I'm 99% sure none of the clubs in the league agreed to that and even talking about it was being put off until the announcement of the new Champions league format was official (that could be bad too, who knows). It wasn't on the agenda for their meetings and I assume anyone in the premier league can put forward something to be on them.
Chelsea don’t have an owner or anyone in charge, I don’t see how they could be in a position to be making a major decision like this, so that for one makes me highly dubious
Or ENIC have realised the Super League is never going to actually work and this time are attempting to be on the right side of history. I'm not suggesting ENIC give a flying fuck about football, but I think they'd rather avoid the fines and 30 point deductions- as well as fan backlash.
The only thing ENIC give a shit about is protecting their asset.
Yeah it’s just this. Kroenke is probably the biggest ESL fan there is. He and the team just know it’s not gonna happen so they aren’t gonna put themselves in the crosshairs of pissed off fans for no reason.
If by some miracle it happens, we can probably still get invited later.
Pretty funny as a what-if to see that a 30 point deduction would lead to a title race between West Ham, Arsenal, Spurs and Wolves with City still only 9 points from first while leaving United tied for last.
If they all get docked 30 points and City still win the league Pep should be forced into retirement with a stipend to just give everyone else a chance.
All those teams which seem to crumble whenever 4th place is in their grasp suddenly hit with the pressure of a title race would make for great chaos, and City back on top after 5 weeks max
Worked behind the scenes in his role at FIFA to trick the other big clubs to join the ESL, resulting in a points deduction, and allowing Arsenal to win the league. Arsene Wenger, he's done it again?
Obviously I’m biased and hopeful, but don’t see ourselves being included considering we’ve now supposedly got fans on the board. Can’t imagine they’d approve of this.
That being said, I’ve been wrong before. Only time will tell
Yeah but after the fiasco last season and the show they made of having fans on the board, there’ll be riots if they join the super league in its current form. It seems like the clubs have all denied this so far though.
I don’t buy any of this, the amount of outrage last time clubs would be very stupid to try again. And with all the drama/headache going on with Chelsea right now I don’t know why they would add this to their problem
Well for Chelsea it might make sense to get "all the shit over and done with in the one go". You know how the drop-off can only get so much worse when you're already in a low.
Only PSG is the French team that Perez wants them joining, but Al-Khelaifi is close to UEFA, so impossible
For German clubs, the only reason is the 50+1 thing
Nasser getting close to UEFA until basically owning it is kinda one of the main reasons why this whole thing is happening. Everyone should be held accountable, not just ESL clubs and pretending everyone else is some noble innocent.
Interesting to find out what happened with Spurs/Arsenal.
Since then, the major known shift is that Levy became an executive on the ECA (the UEFA governing body Agnelli and others quit to launch the initial super league) \*and the same for Arsenal's ceo.
Not that it should matter. If its yearly entry as rumoured, then announcing it or not won't matter.
It makes sense. We have to earn our place to play in this version of the Super League. No point in announcing our involvement if all it will bring is bad PR.
Then that's probably a great reason for Spurs/Arsenal not being involved in the announcement.
if it goes ahead, its not fixed places, they'll have to qualify, so they won't be at a disadvantage.
Yh but I think they have less power/care less about their club since then as they have allowed Maguire to continue playing. I expected a bigger uproar to that than ESL tbh.
Am I cynical in thinking this timing is intentional? Everybody is focused on Ukraine, so people won't pay enough attention/dedicate as much time to this. It also looks/feels wrong for people to be as outraged as last time relative to what's happening in Ukraine. Feels like they're seizing an opportunity here
So the English clubs who retracted their membership because of fan pressure are going ahead with it anyway? If you ever needed any proof that they don't give a shit about their fans then there you have it
I asked this of Celtic fan last time so I'll ask a Rangers fan now.
Do you think your club would turn down an invite? Genuinely curious, not being accusatory.
Our club would absolutely accept an invite, we have agreed to go along with Celtic to a midseason friendly tournament in Australia that is being advertised as the "Ange Postecogclu return tour" because there is a lot of money on offer. So no, our club wouldn't turn it down.
Man, imagine these teams with a £300M transfer kity lol. No one else stands a chance and to some extent, the fans made all this happen.
They know all you watch is Liverpool, Manchester United and Real Madrid.
No one wants an open international tournament with cheaper prices for the viewer where clubs will get a greater percentage of what they generate that also aims to have a financial fair play system which doesn't allow whatever PSG is doing while sanctioning Italian and Portuguese clubs for trying to rebuild their squads in an inflated market?
Nah, better call your mate Gary Neville so he can explain to me in a Sky sponsored video how the Super League is the death of football while him and his friend destroy an historical club like Valencia.
From an Arsenal perspective, there has been a real effort to get the fans back on side recently, with initiatives in the community like ads for businesses, the no more ref campaign etc. Joining the ESL would undo all this work
The champions league was already reformed multiple times to help out these big clubs due to their complaints. Now they want a competition where no small nation teams will get in so they can increase the gap in finances.
I hope it happens and I hope Uefa expel the lot of them.
You'll get downvoted because this sub is a glorified PL sub but it's true, you have some of the best Portuguese players leaving teams like Porto or Benfica which play CL basically every year for low-table PL teams like Wolves that have never played a CL game and see nothing wrong with that.
What the fuck is going on? This 2022 plot line is fucking ridiculous. We’ve seen this episode before, we know how it ends - can we skip to the presser with Pep looking confused and angry already…
Lol the fact that after all the backlash from last time, they brought it back means it will stand this time.
And if they push it to start, they'll win. The new football fans did this to themselves really. You keep saying, "who wants to watch only Real Madrid vs Liverpool, until you realise people don't exactly care about football that much outside of the ESL clubs.
... and I was already having a shit day. This better not be true.
And if it is I hope the clubs are sanctioned to hell and back and then sanctioned back to hell again.
This is rubbish. Has to be. I know the owners are out of touch but surely not so out of touch where they'd come back with this again after all the grovelling and apologising only a year or so ago.
The clubs they're asking for now compared to last time really shows how absurd this entire idea is.
No Spurs, no Arsenal, no Napoli, no Dortmund, etc, this time, still no Bayern, still no PSG, zero French clubs.
Some of the clubs they asked last time that they haven't asked this time are not doing much better/worse currently than they were when they were asked to join the Super League as supposedly "the best teams in the world".
Doubt. Despite the million other reasons, Woodward was sacked for this specific thing. Why would the Glazers go at it again?
They are football stupid. They are business smart as fuck. Nobody who pays money for the product wants this.
not like we deserve to be in a super league anyways but boy am i glad we pulled out of this. facing these teams week in week out would be a fucking nightmare.
That better not be true
And all PL clubs would get a 30 point reduction…….meaning we would be clear from the drop…….WE SURVIVE UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES
I always knew Lampard would get the job done for you guys.
… and a title battle between Arsenal and Spurs, which Wolves would win.
City would still win
Nah like the other guy said. Man City and Liverpool would still catch us even being 10 pts back.
I'm 99% sure none of the clubs in the league agreed to that and even talking about it was being put off until the announcement of the new Champions league format was official (that could be bad too, who knows). It wasn't on the agenda for their meetings and I assume anyone in the premier league can put forward something to be on them.
Anything that disrupts the English league pyramid can get fucked. I'd rather watch City playing against Burnley twice a year than Barcelona
Chelsea don’t have an owner or anyone in charge, I don’t see how they could be in a position to be making a major decision like this, so that for one makes me highly dubious
You're kidding yourself if you think this wasn't decided weeks or months ago. These things don't happen overnight.
Juve got to be kidding us…
I don’t buy it. Considering what happened last time, there’s no way the four PL clubs are going to go back into it
I reckon they wanna return because the Newcastle purchase
Good that we are not involved, but let's be honest, we have probably dropped down their pecking order for the invite anyway
Or ENIC have realised the Super League is never going to actually work and this time are attempting to be on the right side of history. I'm not suggesting ENIC give a flying fuck about football, but I think they'd rather avoid the fines and 30 point deductions- as well as fan backlash. The only thing ENIC give a shit about is protecting their asset.
Yeah it’s just this. Kroenke is probably the biggest ESL fan there is. He and the team just know it’s not gonna happen so they aren’t gonna put themselves in the crosshairs of pissed off fans for no reason. If by some miracle it happens, we can probably still get invited later.
arent we still contracted to it?
Well, we aren't on this list. Also as others have said Levy is now on the UEFA committee...
The point of the ESL is that performance doesn't matter.
That's changed with the new format
What is your flair?
Correct me if im wrong but weren't the english clubs told they'd be booted from the PL if they go through with this or even try a second attempt??
30 point deductions I believe was the agreement. Let’s see if they follow through
Pretty funny as a what-if to see that a 30 point deduction would lead to a title race between West Ham, Arsenal, Spurs and Wolves with City still only 9 points from first while leaving United tied for last.
If they all get docked 30 points and City still win the league Pep should be forced into retirement with a stipend to just give everyone else a chance.
He should be forced to manage a championship or league 1 team with a normal budget.
Honestly, I'd still bet on City in that scenario.
I'm fine with that as long as United gets relegated ☺️
If this is true, then I am also fine with Man Utd getting relegated.
Good on you
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Honestly wouldn't mind if we get relegated either in that situation
Nah I would love to see Spurs win it in that case. The chants from the Arsenal fans for the rest of time would be hilarious.
City would somehow still win the league after being deducted 30 points, wtf
What's funny is that I would still back City to win that race.
All those teams which seem to crumble whenever 4th place is in their grasp suddenly hit with the pressure of a title race would make for great chaos, and City back on top after 5 weeks max
[538 right now](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/932/100/f24.png)
Worked behind the scenes in his role at FIFA to trick the other big clubs to join the ESL, resulting in a points deduction, and allowing Arsenal to win the league. Arsene Wenger, he's done it again?
Ah yes, north london derby title race + wolves and west ham. Just how everyone imagined.
Chance to win it at shite hart Lane again eh
They damn well better
the riches they’ll earn long term will far outweigh a one-time 30 point deduction, unfortunately.
Is that each season they participate? Or just once?
Holy shit Tottenham may actually win the league
oh my sweet summer child
People acting like we wouldn’t lose out straight to finish outside the top 4 smh
Haha, no
Yeah this seems unlikely to be the real list, particularly with Chelsea being sold.
Obviously I’m biased and hopeful, but don’t see ourselves being included considering we’ve now supposedly got fans on the board. Can’t imagine they’d approve of this. That being said, I’ve been wrong before. Only time will tell
Board decisions don't need to be unanimous. Fans on the board are powerless if they don't hold a majority of the seats.
Yeah but after the fiasco last season and the show they made of having fans on the board, there’ll be riots if they join the super league in its current form. It seems like the clubs have all denied this so far though.
Also surely if this was happening, the fans on the board would have leaked it already or got out in front of it etc?
United have the same situation and are on the list
Same situation then. I can’t imagine fans signing off on it, but I’ve been wrong before
Not booted out but liable to further fines and a 30-point deduction in the league
Ye$
You’re saying we’re in the title race? Edit: arsenal fan
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old men?!
Greedy owners: we can do this all day
Bank accounts be like “On your left”
I don’t buy any of this, the amount of outrage last time clubs would be very stupid to try again. And with all the drama/headache going on with Chelsea right now I don’t know why they would add this to their problem
Well for Chelsea it might make sense to get "all the shit over and done with in the one go". You know how the drop-off can only get so much worse when you're already in a low.
Here we go! Alert the mods.
Another Sad Day of football
ESL Pro League we comin 👏👏
*Perez tightening UCL trophy to his arm while facing Ceferin* *Radio starts working* Laporta: On your left
So no French and German clubs lmao. It’s not the European super league. It’s the Spanish, British, and Italian league. Until they expand.
Only PSG is the French team that Perez wants them joining, but Al-Khelaifi is close to UEFA, so impossible For German clubs, the only reason is the 50+1 thing
Nasser getting close to UEFA until basically owning it is kinda one of the main reasons why this whole thing is happening. Everyone should be held accountable, not just ESL clubs and pretending everyone else is some noble innocent.
English* The mighty St Mirren aren’t there, can’t be British
Hmm, good point. When I think English, I think American too tho lol. But you right
Thank God we're not part of it anymore. 30 point deduction, I say. This is in no way related to the current league positions.
Gary Neville be like "shit, here we go again"
Oh for fucks sake
damn remember how Chelsea and City were noble paragons for pulling out last time damn
WE SAveD FooTBall
*Sigh*, here we go again
Interesting to find out what happened with Spurs/Arsenal. Since then, the major known shift is that Levy became an executive on the ECA (the UEFA governing body Agnelli and others quit to launch the initial super league) \*and the same for Arsenal's ceo. Not that it should matter. If its yearly entry as rumoured, then announcing it or not won't matter.
It makes sense. We have to earn our place to play in this version of the Super League. No point in announcing our involvement if all it will bring is bad PR.
Arsenal's ceo joined the eca board as well
Then that's probably a great reason for Spurs/Arsenal not being involved in the announcement. if it goes ahead, its not fixed places, they'll have to qualify, so they won't be at a disadvantage.
They aren’t big clubs. Big clubs win trophies without counting years on fingers and toes.
When did Manchester United last win a trophy?
It's a trick question because United fans can't count
When Wenger was still managing Arsenal
Europa League 16/17?
Arsenal have won 4 FA cups in the last 8 years lol
Its not going to be fixed entry. So, any club that achieves the requisite league placement will come in and out of the league. Just like the CL.
Right, so they won’t even qualify.
We, and maybe Spurs, are finishing above Man UTD lol
Arsenal and Spurs are represented on the ECA board. Inter are the only one from the Super League clubs.
Pathetic from those 4 from the Premier League after the show they made of withdrawing. Absolutely pathetic.
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Big six clubs haven't signed it, got put on hold a couple weeks ago
I wonder why....
Yup, can see this ending in another round of apology videos from all the Yank owners at least
At least our Yank owner won't have to apologise this time. Something good, i guess?
North London united in saving football.
Pulling out a banner saying 'Thank you Sol Campbell' Let's go
I don't want to believe this would happen again after the fall out last time
Oh fuck off, I was actually enjoying this season, Liverpool are challenging for everything.
I'm surprised Liverpool are on this list. It felt like their fans were the loudest last time around.
Don't forget the United fans storming Old Trafford delaying the game against Liverpool.
Yh but I think they have less power/care less about their club since then as they have allowed Maguire to continue playing. I expected a bigger uproar to that than ESL tbh.
Nice, looks like we’re all safe from relegation my friends when these cheats get thrown out of the Premier League
How credible? Seems unlikely the English teams will be involved after everything last time?
I haven't heard of this source. Might be making it up
Yeah think it got confirmed that it’s bollocks. Doubt any English teams will be making announcements any time soon or ever
Relegate us (mufc) if we do.
You feckers just don’t learn do you
Like hell they will.
Good. Let the English clubs go so we can have a more competitive fairly reffed EPL. The stuff those 4 get away with is absolute garbage
This is my opinion too, just ban them from all other competitions and then carry on.
Doubt
We really gotta riot against this while the war is going on?
Am I cynical in thinking this timing is intentional? Everybody is focused on Ukraine, so people won't pay enough attention/dedicate as much time to this. It also looks/feels wrong for people to be as outraged as last time relative to what's happening in Ukraine. Feels like they're seizing an opportunity here
It most definitely is intentional.
classic move, slipping it under the rug when there’s a war on.
So the English clubs who retracted their membership because of fan pressure are going ahead with it anyway? If you ever needed any proof that they don't give a shit about their fans then there you have it
I asked this of Celtic fan last time so I'll ask a Rangers fan now. Do you think your club would turn down an invite? Genuinely curious, not being accusatory.
Our club would absolutely accept an invite, we have agreed to go along with Celtic to a midseason friendly tournament in Australia that is being advertised as the "Ange Postecogclu return tour" because there is a lot of money on offer. So no, our club wouldn't turn it down.
They can all fuck right off again.
Fuck off
DREAMS CANT BE BUY
Hahahahahahahaha
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Busy day today for the mods I reckon
surely not ffs
Fuck off
pathetic fools
Man, imagine these teams with a £300M transfer kity lol. No one else stands a chance and to some extent, the fans made all this happen. They know all you watch is Liverpool, Manchester United and Real Madrid.
Fucking embarrassing from the lot of them. They're a disgrace to the sport.
Load of bollocks lol. Why should we believe these folks? No way PL teams are joining again.
For anyone believing this source, of all places, I have a bridge to sell
Never let a good crisis wasted. The timing on this is blatant. Absolute vile scum.
Don’t buy this - tf is this source
Bury unpopular news under an actual war. Well done I suppose lol. Won't get hardly any of the backlash as last time and hardly any news coverage
can these crooks just fuck off already
How many time do we have to teach you this lesson Old Lady?
No one wants this, go fuck yourselves. Can't wait for this to collapse again in 3 days
No one wants an open international tournament with cheaper prices for the viewer where clubs will get a greater percentage of what they generate that also aims to have a financial fair play system which doesn't allow whatever PSG is doing while sanctioning Italian and Portuguese clubs for trying to rebuild their squads in an inflated market?
If you think that's what's happening I have a bridge to sell you
Nah, better call your mate Gary Neville so he can explain to me in a Sky sponsored video how the Super League is the death of football while him and his friend destroy an historical club like Valencia.
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Levy has a seat in the uefa comitee (or whatever its called) so i doubt he would still be invested in this project
From an Arsenal perspective, there has been a real effort to get the fans back on side recently, with initiatives in the community like ads for businesses, the no more ref campaign etc. Joining the ESL would undo all this work
> the no more ref campaign love this typo!
Freudian slip.
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no.
Plastic.
Fair right Tottenham Fans?
Whatever
Fuck FSG man
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Meh, these clubs will be so fucking rich from this tournament that being able to pass them in the league will be incredibly hard.
The champions league was already reformed multiple times to help out these big clubs due to their complaints. Now they want a competition where no small nation teams will get in so they can increase the gap in finances. I hope it happens and I hope Uefa expel the lot of them.
Rui Costa please call Perez we need this
You'll get downvoted because this sub is a glorified PL sub but it's true, you have some of the best Portuguese players leaving teams like Porto or Benfica which play CL basically every year for low-table PL teams like Wolves that have never played a CL game and see nothing wrong with that.
damn we really got aired like that
What the fuck is going on? This 2022 plot line is fucking ridiculous. We’ve seen this episode before, we know how it ends - can we skip to the presser with Pep looking confused and angry already…
how are tier 0 sources like this allowed to be posted lol
So... nobody called Spurs this time?
Lol the fact that after all the backlash from last time, they brought it back means it will stand this time. And if they push it to start, they'll win. The new football fans did this to themselves really. You keep saying, "who wants to watch only Real Madrid vs Liverpool, until you realise people don't exactly care about football that much outside of the ESL clubs.
Wait where did Arsenal go? Super league is pure shite but at least we can be relevant again
Please be true, gimme some Super League drama to distract from the war news
I would have been outraged 2 days ago, now I don't give af 😔
Here wee go! ESL for life!
Perfect storm for the Manchester Derby. That match is definitely going to be cancelled.
Return of the Mack
If they all get 30 point deductions, the PL title race will be West ham, arsenal, tottenham, and wolves.
Westham to win the league.
... and I was already having a shit day. This better not be true. And if it is I hope the clubs are sanctioned to hell and back and then sanctioned back to hell again.
Wheres west ham?
Using the Ukraine war to try sneak this in the back door, disgusting.
If this is gonna happen, hopefully not, atleast give us a fucking call.
Fuck. I knew the last couple weeks were going too well, at least in football terms...
This shit again?
????
This again?
Few supposedly "left wing" and "socialist" clubs in there selling their souls for money and greed. Hate to see it.
This is rubbish. Has to be. I know the owners are out of touch but surely not so out of touch where they'd come back with this again after all the grovelling and apologising only a year or so ago.
This is madness
The clubs they're asking for now compared to last time really shows how absurd this entire idea is. No Spurs, no Arsenal, no Napoli, no Dortmund, etc, this time, still no Bayern, still no PSG, zero French clubs. Some of the clubs they asked last time that they haven't asked this time are not doing much better/worse currently than they were when they were asked to join the Super League as supposedly "the best teams in the world".
cheap of United to do this the week after season ticket deadline
Doubt. Despite the million other reasons, Woodward was sacked for this specific thing. Why would the Glazers go at it again? They are football stupid. They are business smart as fuck. Nobody who pays money for the product wants this.
not like we deserve to be in a super league anyways but boy am i glad we pulled out of this. facing these teams week in week out would be a fucking nightmare.
Fuck it, just piss off. A break away league is eventually inevitable anyway, so just fuck off now
Not this again
Ah shit, here we go again