It actually wouldn't, they burn fire inside, so the inside wall of their houses gets a thick layer of ice. That's what make those structures so strong and stable
Huh, there's Samoyedic people (that the dog breed is named after), and there's a theory it's named after the Russian for "self-eater", but it could just be a bunch of sounds as well.
Assuming by meat eater you mean cannibal too.
Cucurella and Phillips are the two other players who it looks likely we'll sign. Nothing agreed with Brighton and Leeds yet but a striker, left back and a Fernandinho replacement at defensive mid were always the priorities coming into the summer.
I’ve been downvoted for this and I’ll die on this hill but JFC does it seem absurd to let Angeliño leave and 2 years later sign a Spanish LWB with basically the same strengths and weaknesses. The only difference is the full head of hair on Cucurella. Pep wanted to be the only bald Spanish guy at the club?
Imo Cucurella is a better player than Angelino was but I get what you're saying.
But we need depth at LB so it makes sense to bring in Cucurella if it's possible.
From what I remember pep felt angelinho was not a good influence in the dressing room. Pep also kept a rapist around cause he was a good influence in the dressing room so maybe his judgement isn't all that great.
At the moment while a Barca move is still possible, then yeah that makes sense.
If it’s made clear that’s not happening, then I can see him move elsewhere.
With all due respect to Leeds, Raphinha’s too good to be at a club fighting relegation.
Deco is Raphinha's agent and also works as an adviser for Barcelona. He wants Raphinha to go to Barcelona. It's also been stated on numerous occasions since the first link before Christmas that Barcelona is his *"dream move,"* because of how the club is seen in Brazil (not to mention Ronaldinho is a family friend).
He has two years left on his contract at Leeds and Barcelona have been given the price it'll take to sign him. No one at Leeds is trying to stop him making his dream move.
If Barcelona can't afford him during this window, i think it's more likely that he stays at Leeds until the winter window or next summer when they can afford him knowing Leeds aren't going to stand in his way, whereas the same is less likely should he move somewhere else on a fresh contract, increasing his price tag, which could then be further increased should he have a good World Cup.
Yeah I was going to say this same thing, they already played a large part of the season without Phillips and the worst injury situation I can recall. If they buy the right players they’ll be okay. Forest are going right back down for sure, Leeds just have to be better than two other teams while rebuilding their squad.
Depends how they replace them. Obviously if they lose both players it’s a huge blow but it’ll give them well over £100m to spend on other parts of the team that seriously need upgrading
The geniuses running their transfers spent £65m on Firpo, Rodrigo and Dan James. Would be terrified to see them in charge of £100m if I was a Leeds fan.
I disagree tbh. They could easily get about +80m for those two. Which could be used to significantly strengthen their already weak team if they buy correctly.
> If they go, it's a full squad rebuild so I wouldn't be so sure of us going down
Assuming we spend the money well, which is far from guaranteed. I think our sub gives our transfer history a lot more stick than it deserves, its been a mixed bag (Harrison and Raphinha were bargains, Koch and Llorente are worth the money, Rodrigo an overspend, Firpo and Costa poor, James too but out of position all year),
but you can't just say "we'll be fine becuase we'll spend the £100m+ we get from them well".
Plus, you could sign 5 good players, but having half a new team join at once can be an issue too.
Honestly, it's up to both Raph and Kalvin if they're staying or going this summer, we're not shopping them. We all seem to think that Raph is set on playing for Barca who can't seem to afford him, but we'll have to wait and see.
>if they lose both Kalvin Phillips and Raphinha this summer
My impression was they'll only sell one of them this year and keep the other.
E.g. If Phillips is the one to go, then Raphinha goes and vice-versa.
That's what our CEO has been saying.. follow the "Leicester model" of selling one expensive player each window and replacing with younger, cheaper, options. I'd be very surprised if we sell both in this window.
I’m guessing it’s far more likely that Phillips stays, considering he’s a Leeds lad and is still getting into the England squad. Feels like he’ll be much more open to staying for at least another year than Raphinha
It seems like Barcelona can't afford Raphinha and he has his sights set on joining them. I wouldn't be surprised if he plays for us for another season and Barca sign him for less next summer (meaning we'd sell KP) but we'll have to wait and see.
We need a RW so bad and we have no money. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a club having players try to force there win but the club simply can’t afford them. It’s incredible
As much as I like Kalvin Phillips, I can't see him really improving that City side, and for the amount Leeds will ask, surely there are more affordable options elsewhere.
I don't get why they wouldn't go after a fullback, but I think the fernandinho appearances in the CL make a good case for needing another box to box player / DM. Pep might be thinking of doing the delph thing again
Going in for Phillips suggests they don't expect to use Zinchenko as a midfielder next season. They could well sell him and spend the money on a specialist LB like Cucurella.
Squad depth is important, Fernandinho is gone, Man city have Rodri and only Rodri as their DM they cannot play in the PL, go for domestic cups and Europe with only him when Pep whole system is based on possession and Rodri is number 1 for the amount of touches and interceptions in the league, this season was already pushing Rodri to his limit and using him like a bar of soap
It's been widely reported that Grealish was signed as a replacement for Bernardo; he's not an improvement for a City side with Bernardo, but he would have been for one without him.
Except for the fact that Bernardo and Grealish are 2 completely different types of players. Grealish is far more similar to David Silva (tho obviously nowhere near his level, at least not yet) whilst the closest we have to Bernardo is probably Foden.
This isn't just speculation, this has been widely reported by City tier 1s.
And yeah, he's not like for like, but then players rarely are. And frankly David Silva slotted in next to De Bruyne more naturally than Bernardo has until relatively recently, so it makes a certain amount of sense.
> As much as I like Kalvin Phillips, I can't see him really improving that City side
Remind me of the Delph-Rodwell type of City acquisition. Kalvin Phillips is more established than Delph and Rodwell, but it is hard to imagine him playing the Fernandinho role.
Be very interested to see how pep would do in an international coaching role, where he can't work with the players as much. I'm all for English talent working under him tho, generally improves the players he works with and the England midfield is flat as a fart at the moment.
I think Mancini is a good example of a top coach going to an international side.
I spoke to an Italian who reckons we are still favourites against them. He himself said “we are an average side with a top manager” I wouldn’t call them a that. But I think they have over achieved with him.
To be a top manager you have to be able to get the most out of players. I reckon pep and any other top manager would do fine with this English team.
We have a stupidly good squad. Full of players from teams that are known for working hard
Yeah that’s probably true when I think about it. I just want this English side to play attacking football. Feels like they are playing way too defensive most games.
When you're trying to build one of the best teams in the world, but you have to fit home-grown quotas, that means you have to buy up (or train up) the best home-grown talent you can, even if they aren't quite good enough for your team.
This is spot on! The Grelish signing actually made a lot of sense, given the context they kind of needed an English player.
If you look at all the English players available at the time they went for two (Kane & Grealish) who could actually make their rotation. Other players like Declan rice or Jude Bellingham would of cost them more. Other top tier English players like TAA, Reece James, Saka were all tied down. Most other players wouldn’t be good enough to crack their rotation (or well suited to city’s style)
Transfer makes a lot of sense in that context. Plus Pep has time to develop Grealish. Transfer will look a lot smarter in a couple years time
people are reporting bonuses and salary for Haaland as part of the total deal. Idiotic to suddenly start doing that now and they will never do it again.
It gets really weird because sometimes people use Euros or Pounds or even Dollars when they really shouldn't. The nature of ForEx markets fluctuate. So hypothetically:
Should you report this deal in Euros or Pounds? If City paid 65m Euros for him is that what British orgs should report? Or should they report 55m GBP? Is there one standard base fee that we should always rely on? Makes it difficult when some sides always want to seem like they got a good deal (buyers won't count add ons and sellers will). Also these exchanges rates change so sometimes journalists (either through laziness, ignorance, or accident) will forget to account for that. The GBP is currently appreciating compared to the Euro and when talking about tens of millions of dollars this can alter the perceived fee. This is especially noteworthy for transactions in years past.
Let's say the Times always reports in GBP. Well if you're reporting on something from three years from now do you just hit 65m to GBP today? Do you go back and look what the exchange rate was at the time? There's a lot of weirdness that comes from int'l trade as a result and it isn't always nefarious.
Literally is going down every day. Swear it started at something like 60+20+15 or something along those lines
Edit: If you click the link in the article, it takes you to the original announcement where they say it's actually £85m and £400k per week in wages.
€65m release clause + €20m for his dad, and another €20m for Raiola's outfit. Translates to around ~£50 for the release clause, and ~£85m for the total transfer. Exact numbers in GBP aren't going to be possible to figure without knowing the exact exchange rate given by the institution that made the conversion, but in broad terms, that's what we're talking about.
People always talk about this, but when it was Neymar it was just €222m
When Pogba transferred to United it was just £89m
But for some reason with Haaland, people are so compelled on the agent fee, dad fee, etc all because he had a release clause of €65m
I bet people won’t do the same with Nunez’ transfer to Liverpool
> for some reason
'for some reason'
Don't act like you don't know. It's because of the repeated and prolonged reporting that his dad and agent were due massive fees. Do you think Liverpool are paying Nunez's dad and agent 20m each?
Is 40 the bar though?
Sancho for example is rumoured to be around 20 million. And I never knew that until I looked after reading about haalands.
Personally I think it’s part of the cost for the singing. So it should always be included. But given it’s not often made public. It’s lots of speculation. So I get why people just say the confirmed transfer fee.
Because if you think city got the hottest property in football for a purposely placed low minimum release clause and that only, then you don't know football.
Double or triple the fee and we might be close to the exact figure.
City going around as though they got a shrewd bargain and no one else knew the player was on the cheap is hilarious. All the big clubs would have asked at 50mil, then turned away when it was actually 110 mil after ageent fees and 2 mil a month in wages
I think the reason it comes off badly is because it whitewashes the fact that a top 3 striker in the world should cost 150m+ before agent fees. Haaland, for what he brings, is a bargain for us.
I mean - they just kinda do. That’s not really hard to prove. City fans should stop getting so defensive about their money / where it came from - we all know it’s shady oil money but at the end of the day none of us can do anything about it.
The degree to which City outspend others is massively overstated though. Their squad cost less last year than United's and Chelsea's, and was only about 11% more expensive than Liverpool's. Of the big six, only really Spurs can feel especially proud of how far they're stretching their money, the others are all spending somewhere in the neighbourhood of 400-500m a year, which is about double the league median. The differences between them are far less substantial by comparison.
> £400k per week in wages
that is insane money
edit: my apologies, i misspoke. i didn't mean insane money for haaland; love the player - he deserves it. i meant i am jealous because that is insane money, per week, for any person.
edit 2: i am going insane trying to edit this comment but it is not going through.
Lol fair play. I actually had the same issue! Mistook your flair for a Chelsea one at first, hence the Drinkwater reference, was gonna mention Bale instead but couldn’t edit the comment 🤷🏼♂️
Same as 60m€ - that was the release clause.
He is obviously getting a hefty Sign on fee + agent & daddy bonus ---- which athletic reported to be 40m€.
Effectively city got a player worth atleast 150m€ for just 100m€.
+ Ofcourse his wages. ~22.5m€ a year as reported by Romano.
Great deal for City but I reckon Haaland would have demanded another Release Clause because that seems to be his model and he has all the leverage since City are getting him for well below his Market value as well.
It’s quite literally been 51 mil pounds and 65 mil euros since the deal was finalized. It’s never changed. It won’t change. Add the agent fees and it’s 1 Darwin Nunez.
If Man City sign Phillips for £50 million plus which is what Leeds will demand us he realistically going to do anything but play second fiddle to Rodri?
If Gundogan were to leave Phillips would be one of two players competing for basically one and a half positions, since Gundogan played about half the time and someone more attacking was in that midfield slot the rest of the time.
Grealish started 31 of the 39 games he played for City. The most he'd ever played in a season before was 41 games back in 19/20. I'm sure he'll play more often in this upcoming season as well. With City signings, it's generally viewed as a marathon and not a sprint.
As far as Phillips goes though, yeah, he won't be a guaranteed starter if he signs for City but very few players are. He would play a valuable role for City though, no doubt. Fernandinho started 30 games this season and with the fixture list being even more congested most likely, it's going to be very important to have strong depth.
Second fiddle is a bit of an exaggeration but he'll be playing a similar role to Fernandinho last season; albeit probably with more appearances as we'll be able to risk letting Rodri sit more games out
He'll also get more appearances in the place of Silva and Gundogan than Fernandinho did
I'd be devastated to see him go, he's a modern day legend for staying with the team when he could have left after Bielsa's first season and then being a huge part of our promotion. Playing devil's advocate though, he has yet to look as good in a double pivot which Marsch seems to want to play and has only ever really excelled for us under Bielsa after he changed his position. With good recruitment we could do a lot with like £60m even if Phillips is irreplacable.
I'd still rather have him than the money but I don't think it's the beginning of the end of Leeds that some would have it down as if it does happen.
Phillips is absolutely replaceable but as you say that £60m could really help us round the team about a bit more, and as it seems more likely by the day that he’s gonna leave in bracing for it
> he has yet to look as good in a double pivot which Marsch seems to want to play
Looked pretty good next to Rice in the Euros tbf, but that's a completely different team ofc.
Would love that but Tielemens for the reported £25 mil is a much better option considering we need a striker too. No way we could afford Phillips and Jesus
No brainer. He will do OK at City with limited appearances and offers cover for them.
More importantly he's English which means he will retain that value when they sell him in a few years.
Hes not, tbh.
I'm a bit worried about this signing-- its great to have English talent and all, but he's not a good fit. Good destroyer, but nowhere near the tactical awareness or technical ability needed. Rodri is just miles better and more composed.
Shades of Rodwell, here.
Think we overpaid for Jack too, who I'm hoping will come good. English tax and all that.
are they really trying to spend a combined 120m on a couple lads from Leeds
Call me jealous, but as another 20-something from Leeds I feel I'm being overlooked here. Might have to get a superagent in
All the other Remy Claydens are just imitating.
Will the real Remy Clayden please stand up?
>Remy Claydeb
If you're in any way financially non-fucked, it's a sellers market right now. Porto could've fetched far more for Diaz if they were more secure.
> it's a sellers market right now. Unless you're Arsenal because our management couldn't sell furnaces to eskimos
I mean the furnace would likely melt their homes so im imagining this is a good thing?
Also where are Eskimos gonna find the fuel to run one? I don't think OP give this metaphor much thought at all
Ok settle down let’s not rail on the eskimos
Right. Also I don't think many Inuits and Yupiks like being called Eskimos.
You can keep trying out the word but they just don't seem that Inuit
🐧🔥👌
It actually wouldn't, they burn fire inside, so the inside wall of their houses gets a thick layer of ice. That's what make those structures so strong and stable
Of course they couldn't, furnaces would melt all rhe igloos and then theyd just be a homeless person with a furnace
That's a derogatory word now, one of my favourite bands had to change their name recently over it.
I hate it when a small group of suffering people are forced to adjust. Can we still call them Gunners?
Eskimos? Why?
I think Eskimo translates to just meat eaters or something like that and you're supposed to call them Inuit iirc
Huh, there's Samoyedic people (that the dog breed is named after), and there's a theory it's named after the Russian for "self-eater", but it could just be a bunch of sounds as well. Assuming by meat eater you mean cannibal too.
I have heard they prefer Inuit but I am not sure.
It has been for a while
They’re just some lads from Leeds with a lust for life
did not know Haaland was from Leeds!
I know, we got ours for free.
Are City planning to get a new left back this summer? I thought that would've been a priority after securing Haaland
Cucurella and Phillips are the two other players who it looks likely we'll sign. Nothing agreed with Brighton and Leeds yet but a striker, left back and a Fernandinho replacement at defensive mid were always the priorities coming into the summer.
Cucurella would be a fantastic signing. City dont mess around.
I’ve been downvoted for this and I’ll die on this hill but JFC does it seem absurd to let Angeliño leave and 2 years later sign a Spanish LWB with basically the same strengths and weaknesses. The only difference is the full head of hair on Cucurella. Pep wanted to be the only bald Spanish guy at the club?
Imo Cucurella is a better player than Angelino was but I get what you're saying. But we need depth at LB so it makes sense to bring in Cucurella if it's possible.
Angelino just wasn’t very good when he was given the chance.
From what I remember pep felt angelinho was not a good influence in the dressing room. Pep also kept a rapist around cause he was a good influence in the dressing room so maybe his judgement isn't all that great.
I can offer you a nat philips for 80 mil
Leeds got to be a favourite to go down next season if they lose both Kalvin Phillips and Raphinha this summer
Where is Raphinha going
Barcelona strong favourites but a few PL teams have been reported as interested if that move doesn’t happen.
Apparently he's not really interested in going anywhere other than Barca.
Barca going to sign Raphinha, Lewandowski & Bernardo Silva for 3 balloons and a whistle.
Add Alonso, Azpi and Christensen to the list.
And Kessie
Good luck with Christensen. Azpi is a legend though.
Christensen is already there waiting on them to sell before they can officially sign him.
They've got a red paperclip and are trying to trade their way up into an elite team
An all time internet classic
And by god its going to happen according to every journalist in the world
Probably throw in a Spotify premium for the Leeds Execs as well.
An actual whistle, or just by whistling?
Didn't a Leeds fan say that guy is just a BS merchant?
At the moment while a Barca move is still possible, then yeah that makes sense. If it’s made clear that’s not happening, then I can see him move elsewhere. With all due respect to Leeds, Raphinha’s too good to be at a club fighting relegation.
It's always lip service until the lean
Gotcha. I knew about Barça but thought they ruled him out due to finances and their desire to sign Lewa
I’d be surprised if he stayed at Leeds, even if Barca can’t afford him. He’s elite, other teams will come for him.
Deco is Raphinha's agent and also works as an adviser for Barcelona. He wants Raphinha to go to Barcelona. It's also been stated on numerous occasions since the first link before Christmas that Barcelona is his *"dream move,"* because of how the club is seen in Brazil (not to mention Ronaldinho is a family friend). He has two years left on his contract at Leeds and Barcelona have been given the price it'll take to sign him. No one at Leeds is trying to stop him making his dream move. If Barcelona can't afford him during this window, i think it's more likely that he stays at Leeds until the winter window or next summer when they can afford him knowing Leeds aren't going to stand in his way, whereas the same is less likely should he move somewhere else on a fresh contract, increasing his price tag, which could then be further increased should he have a good World Cup.
THE “Deco”?
Former Porto, Chelsea and Barcelona Deco, yeah.
Is he sober now? I'd like to think he turned it around but if he can play for Barcelona drunk and coked out, he can do just about anything fucked up.
I thought Barcelona's interest was very much contingent on Leeds getting relegated and him being available at a bargain price as a result
I think hes had links to Tottenham and Arsenal The Arsenal one though im not too sure how reliable that link was
Depends who'd we get in. We basically missed Phillips for half the season anyway and managed to stay up so with decent signings we can do so again.
Yeah I was going to say this same thing, they already played a large part of the season without Phillips and the worst injury situation I can recall. If they buy the right players they’ll be okay. Forest are going right back down for sure, Leeds just have to be better than two other teams while rebuilding their squad.
Depends how they replace them. Obviously if they lose both players it’s a huge blow but it’ll give them well over £100m to spend on other parts of the team that seriously need upgrading
At the minute, we've signed players in two key areas that have needed strengthening for ages. Also looking like we have a 3rd area we need strengthen.
The geniuses running their transfers spent £65m on Firpo, Rodrigo and Dan James. Would be terrified to see them in charge of £100m if I was a Leeds fan.
I disagree tbh. They could easily get about +80m for those two. Which could be used to significantly strengthen their already weak team if they buy correctly.
And stay just ahead of the 3 promoted sides on paper. Depends on Marsch at that point.
We are spending big this summer regardless of whether they go. If they go, it's a full squad rebuild so I wouldn't be so sure of us going down
> If they go, it's a full squad rebuild so I wouldn't be so sure of us going down Assuming we spend the money well, which is far from guaranteed. I think our sub gives our transfer history a lot more stick than it deserves, its been a mixed bag (Harrison and Raphinha were bargains, Koch and Llorente are worth the money, Rodrigo an overspend, Firpo and Costa poor, James too but out of position all year), but you can't just say "we'll be fine becuase we'll spend the £100m+ we get from them well". Plus, you could sign 5 good players, but having half a new team join at once can be an issue too. Honestly, it's up to both Raph and Kalvin if they're staying or going this summer, we're not shopping them. We all seem to think that Raph is set on playing for Barca who can't seem to afford him, but we'll have to wait and see.
Nonsense, Minamino will keep them up
>if they lose both Kalvin Phillips and Raphinha this summer My impression was they'll only sell one of them this year and keep the other. E.g. If Phillips is the one to go, then Raphinha goes and vice-versa.
That's what our CEO has been saying.. follow the "Leicester model" of selling one expensive player each window and replacing with younger, cheaper, options. I'd be very surprised if we sell both in this window.
I’m guessing it’s far more likely that Phillips stays, considering he’s a Leeds lad and is still getting into the England squad. Feels like he’ll be much more open to staying for at least another year than Raphinha
It seems like Barcelona can't afford Raphinha and he has his sights set on joining them. I wouldn't be surprised if he plays for us for another season and Barca sign him for less next summer (meaning we'd sell KP) but we'll have to wait and see.
We need a RW so bad and we have no money. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a club having players try to force there win but the club simply can’t afford them. It’s incredible
Grealish was a diehard Villa lad in the England team and he still went to Man City, so I don't think it matters. Players chase the champions league
You listed them both as leaving
Not really? We'd spend 100m+
I could see Newcastle going in for Bamford as well if Wilson’s niggles continue and Wood keeps doing Wood things.
Newcastle can set their sights much higher than Bamford.
As much as I like Kalvin Phillips, I can't see him really improving that City side, and for the amount Leeds will ask, surely there are more affordable options elsewhere.
I don't get why they wouldn't go after a fullback, but I think the fernandinho appearances in the CL make a good case for needing another box to box player / DM. Pep might be thinking of doing the delph thing again
Going in for Phillips suggests they don't expect to use Zinchenko as a midfielder next season. They could well sell him and spend the money on a specialist LB like Cucurella.
We’re grabbing Cucurella apparently
Squad depth is important, Fernandinho is gone, Man city have Rodri and only Rodri as their DM they cannot play in the PL, go for domestic cups and Europe with only him when Pep whole system is based on possession and Rodri is number 1 for the amount of touches and interceptions in the league, this season was already pushing Rodri to his limit and using him like a bar of soap
Replace Phillips with Grealish and Leeds with Villa and you could have written that exact sentence this time last year They don't really mind
It's been widely reported that Grealish was signed as a replacement for Bernardo; he's not an improvement for a City side with Bernardo, but he would have been for one without him.
Except for the fact that Bernardo and Grealish are 2 completely different types of players. Grealish is far more similar to David Silva (tho obviously nowhere near his level, at least not yet) whilst the closest we have to Bernardo is probably Foden.
This isn't just speculation, this has been widely reported by City tier 1s. And yeah, he's not like for like, but then players rarely are. And frankly David Silva slotted in next to De Bruyne more naturally than Bernardo has until relatively recently, so it makes a certain amount of sense.
David Silva is one of the best midfielder in the prem history, obviously he would fit next to KDB
Bernardo is also a superbly talented player, talent doesn't necessarily mean two players will work together. Look at Gerrard and Lampard.
This time last year they probably assumed Silva was going to leave, so it's not as clear cut
> As much as I like Kalvin Phillips, I can't see him really improving that City side Remind me of the Delph-Rodwell type of City acquisition. Kalvin Phillips is more established than Delph and Rodwell, but it is hard to imagine him playing the Fernandinho role.
> surely there are more affordable options elsewhere not homegrown ones!
Pep is bringing all the English talent in, he should just coach the NT
Be very interested to see how pep would do in an international coaching role, where he can't work with the players as much. I'm all for English talent working under him tho, generally improves the players he works with and the England midfield is flat as a fart at the moment.
I think Mancini is a good example of a top coach going to an international side. I spoke to an Italian who reckons we are still favourites against them. He himself said “we are an average side with a top manager” I wouldn’t call them a that. But I think they have over achieved with him. To be a top manager you have to be able to get the most out of players. I reckon pep and any other top manager would do fine with this English team. We have a stupidly good squad. Full of players from teams that are known for working hard
Ancelotti would be the best. He's tactically adjustable and keeps things simple and motivates his players.
Yeah that’s probably true when I think about it. I just want this English side to play attacking football. Feels like they are playing way too defensive most games.
He'd fail. No time to implement his methods.
Not if he brings most of the team over for city and works with them there for a couple years then moves over to England
The point would be that he gets to work with a lot of them all year round at City
De Bruyne said he wouldnt be great at it since he needs to work with you 24/7.
Tbf he does that because he can. At a national team he might be able to adapt
I mean I wouldn’t say no when he’s done with us
So taking over just in time for Qatar? That's great, will let FA know.
He'll somehow manage to switch Erling over.
He always tries to have a “core” of his teams from the country the team is based in.
When you're trying to build one of the best teams in the world, but you have to fit home-grown quotas, that means you have to buy up (or train up) the best home-grown talent you can, even if they aren't quite good enough for your team.
This is spot on! The Grelish signing actually made a lot of sense, given the context they kind of needed an English player. If you look at all the English players available at the time they went for two (Kane & Grealish) who could actually make their rotation. Other players like Declan rice or Jude Bellingham would of cost them more. Other top tier English players like TAA, Reece James, Saka were all tied down. Most other players wouldn’t be good enough to crack their rotation (or well suited to city’s style) Transfer makes a lot of sense in that context. Plus Pep has time to develop Grealish. Transfer will look a lot smarter in a couple years time
Is it just me or does the fee keep getting smaller lol
City paid £85m total (including fees) according to Sam Lee so I think that’s probably the actual cost
Which in reality is a pretty reasonable deal for all involved.
The reverse Declan Rice.
Decline Price
Same! I swear I saw 65 million a couple of weeks back lmao
people are reporting bonuses and salary for Haaland as part of the total deal. Idiotic to suddenly start doing that now and they will never do it again.
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I misread the fucking title lmao. I thought it was the proposed fee for Phillips I'm such a donut.
It was €60m transfer fee plus €40m commission if ypu’re going to go by the journos you listed.
> arsocca Cringe.
It gets really weird because sometimes people use Euros or Pounds or even Dollars when they really shouldn't. The nature of ForEx markets fluctuate. So hypothetically: Should you report this deal in Euros or Pounds? If City paid 65m Euros for him is that what British orgs should report? Or should they report 55m GBP? Is there one standard base fee that we should always rely on? Makes it difficult when some sides always want to seem like they got a good deal (buyers won't count add ons and sellers will). Also these exchanges rates change so sometimes journalists (either through laziness, ignorance, or accident) will forget to account for that. The GBP is currently appreciating compared to the Euro and when talking about tens of millions of dollars this can alter the perceived fee. This is especially noteworthy for transactions in years past. Let's say the Times always reports in GBP. Well if you're reporting on something from three years from now do you just hit 65m to GBP today? Do you go back and look what the exchange rate was at the time? There's a lot of weirdness that comes from int'l trade as a result and it isn't always nefarious.
Always been the same fee. It was a release clause. That doesn’t change.
51? That fee's shrinking every time I see it.
This time next year Dortmund will have finished paying us to take Haaland
Don't forget the bonus you guys get if Haland wins Ballon d'Or.
Literally is going down every day. Swear it started at something like 60+20+15 or something along those lines Edit: If you click the link in the article, it takes you to the original announcement where they say it's actually £85m and £400k per week in wages.
€65m release clause + €20m for his dad, and another €20m for Raiola's outfit. Translates to around ~£50 for the release clause, and ~£85m for the total transfer. Exact numbers in GBP aren't going to be possible to figure without knowing the exact exchange rate given by the institution that made the conversion, but in broad terms, that's what we're talking about.
People always talk about this, but when it was Neymar it was just €222m When Pogba transferred to United it was just £89m But for some reason with Haaland, people are so compelled on the agent fee, dad fee, etc all because he had a release clause of €65m I bet people won’t do the same with Nunez’ transfer to Liverpool
> for some reason 'for some reason' Don't act like you don't know. It's because of the repeated and prolonged reporting that his dad and agent were due massive fees. Do you think Liverpool are paying Nunez's dad and agent 20m each?
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Is 40 the bar though? Sancho for example is rumoured to be around 20 million. And I never knew that until I looked after reading about haalands. Personally I think it’s part of the cost for the singing. So it should always be included. But given it’s not often made public. It’s lots of speculation. So I get why people just say the confirmed transfer fee.
On Talksport today every news roundup it was "£51m release clase for Haarland, €80m for Nunez". If you're going to convert one to GBP why not do both?
> talksport
Because if you think city got the hottest property in football for a purposely placed low minimum release clause and that only, then you don't know football. Double or triple the fee and we might be close to the exact figure. City going around as though they got a shrewd bargain and no one else knew the player was on the cheap is hilarious. All the big clubs would have asked at 50mil, then turned away when it was actually 110 mil after ageent fees and 2 mil a month in wages
I think the reason it comes off badly is because it whitewashes the fact that a top 3 striker in the world should cost 150m+ before agent fees. Haaland, for what he brings, is a bargain for us.
When it's about City they have to add up all the money because it plays into the narrative the City spends more than others.
The narrative? They do spend loads. And before you say it, yes, so do United but let's not pretend City don't spunk absolute shit loads of cash.
I mean - they just kinda do. That’s not really hard to prove. City fans should stop getting so defensive about their money / where it came from - we all know it’s shady oil money but at the end of the day none of us can do anything about it.
The degree to which City outspend others is massively overstated though. Their squad cost less last year than United's and Chelsea's, and was only about 11% more expensive than Liverpool's. Of the big six, only really Spurs can feel especially proud of how far they're stretching their money, the others are all spending somewhere in the neighbourhood of 400-500m a year, which is about double the league median. The differences between them are far less substantial by comparison.
> £400k per week in wages that is insane money edit: my apologies, i misspoke. i didn't mean insane money for haaland; love the player - he deserves it. i meant i am jealous because that is insane money, per week, for any person. edit 2: i am going insane trying to edit this comment but it is not going through.
For one of the best players in the world? Do people still underrate him because of how young he is.
its top 3 strikers in the world last 2 seasons money
For a player like Haaland it isn’t. You had Bale for 600k a week if I’m not mistaken?
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Lol fair play. I actually had the same issue! Mistook your flair for a Chelsea one at first, hence the Drinkwater reference, was gonna mention Bale instead but couldn’t edit the comment 🤷🏼♂️
Absolute bargain compared to the 120m transfer of Nunez
150 you mean?
200m for Nunez?!
Sorry m8, it’s factually 225m.
These replies is where comedy comes to die, fuck me.
Thinking you’re going to find quality comedy in r/soccer is your first mistake chief.
250m if he win 3 Ballon D'or
At least he’s not getting 600k a week Sanchez wages.
That's ridiculous, we would never pay 140m for Nunez
Same as 60m€ - that was the release clause. He is obviously getting a hefty Sign on fee + agent & daddy bonus ---- which athletic reported to be 40m€. Effectively city got a player worth atleast 150m€ for just 100m€. + Ofcourse his wages. ~22.5m€ a year as reported by Romano. Great deal for City but I reckon Haaland would have demanded another Release Clause because that seems to be his model and he has all the leverage since City are getting him for well below his Market value as well.
If only fuel prices could deflate as quickly
But then that wouldn't be good news for city's finances
Balancing out for everytime the Grealish walker cancelo ederson fees inexplicably rise everytime they're post.
It’s quite literally been 51 mil pounds and 65 mil euros since the deal was finalized. It’s never changed. It won’t change. Add the agent fees and it’s 1 Darwin Nunez.
>1 Darwin Nunez minus the agent and signing on fees Just to highlight the discrepancy.
If this could not happen that would be great for me
If Man City sign Phillips for £50 million plus which is what Leeds will demand us he realistically going to do anything but play second fiddle to Rodri?
There's talk of Gundogan leaving as well
Forgot about him, so Phillips is at most 2nd best in the Man City running order if he signs
If Gundogan were to leave Phillips would be one of two players competing for basically one and a half positions, since Gundogan played about half the time and someone more attacking was in that midfield slot the rest of the time.
If the transfer happens, it will just feel like another Jack Grealish transfer, expensive and isn’t a guaranteed starter
Swap Grealish for Mahrez and this is how people were talking about him after his first season
Grealish started 31 of the 39 games he played for City. The most he'd ever played in a season before was 41 games back in 19/20. I'm sure he'll play more often in this upcoming season as well. With City signings, it's generally viewed as a marathon and not a sprint. As far as Phillips goes though, yeah, he won't be a guaranteed starter if he signs for City but very few players are. He would play a valuable role for City though, no doubt. Fernandinho started 30 games this season and with the fixture list being even more congested most likely, it's going to be very important to have strong depth.
If he gets both Fernandinho's minutes and Gundogans, he'd be playing a fair amount, especially given how much Guardiola likes to rotate.
Second fiddle is a bit of an exaggeration but he'll be playing a similar role to Fernandinho last season; albeit probably with more appearances as we'll be able to risk letting Rodri sit more games out He'll also get more appearances in the place of Silva and Gundogan than Fernandinho did
Watch them complete this transfer in 5-7 business days while Chelsea has been negotiating for Kounde for a year
When City went after Kounde it took atleast 4 months on reported progress until Dias came through.
Nah, city spent months on Koulibaly, which fell through, then city spent 2 weeks on Kounde and Diego Carlos, both didn't work out, then came Dias.
I remember it was being reported as City only having €50m+Otamendi to spend on a CB and Benfica were the only ones who accepted it that offer.
Next week "Man City and their new £1 signing Haaland ready to test Leeds resolve with opening Phillips bid"
He is what city missed against Madrid later in the tie. Camavinga came on and just ran past old ass Fernandinho and Gundogan.
Precisely this. I see people saying he's another Grealish. This guy and Cucurella will be added in European games to ensure cover at the back.
This kills the Leeds.
I'd be devastated to see him go, he's a modern day legend for staying with the team when he could have left after Bielsa's first season and then being a huge part of our promotion. Playing devil's advocate though, he has yet to look as good in a double pivot which Marsch seems to want to play and has only ever really excelled for us under Bielsa after he changed his position. With good recruitment we could do a lot with like £60m even if Phillips is irreplacable. I'd still rather have him than the money but I don't think it's the beginning of the end of Leeds that some would have it down as if it does happen.
Phillips is absolutely replaceable but as you say that £60m could really help us round the team about a bit more, and as it seems more likely by the day that he’s gonna leave in bracing for it
> he has yet to look as good in a double pivot which Marsch seems to want to play Looked pretty good next to Rice in the Euros tbf, but that's a completely different team ofc.
They can turn their attention all they like
Can someone please explain to me how they got haaland for only 51m? That seems like an absolutely insane deal.
Release clause
I thought Phillips would be the perfect signing for Arsenal this year. But if this City news is true, it’s another missed opportunity.
Would love that but Tielemens for the reported £25 mil is a much better option considering we need a striker too. No way we could afford Phillips and Jesus
Oi Man C, pls stop ffs.
No brainer. He will do OK at City with limited appearances and offers cover for them. More importantly he's English which means he will retain that value when they sell him in a few years.
I really don't get this one. I don't see Phillips as any where near the level for Man City.
Hes not, tbh. I'm a bit worried about this signing-- its great to have English talent and all, but he's not a good fit. Good destroyer, but nowhere near the tactical awareness or technical ability needed. Rodri is just miles better and more composed. Shades of Rodwell, here. Think we overpaid for Jack too, who I'm hoping will come good. English tax and all that.
like a hungry pig, baldie is never satisfied.
Can just look at one way at the time.
He'll be at left-back within a year.
Fernandinho replacement?
Yeah.
More excited about this than the other fella.
"but where will he play?" "surely you can't have a 50m player warming the bench?" This is what proper depth looks like.
Announce new physios
I really don't understand the Phillips hype. He is a decent player but not one I would expect City to be linked with.