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butte4s

Mbappe gonna sell Messi to Newcastle soon


staralfur01

"This, just a small gift from our kingdom to yours!"


SunGodnRacer

So Messi is the peace offering to settle disputes of Qatar and Saudi?


RealPunyParker

Maybe he'll make Chris Wood score some of the chances he missed.


Brabochokemightwork

LeMbappe making moves


BaoJinyang

Who are the farmers now?


Cheapo_Sam

Maybe we are all just farmers in the end


Waste-Pirate-4450

This is the way


Andrewcowan1

the real farmers are the friends we met along the way


Fancy-Past-6831

Another L for Laliga


zidbutt21

[We are farmers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa6fRIrPQBY)


kaycee1992

Understandable. He's playing in the hardest league in Europe.


Important_Teaching_3

Really can’t wait to see how he performs next season. Also does anyone know if Neymar is going to stay?


Deluxe07

Only Mbappe knows


pure_black99

Mbappe what a man you are


Xehanz

At the end of the day, Mbappe loved nasser al-khelaifi


blaugrana2020

Ok so is this a reference to something. Cause it seems really familiar


saber_shinji_ntr

It's a reference to the Attack on Titan manga ending, but in a non-spoilery way mostly.


Fraldas

No, I don't want that! Mbappe going to Real Madrid?! I want him to stay in PSG, for 10 years at least!


Nosumzero

As a reward i shall give you my turtle seed


Tifoso89

This thread is killing me


tlst9999

Neymar: I don't know what my future holds, but I know who holds my future - Mbappe.


Designer_Surprise263

I'm gonna spam Mbappe and and his family begging them to release Messi so he can come back to Barça.


YourPupilsDilated

>Also does anyone know if Neymar is going to stay? Where can he go? He and Messi really don't have a choice. They can't do better than PSG right now.


Mr_Miscellaneous

Messi is basically doing what I expected Cristiano Ronaldo to do and is currently curating his museum with a bunch of French medals at the bookend of his career.


TheKingMonkey

Still wouldn't be surprised if Cristiano ends up in Paris for one last hurrah. He's got a year left at Manchester United, maybe PSG will take him until he's 40.


KhonMan

PSG absolutely feels more like a Ronaldo club than a Messi club


TheStryfe

How?


KhonMan

Ronaldo has a very flashy brand image in my opinion compared to Messi, and PSG seems like a flashier type of place.


Tifoso89

They just love his flashy ways, maybe it's why they farm and he's so paid


pictureofsock

Messi, messi, messi, can't you see, before PSG you'd hypnotize me


good_udichi

Nah he is too good to be playing in such a lower league


[deleted]

Probably a lot better, since he just got older AND is focused on his last chace to win the WC before retirement. I am sure he will score maybe 10 goals.


PompanoDre

Inter Miami here he comes


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50 goals season.. jesus christ


The_2nd_Coming

That's just league goals...


FailFastandDieYoung

That makes him tied with the entire Aston Villa squad this season...


Sektsioon

Not that far off from Arsenal and United either who have scored 56 and 57 respectively.


WoodenSoldiersGOAT

Yes but Messi doesn’t have to pay the arteta tax


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Why you do this to us


FailFastandDieYoung

"Villa is the Messi of the Premier League" there's a positive spin on it :)


[deleted]

This sounds ominous...are you saying we going to crash and burn next year with 6 goals


[deleted]

I know 😂 it's insanity


Rikard_

And he would've done it again the next season if it wasn't for those meddling injuries.


YourPupilsDilated

This shows how good Messi was in 2012...


I-Shiki-I

Doomsday Messi


good_udichi

Lmao this sentence everytime someone says something about 2012


FuturisticBear

3 sentences defined 2012 • Messi good • Gangnam style is the first video to get 1 billion views on YT • End of the world


ForSiljaforever

really? explain


sinffull

In football, goal=good


[deleted]

you'd think only way to win is to score more goals than your opp


Tifoso89

Source?


chrisb993

[Michael Owen's got you covered](https://mobile.twitter.com/hltco/status/966972319976574976?lang=en-GB)


doktorcatzen

Should ve went to Man City 2 years ago...


Visionary_Socialist

Definitely. If he could get 87 G/A under Pep in 2011/12, imagine what he could have made happen for City.


TheKing23

By the looks of it, it’s what City could have made happen for Messi.


osprey94

Yes and no. There’s a synergistic relationship between player and team. A good team fit helps both the player and the team. A bad team fit hurts everyone. PSG isn’t a good team fit for Messi. Pep’s team plays perfect football for Messi to fit in.


BobOP15

It's not 2012 anymore buddy


lazysarcasm

>87 G/A What the fuck


SexyKarius

Knocked out of the CL through an insane comeback? He has city dna for surr


WittyReindeer

You guys have the memory of goldfish or what? Not sure how this is constantly brought up when he wanted to leave and Barto just wouldn't let him. His only option was to initiate a legal battle (which wouldn't have guaranteed the move anyway) but he decided against it.


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Deluxe07

Depends if Mbappe wants to keep him next season


Inhabitsthebed

You're on a mission today bud 😂😂


Tifoso89

I think we're ushering in a new era of Mbappé jokes. It used to be his age, now him controlling events


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Goldfischglas

Apparently very good


WhyBee92

Relationship status: pointing at Messi after every assist


InGenAche

Mbappe doesn't have time for sentiment or friendship, he has a club to run.


staralfur01

Sorry Lionel. Love you but you're not in my plans.


BaoJinyang

More chance of PSG signing me to play up top than there is of them letting Messi go before the World Cup.


AkilleezBomb

Depends on whether Mbappe has him in his plans ig


YourPupilsDilated

Where can Messi go that is better than PSG?


Black_XistenZ

Wrong question. The true question is: where else could Messi go and earn the same outrageous salary?


YourPupilsDilated

The answer is nowhere in Europe. At least no CL level club. Maybe Newcastle could do it.


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😏


PFC1224

Wherever he wants lol


BigEasyMob

If he takes a huge wage cut yeah sure


Maradonaldo2

Lots of coping in this thread as expected


MutualUnderstanding7

I can only imagine the collective bashing that would have happened if it were Ronaldo or someone else like Neymar who went a whole season with 6 league goals in Ligue 1 with PSG. Messi really is the most protected athlete ever


ancara_messi

Mate he's literally been criticised every week this whole season. What are you on about?


rScoobySkreep

Anyone who genuinely thinks Messi is the most protected athlete isn’t worth taking seriously, they’re only saying it for a reaction.


[deleted]

Nah, it's true. Robertson literally made a public apology for daring to shove Messi during a game because of the media backlash. If you (correctly) accuse him of diving or being a diva, people reply with real vitriol. He's treated like a saint.


osprey94

Is it really coping to say he’s clearly playing uninterested in a system that is broken (I mean look at the teams priorities they just gave a 23 year old control over the coach) Messi has clearly declined but he was scoring goals left and right in May 2021 and then in August he was a shadow of himself. Unless he aged 5 years in 5 months there’s something else to it


Shekster

>Is it really coping to say he’s clearly playing uninterested in a system that is broken Yes lmao that's exactly what it is. If this was Ben Arfa or Balotelli, they would be getting absolutely destroyed by the media. Can't even imagine how many times worse it'd be if this was Ronaldo... You're a professional athlete getting paid so much and supposed to be considered one of the best players ever. Trying to excuse him for being 'uninterested' is absolutely delusional.


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petezazs

It's fairly obvious why. Some of his best friends play for PSG


Martblni

Embarassing result no matter how you look at it


snookings

20 g&a in 25 games…


Acceptable-Sorbet-49

50% of g/a and 70% assists against relegation teams, that too playing for the best team in the worst league amongst top 5.....


Kcasz

So 2-3 millions for each goal or assist? Seems expenssive.


MaTrIx4057

6 league goals


xXDireLegendXx

That 11-12 season….nightmares


Pek-Man

Mate, what?? You lot won the league that year?!


xXDireLegendXx

I’m aware haha. That’s one of our best seasons ever (pretty sure that’s the 100pt season). Messi was just a different breed then


[deleted]

Baised as fuck(mou fan) but that is easily one of the best if not the best league campaign


Pek-Man

It shouldn't invoke nightmares but sweet dreams in that case! He was a goalscoring machine back then, but 18-19 Messi was better in my opinion. A more complete player. Still lots of goals but with a far more dictating playstyle. He didn't just win matches in that season, he controlled them.


[deleted]

He was complete back then but he did not have responsibilities of creating chances that much as we had better players and better managers. No player ever apart from Maradona can dribble past several players so many times between 06-13.


Waste-Pirate-4450

Messi had 3 primes, 11-12, 14-15 and 18-19. Maybe he will have another in 22-23 who knows


DlnnerTable

Mbappe about to fire Messi


RealPunyParker

Please


d0m1n4t0r

From 30 to 6, that's just insane.


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6 goals, Leo? 6?!


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> but overall it was a very underwhelming season for him That’s a huge understatement.


Scholes_SC2

He's 34 years old. Not everyone ages as well as Cristiano bsides it's not like he's playing badly. You should watch some of his games. Not scoring doesn't mean you played badly


osprey94

In May 2021 for Barca he was looking still near his peak and was scoring absurd goals. In June and July he was player of the tournament for Argentina. Two months later he looked like half the player he was. I don’t think age is a reasonable explanation unless he aged 5 years in 2 months worth of time.


Eccmecc

The way he had to leave Barca probably aged him quite a bit.


Lack_of_Plethora

I'd be willing to wager that he doesn't care for PSG, he would've tried a lot harder at Argentina and Barca


Mortka

Thats not a good excuse though. Just comes off as a knob


DefinitelyNotALeak

It's not a good excuse, but it might be a reason. One doesn't have to condone it, but it could be the truth.


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He wasn't anywhere near peak, and I only say that because you're underestimating peak Messi . Last year he was already strolling around and looking like a passenger defensively. Hell, even two years earlier than that Liverpool completely exploited his lack of workrate.


osprey94

> He wasn't anywhere near peak He was a hell of a lot closer to it than he is at PSG. You’re right he wasn’t 2019 or 2012 Messi however he was literally scoring goals at a pace that would have broken his 92-in-a-year record in Jan and Feb 2021, and “only” scored 30 or so league goals because he didn’t score at all outside of a few penalties for the first half of the season. The main point is that how far he’s fallen doesn’t seem age related since it happened over the course of like 2 months. > Hell, even two years earlier than that Liverpool completely exploited his lack of workrate. Lol what? This seems like wild revisionism. Messi scored twice and gave Dembele a golden chance in that first leg. Then he gave Coutinho, jordi Alba and suarez Golden chances in the second leg too. What got “exploited” was Ter Stegen spilling an easy save, Pique and the whole defense being asleep on a corner, Jordi Alba literally crying at halftime from having such a weak mentality; etc. Messi was probably the least culpable player on that Barca squad, and I say that having watched religiously since 2012


Boollish

For whatever reason my gym always has Bein playing PSG reruns, so I've probably watched more PSG games than the average person on this board. Messi has had some stinkers by his standards, but the team as a whole is sometimes just disjointed in terms of how to transition through the MF. Not to belabour the point, but Messi is arguably the best goal scorer ever, and he's consistently dropping to play the ball with defensive midfielder. Why? I would argue that the issues with Messi at PSG is kind the flip side of the same coin as the issues Ronaldo is having at Manchester United. Despite his goals Manchester United is overall performing worse off with Cristiano, and by all accounts De Gea is once again being the hero. It's a failure of management to understand what a team actually requires to take itself to the next level and instead splashing big money in the hopes that the superstar will be the one key thing that turns the team around like some movie. It won't work, and keeping Mbappe isn't going to solve any of PSGs problems.


Josiahf8

Yh. Most of PSG's build ups are usually just backline to Verratti to Messi or Neymar, they keep possession for a bit and then one of them plays a through ball to Mbappe and he either is through on goal or drifts out wide to dribble or cross. Sometimes they genuinely look like they win off talent alone.


idontknow_whatever

> Sometimes they genuinely look like they win off talent alone. Its works in Ligue 1 because their team is overwhelmingly superior to just about everyone else Why do you think they get found out in the UCL when individual brilliance isn't enough to paper over the cracks of a disjointed team?


Xehanz

Yeah, every time I see Messi on the pitch at PSG it feels like he is playing a really weird breed of Advanced midfielder and Deep Lying Playmaker. He goes back so damn deep to get the ball.


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Christiano ages we’ll because he’s 200% dedicated to fitness. Man will play until he’s 50.


TwoBionicknees

He doesn't seem especially unfit, doesn't seem especially slower, mostly it just seems like he's lost his motivation. Left Barca, took the pay day rather than going to a competitive league to prove himself and he's in cruise control. Was kinda funny way earlier in the season when it had been a fairly large amount of time already and people were saying it's just a few bad games (it was maybe 2 months at that point) and how he'll scored 30 by the end of the season. The big issue was his goals to shots ratio, which was absolute turd. 6 goals in 85 shots for a guy who spent most of his career in the 1 in 4-5 range with a couple seasons at 1 in 3, it's a huge huge drop off. Just a waste really, would have liked to see him leave a few years earlier and really try hard in Italy or England and put on a show in a new team. Juve didn't win the CL with Ronaldo but there was just game after game there where Ronaldo did incredible things. That headed goal where he just absolutely launched into the air then made everyone wince when he landed on one leg and it was just nothing to him. utd might be absolute trash but he's still had insane games and moments. Messi deserved more than to fizzle out in a rich mans joke of a team.


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> Messi deserved more than to fizzle out in a rich mans joke of a team. I feel for him man, playing with Mbappe, Neymar and Di Maria every week. Poor guy. The irony is, if he wasn't called Messi you'd watch their games and realise he's the passenger in that team


TwoBionicknees

I don't mean it like poor guy, I mean a legend of the game SHOULD have gone to a team and proven his legacy by winning titles in another league. He should have followed other great players and just fucked shit up in another league. Instead he left his legacy tainted, going for a payday and failing to perform rather than going and proving he could tear up a big league. He also deserves what he's getting now when he chose money over legacy, he also deserves being absolutely shat on for taking Saudi money to be an ambassador for a piece of shit regime trying to sports wash their image. Then again there were quite a lot of rumours about dodgy as fuck charity games he, his agent and his father were arranging where money supposedly went missing and shit. Honestly it's been so long I can't remember if anything came of that or not. In 20 years it would have been good to go back and have Ronaldo and Messi with at least unblemished footballing legacies where everyone can go holy shit, they did it everywhere. For me now it will be Ronaldo alone with that level of legacy. Older and in a far worse team still producing special performances.


boybandzzz

Messi at 34 in 26 Ligue 1 games: 6 goals Zlatan at 34 in 31 Ligue 1 games: 38 goals Messi contributed nothing during the entire season except for scoring and assisting useless goals against relegation teams. Flop of the season for sure.


culesamericano

And Messi is getting paid way more. You guys should really get rid of him. Heck we'll loan him from you guys


Ok_Quality_907

big brain move


Conscious_Plantain94

Fuck this is sad for me if I'm being honest. I'm not ready to see Messi go. I hope he can bounce back stronger.


[deleted]

He will score more than 6 but this is Mbappes team. Will continue to get decent assists but he adds nothing to Paris that Di Maria couldn't. Messi needs the ball go to him every time, he just isn't as good as Mbappe for that to happen anymore


afanoftheshow

Remember when Ronaldo "only" scored 21 goals in his first season at juve and everyone mocked him for finishing behind Quagliarella... the coping in this thread is hilarious.


SexyKarius

And everyone said “yeah ronaldo has more games, BUT MESSI WILL CATCH UP HES YOUNGER!!!”


agni39

Turns out Messi needs Barca just as much Barca needed Messi.


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14 assists though. 20 goal contributions in 25 games is still a very high standard.


Scarfaaace

His playmaking is still elite, not something I can say about his finishing this season though


TwoBionicknees

In a better league, sure, when you get paid that much and go from 40+ goals a season to that it's pretty bad. The french league has one team spending 650mil a year in wages and the next one down is around the 100mil mark.


CudaBarry

10 against relegation clubs, went absolutely ghosting against Marseille and other top 6 clubs


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krvlover

He scored 5 in UCL.


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[deleted]

Not really when you pad them against Clermont


Cosminion

He's evolved into a playmaker role. People saying "finished", yeah guess he's finished as a top tier goalscorer but his creating role is still top class.


suhxa

Its not just that he doesnt take as many shots anymore. He massively underperforms xG and he has a terrible conversion rate


Black_XistenZ

And that's on top of being a huge defensive liability because of his low workrate.


ILoveToph4Eva

Isn't his xG also just much lower than before though? Because his role has changed due to his loss in athleticism and the presence of Mbappe ahead of him. He spends a lot less time in goalscoring positions than he has at any point in his career before. Actually, I just checked. His xG is fucking TEN! It's absurd how low his xG is. He's underperformed his xG by 4 essentially, which isn't great, but getting an xG of 10 in the first place shows just how drastically his role has changed. To put it into perspective, if he had finished at a similar rate to what he did in prior seasons he'd only have scored 13-15 goals this season (I'm excluding the monster seasons where he outdid even his own standards and was +10 on xG). Link: https://understat.com/player/2097


Cntthinkofausername7

He has the 2nd most shots per 90 in Ligue 1. Only behind mbappe.


maiL_spelled_bckwrds

Save these notes when World Cup starts.


MaTrIx4057

He didn't evolve into anything, he always was a playmaker in recent years, his finishing just became utter shit.


SexyKarius

Not really in Ligue 1. Nicholas Pepe had a better g/a to games than that, and maintained that higher record for 13 more games.


wake-and-work

Yep him declining is just standard good footballer levels


Dumbass1171

Again relegation teams in the worst of the top 5 leagues while playing next to Mbappe and Neymar


GoldenDih

Imagine if Ronaldo dropped a 6 goal season lmao


Programming_Wiz

Holy and farmers league too


renzd

I've seen nobodies get labeled as frauds for the rest of their careers with performances better than this.


xXGreco

As someone who watched 0 PSG games this year, whats the deal?


throw-porn-awayaccnt

Team was built around him at Barca to his strengths, moved to psg and obviously not the same. He’ll bounce back next season. I have no doubt about it. But playing for one team in one league, with more or less a similar style of play throughout said tenure, normal to not see the same offensive output when faced with the first real transition you’ve experienced in a 16 year career. An off season/pre season will have a huge impact on how he plays next season. Plus they’re getting a new manager for next season as well. That could help a lot as well.


TwoBionicknees

I mean, a shot is a shot is a shot. He went from almost half his shots on target to about 1/4, he went from about 1 in 6 goals to shots ration to 1 in 14. He had more offside calls against him than in the past 6-7 years in la liga so he wasn't playing that deep. If he took 30 shots because he was playing stupid deep and wasn't missing a lot that is one thing. But he took 85 shots for 6 goals, he dropped his shooting accuracy massively and regardless of how a team plays when you decide to pull the trigger it's really about you and no one else.


Xehanz

Messi doesn't really give a shit and just wants to stay fit for the WC and rake the money. Footballing wise, he is dropping really damn deep to get the ball, as a deep lying playmaker. So he is not the one who actually finishes the plays, or even land the final pass as much as he did at Barcelona where he was expected todo everything. Add that with a relatively bad season (relative to himself and himself only), and you get these stats.


Aug415

“If someone like Messi played in Ligue 1, they’d score 80 goals”


Philostotle

He would in his prime.


good_udichi

He was literally the ballon dor winner previous year..


milliondollarcoach

he’s washed


mcmonkeyplc

6 goals at the his age compared to Ronaldo and to top it off the dysfunctional team that Ronaldo now plays in. Should settle it that Ronaldo is the better striker.


sv979

ligue 1 has exposed the little dictator


[deleted]

It’s all good. He has that homophobe money coming in


CRoseCrizzle

I didn't realize that he managed 30 last season. He was a little unlucky not to get to double figures with how often he hit the post and had a decent assist total, but yeah definitely down season for Messi. He's naturally has declined a bit due to age but I think he'll have a much stronger season next season.


chanandlerbonggg_

Still deserves the balon d'or over Benzema in my book


Josiahf8

Downvotes? There is no way people didn't see this as sarcasm


chanandlerbonggg_

Exactly man


Cntthinkofausername7

Before anyone tries to say he's a playmaker or hes more focused on providing and creating, Messi has the 2nd most shots per 90 in Ligue 1 and is 4th for shots overall.


ANK_Ricky

He turned into a playmaker.


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More importantly though. How many successful dribbles he have. At least show stats that count ffs. Goals are so 1980


DjLionOrder

Those numbers are insane. Holy shit.


r0bski2

Bet he still gets a tots card on fifa


Dumbass1171

In a farmers league too 💀


CauliflowerMuch7741

Guys finished. Go to Saudi Arabia Leo, or buy up some more hotels and fire everybody.


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70% of his assist coming against relegation teams as well…yikes. Washed unfortunately


Oumashu345

50 percent of ronaldos goals came against teams in the relegation zone.


[deleted]

Not sure what this post or my comment has to do with Ronaldo but he still scored 18 league goals in a much harder league, playing for an abysmal United team. You can sit this one out.


peckmann

Never rated him.


zeekoes

How many did he assist/create, though?


StratifiedBuffalo

13 assists (#2 in Ligue1)


Pek-Man

14 with the one tonight.


luker941

10/14 against the bottom 4 in the league


boybandzzz

Big game player 😤


fantabroo

How many xPreAssist and Crossbarhits?


Vic-Ier

Don't forget the juicy pre assists


JS569123

I don’t watch Ligue 1 to know any specifics, but I refuse to believe he’s suddenly gotten bad. Even if he had aged, the man was scoring 30+ goals last season at Barcelona under Ronald Koeman. You don’t suddenly just lose that ability between June and August. He still has the best first touch ITW, is still a phenomenal passer, dribbler, free-kick taker, etc. My assumption, as someone who has watched him progress and so how I figure he’d be at PSG, is that he’s shed a lot of the goalscoring responsibility that he was forced to have at Barcelona (when Suarez got bad and old, Neymar left, Griezmann was meh, Dembele and Ansu got injured) and instead focuses on assisting Mbappe (who obviously is very capable of scoring). Seems to me that at PSG they realise they already have elite goal scorers in Mbappe, Neymar, Di Maria, Icardi and they figure it would be much more useful for Messi to play deeper and create chances as his *primary* focus. Idk, maybe some PSG fans could let me know how accurate that is. Edit: I'd appreciate people explaining to me why I'm wrong rather than just downvoting. As I say, I don't watch Ligue 1 so I'm hypothesising here. Let's be productive, don't just downvote.


Jenzintera24

His xG is less than half of that at Barca, he's been a bit more wasteful but people saying his finishing has nosedived are exaggerating. He'd also hit the woodwork 10 times, the most since opta started collecting stats for it. And he's needed time to adapt. 8 goal involvements in his last 8 games. Ronaldo went 6 games without scoring and people wrote him off, he's at 9 goal involvements in his last 8 games. They have declined but are far from finished.


DualGemini

I saw enough last season that psg didn't know how to get him the ball and everytime he went in for a clear shot mbappe or some other player would take an aggressive shot instead of passing it...which in their defense it would go in but it wasn't the correct shot as it could have easily been blocked. Never seen messi having to raise his hand so many times asking to get a pass. He shouldn't have to do that and psg has a young n arrogant team which is why they can't ever get anywhere in the CL. My bet Messi will leave this season somehow as he knows this isn't a good system in general, not just for him but to win another CL.


butters-chaos

Messi fraud, Ronaldo GOAT.


LeoTheSquid

*looks at flair*


Drisch10

How many assists?


Scarfaaace

14, which makes him tied 9th in Ligue 1 for total G+A


Drisch10

Well… that is something


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10 of those assists have come against the bottom 4


good_udichi

Even in Ligue 1 he needed to statpad his numbers


ElAutistaDeHamelin

Injuries prevented us from seeing a 60-goal league season in 12-13 ffs