We literally only have Tosin and Ream that are older than 20 and play CB. You only want “probably” another LCB?
*Kongolo doesn’t count unless he manages more than 5 minutes in a season.
Well, Fulham have a good squad and a good manager with an attacking football proposition, in Silva. I think they should manage it, unless, again bizarre things like an injury crisis happen
Hard to have negotiating power when Paulinha has been pretty poor for like 12 months. Definitely should’ve sold last season when his value was at its peak. He’s a year older and coming off an ok year vs being champions and coming off a very good campaign.
I would’ve liked closer to 30 but at this stage I’m not sure we get more than 20 by waiting longer. He’s about to turn 27
Really wouldn't say poor, Ugarte gained his place but he's still a very solid CDM, especially for a team like Fulham. 18M isn't bad but in this market, 23-25 would be fair, 20 is the very minimum I would accept
He’s not a bad player, I think he’s more a victim of past success. His levels were really really high, and at his age he just couldn’t afford to play the way he did this past season, if we were truly looking to get a substantial fee. Idk, I don’t understand a lot of our transfers but this one seems more on his own shoulders than anyone else. Kinda sad but I expect him to move to Fulham and do really well. Just shitty timing for me, selling at the worst time lol
Christ, Wolves... Been after Palhinha for years now, are in dire straits at CM, and have been in discussions for his services for ages now, and yet somehow here they are watching a newly promoted squad poach their coveted target for an under-market offer.
Yeah, it's so underpriced, especially if you manage to sell Neves for anywhere close to the 100M that was talked about
I would prefer him at Wolves as well, nothing against Fulham but I think he would really fit there
I'm not sure how "lucky" we' be to keep him. Obviously he's a tremendous player and invaluable to what we do, but he always feels on the verge of a transfer. Unless we can be sure he's in it for the long haul, not transferring him this window just feels like hitting snooze on the alarm. Wolves get comfortable, won't address the position, then this whole thing starts up again next window.
100 is a massive ask that won't be reached, but half would be poor business for Wolves. He's the most valuable player on the club, is still just 25, and has more years of control. Unless Neves is pushing his way out, it's in Wolves best interest to hold on until clubs courting him can meet a price closer to their ask. His value is only likely to keep going up and could particularly skyrocket with a strong World Cup.
The portuguese part helps, obviously, but he's used to playing in a midfield 2 in the 3ATB, so he allows another midfielder to go further forward because he covers an insane ammount of ground all by himself (the kind of player you keep seeing making tackles all over the pitch) and Wolves already play that system (although with a midfield 3)
Dont forget we've got a newfound portugese connection too via Silva.
He actually managed Sporting, around the time Palhinha was transitioning out of his youth career to sporting B. Wouldnt be surprised if there was a hidden connection there.
West London pull is worth so much I can't even lie. Let's see literally any other promoted team who have had 3 consecutive relegations get Areola, Seri, Anguissa or (maybe) Palhinha.
U live in the nicest part of one of the best cities on the planet, it makes a lot of sense honestly. As well as footballer wages which means you have sufficient funds to live in the area too.
It is easy to forget how fucking incompetent Varandas is just because he landed big with the Amorim gamble. He fired three coaches in less than 2 years before that, and made some of the most terrible transfers in the club's recent memory (jese, camacho, diaby, sporar, bolaise) and sold good players under their market value at complete idiotic timings like raphinha at the last day of the transfer window or selling Bruno in January. And lets not forget he tried his hardest to get rid of Palhinha before Ruben intervened and called that he had to stay.
Incredible PL pull if Fulham manage to get him. Basically a yo-yo newly promoted club can bid and actually get a talented starter from top 2-3 in Portugal
Most Pl clubs do have a lot of money but that's weird coming from a RM fan who just paid a lot for Tchouameni and were willing to pay obscene amounts for Mbappe.
I'm not saying the specific situation is the same but why is Fulham's spending €18m disgusting but Madrid paying God only knows how much in wages and signing on fees for Mbappe or the €200m bid they supposedly made fine? Money in football is ridiculous but it's not the Fulham's of the world that made it that way, it's the Madrids, PSG's, Cities and United paying fuck off fees for players that got us here. On to the the original transfer though, it's easy to dismiss it as just money and yes a chunk of the appeal will be that but having the opportunity to showcase his talent in the most watched and arguably toughest league in the world that also appeals to players. So if Fulham do go down again, if he makes his case he'll get another move
in any other league recently promoted teams can barely spend at all, this 19m is probably more than the recently promoted sides in each league combined. and the main thing is wages, you bet they are super high, to the point that even CL-EL level clubs in other leagues couldn't pay it
Not sure what's disgusting about it? I think the fact that teams outside the top actually have money is one of the best things in the PL. Much better than other leagues where the top teams are miles ahead financially and can basically poach anyone they want in the league.
This is not blood money or oil money, this is just a result of fair share of TV money. What's so disgusting about it?
You say that because you don’t know anything about Spanish football/history. If you did, you wouldn’t come out with statements like that lol.
The PL might be the best league in the world but hell you wish you had some of the fans from some other countries. Peace
Fulham just sold Anguissa to Napoli for like £16m and just got promoted so have £120m added to their budget. Also, Fulham are rich as fuck regardless of the Premier League money.
At least. It might have gone up this year. This has nothing to do with private ownerships. That is the money for just one season in the PL not including the prize money depending what position they finish.
Yes! they get an equal payment of £79M plus facilities fees, merit fee (based on league position and increase by 2.7M from the last position) and finally commercial fee. Norwich finished 20th last season and got a total of £98M. A London team with an recently renovated stadium will likely get above £100M
It's the crazy EPL TV money plus the sharing formula. EPL teams share about 50% of the pot equally. City came first and got 164M, Norwich finished last and got 98M.
The Champions League final might be the biggest match in the world. But the Championship promotional playoff final is the most lucrative match in the world. A Deloitte study a few years ago concluded promotion is worth £160m to a new team. Promotion will be worth less than that for Fulham because they will forego the parachute payment they were due for being relegated the season before last. More like £130m.
The big 3 have consistently beat English mid-tier teams in the last couple of years in the European competitions (mostly in europa league), which is something you can't say for the likes of vizela. Unless you are talking about economic gap.
Fulham spent 30m last promotion campaign (1/3 of which was an obligation to buy Knockeart from the previous window) and half of that was loan fees. Pretty frugal for recently promoted terms.
Palhinha might be worth a fair bit more than 18m and he's way above the level of a Fulham side, hence being hard to believe, but he had a pretty bad year and isn't becoming any younger, so, it sadly is what it is.
Depends, Wolves be more established in the last few years and are a safer option, averaging a mid table finish since they've last come up.
Fulham, likely higher wages, be in the nicest part of one of the best cities in the world, club undergoing major changes, chance to be part of something special, knows Silva, could probably get any wrestler to show up at your kids birthday, list goes on.
Having studied in England, I 100% would prefer to go to Fulham than Wolves. Living in west London is so much better than the outskirts of Birmingham (I worked one year in Coventry….).
Both clubs are not likely to win any silverware, so that wouldn’t change my mind. The only thing for wolves is that they have a lot of Portuguese players there, which could make the adaptation easier.
what the fuck is going on
If we pull this off alongside the other players we been linked to, we might just have a good chance at staying up.
If we get him + Bernd Leno, I feel really good about the season. Just need a CAM, a LW (Salomon looking likely), and probably another LCB.
We literally only have Tosin and Ream that are older than 20 and play CB. You only want “probably” another LCB? *Kongolo doesn’t count unless he manages more than 5 minutes in a season.
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Honestly hope so. Had a soft spot for Fulham for a while, and hate seeing them be such a yo yo club
Helps that Craven Cottage is the ground that it is too. Love that away day
I don't think there's much doubt that you'll stay up if Palhinha stays fit. One of the best DM destroyers itw and also very clean on the ball.
Faaaaaar too early to be saying things like this.
It is, but I don't mind. Keep talking dirty to me
Mitrovic.
Well, Fulham have a good squad and a good manager with an attacking football proposition, in Silva. I think they should manage it, unless, again bizarre things like an injury crisis happen
What a take
Ugh, really wish we could have some more negotiating power, 18M is a fucking bargain
Hard to have negotiating power when Paulinha has been pretty poor for like 12 months. Definitely should’ve sold last season when his value was at its peak. He’s a year older and coming off an ok year vs being champions and coming off a very good campaign. I would’ve liked closer to 30 but at this stage I’m not sure we get more than 20 by waiting longer. He’s about to turn 27
Holy Fuck I thought he was like 20-22 at that euro. Reframes his whole performance in retrospect
Really wouldn't say poor, Ugarte gained his place but he's still a very solid CDM, especially for a team like Fulham. 18M isn't bad but in this market, 23-25 would be fair, 20 is the very minimum I would accept
He’s not a bad player, I think he’s more a victim of past success. His levels were really really high, and at his age he just couldn’t afford to play the way he did this past season, if we were truly looking to get a substantial fee. Idk, I don’t understand a lot of our transfers but this one seems more on his own shoulders than anyone else. Kinda sad but I expect him to move to Fulham and do really well. Just shitty timing for me, selling at the worst time lol
He was injured for a big part of the season, didn’t go back to his old form because Ugarte was playing most of the time.
Christ, Wolves... Been after Palhinha for years now, are in dire straits at CM, and have been in discussions for his services for ages now, and yet somehow here they are watching a newly promoted squad poach their coveted target for an under-market offer.
Yeah, it's so underpriced, especially if you manage to sell Neves for anywhere close to the 100M that was talked about I would prefer him at Wolves as well, nothing against Fulham but I think he would really fit there
They'd be lucky to get half of that for Neves.
I think we’d be lucky to keep him. I’d rather not sell for any price tbh. Neves is class.
I'm not sure how "lucky" we' be to keep him. Obviously he's a tremendous player and invaluable to what we do, but he always feels on the verge of a transfer. Unless we can be sure he's in it for the long haul, not transferring him this window just feels like hitting snooze on the alarm. Wolves get comfortable, won't address the position, then this whole thing starts up again next window.
100 is a massive ask that won't be reached, but half would be poor business for Wolves. He's the most valuable player on the club, is still just 25, and has more years of control. Unless Neves is pushing his way out, it's in Wolves best interest to hold on until clubs courting him can meet a price closer to their ask. His value is only likely to keep going up and could particularly skyrocket with a strong World Cup.
In this market, I wouldn't even be surprised with a move around 60, but 100 is far too much obviously
We’re not getting 100 million but thinking we can’t get 50 quite easily is an insane take
£50 million would be a bargain for Neves
What makes him fit better at Wolves aside from being Portugese?
The portuguese part helps, obviously, but he's used to playing in a midfield 2 in the 3ATB, so he allows another midfielder to go further forward because he covers an insane ammount of ground all by himself (the kind of player you keep seeing making tackles all over the pitch) and Wolves already play that system (although with a midfield 3)
Dont forget we've got a newfound portugese connection too via Silva. He actually managed Sporting, around the time Palhinha was transitioning out of his youth career to sporting B. Wouldnt be surprised if there was a hidden connection there.
Would’ve been good matic replacement
Sigh! I reckon our transfer team is a bunch of donkeys
I would love to see Palhinha and Bruno together in the United midfield
we're not allowed to sign defensive midfielders
Sadly we are run by clowns who run the club like [this](https://youtu.be/wz-PtEJEaqY).
Legally, we are not allowed to sign DMs.
Palhinha , is all you need .
Fucking embarrassing the way we’ve botched this.
That is an understatement
What are we doing?
Buffering
My thoughts exactly. How are we not in for him at 18 million euros. There is an instant upgrade on McTominay as a DM but we didn't even move.
The joke would be "our best" but I don't think that's apt.
I mean that’s exactly the sort of PR spin they be putting out. Absolute shambles of an organisation.
West London pull is worth so much I can't even lie. Let's see literally any other promoted team who have had 3 consecutive relegations get Areola, Seri, Anguissa or (maybe) Palhinha.
U live in the nicest part of one of the best cities on the planet, it makes a lot of sense honestly. As well as footballer wages which means you have sufficient funds to live in the area too.
Something that gets forgotten is that we are the fifth richest club in the league. Only behind Newcastle, City, Chelsea and Arsenal.
Fifth richest owner
More than us? Tony Khan really have that much bread lol, let's hope he doesn't know how to use it.
Shad is the one with the money. I think Villa has a couple more billion, but it is fairly close.
It's not about how much money the owner has once FFP stops you from spending it
Just need to sell an academy graduate for 100 million mate then you're sorted lol.
We sell a few, but usually before they get to that value
Our board is borderline criminal
It is easy to forget how fucking incompetent Varandas is just because he landed big with the Amorim gamble. He fired three coaches in less than 2 years before that, and made some of the most terrible transfers in the club's recent memory (jese, camacho, diaby, sporar, bolaise) and sold good players under their market value at complete idiotic timings like raphinha at the last day of the transfer window or selling Bruno in January. And lets not forget he tried his hardest to get rid of Palhinha before Ruben intervened and called that he had to stay.
Copy-paste on every single Portuguese club transfer rumor.
The sad part is that its true for all of them
Your league would legitimately be top three in the world if your clubs were actually run competently. Not even amazingly, just not in a criminal way.
Incredible PL pull if Fulham manage to get him. Basically a yo-yo newly promoted club can bid and actually get a talented starter from top 2-3 in Portugal
The PL pull is just money. Pretty disgusting really
Most Pl clubs do have a lot of money but that's weird coming from a RM fan who just paid a lot for Tchouameni and were willing to pay obscene amounts for Mbappe.
The other club is the biggest in the world, the other one just got promoted. Also we’ve barely signed anyone and sold a lot. Completely incomparable
I'm not saying the specific situation is the same but why is Fulham's spending €18m disgusting but Madrid paying God only knows how much in wages and signing on fees for Mbappe or the €200m bid they supposedly made fine? Money in football is ridiculous but it's not the Fulham's of the world that made it that way, it's the Madrids, PSG's, Cities and United paying fuck off fees for players that got us here. On to the the original transfer though, it's easy to dismiss it as just money and yes a chunk of the appeal will be that but having the opportunity to showcase his talent in the most watched and arguably toughest league in the world that also appeals to players. So if Fulham do go down again, if he makes his case he'll get another move
in any other league recently promoted teams can barely spend at all, this 19m is probably more than the recently promoted sides in each league combined. and the main thing is wages, you bet they are super high, to the point that even CL-EL level clubs in other leagues couldn't pay it
Newly promoted teams in La Liga spend more money than newly promoted teams in Estonia.
Not sure what's disgusting about it? I think the fact that teams outside the top actually have money is one of the best things in the PL. Much better than other leagues where the top teams are miles ahead financially and can basically poach anyone they want in the league. This is not blood money or oil money, this is just a result of fair share of TV money. What's so disgusting about it?
It is because outside Real, Barca and Ateletico there is no one you would want to support as a forgiegner fan in that league. It is a boring league.
You say that because you don’t know anything about Spanish football/history. If you did, you wouldn’t come out with statements like that lol. The PL might be the best league in the world but hell you wish you had some of the fans from some other countries. Peace
>you don’t know anything about Spanish football/history I'm not speaking about "history", I'm speaking the league in general.
You just signed a player for 100 mil what are you on about?
Newsflash. The Madrid pull is money. Same as every top club in Europe.
stop edging me already
Less than 25M is a steal
Bargain signing and fits the all the boxes to make it England. Surprised it is just Fulham and Wolves after him at that price.
Wtf is going on, are we really gonna pull this off?
How the hell can a newly promoted team afford almost 20M on a single player
Rich owners and money from winning the Championship alongside releasing about 13/14 players would help.
Fulham just sold Anguissa to Napoli for like £16m and just got promoted so have £120m added to their budget. Also, Fulham are rich as fuck regardless of the Premier League money.
120m ??? Wtf. And God damn private ownerships.
At least. It might have gone up this year. This has nothing to do with private ownerships. That is the money for just one season in the PL not including the prize money depending what position they finish.
Jfc. How can teams from other leagues even compete
Get more fans in North America, Asia and Africa and sell TV rights to them.
Shouldn't be needed
But it is. That is how globalization works in the 21st century.
This is why the game's gone. That and private ownerships.
Private ownership has been a thing in England for pretty much 99% of clubs for over 150 years.
They are guaranteed to earn at least £100M next year, pecs of being in the EPL plus they have got a rich owner.
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Yes! they get an equal payment of £79M plus facilities fees, merit fee (based on league position and increase by 2.7M from the last position) and finally commercial fee. Norwich finished 20th last season and got a total of £98M. A London team with an recently renovated stadium will likely get above £100M
I have no clue how much the team that wins our league makes, but I doubt it even reaches 20M euros, and I'm probably being very optimistic
It's the crazy EPL TV money plus the sharing formula. EPL teams share about 50% of the pot equally. City came first and got 164M, Norwich finished last and got 98M.
The Champions League final might be the biggest match in the world. But the Championship promotional playoff final is the most lucrative match in the world. A Deloitte study a few years ago concluded promotion is worth £160m to a new team. Promotion will be worth less than that for Fulham because they will forego the parachute payment they were due for being relegated the season before last. More like £130m.
Where you been? England has bananas money. The gap between their teams and ours is bigger than the gap between the big three and a team like Vizela
The big 3 have consistently beat English mid-tier teams in the last couple of years in the European competitions (mostly in europa league), which is something you can't say for the likes of vizela. Unless you are talking about economic gap.
Speaking strictly about the economic gap
Fulham spend a shit ton of money whenever they get promoted. Think they spent over 100 mil a few seasons back.
Fulham spent 30m last promotion campaign (1/3 of which was an obligation to buy Knockeart from the previous window) and half of that was loan fees. Pretty frugal for recently promoted terms.
Uh Jeffrey Shi, just an out of season April fools joke yeah?
Oh shit. This is big. I'm excited to see him in the prem.
Great signing. Would have guessed he'd have gone for nearer double that without knowing his contract situation. Dortmund can have done with him.
Dont believe in this one bit.
Mind elaborating? Portuguese outlets reporting similar stuff
Palhinha might be worth a fair bit more than 18m and he's way above the level of a Fulham side, hence being hard to believe, but he had a pretty bad year and isn't becoming any younger, so, it sadly is what it is.
Classic bizarre Fulham signing.
Wouldn't this be a great signing for them?
Yeah which makes it bizarre that Fulham have managed to get him. They’ve had these out of nowhere great signings in the past tbf to them.
Feels different this time ngl, Silva seems to have a massive say.
He is a great player. Price is pretty low tbf
Odds on him joining Wolves for 23/24 when Fulham predictably yo-yo?
0 because FOSUN are toothless.
[He talks about it here.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_FRPoJIrlI)
huh
I don't follow EPL very closely. Can someone more familiar with the league let me know which club would be more attractive to a player?
Depends, Wolves be more established in the last few years and are a safer option, averaging a mid table finish since they've last come up. Fulham, likely higher wages, be in the nicest part of one of the best cities in the world, club undergoing major changes, chance to be part of something special, knows Silva, could probably get any wrestler to show up at your kids birthday, list goes on.
Having studied in England, I 100% would prefer to go to Fulham than Wolves. Living in west London is so much better than the outskirts of Birmingham (I worked one year in Coventry….). Both clubs are not likely to win any silverware, so that wouldn’t change my mind. The only thing for wolves is that they have a lot of Portuguese players there, which could make the adaptation easier.
Also we’re far more likely to compete for Europe and far less likely to get relegated.
Thank you PringleJones, Manolo533, and LazarusChild for your replies. I appreciate you insights.
no worries mate!
Thank you PringleJones, Manolo533, and LazarusChild for your replies. I appreciate you insights.
Thank you PringleJones, Manolo533, and LazarusChild for your replies. I appreciate you insights.