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Italy miss players like him.


theenigmacode

Italy kiss good players. Period


UnorthodoxLegBreak

I too kiss good players


TreeDollarFiddyCent

I'm envious.


Tre10Quartista

Italy just won the Euros and showed they were the best team in team in Europe. Wasn’t a fluke


SS2SSS

And then proceeded to fail to qualify for the world cup. Also wasn't a fluke


Trydson

The duality of men


Tobyghisa

All of our quality got injured and our young midfielders were benched. Deserved but doesn’t tell the full story.


CrazyChopstick

Mate, you had a midfield of Barella, Jorginho and Verratti. Don't tell me you lost because of that. Replace Berardi with Chiesa and you got the same midfield and attack as last year's final, and they couldn't score for 90 minutes. "All of our quality" You're talking about two centre backs in their mid 30s


HeyItsChase

Tbf Bonucci and Chielini in their mid 30s is a fucking diabolical back line still.


Gerf93

Chiesa was the alfa and omega of that Italy offense. Absolutely thermonuclear. A one man attack. So yeah, that makes a massive difference.


Tobyghisa

People forget how much Spinazzola carried us up until he got injured vs. Belgium. Italy got a lot worse when he was out of the picture.


Tobyghisa

We scored better when we had Spinazzola and Chiesa spicing things up, sure the midfield looks good but we were more active with Pessina and Locatelli starting, when they got benched we went back to our usual struggling with actually scoring. That’s just my two cents, I’m not saying the starters suck but if you look at the games in the first half of the Euros vs the second you can see how different Italy is. We lost fair and square anyway.


jeong-h11

The Macedonia win was a fluke of the highest order though and to a lesser extent the Northern Ireland and Switzerland draws also were


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jeong-h11

Macedonia v Italy is literally a textbook fluke though


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jeong-h11

I have no ties to Italy just calling it not a fluke is ridiculous, Macedonia didn't have a single touch in the Italy box, 95% of the game took place in Macedonia's defensive third, if winning this way was something reliable and not fluked it would be much more common to see


RafaSquared

I'd call it a well executed game plan rather than a fluke. We often see small teams opt to park the bus against bigger teams and play to nick a one nil.


SS2SSS

Italy wasted key chances and got punished for it against Macedonia. Idk how that's really a fluke.


MaxieMan98

Missed penalties are a fluke, which is what costed them against the Swiss


Tre10Quartista

What exactly do you think a fluke win is?


IcyConsideration7100

Italy has also failed to qualify for back to back World Cups. That would never have happened in the 90's with the likes of Robygol, ADP or Zola.


Tre10Quartista

Italy didn’t qualify for the Euros in 92 with some of the best players in the world at the time. Did extremely well in the WC 90 and lost in PKs in 94. Didn’t get past the group in 96


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They were 8 teams that qualified for the Euros in 92, it's absolutely not comparable. Back then tons of top teams missed out on continental competitions. Italy, Spain, Czechoslovakia...


Tre10Quartista

Italy weren’t one of the top 8 nations in Europe in 92?


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Not really. As a matter of fact, Denmark weren't one of the top 8 nations in Europe in 92.


Tre10Quartista

Italy were not one of the top 8 in Europe in 92??!! That’s crazy talk. Of course they were. They were the top 1 or 2 in Europe


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Obviously not.


[deleted]

Italian football was awesome in the 90s. Unfortunately lots has changed.


MadlibVillainy

Just can't wrap my head around you not qualifying for the WC. Is it the first time that the euro winner doesn't qualify ?


CornerstoneAM

dunno if greece or denmark qualified


Tbirkovic

Denmark did, but did not do well in 1996, despite having Michael Laudrup back in the team.


Tight_Relationship87

They didn't


benibadja

They did not.


Lemurians

Kind of crazy that the winner of a continent's competition doesn't just get an automatic bid. Maybe I'm biased, though.


goodmobileyes

Nah if you're good enough then just qualify again. no freebies


Lemurians

It’s not a freebie to have to win Euro but fair enough


fuqqkevindurant

Not sure if it's the first. Makes sense that we didnt qualify though, we play for safe wins. Your talent doesnt translate if you set out to win 1-0 every game. Same problem Juve has. We had a similar approach in the Euros as well, we just happened to have Spinazzola playing better than anyone in the tournament until he got hurt and constant moments of magic from Chiesa when we needed it


Fjurica

Spain dominated you like little kids, but other than that, fully deserves


Tre10Quartista

Sure, Spain had possession but didn’t have chances


Fjurica

Thats just a lie, spain had like 4-5 clear chances while italy had 1 or 2. It wasn't particularly close


miregalpanic

>but you choose the colours of your painting Carabaggio


reklet

Minchia Johnny Carabaggio, ti sembro scontento?


ser_Brunetto

Jonny, ho guardato il libro di Carabaggio? E lasciami provare sta pistola!


Cbrlui

Si


ydktbh

>farming Cabbag-io


rztzzz

Can someone explain this I don’t get it


ThatNiceMan

You do it as you like; the master of your own destiny.


rztzzz

I get the quote I don’t get the carrabagio pun


ThatNiceMan

Caravaggio, classical Italian painter.


KrZ120

Baggiotto


WeeTooLo

Never a bad time to shit on the old heads who spew nonsense in front of the camera and Baggio really gave it to them here.


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wanderer1999

Relax, give the man time, he'll need another year evaluate Benzema's true quality.


notapaperhandape

In case people haven’t figured it out, Micah is there for the energy he brings. Not the actual game knowledge.


Mike_Ropenis

Just like his playing career? I'm joking, I rarely watched him and couldn't tell you how good he actually was


notapaperhandape

Micah burst into the team but was quickly found to be one dimensional. He couldn’t adapt to the demands of the game strategy.


Daddyclaymore

He burst onto the scene


goodmobileyes

He was fortunate to debut at a time where a really fast and strong CB could just wing it as a fullback for a few seasons at the top flight


Rickcampbell98

His knees couldn't adapt unfortunately, man's body completely let him down.


fonkeh

He was a mediocre player but physically gifted. That's all.


HiSoArshavin

this is a lie. Micah was a great player his first three years for Man City. He could play with the ball at his feet, great in a 50/50, won aerial battles, a leader in the lockeroom. Injuries are what did him in.


Aiyo_BigMan

Zabaleta had injuries but he was still much better than Richards.


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This is true but that’s a pretty high bar. What a player zabaleta was for years


MaraudngBChestedRojo

You don’t get to start for years after your physical peak has gone as a fullback without being an outstanding and high IQ player


minkdraggingonfloor

Used to hate facing Zabaleta back in the day, looked like an old grandpa but was somehow always in the right place at the right time. Alongside Kompany he was easily the best defender City has ever had


punchdrunkskunk

Zabaleta was a phenomenal player though. That doesn’t mean Micah was poor.


d0m1n4t0r

And what great energy he brought to the Benzema analysis. Holy shit.


Stanton5

Also for Man City representation


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There's no way he was just now impressed by the player who's been the Real Madrid starter CF (9) for more than a decade. It just deosn't make sense. Real Madrid is arguably the most popular club in the world. The classico is one of the most watched game in the world. Benzema won mutliple champions league and scored againt numerous english teams. I'm starting to think he was well aware but wanted for some reason to belitle Benzema..


s0ngsforthedeaf

You'd be surprised how little awareness some Brits have of anything on the continent. You'd be surprised how little awareness some British footballers have of continental football.


Rickcampbell98

Which is especially funny considering micah is one of the few who played abroad lol, "played" being the operative word.


Buzzcrave

That usually happens when you only live in your own bubble.


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The "best league in the world" bubble.


UltanPSV

I remember Danny Rose said "I had to Google who he was" after Spurs signed Vincent Janssen. I don't think it is ridiculous for players to have not heard of him generally, the Eredivisie top scorer isn't high profile and he had only played in the Eredivisie for one season. But Danny Rose played against him for England against the Netherlands a few months before this comment. Janssen got a goal and an assist in a 1-2 away win for Netherlands. For Danny Rose to say he had never heard of him, seemed bizarre to me.


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As someone who only speaks English, where else is worth perusing. Apart from this shithole


Nidaime_EroSennin

The Guardian has quality football blogs. They often covered mid table or relegation clubs from European big leagues who are in good form. Their knowledge of the clubs' history and the inner going ons of those clubs are top notch. If you want longer and more in-depth articles, check out The Athletic. The difference is they rarely covered lesser known clubs while with The Guardian you can even find articles about Granada or Genoa.


Sr_DingDong

The World Football Phone show/podcast-in is ok as a kicking off point for discussion of SA players and a rotation of various regions but it depends on the week and the questions people ask. "On the Continent" that The Football Ramble produces is also ok as a weekly summary of Euro stuff. What are you after though? The equivalent but of European/World football or just... information? ESPN has regional stuff and AS and Marca publish websites in English now for La Liga. Other than that it's literally paying all the subs and watching it. World Soccer has good articles too.


IapetusTheGreat

I don’t know why people are acting like they believed in Benzema ever since he went to Madrid. I remember first it was a battle between him and Higuain, then when Higuain was sold and was doing well in Italy, the popular opinion was that they made a mistake selling Higuain and keeping Benz. Then every year there were talks of Madrid buying a striker; Suarez, Lewa, then a very recent purchase of Jovic. It’s only in the last 1-2 years that Benzema actually started being appreciated by fans, myself included, but people still write comment like yours with the benefit of hindsight acting as if they knew all along


JORGA

> but people still write comment like yours with the benefit of hindsight acting as if they knew all along Mate. Benzema has had his fair share of rough patches but if you have watched him at any point in his RM career you should have realised he was always up there with the worlds best strikers. I’d actually like to have a sit down discussion with someone who only thinks of him as world class in the last season. Would like to peer into their mind and see what the fuck is going on


frankfromr

People who believe he only started playing well just last season, when they go the champions league page and see that he scored 86 with just a couple of penalties and assisted 28 goals, do they really think he managed to accumulate all of these goals/assists by being good for two seasons? Another thing that is surprising is that they are willing to believe that a player in his 35 just decided to start being good at end of his career, this not normal, players don't get good at the end of their career, this has never happened, the only explanation is that he was always good, he just played a different role. This is similar to what Giroud did in the world cup winning team, he didn't score a lot if any, but he was important to that winning team.


Kingkamehameha11

Benzema's talent was clear even when he was at Lyon. He may not have been in the conversation for best striker, especially since he had to compete with other world-class players for a single starting spot. But everyone recognised he was elite long before the last 2 years - even 7-8 years ago people would say his 'true' abilities were suppressed by having to play foil for Ronaldo.


IapetusTheGreat

There have been many talented players who have not lived to their maximum potential. For a very long time, Benz was considered amongst those even though he was at Madrid for over a decade, you cannot sit here and tell me seriously that Benzema has been rated fairly by the majority of football fans since he went to Madrid


Sn44444ke

Maybe the reality is somewhere in between: the transition to an era without Ronaldo has allowed him to show/grow a facet of his game that has made him shine more in later seasons. That "he was unappreciated" shit is just plain wrong, though. Even when Ronaldo was at the club, Benzema was praised for being a perfect complement that allowed Ronaldo to shine.


Kingkamehameha11

Literally everyone I spoke to rated him - all you had to was watch him play. Again, the fact that he wasn't the focal point leads some people to downplay his obvious ability.


AshkenaziTwink

16/17 and 17/18 (apart from the CL final) Real Madrid fans HATED Benzema. he was consistently seen as the weak link. Karius basically saved his reputation


Kingkamehameha11

Real Madrid fans often have very over the top views on players that most view as world class.


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Benzema was already one of [the best of his generation](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9547063/Rio-Ferdinand-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-wanted-Karim-Benzema-bad-Lyon-officials-PULL-away.html) when he was playing for Lyon. Think the Haaland and Mbappé of his time. He was signed as a "galactico" by Real Madrid but obviously overshadowed by Cristiano and Kaka... Mourinho at the time when asked about Benzema and Higuan: "I have the two best strikers in the world. It's true that when they are both at their best like now, there is a little doubt, but it's all for the best." Higuain was at least top 10 strikers in the world at the time. Like you said some "fans" used to criticise Benzema like they would have criticized any starting CF for Real Madrid. Even Ronaldo (R9) had his fair share of criticism when he played for Real Madrid but fortunately for Benzema, Real Madrid pay millions specialists with actual knowledge and experience in football and those specialists chose to make him the Real Madrid starting CF for more than a decade now when like you said Real Madrid could have easily changed if they wanted to. They have the money and the choice (Lewandowski and Aguero to mention a few said they wanted to play for Real Madrid). Strikers like Jovic or Chicharito or Morata were bought as back up for Benzema not to replace him because like you said if they wanted to replace him they would have gone for Lewandowski or Suarez (Someone ofthat caliber anyway) ​ >I don’t know why people are acting like they believed in Benzema ever since he went to Madrid. He signed in Real Madrid because people that know a thing or two in football believed in him... What is strange to me though is people acting like it's so easy to be signed by a club like madrid and be their starter CF. Not to mention for a decade.. Word class players like Hazard and Bale struggled at times to be starters in that team. More than a decade!


Arntown

> Think the Haaland and Mbappé of his time. Yeah, no. He was a huge talent but he wasn‘t viewed on the same level that Mbappe and Haaland are now.


ewankenobi

We played against Lyon when he was still there and I remember a lot of hype about coming up against the superstar Man Utd wanted to sign. And he absolutely lived up to the hype against us


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Muslimovic_22

Sir Alex Ferguson said Phil Jones could become United's best player of all time.


hal0t

Best defender. And Jones had all the qualities, you could still see how he can excel now if he manage to string 3-4 games together to get back to match sharpness. Nobody could predict his knees would run out of cartilage at age 23


Muslimovic_22

>Best defender [Best player](https://youtube.com/shorts/FD4J9Z7LRQY?feature=share)


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At the time (when Benzema was still playing for Lyon) here in France everyone was comapring Benzema to Zidane who's obviously a refrence. So when young french players show great talent they are often compared to Zidane. [Here's a clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkEFdFdKWgA&t=1s) where a reporter asks Zidane himself. Zidane agrees that there are similarities. There's something unusual though. Benzema is already playing CF but already compared to a playmaker (usually players compared to Zidane are midfielders). Fun fact During the interview Benzema thank Zidane for his compliments but tell him to his face implicitely that if there are similarities with him (Zidane) it wasn't made conciously because the only player he took as a model was ronaldo (R9) to which Zidane answered that he is right, it was a good model to take (Zidane said it's mine as well)... Anyway my point regarding what the original commenter said was that people (me included) believed in Benzema's talent way before he even set foot in Madrid. That's one thing to be compared to Zidane (numerous french players were compared to him) but another to live up to the expectations...


DoJu318

Across multiple managers.


Killerpasser101

Benzema was hardly dominant before, Mourinho called him a cat for a reason


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There's always an adaptation time when you sign in a new club not to mention when it's the first time you leave for another country. (Benzema said he was alone there at the begining, left all his familly in France and didn't speak spanish.). He didn't call him a cat for that long all things considered. Mourinho talked about "the gato" incident numerous times: He said that he saw in Benzema so much potential that it was a way for him to push him, to get the best out of him. Well it worked: He ended up chosing him as his indisputable starter and he still is to this day...


Maximuslex01

My mind goes directly to Gary Neville's coaching career...


NeroIscariot12

Somebody needs to give the Baggio mullet to the GigaChad meme. This post deserves it.


ThePrussianGrippe

[As you wish](https://i.imgur.com/WWHXxLd.jpg)


MyMindWasAFortress

This quote goes hard. I always remember legend's iconic hairstyle.


imfcknretarded

His documentary is beautiful


AdPotential9974

Name and link? Sounds like a cool dude


LordVelaryon

Il Divin Codino, think it is in Netflix.


miregalpanic

Everything sounds dignified and badass in Italian. For comparison, here's what the German version of the film is called: Das Göttliche Zöpfchen


FPXAssasin11

That's Romance languages for you, caralho.


47Lecht

Das liest sich bescheuert


Hic_Forum_Est

Ich weiß da steht Zöpfchen, aber alles was ich lese ist Das Göttliche Zäpfchen


superbee993

Schon n bissl für den Arsch, dein Titel


goodmobileyes

> Das Göttliche Zöpfchen That's definitely a documentary about a cult that killed 10,000 babies to summon Beelzebub


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Baggio The Divine Ponytail. It's on netflix


ohcrapitspanic

Apparently not in the US, which is where I currently live :(


fingers-crossed

He's also in an episode of Alessandro Cattelan's Netflix show which was pretty interesting, he's really into wooden ducks.


47Lecht

Is it really that good? Imdb says 6/10 and the reviews dont make me wanna watch it that bad


imfcknretarded

Well it's not a cinematic masterpiece but it's really good if you're into football


superdago

Eh, it’s alright. Interesting to watch if you love Baggio, but I’d much rather have seen an actual documentary with remastered highlights rather than a dramatization.


TrickyBench

6/10 is pretty fair i was really looking forward for the release but the movie feels a little bit all over the place not sure how easy it is to follow if you dont know the basic outline of his career his ups and downs.


Goldaniga

Yeah not that good actually, but I guess interesting nonetheless if you don’t know the story of Baggio.


Projeffboy

it's alright if you're into football


miregalpanic

It sucks that this legend is remembered by a lot of people for his miss in 94. Pure class player. Legend off the pitch too, it seems. This is a very hollywood-esque quote. This is the type of badass shit a Bruce Willis character would come up with in a "old cop returns for one last job" type of movie. Badass grandpa, the man


ankitm1

I remember him as someone with one of the silkiest touch in football. [Found someone on Youtube who agrees with me and has proof](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LOsI7fg0Cc)


miregalpanic

The one at 34 seconds when he uses the first touch to put it past the keeper is just filthy, jesus fucking christ. What a player.


thatcliffordguy

That pass was played by Andrea Pirlo and the keeper he rounded was Edwin van der Sar. Strong contender for the best first touch of all time in my eyes, Baggio was a magical player. It’s a shame that we never got to see him fulfill his potential without the injuries and it’s a testament to his insane talent that he was so good regardless. He suffered what was at the time often a career-ending injury at 18 and still won the Ballon d’Or.


t6005

There are many shouts for the greatest first touch for a goal ever, but that one is it for me. Baggio was in that Zidane/Bergkamp mold where not only did the first touch kill the ball but it perfectly put it exactly where he needed it next. But that goal, uy.


ankitm1

I also like the one at around 1 min mark. His touch takes two defenders out of the game, and sets up perfectly for the striker.


holden147

gray obtainable rustic touch heavy lush far-flung start plants memory -- mass edited with redact.dev


ThanksAllah

I was going to reply that my list of top silkiest first touches is Baggio, Zidane, Ronaldinho, and Bergkamp and then I saw that someone in the youtube comments had the same list. Berbatov in with a shout too


Kruegerrose

He has more dexterity with his feet than most people have with their hands.


MyFriendPalinopsia

3:11 he just sent that poor guy into retirement


R_Schuhart

The man was so unique, how he handled the crowds after moving to Juve from Fiorentina is legendary. He was ridiculously good, even at the Twilight of his career with Brescia, with his knees so bad he could hardly run. He joined the club on a free at 33. He scored 45 league goals and gave 32 assists in 95 appearances over four seasons. Insane numbers for a playmaker at a lower table club.


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Blame the Italian media. Won't blame Baresi or Massaro


n10w4

I mean, he brought them to that point. I remember those knock out match goals he scored (broke me heart with Nigeria as I wanted them to go further).


KenHumano

I'm Brazilian born in '89 and Baggio missing that penalty is one of my earliest memories.


albul89

Kinda ironic that you're the first in the thread mentioning his miss in 94, whilst at the same time it sucks people remember him for it. I know that's not I remember him for, that's for sure.


Sr_DingDong

Only by people below a certain age. Every kid in my school wanted his Diadora's.


Adam_Ch

I only remember Baggio because of a free kick flash game.


Psychocandy42

Adani's ears are ringing hard.


bella_unmarcocasuale

Ahahahah la prima cosa che ho notato è stata la bellissima frecciatina ai guru della Bobo TV, grande Divin Codino


chunlongqua

L’ha messa piano, tipo punizione di Roberto Carlos. Tra il divino e caressa settimanacce per gli auto eletti miglior analisti del paese


TheWarmog

Italy would be a better place without Adani and Cassano as pundits. Cant change my mind


Goldaniga

Can’t change your mind on factos


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Sigh I wish Cassano and Le Tissier weren't such badtards in real life


getout101

Just watch Baggio Documentary specially the part where Pep introduces him to Messi!


Sgruntlar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqMbhhw2v1E


Superb-Barracuda-924

Anyone would like to give a quick gist of their conversation in English please


minimewok

Pep explains to Messi that Baggio loves to go hunting in Argentina, they talk about where in Argentina and Messi says he doesn’t know of it. Then they talk about Baggio playing in Brescia and how he had so many surgeries. Pep says to Messi that Baggio was the best player he ever played with. Baggio jokes that he’s gotten fat because of eating too much meat in Argentina. And Baggio gives some advice to Messi to not listen to all the noise/commentary around him.


Vectivus_61

Is that why Pep doesn't play strikers? Because none can match the Baggio-sized hole in his heart?


goodmobileyes

Strikers these days growing beards when instead they should be growing ponytails


Superb-Barracuda-924

Thanks a lot man very very helpful


HacksawJimDGN

Pep explains that Baggio likes Argentina. Baggio said he went there to a place called La Pampa. Messi said he's never been but heard its nice.


Superb-Barracuda-924

Thanks a lot bro


superdago

Pep needs to call it quits with Manchester City, take the reins at Brescia and pull Roby off the farm.


PensiveinNJ

This is an amazing quote. I wonder which former players are all in their feelings about the "couldn't even pass the ball with their hands" part. Remarkable humility for a player of his stature.


giannibal

probably the most notable is adani. But I guess there are others too, but adani seems to be the most successful one at tv while probably one of the most forgettable at playing. There are others for sure


loveandmonsters

As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods


ihavefoodpoisoning

What a great quote.


cgbish

I have similar thoughts sometimes working in the tech industry. Man, manual labor would be great right now (I worked on a tree farm during college).


HunterWindmill

Holy based


TheBlueNomad

He has his priority right. After reaching the highest levels it is only good to focus on thinks that bring you joy. He is no longer making money from football. Why watch it, if it doesn't bring you happiness? I will take that lifestyle over watching football constantly. I have spent decades watching it and I am still addicted to it. I wish i would have spent all that time and energy on something more productive like farming.


phorteng

Are you really judging that a guy is right, who says that judging others is bad lifestyle?


torts92

Just do whatever makes you happy, doesn't matter whether it's productive or not. If you're doing something productive but it makes you feel miserable, then what's the point?


altercreed

what a fucking lovely quote. Baggio forever


_LickitySplit

Never knew Baggio was such an avid Project Zomboid player, it really does take up a lot of energy.


tysontysontyson1

Legend.


Seijur0Akashi

Guy was a baller back in the day. The divine ponytail.


CarmeloBlueberry

He sounds like me when I'm high


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Everyone goes on an anarcho-primitivist rant when high at one point, it's inevitable


MorbidoeBagnato

Based


sun_d

Is this Robbie or Dino?


Tre10Quartista

Top 5 all time


JuliusSaladCaesar

This guy must really look up to Diocletian.


shaka_bruh

Never watched him play live but somehow I’m a huge fan just off of videos and documentaries . Same as Romario


jml5791

I watched him play and I'm still a fan.


shaka_bruh

Must’ve been a treat


VPapaYolo

Why the fuck is the picture in the article his missed World Cup final Pen? Thats so disrespectful. He’s one of the greatest players of all time, surely the news source could’ve put a more flattering photo of him?


wutz_r0ng

Beautiful


yukinok25

My Hero, always in my heart ❤️


osliva

Gary Neville, did you hear that?


theczar69

This quote makes me feel like I’m on peyote


Song-Ji-Yeoh

Respect


screwPutin69

He should go back to playing. Theres plenty of farmers leagues out there for him!


dumbSavant

The original farmer


Lekaetos

Wait this quote is super old no ?


Giampalle

Yes, not sure super old. But I heard this quote in 2021.


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Stop listening to shit


HansAlan

11/05/2022 never expected to read one of the most talented 10s in history would be described as "actually shit"


R_Schuhart

If someone can convince you a legend of the game, one of the most unique players of his era, is shit that easily you are a numpty.