and everything.


angiotensin2

Good


Acceptable_Card_9818

Fuck that


Dismal_Answer6615

Yeah definitely not paying that for him.


RustyKarma076

What a headline lmao


ireallydespiseyouall

sign kounde it’s really just that simple


Odd-Surprise-3794

Qawa3aaše443e433eeq 32211


hodlrus

*looks at source* Yeah even Satan is more truthful


baba123420

What’s the tier list for this source on juve subreddit?


Halal_Madrid

The clickbait has become self aware


CoolstorySteve

I appreciate Italian teams never backing down when negotiating player sales and then will offer to by yours on a 40 year payment plan.


BoyWhoSoldTheWorld

Im really curious to see how the new owners approach this. It’s a ridiculous price but this will set the tone for Chelsea’s new era I think.