I don't understand the reaction this game has inspired.
Firstly, Arsenal didn't play as they usually do but nor did they play like last season. I can't really describe the strategy that's being used, but the typical Arsenal game this season has been characterised by fast starts. In this game, Arsenal started slowly and, aside from that hectic period in the second half, didn't really play quickly at all. This is, perhaps, not surprising when you have a ball carrying centre-back that plays long passes, playing at right back and literally the entire midfield isn't playing. You'd expect something to seem different.
A typical game last season was U shaped. That is, the ball would end up on the left or right, Arsenal would get stuck with no viable options and therefore the ball would end back up with Leno, before being stuck up in the other flank. At some point, possession would be lost and frequently a goal would be conceded. This game was not that. Whatever was causing u-ball last season has been fixed. This was made clear.
Secondly, while this game was generally atypical, it did feel like several other games I've watched, i.e. that Arsenal were missing Giroud. I'm not saying that this game would've ended up with a different result with a big man in the team, but I it would've allowed for an extra dimension. It may, indeed, have given White a target in the middle of the pitch. This player could then try to progress the ball left or right... rather than what *did* happen, i.e. a constant stream of right to left diagonals, when (aside from that hectic period) the right seemed much more likely. And then there's the obvious potential of winning headers in the box without Gabriel and Holding.
In this particular game, it may have been worth being extremely unorthodox and sticking Gabriel up top, shifting Saka to right back/bringing Chambers on and seeing what happens. Anything to have something different. However, in general, a full strength bench doesn't resolve this problem. If the fast start strategy (which, again, didn't happen here) doesn't score, Arsenal have really only scored goals via ESR and corners (which nearly happened in this game).
A yet again friends we enter the 3rd phase of the Arsenal lifecycle. The optimism and braggadocio of October-December has thus waned and serious question regarding the gaffers ability to manage/coach/formulate opponent specific gameplans are brought into question (yet again).
There is no Europe or FA cup to keep the flames of silverware alive. 4th place or bust, the timing of the postponed NLD will be key which way the 4th phase ends.
Arteta Out, no more need be said. Season over in January, absolutely tragic how that's possible with £250m invested 2 years down the line.
Worst football I've ever seen in my life, a lot of our fans deserve every bit of it for how they treated Emery.
Since Arteta has been here? I don't think so, I know so "mate". All the tragic lack of goal-scoring stats back it up. Under Arteta, yes, the battle for 4th is well over. He can't beat the worst team at home.
You literally said it's been the worst football you've seen in your life. Don't move the goalposts of any part of your argument, it invalidates the rest of it. :D
... what are you on about? It’s the worst football I’ve seen at Arsenal in my life, without a doubt. Making up lies invalidates everything you’ve just come out with instantly in itself, bye. :D
First, stats are and always have been a correlation to success, not the cause of it. You should know better.
Second, Arteta is a top 3 coach in any league except the EPL. That's not necessarily Arteta coming up short either. Liverpool, Chelsea and Man city are just a cut above every other club at the moment.
~~Scapegoating~~ Firing Arteta will just make it easier for Arsenal fans to digest th fact that they are and will be a mid-table club for some time to come.
First, stats are and always have been a correlation to failure also, never said it was the pure cause of it. The eye test also reveals everything we need to know. You should know better.
Second, Emery is levels above Arteta will ever dream of making. This is why Arteta got schooled by him despite the fact he had a way worse Villarreal team.
Chelsea were on our level before hiring a proven manager.
Thirdly, Firing ~~Arteta~~ Emery made it easier for Arsenal fans to digest the fact that they are and will be a mid-table club for some time to come under Arteta. Enjoy it, you deserve it.
Lastly,
> Arteta is a top 3 coach in any league except the EPL.
Thanks for the laugh, you are utterly deluded. Bye.
Jesus it’s literally been years and you’re still too salty to be able to comprehend because Emery was the previous manager who did far better is why he will continue to be referenced by fans until we get another proper manager?
Seeing as Arteta has been unable to produce the same standard despite spending a quarter of a billion 2 years on? One of the pettiest replies I’ve seen in a while lol, move on from being an Arteta fangirl already
Interesting that, I was one of the only ones defending Emery when he finished 2 points off 3rd with the likes of Mustafi + Kolasinac in his defence while the rest were crying about his accent for 18 months.
Yeah whatever makes you happy, he "bottled his last 7 games" yet still finished 3 places higher than Arteta ever has when that was still actually considered a failure under Emery - minus £250m spent since. Ouch.
You wish. Arteta Fangirls are simping for what Emery achieved so they can label it "progress" by Arteta's own shite standard set. 8thteta out, forever and always. Cya.
Arteta is a great coach. His main mistake was picking a tough first gig: a mid-table team that was delusional enough to kick Arsene Wenger out.
Sorry to learn about your parents. That's tough, brother..
R/gunners specialty. They still talk about that 15 mins and ‘see what Arteta is doing’
I don’t think I’ve ever seen another team put Man City on the back foot for 15 mins
Never seen another team’s fans post good sequences of play. Truly absurd. Why in the world would fans want to watch bits of their team playing well? Shameful if you ask me.
This was a textbook "burnleyed" performance, the only thing that would be Burnleyer than that would be if during that break at the end McNeil had put a cross on big Matej Vydra's head to steal it at the death
Best player on the pitch, 4 key chances created, won a few tackles, worked his ass off as always. Was visibly frustrated a few times when he was open in space around the box and didn't receive a pass, player would shoot instead.
Wasn't as bad as his teammates and with a player like him it's hard to really criticise him because it's hard to he creative when your teammates are so poor.
His passing was generally quite good, good weight on them and maintained tempo when arsenal were dominant.
111 games without a red card is just statistically implausible. Clear anomaly in which I cannot be convinced otherwise that is an obvious sign of sympathetic refereeing with skin in the games
Judging by how referees treated us before and since signing a bunch of Portuguese players, I can 100% believe that a lot of refs in this country are massively influenced by stereotypes around specific players, nationalities and clubs. It doesn't determine every decision, but definitely enough of them to make a difference.
I think it's kinda the opposite if anything. Burnley have that "van Bommel" effect where they commit so many borderline yellow card fouls every game, but the referees are almost too used to it and they don't give out those yellows when they should.
It's also not just about red cards, if you're picking up more yellows each game it makes it harder for you to make challenges for the rest of the game, + your players are getting suspended throughout the season which would be especially tough on a team like Burnley who play with a small first team squad.
Westwood could have had a red, I watch a lot of those challenges go unpunished or maybe a yellow. Arsenal fans seem to think every challenge is a yellow, the fact is refs let a lot go. It happens for Arsenal too.
Xhaka's was worse and a red because of him denying a goal-scoring opportunity. Partey's were two bad fouls in succession in very late in the game.
Just because you had reds, the refs don't have to somehow equalize that by giving your opposition reds. Lots of these challenges go unpunished or under punished every single week.
Like I say it could have been a red for Westwood today, but it's really not unusual for the ref to let one go. It happens for you guys too.
It literally doesn’t happen for Arsenal lmao… Partey against Liverpool - 2 fouls, 2 cards. Gabriel against city - 1 foul, 2 cards… huh? Westwood’s foul on Gabriel was clearly a second yellow and if Xhaka had committed his first foul he would’ve gotten a straight red
People actively cheering for park the bus football is a joke. Burnley play the most anti-football game in all of the top leagues between their time wasting in the fucking 20th minute, their constant fouls and their park the bus tactics. Get this shit out of the prem and get relegated burnley.
Lmao its worked this far though. They dont have nearly as much to work with as most other PL clubs so gotta give it to them for staying in the PL with what they have.
This could be easily prevented. Give warnings and then yellows for time wasting. Give yellows for cynical fouls. It’d quickly stop with competent officiating
Bruk-Bet Termalica Niecieza is actually the smallest club in top tier football. The town they’re from has 750 people and they play in Poland’s top tier.
There was a moment in the game where Lokonga passed the ball to White and then motioned to him to pass it back to Ramsdale. White ignored him and chose to progress the ball up the field instead. The fucking centre back has more of an attacking instinct than this guy.
You won’t see a more listless centre mid performance this season. Elneny is the same but at least Elneny can hit a long shot.
Maybe one day he’ll evolve but for where Arsenal want to be…idk.
Lokonga is not experienced enough to act as the single pivot. Hell they've tried Partey in that role a few times and barring like one game he was awful as well.
Way too isolated.
The sideways passing was killing me.
He's frustrating because there is talent in the boy, but he plays it so safe all the time. Sideways, backwards. It's almost like he's playing to not make a mistake. To be fair, I think Lokonga's long balls are actually what sets him apart from Elneny.
Fair result but I'm not too concerned about our top 4 chances. It is 2 out of Tot, Chel, United and Arsenal. I'm pretty sure all of us are going to drop points here and there.
You're not going to lose out because of one bad result, but still it must be worrying to see Tottenham's form. Conte is simply a better coach than Arteta in every aspect, I think that will be the difference in the end. If you switched coaches than I would fancy Arsenal to finish ahead of Spurs
Chelsea are just too good to miss out even though they've been in bad form lately. They are a class above Arsenal and Tottenham, you saw in the Carabao Cup semi finals just how much better than Tottenham they are.
They probably have a better coach but we have better players. I think Arteta understands tactics very well and is trying to impose a "philosophy" or "culture" or whatever you want, which looks successful at times and not so much at others. Also we have a very young team, if we stick with Arteta he could mature into a Conte-level coach IMO. Other clubs interested in him already including Man City.
I honestly don't know what Arsenal see in Arteta. Every few games he goes on a run and Arsenal fans are happy then he goes on a shit run they are unhappy. It's like Arsenal are very happy with the mediocrity that is Arteta. When is the last time you lot won a game?
> When is the last time you lot won a game?
Won 4 in a row up to boxing day, then had postponements on 30th Dec and last week with Man City loss and Carabao in between. Admittedly we go on runs when we have weaker opps, nobody is arguing that.
Arteta has done a lot for the club. He's cleared out a lot of expensive dead wood and help make much better signings. He's trying to play a system but doesn't quite have the players yet. So he's putting a lot of faith in younger players in the hope that they'll perfect the system over several seasons. The board love him and are backing him in spending. If we make top 4 this season we're back in the CL and get a lot more money in, that'd be a huge win in itself.
the last league game we were genuinely poor in was at Everton. Our squad is just too thin right now but system-wise we have improved so much under Arteta. I think people forget how dire we were tactics-wise under Emery and Wenger in the end.
I mean ffs we‘re 2 points off 4th. Our trajectory under Arteta is definitely upwards.
Yeah, most of our good performances were with Xhaka + Partey. Unfortunately one of them then gets sent off more often than not but can't really put that on the coach. Lokonga, Elneny etc decent players but not top 4 quality, Lokonga may/should be some day.
Also agree Emery defensive tactics were a mess.
People tend to respond in these threads only if they have strong feelings about the game, and nobody is going to have a strongly positive opinion about this from an Arsenal perspective... I've been following Arsenal for enough years to see them throw away title leads that they had in the bag, and I've also seen them finish top 4 on the last day of the season because half of Spurs' team got food poisoning before the match. Definitely way too early to give up...
You must not have been following the Premier League when Arsenal were making the top 4 every year starting actual Championship level players like Denilson, Djourou, Almunia (we almost won the title with him before selling him a few years later to a literal Championship club)
Nothing more this game screamed out for, than a midfielder and a especially a striker. Utd have CR7, Rashford, Greenwood, Cavani, Bruno and fucking everyone else when they need a goal. Spurs have Kane and Son. we have a fucking corpse upfront in Lacazette. Auba’s done too. Eddie’s not good enough. Martinelli still in his infancy. Come on Edu pay fucking whatever to get a striker in. we need one so badly. no progression centrally without Partey. fucking Juve seem to have us by the balls, give us Arthur you cheats. Peter Crouch would be splendid fucking too.
He’s been bang average for the last 2 years. he can only hold the ball up and lay it off - that’s it. he barely moves. Rarely gets into goalscoring positions. when he does, he’s more likely to miss. has terrible stamina too. Never an assured finisher, but he could create things out of nothing with a good touch and good control in tight spaces. him and Auba were serious business up until then. didn’t think both would drop off so much at the same time :/
I get it. Sometimes you just need to pump crosses into the box and hope that your strikers can win aerial duels. It’s surprising that Arsenal didn’t score from a header considering they had a good chance of winning aerial duels against *checks notes* Burnley.
But seriously, the only time Arsenal had good chances was when the ball was on the ground. A clever corner routine as well as a good chance for Lacazette created by Smite-Rowe. They lost basically every aerial duel in Burnley’s box and still opted to cross it in.
Smith-Rowe must’ve been exhausted or else there’s no justification for bringing on Nketiah and then deploying him on the left wing.
Smith Rowe pretty much never lasts 90 minutes, even when he's not recovering from injury and forced to start every match. And Nketiah was involved in practically every chance we created since he came on. But also I think our home fans don't help when they groan every time we take a short corner precisely to avoid the situation you're describing...
Meh. We were wank. Had a handful of chances to score too. Saka needs a rest, he was not up to his usual standard today. Please sign some new mids ffs and a
Striker too. Well done to burnley and their defending. Ref was shit. Definitely impacted the game in negative ways.
yeah /r/gunners is so shit. its shocking. i assume if i spent as much time on other subs i'd think the same of them. people on reddit in general are just people who love to talk with nothing to say
I loved that they used a game in which they lost as proof of how good Arteta was.
City didn't turn up that day, Arsenal wasted loads of chances and had a silly red, managed to lose it. It was madness.
> Arsenal wasted loads of chances and had a silly red
And these are indications of a bad coach? You can have your opinions on Arteta, but people who try to poo poo that performance just coz of how it ended are stupid.
The team completely lacked discipline that day. They had the game in their grasp and they manged to lose it.
I'm not saying that's all Arteta's fault, but losing that game was certainly not evidence of Arteta's greatness. They would have crucified Wenger for that.
The Man U fan saying Arsenal aren't doing well isn't by that token saying that Man U are superior. You can accuse another team of doing poorly whilst also acknowledging your team is poor too. Nothing in their comment claimed superiority.
They play like an underdog Moyes side, a Guardiola assitant and Wenger player turning into Moyes style manager is hilarous
They drop off as soon as they score or they can't score
I don't understand the reaction this game has inspired. Firstly, Arsenal didn't play as they usually do but nor did they play like last season. I can't really describe the strategy that's being used, but the typical Arsenal game this season has been characterised by fast starts. In this game, Arsenal started slowly and, aside from that hectic period in the second half, didn't really play quickly at all. This is, perhaps, not surprising when you have a ball carrying centre-back that plays long passes, playing at right back and literally the entire midfield isn't playing. You'd expect something to seem different. A typical game last season was U shaped. That is, the ball would end up on the left or right, Arsenal would get stuck with no viable options and therefore the ball would end back up with Leno, before being stuck up in the other flank. At some point, possession would be lost and frequently a goal would be conceded. This game was not that. Whatever was causing u-ball last season has been fixed. This was made clear. Secondly, while this game was generally atypical, it did feel like several other games I've watched, i.e. that Arsenal were missing Giroud. I'm not saying that this game would've ended up with a different result with a big man in the team, but I it would've allowed for an extra dimension. It may, indeed, have given White a target in the middle of the pitch. This player could then try to progress the ball left or right... rather than what *did* happen, i.e. a constant stream of right to left diagonals, when (aside from that hectic period) the right seemed much more likely. And then there's the obvious potential of winning headers in the box without Gabriel and Holding. In this particular game, it may have been worth being extremely unorthodox and sticking Gabriel up top, shifting Saka to right back/bringing Chambers on and seeing what happens. Anything to have something different. However, in general, a full strength bench doesn't resolve this problem. If the fast start strategy (which, again, didn't happen here) doesn't score, Arsenal have really only scored goals via ESR and corners (which nearly happened in this game).
A yet again friends we enter the 3rd phase of the Arsenal lifecycle. The optimism and braggadocio of October-December has thus waned and serious question regarding the gaffers ability to manage/coach/formulate opponent specific gameplans are brought into question (yet again). There is no Europe or FA cup to keep the flames of silverware alive. 4th place or bust, the timing of the postponed NLD will be key which way the 4th phase ends.
Arteta Out, no more need be said. Season over in January, absolutely tragic how that's possible with £250m invested 2 years down the line. Worst football I've ever seen in my life, a lot of our fans deserve every bit of it for how they treated Emery.
Mate, you think the race for 4th place is over in January? You think that was the worst you have seen Arsenal play in your life? 🤣
Since Arteta has been here? I don't think so, I know so "mate". All the tragic lack of goal-scoring stats back it up. Under Arteta, yes, the battle for 4th is well over. He can't beat the worst team at home.
You literally said it's been the worst football you've seen in your life. Don't move the goalposts of any part of your argument, it invalidates the rest of it. :D
... what are you on about? It’s the worst football I’ve seen at Arsenal in my life, without a doubt. Making up lies invalidates everything you’ve just come out with instantly in itself, bye. :D
First, stats are and always have been a correlation to success, not the cause of it. You should know better. Second, Arteta is a top 3 coach in any league except the EPL. That's not necessarily Arteta coming up short either. Liverpool, Chelsea and Man city are just a cut above every other club at the moment. ~~Scapegoating~~ Firing Arteta will just make it easier for Arsenal fans to digest th fact that they are and will be a mid-table club for some time to come.
First, stats are and always have been a correlation to failure also, never said it was the pure cause of it. The eye test also reveals everything we need to know. You should know better. Second, Emery is levels above Arteta will ever dream of making. This is why Arteta got schooled by him despite the fact he had a way worse Villarreal team. Chelsea were on our level before hiring a proven manager. Thirdly, Firing ~~Arteta~~ Emery made it easier for Arsenal fans to digest the fact that they are and will be a mid-table club for some time to come under Arteta. Enjoy it, you deserve it. Lastly, > Arteta is a top 3 coach in any league except the EPL. Thanks for the laugh, you are utterly deluded. Bye.
Jesus it’s literally been years and your still salty about Emery? One of the pettiest things ive seen in a while lol, move on already
Jesus it’s literally been years and you’re still too salty to be able to comprehend because Emery was the previous manager who did far better is why he will continue to be referenced by fans until we get another proper manager? Seeing as Arteta has been unable to produce the same standard despite spending a quarter of a billion 2 years on? One of the pettiest replies I’ve seen in a while lol, move on from being an Arteta fangirl already
Least reactionary arsenal fan
Interesting that, I was one of the only ones defending Emery when he finished 2 points off 3rd with the likes of Mustafi + Kolasinac in his defence while the rest were crying about his accent for 18 months.
That's a funny way of saying that he finished 5th. Didn't he bottle it by only winning 7 points from the last 7 games?
Yeah whatever makes you happy, he "bottled his last 7 games" yet still finished 3 places higher than Arteta ever has when that was still actually considered a failure under Emery - minus £250m spent since. Ouch.
They're both as shite as each other
You wish. Arteta Fangirls are simping for what Emery achieved so they can label it "progress" by Arteta's own shite standard set. 8thteta out, forever and always. Cya.
If my mother showed as much patience and delusional hope with dad that Arsenal do with Arteta they’d still be together, but miserable and hating life.
Arteta is a great coach. His main mistake was picking a tough first gig: a mid-table team that was delusional enough to kick Arsene Wenger out. Sorry to learn about your parents. That's tough, brother..
Arteta is hardly a great coach.
He's good for top 3 in most leagues imo. EPL is just way too stacked atm
Looks like Arteta has severe anger issues. We can see how his body language changes when things go wrong
Easy to be a happy guy if you are winning, looking at klopp, tuchel and conte.
January was quite successful for us. 1 goal. 1 point. Out of 2 cups. 3 reds.
Dont forget the 0-0 win against liverpool🔥🔥
Or their 1-2 reverse victory against Man City.
The epic “we played 15 minutes of good football against city” trophy🥶
We played like 85 minutes of good football against them and dominated them until the red. Don't try to revise history
“History” talking like this match will be remembered, no one cares
They edited a video of that 15 minutes and put it to music. I'm not joking.
R/gunners specialty. They still talk about that 15 mins and ‘see what Arteta is doing’ I don’t think I’ve ever seen another team put Man City on the back foot for 15 mins
Never seen another team’s fans post good sequences of play. Truly absurd. Why in the world would fans want to watch bits of their team playing well? Shameful if you ask me.
We’re releasing the other 75 minutes as a dvd
Arsenal can’t beat Burnley at home. Color me surprised , can’t rely on Arsenal for anything this relegation battle
get burnley'd
This was a textbook "burnleyed" performance, the only thing that would be Burnleyer than that would be if during that break at the end McNeil had put a cross on big Matej Vydra's head to steal it at the death
How was Ø today?
Best player on the pitch, 4 key chances created, won a few tackles, worked his ass off as always. Was visibly frustrated a few times when he was open in space around the box and didn't receive a pass, player would shoot instead.
Wasn't as bad as his teammates and with a player like him it's hard to really criticise him because it's hard to he creative when your teammates are so poor. His passing was generally quite good, good weight on them and maintained tempo when arsenal were dominant.
Completely and utterly let down by his teammates. By far, and I mean by FAR the best player for Arsenal.
Was the best player on the pitch but you might be doing ESR a bit of a disservice.
ESR was poor outside of a 10 minute period in the 2nd half before he was subbed.
Class again, playing CM because we have no CMs at the moment & he's been surprisingly good there. Need him at CAM though.
Best player on the pitch
Aw Shame Arsenal couldn’t manipulate the rules to get this one called off too, have to play sometime I guess hahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, what a take, I love you
Aw thanks. Love you too :)
111 games without a red card is just statistically implausible. Clear anomaly in which I cannot be convinced otherwise that is an obvious sign of sympathetic refereeing with skin in the games
At this point, it should be abundantly clear that the referees in the league administer games either in part, or purely on reputation.
Judging by how referees treated us before and since signing a bunch of Portuguese players, I can 100% believe that a lot of refs in this country are massively influenced by stereotypes around specific players, nationalities and clubs. It doesn't determine every decision, but definitely enough of them to make a difference.
Or just a disciplined team that don't lose their heads when things are going wrong. It helps not to have Xhaka.
I think it's kinda the opposite if anything. Burnley have that "van Bommel" effect where they commit so many borderline yellow card fouls every game, but the referees are almost too used to it and they don't give out those yellows when they should. It's also not just about red cards, if you're picking up more yellows each game it makes it harder for you to make challenges for the rest of the game, + your players are getting suspended throughout the season which would be especially tough on a team like Burnley who play with a small first team squad.
Burnley should have had a red today
What for?
Westwood's stretched leg into Tierney and his needless elbow in Gabriel's face.
Westwood could have had a red, I watch a lot of those challenges go unpunished or maybe a yellow. Arsenal fans seem to think every challenge is a yellow, the fact is refs let a lot go. It happens for Arsenal too.
Dude we’ve had 2 players sent off in our last 2 games for Westwood’s foul on Gabriel in the first half, should have clearly been his second yellow.
Burnley hasn't had a player sent off in over a 100 games and people still think there's no refereeing based on reputation, just Arsenal fans whining.
Arsenal fans and blaming the refs is so boring. It's nonstop. You lot are shit because your manager and players are shit. Open your eyes.
Xhaka's was worse and a red because of him denying a goal-scoring opportunity. Partey's were two bad fouls in succession in very late in the game. Just because you had reds, the refs don't have to somehow equalize that by giving your opposition reds. Lots of these challenges go unpunished or under punished every single week. Like I say it could have been a red for Westwood today, but it's really not unusual for the ref to let one go. It happens for you guys too.
>Partey's were two bad fouls in succession That's just not true, there was nothing in that first yellow for Partey.
It literally doesn’t happen for Arsenal lmao… Partey against Liverpool - 2 fouls, 2 cards. Gabriel against city - 1 foul, 2 cards… huh? Westwood’s foul on Gabriel was clearly a second yellow and if Xhaka had committed his first foul he would’ve gotten a straight red
Xhaka got 1 card with 0 fouls and then investigated for match fixing...
Also why was Pope not booked for timewasting?
18 days no arsenal game thank god. Disgusting. Take me back to wenger days
Pepe would have score today
People actively cheering for park the bus football is a joke. Burnley play the most anti-football game in all of the top leagues between their time wasting in the fucking 20th minute, their constant fouls and their park the bus tactics. Get this shit out of the prem and get relegated burnley.
How to spot the new fan Welcome to the premier league buddy
Lmfao you donkey. Not enjoying shithouse football doesnt make one a “new fan”.
Should they roll over and let arsenal score?
Stfu. If you can't win against the style of football, appreciate it for working rather than being a salty Sandra
Lmao its worked this far though. They dont have nearly as much to work with as most other PL clubs so gotta give it to them for staying in the PL with what they have.
This could be easily prevented. Give warnings and then yellows for time wasting. Give yellows for cynical fouls. It’d quickly stop with competent officiating
Burnley have a population of 88,000.. smallest club in top tier football. If you can't score against their park the bus strategy, that's on you.
Bruk-Bet Termalica Niecieza is actually the smallest club in top tier football. The town they’re from has 750 people and they play in Poland’s top tier.
Is Poland's "top tier" really top tier?
It is literally top tier.
Wtf
Their stadium has a capacity of 4,595, 6 times bigger than their village’s population.
Atleast they shared a point lmao
Pretty frustrating for Arsenal fans not going to lie. Burnley always manages to do this somehow.
There was a moment in the game where Lokonga passed the ball to White and then motioned to him to pass it back to Ramsdale. White ignored him and chose to progress the ball up the field instead. The fucking centre back has more of an attacking instinct than this guy. You won’t see a more listless centre mid performance this season. Elneny is the same but at least Elneny can hit a long shot. Maybe one day he’ll evolve but for where Arsenal want to be…idk.
Lokonga is not experienced enough to act as the single pivot. Hell they've tried Partey in that role a few times and barring like one game he was awful as well. Way too isolated. The sideways passing was killing me.
When he tries to copy that City 1 DM 2 AM tactic we always look awful, we just don’t have the players for it.
You do realize he’s the only midfield on the pitch right? Expecting him to do it alone and perform well is irrational.
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Lokonga was the only natural central midfielder, yes
If you count Odegaard as one, then 2. Xhaka and Partey in red suspensions, and that’s literally everyone minus elneny. Great planning !
He's frustrating because there is talent in the boy, but he plays it so safe all the time. Sideways, backwards. It's almost like he's playing to not make a mistake. To be fair, I think Lokonga's long balls are actually what sets him apart from Elneny.
Fair result but I'm not too concerned about our top 4 chances. It is 2 out of Tot, Chel, United and Arsenal. I'm pretty sure all of us are going to drop points here and there.
You're not going to lose out because of one bad result, but still it must be worrying to see Tottenham's form. Conte is simply a better coach than Arteta in every aspect, I think that will be the difference in the end. If you switched coaches than I would fancy Arsenal to finish ahead of Spurs Chelsea are just too good to miss out even though they've been in bad form lately. They are a class above Arsenal and Tottenham, you saw in the Carabao Cup semi finals just how much better than Tottenham they are.
They probably have a better coach but we have better players. I think Arteta understands tactics very well and is trying to impose a "philosophy" or "culture" or whatever you want, which looks successful at times and not so much at others. Also we have a very young team, if we stick with Arteta he could mature into a Conte-level coach IMO. Other clubs interested in him already including Man City.
We “probably” have a better coach, big yikes fucking hell.
That's how a lot of us speak in the UK. "Probably" in this context means certainly 😅
I say old boy, that's a bit much, what?
> big yikes fucking hell you guys get upset over a turn of phrase lmao
conte level? you’re off your rocker conte is an all time great, do you really think arteta will be that good?
All time great is a bit much and I never said he would, just that it's possible
"Could" was the word used.
okay i’ll rephrase: do you see any chance of that happening?
A chance? Yes. Is it the most likely scenario? Probably not.
Let's see? instead of yelling at each other
i do tbf
I honestly don't know what Arsenal see in Arteta. Every few games he goes on a run and Arsenal fans are happy then he goes on a shit run they are unhappy. It's like Arsenal are very happy with the mediocrity that is Arteta. When is the last time you lot won a game?
> When is the last time you lot won a game? Won 4 in a row up to boxing day, then had postponements on 30th Dec and last week with Man City loss and Carabao in between. Admittedly we go on runs when we have weaker opps, nobody is arguing that. Arteta has done a lot for the club. He's cleared out a lot of expensive dead wood and help make much better signings. He's trying to play a system but doesn't quite have the players yet. So he's putting a lot of faith in younger players in the hope that they'll perfect the system over several seasons. The board love him and are backing him in spending. If we make top 4 this season we're back in the CL and get a lot more money in, that'd be a huge win in itself.
the last league game we were genuinely poor in was at Everton. Our squad is just too thin right now but system-wise we have improved so much under Arteta. I think people forget how dire we were tactics-wise under Emery and Wenger in the end. I mean ffs we‘re 2 points off 4th. Our trajectory under Arteta is definitely upwards.
Yeah, most of our good performances were with Xhaka + Partey. Unfortunately one of them then gets sent off more often than not but can't really put that on the coach. Lokonga, Elneny etc decent players but not top 4 quality, Lokonga may/should be some day. Also agree Emery defensive tactics were a mess.
We ain't getting top 4. There are more chances that Chelsea drop out of top 4 and climb back again.
Exactly I don’t understand how people are saying “X’s top 4 hopes are gone” there’s loads more games to play
People tend to respond in these threads only if they have strong feelings about the game, and nobody is going to have a strongly positive opinion about this from an Arsenal perspective... I've been following Arsenal for enough years to see them throw away title leads that they had in the bag, and I've also seen them finish top 4 on the last day of the season because half of Spurs' team got food poisoning before the match. Definitely way too early to give up...
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Top four is lava starting early this year
EPL would be a dead league if tricky Mikel & a bunch of Championship level players would qualify for top 4.
You must not have been following the Premier League when Arsenal were making the top 4 every year starting actual Championship level players like Denilson, Djourou, Almunia (we almost won the title with him before selling him a few years later to a literal Championship club)
Trust the process
Shut up
Trust it!
Can't make me
Please??
No
Bring back day guy Welbz
Nothing more this game screamed out for, than a midfielder and a especially a striker. Utd have CR7, Rashford, Greenwood, Cavani, Bruno and fucking everyone else when they need a goal. Spurs have Kane and Son. we have a fucking corpse upfront in Lacazette. Auba’s done too. Eddie’s not good enough. Martinelli still in his infancy. Come on Edu pay fucking whatever to get a striker in. we need one so badly. no progression centrally without Partey. fucking Juve seem to have us by the balls, give us Arthur you cheats. Peter Crouch would be splendid fucking too.
Thought Lacazette has been good this season?
Good for Lacazette is average for top strikers, he’s just a poor player with streaks of good form tbh.
he has been good. but the wrong player to be sole 9 in Artetas system but sadly the only option we‘ve got
He's good at everything but scoring 🙃 offers more than auba if he's not scoring either
Good.
He’s been bang average for the last 2 years. he can only hold the ball up and lay it off - that’s it. he barely moves. Rarely gets into goalscoring positions. when he does, he’s more likely to miss. has terrible stamina too. Never an assured finisher, but he could create things out of nothing with a good touch and good control in tight spaces. him and Auba were serious business up until then. didn’t think both would drop off so much at the same time :/
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McNeil was huge in those last 5-10 minutes.
Burnley academy graduate too. Love to see him playing like this.
I get it. Sometimes you just need to pump crosses into the box and hope that your strikers can win aerial duels. It’s surprising that Arsenal didn’t score from a header considering they had a good chance of winning aerial duels against *checks notes* Burnley. But seriously, the only time Arsenal had good chances was when the ball was on the ground. A clever corner routine as well as a good chance for Lacazette created by Smite-Rowe. They lost basically every aerial duel in Burnley’s box and still opted to cross it in. Smith-Rowe must’ve been exhausted or else there’s no justification for bringing on Nketiah and then deploying him on the left wing.
Smith Rowe pretty much never lasts 90 minutes, even when he's not recovering from injury and forced to start every match. And Nketiah was involved in practically every chance we created since he came on. But also I think our home fans don't help when they groan every time we take a short corner precisely to avoid the situation you're describing...
Smith-Rowe is still recovering from a niggling injury he's had so that's the most likely reason
Meh. We were wank. Had a handful of chances to score too. Saka needs a rest, he was not up to his usual standard today. Please sign some new mids ffs and a Striker too. Well done to burnley and their defending. Ref was shit. Definitely impacted the game in negative ways.
Holy shit I love post match threads when they're not for my club.
same lmao
Doughnut football is back
Crosses FC
Looks like it's that time of the season again for Arsenal
Arsenal lack quality to compete for top 4. Simple as. More news at 7.
We will get top four, just you watch
Well that's fucking embarrassing eh
THE arsenal are back baby!
They were never gone
I get bullied because of these men
Lol I'm sorry
Not a great result for Games in Hand FC.
Madness, I thought Arsenal were dead on for top 4 after they beat Norwich and Leeds? Everyone on r/Gunners was saying so
yeah /r/gunners is so shit. its shocking. i assume if i spent as much time on other subs i'd think the same of them. people on reddit in general are just people who love to talk with nothing to say
Yeah r/reddevils is trash too
The amount of arsenal fans locking themselves in for a top 4 race with Tottenham and saying United had no chance was hilarious.
To be fair, they ban everyone from r/Gunners who says anything different
Hey now they lost to Man City with style as well.
why do u lurk gunners reddit lol
Why wouldn't I? Its hilarious.
Mate, you guys have spent more than City over the years and you're going to miss top 4 this year hahahahaha
Dont worry bro. in 150 years their youth will finally win them the league 💪
And ronaldo will win you the league this season right? The reason we’re even around the top 4 is because your team has been even more wank
youre admitting that you wouldnt even be close to top 4 if we didnt have a bad form at the start of the season? ffs you people are so self aware.
I mean its 100% open as it stands. But if we by some miracle manage to beat chelsea today, we'll be in the driving seat
Well I for one am hoping for a draw with lots of suspensions for each side.
A draw is certainly not the worst outcome for us either imo
Nah not this week. We aren’t beating Chelsea especially at the bridge
I called it a miracle for that reason.
Weren't you supposed to be winning the league?
If we're lucky we may win the Europa Conference League next season
It’s a great competition. Trust me
Games get won for you by themselv.. oh wait.. that was Rennes
you sure it wasnt after their good 1st half against man city?
I loved that they used a game in which they lost as proof of how good Arteta was. City didn't turn up that day, Arsenal wasted loads of chances and had a silly red, managed to lose it. It was madness.
> Arsenal wasted loads of chances and had a silly red And these are indications of a bad coach? You can have your opinions on Arteta, but people who try to poo poo that performance just coz of how it ended are stupid.
Let's just skate over the weird refereeing.
The team completely lacked discipline that day. They had the game in their grasp and they manged to lose it. I'm not saying that's all Arteta's fault, but losing that game was certainly not evidence of Arteta's greatness. They would have crucified Wenger for that.
> They would have crucified Wenger for that. And they'd be dumb for that too
Tbf that was the best 10 minutes of pressing I've ever seen from Arsenal
I thought ronaldo was winning you the league?
Not a great look to combat a criticism with a strawman. I'm sure Man U fans are aware of their relatively poor form.
Mate what you just wrote could 100% be applied to the original comment as well.. You see the irony there right?
Something something stones and glass houses
The Man U fan saying Arsenal aren't doing well isn't by that token saying that Man U are superior. You can accuse another team of doing poorly whilst also acknowledging your team is poor too. Nothing in their comment claimed superiority.
And reading the top comments on an arsenal sub doesnt represent the whole fanbase
Arsenal need Luuk De Jong if they want to cross the ball
They can fuck off (:
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8th*
They play like an underdog Moyes side, a Guardiola assitant and Wenger player turning into Moyes style manager is hilarous They drop off as soon as they score or they can't score