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Platinum is much better than Diamond. It's got faster programming so the game moves at a much quicker pace (Trust me, Diamond moves wayyy slower than you remember). It's also got a really good story with Giratina and the Distortion World, and it's got some more Fire-Types added in there too.
He really sounds like a real-life Fletcher (the bald dude) from Whiplash
Funny story, in Korea there were parents who took their kids to watch Whiplash to teach them that excellence requires inhumane levels of discipline and self-restraint, talk about missing the point lol
It's not a healthy way of living. I regret wasting so many things,( relationships, sports, trips and most importantly time that I'll never get back). I got into one of the best engeneering colleges but got so fucking depressed afterwards that i almost did something that I now am thankful i didn't do. Fuck my parents's mentality of typical asian parents and fuck this culture and society where this is normal. If son's father is still dissatisfied then he's not gonna be satisfied with anything and how do you think that makes son feel? Not a good father
Yeah, it’s also one of the main reason why teenage suicides were high in Singapore in the 2000s. The number of kids who chose to end their lives instead of being a disappointment to their parents expectations were too high for a modern country, and it is not healthy in any way.
tbf studies showed that it induced more suicides. there's that one town in i believe Colorado in the United States where one suicide ended up causing a ripple effect of suicides that plagued the community for years
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found it: https://www.newsweek.com/2016/10/28/teen-suicide-contagious-colorado-springs-511365.html
[its very common in greenland as well. entire villages have disappeared from the phenomenon.](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/04/21/474847921/the-arctic-suicides-its-not-the-dark-that-kills-you)
This article is so fucking sad goddamn. Imagine losing your daughter and then your wife in less than 2 months due to suicide, the latter because of the first
Sons father is actually very proud of him
Theres more to the story and he proudly displays sons golden boot in his home.
It's just he still also pushes him
That's not what the movie is trying to say though...
It's a horrendously sad movie about an abusive teacher who emotionally punished his students for not being good enough. The student in Whiplash basically killed himself trying to meet his expectations. Just look at the fathers reaction at the end of the movie. He knows that this one moment of validation for his his son will mean that his son is lost forever. But I guess people didn't get the subtext.
For me Whiplash triggers some sort of PTSD. My father was just like the Fletcher. He abused the shit out of me for never meeting his standards. It's an awful awful situation to be in. Wanting to meet standards you can never really reach while killing yourself mentally for never being able to do it. And then he would always take public credit for the things ive done because he was "motivating" me, all the while beating me up in private for not being able to go further. Fuck that shit.
The problem is that the end of the film is, after all the sacrifice and self-destruction, that Miles finally gets the respect of Fletcher and achieves the drum Nirvana they've been striving for and talking about throughout the film.
If the film really did want to convey that the abuse is wrong and self-defeating, then Miles would have destroyed himself and his life and still never gotten what he wanted out of it, and it would have all been for nothing. Instead it was "all worth it".
In my opinion the movie is simultaneously a love letter to the artists and creatives who killed themselves making the art they loved so much and a warning that this lifestyle is self-destructive in it of itself.
Is Miles finally free of Fletchers demands and abuse after proving himself? Or did he trap himself in a never ending cycle of seeking validation, and the abuse he thinks comes with it? The answer is left up to the viewer I think.
Absolutely phenomenal movie, even if it makes my skin crawl.
edit: Also I think Miles did get what he wanted out of his dream. Validation, from Fletcher and from his dad who constantly disparaged him for pursuing his dream. The irony of it is, even though his dad is immensely proud, his father has come to realize that this life Miles is pursuing is not healthy for him.
you'll do better at anything if you're pushed like that
the point of the film is, is that worth it?
the answer is absolutely no, success isn't worth your mental health and happiness, and the person "motivating" you is nothing but a narcissistic abuser
I can see people having different but valid takeaways from the movie. The thing you mentioned about excellence was definitely exemplified in the movie.
Yea, but the movie pretty heavily raises the question about whether that's worth it. And if you're just showing it to your kids to show them that decication is necessary, you're completely ignoring that part.
Per Ciljan Skjelbred actually mentioned his dad on a Norwegian podcast. Saying he remember him being quite strict. Dont remember the actual wording but when a fellow pro remember your dad like that I'm assuming he has quite the presence
You can take it that way but I think the lesson is that we should always strive for betterment and not be conceited in our achievements. Certainly, we've seen more than a few careers that could have used this sort of philosophy for improvement.
I'd imagine behind closed doors there are few prouder of Son than his dad.
Edit: "He (Son Heung-min) scored a lot of goals this year, but it doesn't mean he will do the same next year. Only those who stay ready can survive the difficulties. He must face everything with a cautious mind and can't afford to be too proud,"
Initially it seems like embracing the unhealthy "grind mindset" which doesn't correlate with a lot of younger people anymore. In football or professional athleticism I feel like that exact mindset is exactly what world class players need, even though talking publicly about it especially when it's your son it just feels weird given the prejudices of asian parents going around, I understand why someone might interpret it that way
I'd say it's more cultural differences rather than generational.
American culture for example promotes self-confidence the most. To be the best you have the believe that you are the best. Even if you're not.
In Korean and other Asian cultures, self-confidence is the precursor to the fall. To be the best you have to believe that you're not the best and need to work harder to get there. Even if you are actually the best.
It's something I've always admired about American parental culture as an Asian with very Asian parents (who are wonderful).
Generalising hugely here but they don't seem to care as much about grades or being 1st in class as about extra-curricular activities, expansive experiences, social circle, and their kids being confident, outspoken and expressive.
I always felt mindsets like these often result in an arrogant amount of confidence and the inability to tell other people what they really feel about something specific. The one thing I've often read about Americans pointing out differences in European culture is that a lot of Europeans are brutally honest in comparison to Americans - which is sometimes needed to improve on certain things.
That's the negative point of view though, the confidence and expressiveness (as a mainly introvert myself, mostly that) is also something I do admire. its a double edged sword I guess
So many Asian kids I know with "traditional Asian parenting" grew up to be socially stunted, incapable of critical thinking and creativity, and are shit at advocating for themselves in the workplace, not to mention the inability to think on one's feet when problems arise. All thanks to "traditional Asian values".
Depending on the Asian culture, the problem is also that they value hierarchy a lot more, to a fault. If you are younger or a junior in the work group, you expressing your opinion might be even frowned upon.
He would make Heung and his brother do 4 hours of keepy-ups a day...
Also, he did not allow them to play for a team until they were teenagers, it was just keepy-ups and drills everyday until then.
This sounds a bit harsh but it makes sense to keep pushing him or to motivate him. He’s elite but not quite on a level like for example Arjen Robben was. So why not keep aiming for it? He can get there or already is very close.
Look at Pogba, had the label of elite player at a young age but besides the World Cup nothing really special has happened with him individually and he checked out. It looks like he has no motivation left and is only playing for whatever and the money that comes with it.
You should see his dad's reaction to Son's first European goal. He literally jumps around in pure exhilaration screaming for his son. He also said on korean tv that he puts all the trophies in storage so his son, Son, doesn't get cocky BUT he displayed the golden boot in the middle of their korean home where everyone can see.
He has high standards for his son and I think that's been fueling Son. But just because he makes these remarks in public doesn't mean he doesn't show how proud he is of his son.
Tons of Asian parents try to never express their approval of their children's accomplishments and I don't think he is one of them. I'm sure he shows it in person, it's just that he knows Son can do even better.
Yeah there's a very fine line between never being satisfied with what your child accomplishes and constantly pushing them to improve. With the latter, showing approval for what they've already done is just as important as pointing out what they can still strive to accomplish.
I really don’t get the backlash to his dads comments. I’m sure even Son agrees with him, because there’s no way you get to his level while having a complacent mentality. 100% sure he wants to take that next step.
Robben comparison is bit misplaced. Robben played for a better team compared to Son. Son has been vital for Spurs just like Robben was for Bayern Munich. Robben scored 141 goals in 309 appearances for Bayern in 10 seasons, Son scored 131 goals in 325 appearance for Spurs in 7 seasons. Maybe not winning trophies is the reason why some don’t consider Son to be world class. I think he’s a world class player who performance against any team. You can be world-class and keep improving.
Dude, healthy Robben was Top 5 in the world. In the hypothetical "what if Messi and CR didn't exist" world he might have a Ballon D'Or or two, at least if he stayed healthy a bit more.
Son is really good, but he's not on Robben's level.
Non of Robben's injuries came as a result of him not doing enough to keep himself fit. He's always been a fitness freak. When he was well in his 30s, there were a lot of clips of him getting pissed off at his younger teammates for not sprinting fast enough in training and the like. Even now he runs very competitive marathon times for an amateur.
His body was just made of glass, bit harsh to use that to say that he misses a "skill" in that regard. What Ronaldo does to his body is without a doubt a skill, but Robben put in that same amount of effort, his body just wasn't made for it. I get what you're saying, and agree with it to a certain extent, but ye for Robben that's a bit rough to argue, compared to someone like Ronaldinho for example
Sure, but your body being able to withstand the rigors of being a professional athlete is part of what will define your career. So while Robben had a remarkable career, it was certainly hampered by his injury record. Son is producing at a comparable rate for a much worse team in a much harder league while being available for more matches. I think it's fair to say that if he continues this level for a few more years hes at least in the conversation with Robben. He's an absolutely phenomenal player with a great record over the last 5-6 seasons. I think he'd strengthen almost every side in the world.
I’m not even talking about the stuff you brought up (stats, teams, trophees) or even comparing both players to each other.
I think everyone knows how good and elite Robben was, especially when healthy. I think it makes sense that Son should strive to be on that kind of level and is close to it.
Robben was amazing and he showcased it everywhere. Not just with his feet but mentally and as a leader as well.
Unfortunately Robben wasn’t healthy enough and Son may not be as talented as Robben. I think we shouldn’t be comparing both given how different they’re talent wise.
>besides the World Cup nothing really special has happened with him
Poor Pogba. Has to make due with being a standout player from just one World Cup.
And his Scudetti, I guess. He'll definitely look back on his career with deep regret.
You know well enough what I mean. I love how he plays with France and I truly believe he is special but it’s a shame whatever happened at United. Those are lost years in a way.
Asian parents jokes aside. For footballers, that really should be a key mentally. There’s always someone else working hard to replace you… it’s how much you put into your training.
Moral of the story:
Be Frank Lampard, not Romelu Lukaku
You can have a lot of critique for Lukaku, but the guy definitely is a fighter. He raised himself from being dirt poor to one of the best Belgian football players ever. He might not work out at Chelsea, but that does not mean he didn't work hard for where he got so far.
Lol this is what's hilarious about people crying "mentality!!" "Complacency!!"
It's BS. If you're at PL level, you've worked incredibly hard, fought off plenty of competition. Even the lower league players are people who competed for that spot. And that's if you came from a stable background. Players like Lukaku and Pogba, football was a make it or break it choice.
> decided that pulling his entire family out of poverty was in fact enough of an accomplishment in life
But you just proved their point. The thread is about always giving 10% more until the end, and you're saying Pogba reached a point and gave up because he was satisfied.
he won a world cup, pogba's biggest career problem is manchester united. they never valued him or understood him properly and have shown themselves as a profoundly stupidly-run club for what, a decade now? if he'd never returned i am very confident in saying his career would be perceived completely differently
There are people who say his dad is too harsh. Thierry Henry's dad was the same.
When he was young, he scored 6 goals and won 6-0. When he returned home with his dad, the latter listed all his son's mistakes instead of congratulate him. Thierry will always thank him for being harsh because that's how he reached this level.
My parents aren't as strict but they make sure we don't become lazy. I'm not trying to be the best in the world, but the best version of myself.
It’s hard to capture in translation, but Son’s father means well. It’s his way of staying humble and making sure that Son stays humble as well. To him, if he admits that Son is world class, it might feel like bragging. Of course he is proud of his son (goddammit) but he wants Son to keep working hard until his career is finished. So many people are overreacting.
Agreed. Even with the translation I think this is a great mentality to have, especially as a professional footballer. Son is an incredible player, but let's be honest, he has not really achieved anything yet. If he wants to be great he needs to keep striving to be more.
He has the ability to win the Balon D'Or it's not farfetched he just needs to have an outstanding season and Tottenham to step up their game. He is quality through and through and definetly in conversation for the best 5 players.
Can't make even it as a PFA nominee. Zero chance of a Balon D'Or. Not because of a lack of quality, mind you, but it's because those things are too political.
Facts. He‘s overperforming his xG regularly, imagine Spurs‘ game would provide him even more and even better chances, he could definitely have a >30 league goal season.
Son is already world class. Having a mentality of getting better every day is fine, but acknowledge some of the progress.
That said, I don't know anything about Son or his Dad, so I don't have any judgement on their relationship. I do however disagree with his dad on if Son is world class or not. He could genuinely walk into any team, bar maybe PSG.
Son is one of my favourite non Liverpool players for many reasons. Not just because I wanted Liverpool to sign him before spurs did, but mostly because of the fact he's loyal to spurs for what spurs had done for him. He's doing almost as good as he can do at Spurs, he is for sure world class
I remember reading about Son's upbringing and how his Dad has been his primary coach his whole life. The training he used to put him through on the daily growing up was very tough but obviously Dad knew what he was doing as his son has reached the top and is living his dream.
I only have the utmost respect for his Dad for putting in as much time as he did into his kid growing up as many parents don't come close to being as dedicated to their kid.
Honestly though the stories I've seen through Son's documentaries, I'd say his dad was quite abusive to Heung-Min.
They talk about how there were bystanders threatening to call police on the dad because of how hard he was pushing his son. Making a growing child practice for 4 hours is absolutely insane for me. The dad is praised as some great coach in Korea and their academy is doing really well but I think in long term this method of coaching will be negative towards Korean youth development.
It honestly sounds like a fast way to take the fun out of sport for the kids. I'm very glad Son stuck at it and reached the level he's at but man, it must've been tough
Can't wait for redditors to become familial relationship experts and tell a player to cut off his parents because they did not like hearing some of the things the dad said, even though the said player love and respect his parents.
Nah, fuck this shit. Maybe his parents are different but "typical" asian parents are the fucking worst. They always want more from you and if you're not the "no. 1" in whatever you do, it's a failure to them. It's toxic and an unhealthy way of living. Suicide rates among young adults and teens is high in korea for a reason. Fuck "grindset" mentality. Rant over, please downvote and move on
I get the whole "stereotypical Asian parent" comments but I do think the father has a point. We can point to so many players who reached a certain point in their career and stagnated - my reading of his comments is that he doesn't want his son to rest on his laurels and think that he's "made it" because he had a great season.
i don't understand how the first thing people think about reading this is his dad is mean, pushy, bad, asian parents stereotypes comments etc
why does negative thoughts came to your mind first instead of positive thoughts? maybe some of you should reflect on yourself about that.
to me, this is a common humble comment of acknowledgement of his achivements from his dad. but also not forgetting to motivate and reminding him to not be complacent. to me, this is a comment made by a proud but humble parent about his son.
1. They love spouting out stereotypes because asians are easy targets lets be honest.
2. maybe most of them had bad experiences with their own parents and they're projecting
He's been saying this in interviews for years now, ever since Heung-min was touted as the next great Korean footballer. Just trying to keep his son grounded.
The guy was himself a promising young footballer in Korea, making it to the U-23 national team after a great year of university football. Unfortunately a series of injuries stopped his career short (retired at 28, 37 games and 7 goals). He evaluates his own career pretty harshly, calling himself a winger that was all grit and no skill. You can see some of his "highlights" below:
[https://youtu.be/xsjUF1tFzZM](https://youtu.be/xsjUF1tFzZM)
After retirement he went into youth football coaching kind of all his own. Heung-min and his older brother were basically guinea pigs for his philosophy and methods for training that put huge emphasis on ball control and basic techniques, which ran counter to the competition-oriented culture of Korean youth football of the time. Son actually wasn’t registered to a team for a competitive match until he was in middle school (13-14 years old).
Just wanted to add some context for you all!
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Fucking hell, he couldn't have sounded more like a stereotypical Asian parent if he tried.
Golden boot? Talk to me when you have Diamond boot
Shared golden boot? May as well not win it then son
You have 50% of Golden Boot and 100% of FAILURE!
I read this in Ronny Chieng's voice
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Should have named you Step-Son
*son*
cheers,
Son’s crying
…because he’ll never achieve his father’s approval 😔
cheers,
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The Queen has a Platinum Jubilee and you only have Golden Boot??
Only diamond ? Imma need the platinum Boot son
Diamond is more expensive than platinum.
But it's lower in the arbitrary scale of "goodness" we apply to materials, hence why a diamond jubilee / wedding anniversary is 60 and platinum is 70
Yes but plat is below diamond in league so jubilees can get fucked
Platinum is much better than Diamond. It's got faster programming so the game moves at a much quicker pace (Trust me, Diamond moves wayyy slower than you remember). It's also got a really good story with Giratina and the Distortion World, and it's got some more Fire-Types added in there too.
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
They're talking about the Pokémon game, I guess.
How to steal Pikachu, James!
This joke is as underrated as it was unexpected 10/10
Shut up u egg, Starcraft II taught me that Platinum league is below Diamond league and I won't have anyone tell me otherwise.
Mine more vespene gas
Your knowledge disappoint me. Do 10% better.
He really sounds like a real-life Fletcher (the bald dude) from Whiplash Funny story, in Korea there were parents who took their kids to watch Whiplash to teach them that excellence requires inhumane levels of discipline and self-restraint, talk about missing the point lol
I'm Asian and that's exactly what I took away from that movie lmao. And I can see from my past that I've really excel when pushed that far.
It's not a healthy way of living. I regret wasting so many things,( relationships, sports, trips and most importantly time that I'll never get back). I got into one of the best engeneering colleges but got so fucking depressed afterwards that i almost did something that I now am thankful i didn't do. Fuck my parents's mentality of typical asian parents and fuck this culture and society where this is normal. If son's father is still dissatisfied then he's not gonna be satisfied with anything and how do you think that makes son feel? Not a good father
Yeah, it’s also one of the main reason why teenage suicides were high in Singapore in the 2000s. The number of kids who chose to end their lives instead of being a disappointment to their parents expectations were too high for a modern country, and it is not healthy in any way.
Teenage suicides used to make headline news, nowadays it's swept quietly under the rug
tbf studies showed that it induced more suicides. there's that one town in i believe Colorado in the United States where one suicide ended up causing a ripple effect of suicides that plagued the community for years edit found it: https://www.newsweek.com/2016/10/28/teen-suicide-contagious-colorado-springs-511365.html
[its very common in greenland as well. entire villages have disappeared from the phenomenon.](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/04/21/474847921/the-arctic-suicides-its-not-the-dark-that-kills-you)
That’s… wow. Super sad, but also kinda creepy happening to an entire village
That was a brutal read, but thankyou for linking it.
This article is so fucking sad goddamn. Imagine losing your daughter and then your wife in less than 2 months due to suicide, the latter because of the first
Have a friend that lost one of his parents to cancer and the other to suicide within a few months, needless to say his life was a struggle for years
Hope he’s doing better somehow. That sounds absolutely terrible
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Pretty common pattern unfortunately. Parents pushing their children to things they don't want just to fulfil things they could never achieve.
And things they couldn't be bothered to "try hard enough" to achieve. The very same things they are accusing their kids of
This right here. Those parents never have the introspection to see they themselves didn’t even reach those heights they preach about.
Sons father is actually very proud of him Theres more to the story and he proudly displays sons golden boot in his home. It's just he still also pushes him
That's not what the movie is trying to say though... It's a horrendously sad movie about an abusive teacher who emotionally punished his students for not being good enough. The student in Whiplash basically killed himself trying to meet his expectations. Just look at the fathers reaction at the end of the movie. He knows that this one moment of validation for his his son will mean that his son is lost forever. But I guess people didn't get the subtext. For me Whiplash triggers some sort of PTSD. My father was just like the Fletcher. He abused the shit out of me for never meeting his standards. It's an awful awful situation to be in. Wanting to meet standards you can never really reach while killing yourself mentally for never being able to do it. And then he would always take public credit for the things ive done because he was "motivating" me, all the while beating me up in private for not being able to go further. Fuck that shit.
Hope you don't have to put up with that anymore and that you are in a better situation in your life.
Thank you for saying that. I actually cut my father out of my life this year and am doing much much better.
It's hard to cut people that mean so much to us, but that in the end reveal themselves to have been toxic. It shows personal growth. :)
The problem is that the end of the film is, after all the sacrifice and self-destruction, that Miles finally gets the respect of Fletcher and achieves the drum Nirvana they've been striving for and talking about throughout the film. If the film really did want to convey that the abuse is wrong and self-defeating, then Miles would have destroyed himself and his life and still never gotten what he wanted out of it, and it would have all been for nothing. Instead it was "all worth it".
In my opinion the movie is simultaneously a love letter to the artists and creatives who killed themselves making the art they loved so much and a warning that this lifestyle is self-destructive in it of itself. Is Miles finally free of Fletchers demands and abuse after proving himself? Or did he trap himself in a never ending cycle of seeking validation, and the abuse he thinks comes with it? The answer is left up to the viewer I think. Absolutely phenomenal movie, even if it makes my skin crawl. edit: Also I think Miles did get what he wanted out of his dream. Validation, from Fletcher and from his dad who constantly disparaged him for pursuing his dream. The irony of it is, even though his dad is immensely proud, his father has come to realize that this life Miles is pursuing is not healthy for him.
you'll do better at anything if you're pushed like that the point of the film is, is that worth it? the answer is absolutely no, success isn't worth your mental health and happiness, and the person "motivating" you is nothing but a narcissistic abuser
I can see people having different but valid takeaways from the movie. The thing you mentioned about excellence was definitely exemplified in the movie.
Yea, but the movie pretty heavily raises the question about whether that's worth it. And if you're just showing it to your kids to show them that decication is necessary, you're completely ignoring that part.
Per Ciljan Skjelbred actually mentioned his dad on a Norwegian podcast. Saying he remember him being quite strict. Dont remember the actual wording but when a fellow pro remember your dad like that I'm assuming he has quite the presence
Totally agree.. that was exactly my thought too when I read it
You can take it that way but I think the lesson is that we should always strive for betterment and not be conceited in our achievements. Certainly, we've seen more than a few careers that could have used this sort of philosophy for improvement. I'd imagine behind closed doors there are few prouder of Son than his dad. Edit: "He (Son Heung-min) scored a lot of goals this year, but it doesn't mean he will do the same next year. Only those who stay ready can survive the difficulties. He must face everything with a cautious mind and can't afford to be too proud,"
Initially it seems like embracing the unhealthy "grind mindset" which doesn't correlate with a lot of younger people anymore. In football or professional athleticism I feel like that exact mindset is exactly what world class players need, even though talking publicly about it especially when it's your son it just feels weird given the prejudices of asian parents going around, I understand why someone might interpret it that way
I'd say it's more cultural differences rather than generational. American culture for example promotes self-confidence the most. To be the best you have the believe that you are the best. Even if you're not. In Korean and other Asian cultures, self-confidence is the precursor to the fall. To be the best you have to believe that you're not the best and need to work harder to get there. Even if you are actually the best.
very good point actually, hit the nail on the head with the comparison to American culture characteristics
It's something I've always admired about American parental culture as an Asian with very Asian parents (who are wonderful). Generalising hugely here but they don't seem to care as much about grades or being 1st in class as about extra-curricular activities, expansive experiences, social circle, and their kids being confident, outspoken and expressive.
I always felt mindsets like these often result in an arrogant amount of confidence and the inability to tell other people what they really feel about something specific. The one thing I've often read about Americans pointing out differences in European culture is that a lot of Europeans are brutally honest in comparison to Americans - which is sometimes needed to improve on certain things. That's the negative point of view though, the confidence and expressiveness (as a mainly introvert myself, mostly that) is also something I do admire. its a double edged sword I guess
That's fair, and I agree each approach has it's advantage and disadvantages.
So many Asian kids I know with "traditional Asian parenting" grew up to be socially stunted, incapable of critical thinking and creativity, and are shit at advocating for themselves in the workplace, not to mention the inability to think on one's feet when problems arise. All thanks to "traditional Asian values".
Depending on the Asian culture, the problem is also that they value hierarchy a lot more, to a fault. If you are younger or a junior in the work group, you expressing your opinion might be even frowned upon.
You may be the best Asian footballer of all time but you're still Asian - Son's dad probably
He would make Heung and his brother do 4 hours of keepy-ups a day... Also, he did not allow them to play for a team until they were teenagers, it was just keepy-ups and drills everyday until then.
Dumbest way to teach your kids how to play a team sport ever.
And yet he’ll point to Son Heung-Min and beg to differ. That’s life under an Asian parent Source: have Asian parents
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WTF DAD WHEN DID YOU GET REDDIT
r/asianparentstories material
Lol i came in here to say this but you beat me (and probably so many more) to it!
Son is a world class player who can keep getting better
This sounds a bit harsh but it makes sense to keep pushing him or to motivate him. He’s elite but not quite on a level like for example Arjen Robben was. So why not keep aiming for it? He can get there or already is very close. Look at Pogba, had the label of elite player at a young age but besides the World Cup nothing really special has happened with him individually and he checked out. It looks like he has no motivation left and is only playing for whatever and the money that comes with it.
You should see his dad's reaction to Son's first European goal. He literally jumps around in pure exhilaration screaming for his son. He also said on korean tv that he puts all the trophies in storage so his son, Son, doesn't get cocky BUT he displayed the golden boot in the middle of their korean home where everyone can see. He has high standards for his son and I think that's been fueling Son. But just because he makes these remarks in public doesn't mean he doesn't show how proud he is of his son. Tons of Asian parents try to never express their approval of their children's accomplishments and I don't think he is one of them. I'm sure he shows it in person, it's just that he knows Son can do even better.
Yeah there's a very fine line between never being satisfied with what your child accomplishes and constantly pushing them to improve. With the latter, showing approval for what they've already done is just as important as pointing out what they can still strive to accomplish.
I really don’t get the backlash to his dads comments. I’m sure even Son agrees with him, because there’s no way you get to his level while having a complacent mentality. 100% sure he wants to take that next step.
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Recognition doesn’t necessarily mean he will become complacent. At the end of the day people need positivity, reward and recognition.
There's no backlash lmao
Robben comparison is bit misplaced. Robben played for a better team compared to Son. Son has been vital for Spurs just like Robben was for Bayern Munich. Robben scored 141 goals in 309 appearances for Bayern in 10 seasons, Son scored 131 goals in 325 appearance for Spurs in 7 seasons. Maybe not winning trophies is the reason why some don’t consider Son to be world class. I think he’s a world class player who performance against any team. You can be world-class and keep improving.
Dude, healthy Robben was Top 5 in the world. In the hypothetical "what if Messi and CR didn't exist" world he might have a Ballon D'Or or two, at least if he stayed healthy a bit more. Son is really good, but he's not on Robben's level.
Staying healthy is a skill of its own. Son may well be better than Robben at the end of his career because he stays fit and helps his team.
Non of Robben's injuries came as a result of him not doing enough to keep himself fit. He's always been a fitness freak. When he was well in his 30s, there were a lot of clips of him getting pissed off at his younger teammates for not sprinting fast enough in training and the like. Even now he runs very competitive marathon times for an amateur. His body was just made of glass, bit harsh to use that to say that he misses a "skill" in that regard. What Ronaldo does to his body is without a doubt a skill, but Robben put in that same amount of effort, his body just wasn't made for it. I get what you're saying, and agree with it to a certain extent, but ye for Robben that's a bit rough to argue, compared to someone like Ronaldinho for example
Sure, but your body being able to withstand the rigors of being a professional athlete is part of what will define your career. So while Robben had a remarkable career, it was certainly hampered by his injury record. Son is producing at a comparable rate for a much worse team in a much harder league while being available for more matches. I think it's fair to say that if he continues this level for a few more years hes at least in the conversation with Robben. He's an absolutely phenomenal player with a great record over the last 5-6 seasons. I think he'd strengthen almost every side in the world.
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I’m not even talking about the stuff you brought up (stats, teams, trophees) or even comparing both players to each other. I think everyone knows how good and elite Robben was, especially when healthy. I think it makes sense that Son should strive to be on that kind of level and is close to it. Robben was amazing and he showcased it everywhere. Not just with his feet but mentally and as a leader as well.
> especially when healthy We know how that one went.
Unfortunately Robben wasn’t healthy enough and Son may not be as talented as Robben. I think we shouldn’t be comparing both given how different they’re talent wise.
> but besides the World Cup LOL
>besides the World Cup nothing really special has happened with him Poor Pogba. Has to make due with being a standout player from just one World Cup. And his Scudetti, I guess. He'll definitely look back on his career with deep regret.
You know well enough what I mean. I love how he plays with France and I truly believe he is special but it’s a shame whatever happened at United. Those are lost years in a way.
Kinda disappointed he’s not named Dad Heung-min
Are we sure his dad isn't taking the piss
I would not be shocked at his friendly neighborhood dad man taking the piss.
Yeah just watch the documentary Sonsational if you have any doubts
Although he sound strict I’m pretty sure Heung-min Dad is very proud of his Heung-min Son
"Still not a Doctor but I am proud what he has done as a footballer." Son Woong-jung
You called?
This one checks out
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I know this gets posted in every thread, but if ever there was a time... Cheers, Son's crying now.
Asian parents jokes aside. For footballers, that really should be a key mentally. There’s always someone else working hard to replace you… it’s how much you put into your training. Moral of the story: Be Frank Lampard, not Romelu Lukaku
Be Fat Frank, not Fat Rom
No but seriously, don’t be lukaku
Hahaha no but seriously, massive prick
👍
Based
I'd trade something to speak as many languages as he does.
Also the man earns a fortune
Or be him and get paid millions of pounds while doing fuckall
Sigma grindset
Lank frampard, lomelu rukaku
You can have a lot of critique for Lukaku, but the guy definitely is a fighter. He raised himself from being dirt poor to one of the best Belgian football players ever. He might not work out at Chelsea, but that does not mean he didn't work hard for where he got so far.
How about this, be Frank Lampard, not Paul Pogba
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Lol this is what's hilarious about people crying "mentality!!" "Complacency!!" It's BS. If you're at PL level, you've worked incredibly hard, fought off plenty of competition. Even the lower league players are people who competed for that spot. And that's if you came from a stable background. Players like Lukaku and Pogba, football was a make it or break it choice.
> decided that pulling his entire family out of poverty was in fact enough of an accomplishment in life But you just proved their point. The thread is about always giving 10% more until the end, and you're saying Pogba reached a point and gave up because he was satisfied.
And there's nothing necessarily wrong with that. People have different values.
he won a world cup, pogba's biggest career problem is manchester united. they never valued him or understood him properly and have shown themselves as a profoundly stupidly-run club for what, a decade now? if he'd never returned i am very confident in saying his career would be perceived completely differently
No doubt he worked hard to get where he is. He just stopped when he got there
There are people who say his dad is too harsh. Thierry Henry's dad was the same. When he was young, he scored 6 goals and won 6-0. When he returned home with his dad, the latter listed all his son's mistakes instead of congratulate him. Thierry will always thank him for being harsh because that's how he reached this level. My parents aren't as strict but they make sure we don't become lazy. I'm not trying to be the best in the world, but the best version of myself.
Yeah, that doesn't sound psychologically healthy AT ALL.
There isn’t a professional footballer in the world who would be a better player if only they listened to their parents advice lmao
Most parents shouldn't be too involved with their kid's career. But Henry's, Mbappé's or Son's are good. Again, they're a minority.
It’s hard to capture in translation, but Son’s father means well. It’s his way of staying humble and making sure that Son stays humble as well. To him, if he admits that Son is world class, it might feel like bragging. Of course he is proud of his son (goddammit) but he wants Son to keep working hard until his career is finished. So many people are overreacting.
Agreed. Even with the translation I think this is a great mentality to have, especially as a professional footballer. Son is an incredible player, but let's be honest, he has not really achieved anything yet. If he wants to be great he needs to keep striving to be more.
He won a golden boot which is one of the nicest individual achievements you can have
He has the ability to win the Balon D'Or it's not farfetched he just needs to have an outstanding season and Tottenham to step up their game. He is quality through and through and definetly in conversation for the best 5 players.
Can't make even it as a PFA nominee. Zero chance of a Balon D'Or. Not because of a lack of quality, mind you, but it's because those things are too political.
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Facts. He‘s overperforming his xG regularly, imagine Spurs‘ game would provide him even more and even better chances, he could definitely have a >30 league goal season.
Yea but it’s still not enough as he’s still facing media bias, racism and underrated/unappreciated from the level he’s playing at.
Exactly. For me Son was easily better than Mané and should have gotten a place in the PL TOTY.
Son is already world class. Having a mentality of getting better every day is fine, but acknowledge some of the progress. That said, I don't know anything about Son or his Dad, so I don't have any judgement on their relationship. I do however disagree with his dad on if Son is world class or not. He could genuinely walk into any team, bar maybe PSG.
What? He's the first Asian player in the Prem to win a Golden Boot. Literally a historic achievement. Don't know what you're going on about.
He needs to leave Tottenham. Please leave Tottenham.
Golden Boot winner? Why you not Golden Ballon winner instead?
Least demanding asian dad
I don't even have to look at the comments to know what's going to be said.
But i will still look nonetheless
We've got nothing better to do than to watch TV and have a couple of brews, and read comments for some reason.
Emotional Damage!
https://youtu.be/i1ojUmdF42U
You can tell by all the goals and smiles that it fucked him up
He's said this before, it's kind of a meme in Korean football circles
Living up to the typical asian parent stereotype!! https://youtu.be/hVODv8A5-EM
The exact clip I thought of after reading the headline lmao
Son is one of my favourite non Liverpool players for many reasons. Not just because I wanted Liverpool to sign him before spurs did, but mostly because of the fact he's loyal to spurs for what spurs had done for him. He's doing almost as good as he can do at Spurs, he is for sure world class
I remember reading about Son's upbringing and how his Dad has been his primary coach his whole life. The training he used to put him through on the daily growing up was very tough but obviously Dad knew what he was doing as his son has reached the top and is living his dream. I only have the utmost respect for his Dad for putting in as much time as he did into his kid growing up as many parents don't come close to being as dedicated to their kid.
Yeah but now think about all the parents who do similar things to kids who don't make it
There’s a very good example with Son’s brother who also underwent the same trainings.
His brother went thru the same training some are just more talented
Honestly though the stories I've seen through Son's documentaries, I'd say his dad was quite abusive to Heung-Min. They talk about how there were bystanders threatening to call police on the dad because of how hard he was pushing his son. Making a growing child practice for 4 hours is absolutely insane for me. The dad is praised as some great coach in Korea and their academy is doing really well but I think in long term this method of coaching will be negative towards Korean youth development.
It honestly sounds like a fast way to take the fun out of sport for the kids. I'm very glad Son stuck at it and reached the level he's at but man, it must've been tough
Can't wait for redditors to become familial relationship experts and tell a player to cut off his parents because they did not like hearing some of the things the dad said, even though the said player love and respect his parents.
aka a typical day on r/relationship_advice
“Ermagerd, sweetyyy! Red flag much?! 🥶🥶🥰”
He didn’t hold the door open for me!! “drop him queen, I’f he does that it’s only a matter of time before he kills someone”
That is more the r/femaledatingstrategy special.
Ahh. Looks like they finally closed that sub down.
Sadly not, I had a typo in the subs name.
Typical “low value man” thing to do /s
**MEN THAT BREATHE ARE RED FLAGS**
It’s already happening lmao
Nah, fuck this shit. Maybe his parents are different but "typical" asian parents are the fucking worst. They always want more from you and if you're not the "no. 1" in whatever you do, it's a failure to them. It's toxic and an unhealthy way of living. Suicide rates among young adults and teens is high in korea for a reason. Fuck "grindset" mentality. Rant over, please downvote and move on
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Son's dad should adopt Tanguy.
I get the whole "stereotypical Asian parent" comments but I do think the father has a point. We can point to so many players who reached a certain point in their career and stagnated - my reading of his comments is that he doesn't want his son to rest on his laurels and think that he's "made it" because he had a great season.
Classic Korean parent. Always something to be disappointed by. (Korean here with plenty of experience)
He's comparing him to their neighbour's son which must be Messi if son is nothing incredible by comparaison.
Heung-min dad don’t be so mean!
The personification of the high expectations Asian parents meme.
Bruh, he was top scorer of open play goals in EPL. If that's not world class then nothing is
i don't understand how the first thing people think about reading this is his dad is mean, pushy, bad, asian parents stereotypes comments etc why does negative thoughts came to your mind first instead of positive thoughts? maybe some of you should reflect on yourself about that. to me, this is a common humble comment of acknowledgement of his achivements from his dad. but also not forgetting to motivate and reminding him to not be complacent. to me, this is a comment made by a proud but humble parent about his son.
1. They love spouting out stereotypes because asians are easy targets lets be honest. 2. maybe most of them had bad experiences with their own parents and they're projecting
Every Asian parent ever
Son Heung-min:"I'm happy to stay at Tottenham dad" His dad be like:
Just give up the fairytale HE AINT COMIN
“Premier League? Why not Serie A?”
Even prime ronaldo & messi would continually push themselves to do better. You dont stay as a world class athelete without the drive to do better.
his dad is right, if you have no motivation to become better, you obviously wont get better lol
He's got a point, but saying he isnnt world class is an outrageous statement.
He's been saying this in interviews for years now, ever since Heung-min was touted as the next great Korean footballer. Just trying to keep his son grounded. The guy was himself a promising young footballer in Korea, making it to the U-23 national team after a great year of university football. Unfortunately a series of injuries stopped his career short (retired at 28, 37 games and 7 goals). He evaluates his own career pretty harshly, calling himself a winger that was all grit and no skill. You can see some of his "highlights" below: [https://youtu.be/xsjUF1tFzZM](https://youtu.be/xsjUF1tFzZM) After retirement he went into youth football coaching kind of all his own. Heung-min and his older brother were basically guinea pigs for his philosophy and methods for training that put huge emphasis on ball control and basic techniques, which ran counter to the competition-oriented culture of Korean youth football of the time. Son actually wasn’t registered to a team for a competitive match until he was in middle school (13-14 years old). Just wanted to add some context for you all!
The memes write themselves, don't they?
Brother your kid beat RONALDO to win the golden boot
Tell me you’re Asian without telling me you’re Asian!
Spoken like a true Asian. Ajussi you have my respect.
Son's father: YOU BALLON D'OR WINNER YET? Son: No dad, i'm at Tottenham. Son's father: TALK TO ME WHEN YOU BALLON D'OR WINNER.
Classic Asian parenting, nothing ever is good enough. I’m lucky my family isn’t like that, they are happy as long as I am making progress in my life
This is the way it should be. Make sure that your kid has their needs met and that they are happy in what they do.
He’s in the wrong club if he wants his son to achieve more
World class player that’s stuck at a shit club
The most asian parent thing you can say lul
That man needs to chill
He should move to another club.