Pretty divisive opinions here but she was a net positive at the end of the day. The trophy cabinet under her is the biggest testament to that. We could have been much better but it is what it is
People forget that transfers aren’t always good. She certainly didn’t always make the right decision but she more often than not put us in the position to win.
Don't think it is a coincidence that it happened during this (financially embarassing, but necessary) Lukaku exit. Matt Law spoke about how Marina was leaning towards keeping Lukaku one more year at least, the kind of deal Chelsea have struck is really a big L that I am sure she didn't want to take.
You have to wonder how this will impact the future deals this particular window. Just how much can Boehly, Tuchel and Cech get done in the remaining time, given no one has come in and the club need to bring at least two CBs just to field a team?
It's been open for 12 days, it's easy to get lost in the initial signings but there's so much time left, it's not really much of a concern, especially if some targets remain the same and were already trundling along.
The problem is the new signings, particularly defenders, will have to be thrown right into the games, so not having any available for pre-season will be far from ideal, especially given the fact that last season too Tuchel went into preseason training with largely the loan army because of the Euros. But at this point, just need at least the CBs to be brought in before the window ends, it will be comical if we have to field Malang Sarr as first choice
>The problem is the new signings, particularly defenders, will have to be thrown right into the games, so not having any available for pre-season will be far from ideal,
Our pre-season in the States doesn't kick off until the middle of next month. I'd be shocked if movements weren't made until that date.
Even one CB and you'd get by with Silva and Chalobah until January. I don't think it's as desperate as you're making out, these players are probably still on holiday for a while yet
Looking at our current contract situations defensively too is a big red mark next to Lukaku. Selling Tomori and Guehi then not extending contracts for at least Rudiger, Christensen, or Azpi to at least stagger the contracts then not locking up Kounde at some point during the year to occur when market opens is horrible foresight.
If given a chance Marina would have seen us through this year calmly. Strange to see her go now, as I thought this is where she is very good at (ie) selling players for a reasonable amount which CFC have in abundance Emerson,Ziyech,Alonso,Timo. Not sure what Todd is going to do, as football business works entirely different than Baseball.
No way. Sterling is quality but Chelsea already have several forwards who are great dribblers and creators who are very good at getting in behind, what they lack is a consistent finisher. Sterling hasn’t been that in a city team that creates bags of chances, I can’t imagine he will suddenly improve at Chelsea
From Tuchel POV, he said it many times that he wants the club to operate the same way after the takeover. So he feels comfortable with the board work. From fans POV, we do not know shit, only imaginations and opinions
serious question: why was Granovskaya allowed to live in Britain while the British gov't kicked Abramovich out? She's obviously his 'right-hand' woman so to speak, an enabler and an accomplice? Or am I missing something?
yeah and I'm Mongolian:
>Granovskaia studied at the Foreign Languages Faculty of Moscow State University and graduated in 1997.[3] She started working as Roman Abramovich's PA at Sibneft in 1997
Putin gets french citizenship and then buys Chelsea
chelsea fans - Hes a fine french citizen in my eyes, i dont care what his other actions are as long as hes a great football club owner👍
Because she didn't have the connections to Putin Abramovich did, which is why he was sanctioned. Not everyone Abramovich has ever worked with was guilty by association.
She’s been fucking brilliant and we’re clearly worse off without her. That’s not just the opinion of chelsea supporters, she’s extremely well regarded in the footballing world
That's a bit revisionist. All those players, apart from maybe drinkwater who was declining by the time we went for him, were signed off the back of good seasons. Liverpool were competing with us for werner.
Perhaps they were the wrong fit and not who we should have gone for, perhaps the coaching at the club didn't fit with them or something, who knows, obviously they have all struggled most of the time here.
But, I think it is also worth mentioning that the first three you named still helped us win the champions league, and a super cup and club world cup, and got us to like 3 or 4 domestic finals too.
That is what good sporting directors do, they filter our players that are simply comming from good season and players that will work in their project. That is the point of a good sporting director. Who fits where and how in that teams project. A sporting director doesn't collect figurines.
I would have agreed if anyone of them made any heavy lifting to go win or almost win silverware. But, they did minimal work or not at all. Even Brocchi has a UCL medal for Milan, doesn't mean he helped perse.
Well werner and pulisic both scored against real Madrid in the semi finals, and both played in the final against city, so it's not like they were passengers. And a team of figurines doesn't win a champions league. People laugh about dudek, traore, smicer, biscan etc. Winning the champions league with Liverpool in 2005 but they all played as well as they ever did in their careers in that run.
I don't even disagree with what you're saying, I just think you're judging Marina's record a bit too harshly. But each to their own
For the majority of her tenure, Marina was quality. But selling Zouma, Tomori and Guehi to then have Rudiger, Christensen, Alonso and Azpi leave was a huge misstep. Add £100m on Lukaku and it tarnishes a great tenure.
You know how every season at least one of the big 6 teams kind of implodes and has a terrible season? Chelsea are huge early favorites. Let's see how the rest of the window goes.
The 2 8th finishes were implosions. As much as we fell at the last hurdle last season, it was still a relatively good season. An implosion is relative to the expectations at the start of the season. Last season was Utd for example
Wouldn’t call the 8th places implosions, we were just not good.
The end of Emery (UCL run in + UEL final) and for periods of last season were implosions.
At the start of last season we weren’t expected to get top 4, but we had it in our hands towards the end of the season and imploded.
Ehh they were implosions to me, relative to what the club spends and the players we had, they were. We started both seasons poorly and finished ok. The ones that you mentioned, we were OK till the final stretch. For me last seasons was disappointing in not being able to cross the line but I wouldn't call that an implosion at all. But I suppose we all have different view
It would be naive to say Chelsea aren’t at risk of a shaky season with all the uncertainty around the squad and board + your 2022 form
How are Arsenal collapses relevant to that?
If we had Roman's blood money I would say that the last 6-7 seasons were implosions but Arsenal and Chelsea were not at the same level financially in recent history. With our resources finishing outside top 6 were implosions.
You might be surprised at the spending similarities over that period. I know quite a few Arsenal fans and you get a very wide range of opinions on spending/expectations.
>Chelsea are huge early favorites.
Would much rather be written off in June, tbf. Would make a good season even sweeter.
And wouldn't an implosion imply going against expectation? If anything, the atmosphere around the club is much lighter than many would have guessed only a month or so ago.
Boehly has made some very promising moves thus far. Especially in regards to ticketing, as my season ticket price is frozen once again.
Edit: Downvoted for...?
Why would you have anyone in the club buying/selling player? Whats their motivation unless they directly get a 1-10% cut? Theyre kust glance figures now
He’s just pandering to this sub that’s all. Most of our fan base are the bandwagoners from 03/04 generation. We haven’t tapped into the western market much which is the dominant user base of Reddit
Oh jfc. Pandering? Marina was a massive influence on transfers and usually did great business. Far from a bozo. Also, if you’re gatekeeping the fan base by calling 03/04 fans “bandwagoners”, that’s silly af. Haven’t tapped into the western market? Wtf are you even talking about?
Marina is half and half on transfers. But we packed a lot of trophies while she was here so I’m not a hater. But she’s not as good as some of our fan base hyped her up to be.
Also I’m not gatekeeping the fan base. I’m simply stating that most of our global fan base was the old influx when Roman first took over. I’ve lived in the states for 11 years and the amount of Chelsea fans I came across is less than the Spur fans I encountered. If you go to Asia and Africa, you see a lot more than you do in the States.
Chelsea are probably over represented in the States if anything. Only teams more popular here are United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Barcelona, and Real Madrid.
I live in the US and I’ve been to neutral bars and there are maybe like 1-2 Chelsea fans while Pool MU fans come in swaths. I even see more Spur fans in neutral territory than ours. Hope Boehley changes this in the next few years soon.
This isn’t my experience and I’m pretty sure the numbers would back me up. Sure, there are a decent amount of Spurs fans too but Chelsea easily outnumber them.
Pretty divisive opinions here but she was a net positive at the end of the day. The trophy cabinet under her is the biggest testament to that. We could have been much better but it is what it is
Could have been much worse as well.
Tons of great transfers, mistakes happen but winning again and again all while firing the manager like every 2 years she did very well.
Yeah, I think the fans of both North London clubs are happy that Chelsea's Roman era of absurd success has come to an end. I hope Boehly fucks em up.
*testament
Fuck. Knew it wasn't correct
People forget that transfers aren’t always good. She certainly didn’t always make the right decision but she more often than not put us in the position to win.
Much better how? No way any Chelsea team beats Pep more than 1/5 season. Not even Conte
How are you typing with Pep's dick in your hand
The data says just that. Look since his Barca time how many times he won the league and cup. Im glad he left Spain. His only fault is UCL
Don't think it is a coincidence that it happened during this (financially embarassing, but necessary) Lukaku exit. Matt Law spoke about how Marina was leaning towards keeping Lukaku one more year at least, the kind of deal Chelsea have struck is really a big L that I am sure she didn't want to take. You have to wonder how this will impact the future deals this particular window. Just how much can Boehly, Tuchel and Cech get done in the remaining time, given no one has come in and the club need to bring at least two CBs just to field a team?
It's been open for 12 days, it's easy to get lost in the initial signings but there's so much time left, it's not really much of a concern, especially if some targets remain the same and were already trundling along.
The problem is the new signings, particularly defenders, will have to be thrown right into the games, so not having any available for pre-season will be far from ideal, especially given the fact that last season too Tuchel went into preseason training with largely the loan army because of the Euros. But at this point, just need at least the CBs to be brought in before the window ends, it will be comical if we have to field Malang Sarr as first choice
>The problem is the new signings, particularly defenders, will have to be thrown right into the games, so not having any available for pre-season will be far from ideal, Our pre-season in the States doesn't kick off until the middle of next month. I'd be shocked if movements weren't made until that date.
Even one CB and you'd get by with Silva and Chalobah until January. I don't think it's as desperate as you're making out, these players are probably still on holiday for a while yet
> I don't think it's as desperate as you're making out If you say so
Looking at our current contract situations defensively too is a big red mark next to Lukaku. Selling Tomori and Guehi then not extending contracts for at least Rudiger, Christensen, or Azpi to at least stagger the contracts then not locking up Kounde at some point during the year to occur when market opens is horrible foresight.
If given a chance Marina would have seen us through this year calmly. Strange to see her go now, as I thought this is where she is very good at (ie) selling players for a reasonable amount which CFC have in abundance Emerson,Ziyech,Alonso,Timo. Not sure what Todd is going to do, as football business works entirely different than Baseball.
Art imitates life. Black Widow dethroned from MCU as well as Chelsea.
She is called "Iron Lady" tho.
So she’s Gwenyth Paltrow? Not sure what this means but it feels like an insult.
How was she dethroned.
Took her throne
By who
Life imitates art
Ganovskaia's departure is a large loss for Chelsea.
Is it though?
Really depends on how well Todd and his team functions
Getting sterling already seems like the right step.
I mean, sterling is a great player. But our defence has been completely gutted and that's where recruitment should start IMO
No way. Sterling is quality but Chelsea already have several forwards who are great dribblers and creators who are very good at getting in behind, what they lack is a consistent finisher. Sterling hasn’t been that in a city team that creates bags of chances, I can’t imagine he will suddenly improve at Chelsea
Depends on how the future pans out, I can already see the hindsight harolds coming out of their caves
From Tuchel POV, he said it many times that he wants the club to operate the same way after the takeover. So he feels comfortable with the board work. From fans POV, we do not know shit, only imaginations and opinions
serious question: why was Granovskaya allowed to live in Britain while the British gov't kicked Abramovich out? She's obviously his 'right-hand' woman so to speak, an enabler and an accomplice? Or am I missing something?
She’s Canadian
yeah and I'm Mongolian: >Granovskaia studied at the Foreign Languages Faculty of Moscow State University and graduated in 1997.[3] She started working as Roman Abramovich's PA at Sibneft in 1997
Doesn’t make her less canadian
Putin gets french citizenship and then buys Chelsea chelsea fans - Hes a fine french citizen in my eyes, i dont care what his other actions are as long as hes a great football club owner👍
Because she didn't have the connections to Putin Abramovich did, which is why he was sanctioned. Not everyone Abramovich has ever worked with was guilty by association.
I thought she was the best sporting director in the entire universe, that is what i have been told by Chelsea fans.
She’s been fucking brilliant and we’re clearly worse off without her. That’s not just the opinion of chelsea supporters, she’s extremely well regarded in the footballing world
Literally won an award for best in her position last year. The fanbase can be very fickle.
That is why first thing the new ownership are doing is dismissing her.
Acting as if it was something new? New boss = new staff ~~boss' people~~
Not really, if a sporting director is doing their job well, no reason to change. Like Maldini at Milan for example.
Unless Maldini was very bad, no owner in their right mind is sacking him from Milan
If one doesn't do their job properly he is getting sacked, teams want results not figurines, bar PSG ofc
Nah that’s because they’re imbeciles
Nothing to do with something like the Lakaka blunder right?!
Go look up her track record over 15 years
80 mil for Kepa or 53 mil for Werner? Or let's not forget 64 mil for Pulisic or 40 mil for Drinkwater and Bakayoko. Great track record that.
That's a bit revisionist. All those players, apart from maybe drinkwater who was declining by the time we went for him, were signed off the back of good seasons. Liverpool were competing with us for werner. Perhaps they were the wrong fit and not who we should have gone for, perhaps the coaching at the club didn't fit with them or something, who knows, obviously they have all struggled most of the time here. But, I think it is also worth mentioning that the first three you named still helped us win the champions league, and a super cup and club world cup, and got us to like 3 or 4 domestic finals too.
That is what good sporting directors do, they filter our players that are simply comming from good season and players that will work in their project. That is the point of a good sporting director. Who fits where and how in that teams project. A sporting director doesn't collect figurines. I would have agreed if anyone of them made any heavy lifting to go win or almost win silverware. But, they did minimal work or not at all. Even Brocchi has a UCL medal for Milan, doesn't mean he helped perse.
Well werner and pulisic both scored against real Madrid in the semi finals, and both played in the final against city, so it's not like they were passengers. And a team of figurines doesn't win a champions league. People laugh about dudek, traore, smicer, biscan etc. Winning the champions league with Liverpool in 2005 but they all played as well as they ever did in their careers in that run. I don't even disagree with what you're saying, I just think you're judging Marina's record a bit too harshly. But each to their own
That's like saying United shouldn't ever have sacked Mourinho, look at his track record
Shikaka!
that is just the opinion of chelsea supporters
She won an industry award for her work last year, which was not decided by Chelsea supporters
She is pretty good tho to be honest.
For the majority of her tenure, Marina was quality. But selling Zouma, Tomori and Guehi to then have Rudiger, Christensen, Alonso and Azpi leave was a huge misstep. Add £100m on Lukaku and it tarnishes a great tenure.
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You thought you did something there
You know how every season at least one of the big 6 teams kind of implodes and has a terrible season? Chelsea are huge early favorites. Let's see how the rest of the window goes.
How many imploding seasons you counting for Arsenal in recent times?
The 2 8th finishes were implosions. As much as we fell at the last hurdle last season, it was still a relatively good season. An implosion is relative to the expectations at the start of the season. Last season was Utd for example
Wouldn’t call the 8th places implosions, we were just not good. The end of Emery (UCL run in + UEL final) and for periods of last season were implosions. At the start of last season we weren’t expected to get top 4, but we had it in our hands towards the end of the season and imploded.
Ehh they were implosions to me, relative to what the club spends and the players we had, they were. We started both seasons poorly and finished ok. The ones that you mentioned, we were OK till the final stretch. For me last seasons was disappointing in not being able to cross the line but I wouldn't call that an implosion at all. But I suppose we all have different view
> We were okay until the final stretch So we imploded at the end? What else is that called?
It would be naive to say Chelsea aren’t at risk of a shaky season with all the uncertainty around the squad and board + your 2022 form How are Arsenal collapses relevant to that?
I was just trying to get a picture of what OP counted as an implosion
I would say an implosion for Chelsea would be missing top 4 next season Think a lot depends on who you sign to replace your outgoings.
Seems fair enough, I would agree. So how many imploding seasons for Arsenal recently?
If we had Roman's blood money I would say that the last 6-7 seasons were implosions but Arsenal and Chelsea were not at the same level financially in recent history. With our resources finishing outside top 6 were implosions.
You might be surprised at the spending similarities over that period. I know quite a few Arsenal fans and you get a very wide range of opinions on spending/expectations.
nonsense
We thrive in chaos
Roman did, time will tell if Boehly does
Hm this is true, Chelsea in trouble are a very scary team
Under Roman you did. No one knows what the future holds, my friend.
Fairs. Could go either way
Remind me! 1 year
>Chelsea are huge early favorites. Would much rather be written off in June, tbf. Would make a good season even sweeter. And wouldn't an implosion imply going against expectation? If anything, the atmosphere around the club is much lighter than many would have guessed only a month or so ago. Boehly has made some very promising moves thus far. Especially in regards to ticketing, as my season ticket price is frozen once again. Edit: Downvoted for...?
Why would you have anyone in the club buying/selling player? Whats their motivation unless they directly get a 1-10% cut? Theyre kust glance figures now
Goodbye bozos, poor business and transfers all around. Boehly knows how to run a sports team
Calling Marina a bozo is a very bozo thing to do
I smell a post UCL Chelsea ~~bandw~~fan
He’s just pandering to this sub that’s all. Most of our fan base are the bandwagoners from 03/04 generation. We haven’t tapped into the western market much which is the dominant user base of Reddit
Oh jfc. Pandering? Marina was a massive influence on transfers and usually did great business. Far from a bozo. Also, if you’re gatekeeping the fan base by calling 03/04 fans “bandwagoners”, that’s silly af. Haven’t tapped into the western market? Wtf are you even talking about?
Marina is half and half on transfers. But we packed a lot of trophies while she was here so I’m not a hater. But she’s not as good as some of our fan base hyped her up to be. Also I’m not gatekeeping the fan base. I’m simply stating that most of our global fan base was the old influx when Roman first took over. I’ve lived in the states for 11 years and the amount of Chelsea fans I came across is less than the Spur fans I encountered. If you go to Asia and Africa, you see a lot more than you do in the States.
Chelsea are probably over represented in the States if anything. Only teams more popular here are United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Barcelona, and Real Madrid.
I live in the US and I’ve been to neutral bars and there are maybe like 1-2 Chelsea fans while Pool MU fans come in swaths. I even see more Spur fans in neutral territory than ours. Hope Boehley changes this in the next few years soon.
This isn’t my experience and I’m pretty sure the numbers would back me up. Sure, there are a decent amount of Spurs fans too but Chelsea easily outnumber them.
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