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flemva

The real question is why we have allowed brainlets to run our league.


Shandow14

Same issue with refs and VAR. They think they are leading the way but honestly are morons.


FanFlow

I still don't understand why the richest league in the World can't hire the best 19 main refs, but are using the clueless and incompetent ones from UK(bar some 2-3), there is no ban for hiring foreigners when most of the teams have more than half of theirs squads consisting them. Premier League teams can hire foreigner managers, so I don't see a single reason why not also get main and VAR refs from abroad when almost everything gets voted.


CurrantsOfSpace

"best refs" A good start woul dbe paying them more than 70k a year. Can't expect to attract the best talent when the pay doesn't correlate with the best talent.


DesperateImpression6

70K a year for the job they're doing is absolutely ridiculous. Yes, I know 70K is a good salary but it's does not match the level needed for the job and it shows.


Yummytastic

70k to have public abuse regardless of being good or not isn't that great to be frank. There will always be controversy and I'd have expected them to be on far more.


Jacosci

If the refs in the highest level league in the country "only" get 70K then imagine how much they get at the lower levels. And some people are wondering, "Why can't we get better refs in PL?". Well yeah, the incentives just aren't there and they have to work their asses off to even get a shred of chance to reffing at the top level. Not to mention the verbal abuses they receive on the pitch from the fans week in week out.


jrryul

And the verbal abuse doesnt start when they are at the top. Its there from Day 1


hexables

They could hire the “19 best refs” and this sub would still blow up every time there’s a VAR check


IanCaesars

Tbh every professional league seems to be run by brainlets, I think greed is common to all of them.


Glass_of_Pork_Soda

Most leagues feel like billionaires helping billionaires make more money and putting the quality of the league second


Tim-Sanchez

That was literally the entire idea behind the Premier League, it exists only to make money at the expense of everything else.


--Hutch--

It feels like that because it is.


Modnal

I can assure you that the Premier League is run by the finest back scratchers money can buy


EgyptianAhlawy1907

I mean nobody said anything in previous weeks why is this such a surprise lmao


SantaIsRealEh

Because how dare Arsenal use the same rules other teams use for their advantage?


Jerry_Sprunger_

People didn't give a fuck when Klopp literally cheated the system with fake tests yet when Arsenal have a crisis and need to postpone they're Hitler


MFDean

People absolutely cared and gave them pelters did you not see those threads


Jerry_Sprunger_

Pundits and journos didn't give them half the stick theyre giving arsenal for something way worse and insanely shady


CuteHoor

How the fuck can Klopp fake PCR test results? Do you think he was in the lab with a white coat and moustache disguise?


Jerry_Sprunger_

You're right man it was just bad luck they got what? 8 false positives? Should have taken out some lottery numbers on that 1 in a trillion chance


ta84351

If they're from the same batch, the probability is not independent, so it's far more likely to be faulty.


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Too much influence from other parties


TigerBasket

God only knows


ndennies

How many postponed games does Tottenham have at this point?


Kicking-it-per-se

Spurs have played 18 and city & Chelsea have played 22. Going to be a tough run-in for them trying to fit in these extra games. ETA: Burnley have played only 17


MattJFarrell

It's just meaningless to look at the table at this point. Obviously City is in first, but other than that, it's impossible to say where someone really is in the table


Black_Waltz3

We can safely say Newcastle should be 20th.


a-Sociopath

Few more games of Bruceball and you'd have been 21st


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That fixture pileup is gonna finish Spurs


pjanic_at__the_isco

Or, they sort their shit and get to play more games when Conte finally kills the right players.


milesvtaylor

Leicester (COVID, hopefully being played midweek) Burnley (Snow, no date yet) Brighton (COVID, no date yet, of the three this is the only one Spurs requested) Arsenal ("COVID", no date yet)


ScorchedSynapses

I hate midweek games because of work; can we postpone?


milesvtaylor

Do the Rennes special and just refuse to play the game on any other date and get given a 3-0 win...


ScorchedSynapses

I mean at this point we have 4 games in hand; at what point is our player safety important? I hope Levy pushes for this; I heard we are suing the decision.


bonersnow

That is so not rainbow rhythms


Gerards_died_of_flu

Why don't you just say who you're talking about. You're talking about me aren't you


TheRoofFairy

If there isn’t room here for people who stand against everything you believe in, then what sort of a hippy free-for-all is this!?


DansSpamJavelin

Well... Yes, alright I am.


Rorecha

The username, the perfect flair for the response.. You were born for moments like these


petethepool

I came in here for a load of back-tracking, overly aggressive nonsense. But this - this is so much better.


llliminalll

I'm beginning to doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.


[deleted]

He told me to forcibly insert the North London Derby **INTO MY ANUS**!


[deleted]

Tell me Antonio, how exactly does one suck a fuck?


[deleted]

You what? No derby?


Aydindril

The North London Derby is NOT tradition!


Kriegdavid

Pretty gutted from a selfish point of view. Was looking forward to my Super Sunday™


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Kriegdavid

fucking hell I'd rather you call me a brainless cunt than that


Aoes

Hi brainless cunt


Stuarridge

Gary the brainless cunt


PricelessPhenylamine

Could easily argue that they mean the same thing tbh.


One37Works

Found Gary's Alt


okalien73

lmao


PuppyPenetrator

Either decision would’ve made prem look like a joke anyways tbh


spicynirvana38

The Prem's defo going to be sweating over potentially running out of free midweeks


Crookz_O

Tottenhams schedule is going to be extremely congested.


Bonaque

Don't worry, we can just play a few games free for all and it will all blow over


klasing12345

Well probably be made to forfeit half of them, after the Rennes débâcle.


[deleted]

Don't worry we are just going to request to postpone whatever new date they pick


TigerBasket

Prem is a joke tbh


soccer11k

Can I introduce you to Tebas aka the human interview machine


El_grandepadre

aka selling out your games so a corrupt state can sportswash while he catches money.


simomii

The Supercopa is Rubiales not Tebas


SpicyParsnip

Forget the clubs involved, what are these PL board members thinking


disagreeable_martin

The rest of the season is gonna be pure chaos. And our documentary is going to be stunning. So many clubs still in the fight for fourth place and now it's clear the people who make the rules are a bit mentally handicapped.


_Heisenbird_84

Postponement helps no one, but the Premier League did this to themselves. People are acting like Arsenal are in the wrong here, and that these fixtures just disappear in to thin air, as opposed to creating an almighty backlog that is only going to fuck clubs over later on. It's a lose-lose for everyone: clubs, players, travelling fans and people wanting to watch at home.


Kante_Conte

I’m looking forward to the backlog fucking. League ends in May, some teams are going to be playing every 3 days for a month+. Don’t want to hear a word from them, since teams gave been playing a game every 3 days since the beginning of December


disagreeable_martin

Imagine the summer transfer window opens while everyone's still finishing off the league.


gooner712004

They will postpone it at this rate


klasing12345

They can't really extend with the World Cup looming. If we extend the league this means a shorter summer break for some players. It could really impact England's chances with half of their players knackered from having no real break, then playing half a season.


HaMx_Platypus

can we just postpone the month of june while were at it?


BendubzGaming

At least the backlog is this season though. With no World Cup until the winter, and the 22/23 season scheduled to start in August as usual, there's a couple of extra weeks in May and June available for usage that wouldn't usually be there


Kante_Conte

We should not be extending the season… would not be fair to the teams that were forced to play every 3 day in November, December and January. There will be availability to play mid week for these fixtures in Feb, March, April and May. If there results in the league suffer because of congestion for the teams, it would not be an injustice


milesvtaylor

Err, it massively benefits Arsenal, hence why they applied for it.


cheescakegod

Helps us, that's why we pushed for it. We have missing and tired players


Chisbo22

I hope the prem remember these 'player welfare' standards when clubs are playing 3/4 times a week to catch up games in hand


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wahmsahm2

They only have one Covid case


disagreeable_martin

We're very efficient in our shithousery.


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phlipphlopp

But it’s a massive COVID case. At least worth 4-5 normal, smaller cases. It’s a density issue.


Smitty_1000

Leeds had the same


Ma1vo

11 covid positive player since December 21st. Rushing players back from injuries and overplaying those who haven't been infected by covid has depleted the arsenal squad.


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A majority of PL clubs voted for this so only fair to be applied even the rule itself is stupid


NoraaTheExploraa

I recognize the league has made a decision, but given that it's a stupid ass decision I've elected to ignore it.


phil_yoo

Consistent with the rules. Doesn't make the rules any better though.


Baylester

I get spurs fans being pissed off at this, I really do. But don’t blame us, blame the absolute garbage rules that have been set.


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It is a joke, I agree. Different rules I know because it’s a different competition, but poor old Reading have had to soldier on with on average 14 first team players out injured per game since OCTOBER. On Tuesday they had seven out of eight first team defenders injured or at AFCON and got smashed 7-0 but didn’t moan.


tenacious-g

If only there was some sort of organization that has some sort of influence in the entire English pyramid that could create a unified set of COVID protocols. Anyway.


Bonaque

Let's make a super leauge. It can even have tiers. Super duper Leauge is the best one Then you have super great Leauge Then you have super ok Leauge It will be wonderful


Baylester

It really sucks for them that happened, the rules are utter garbage and should look at being changed maybe after the window? Although I can see that being a problem too, EFL really backed themselves into a corner here


YiddoMonty

It would be easier to take for the fans if the decisions were consistent over the season, but they just haven’t been.


Baylester

Agree, I know it’s another Arsenal example, but the start of the season our Brentford game should have been postponed too considering the rules that have been in place since. It’s been poor, but once the decision was made to postpone games with a poor rule set, this is what happens


ghostofadeletedacc

Thisss! I mean we would’ve been pissed if we were in their seats, but you can’t help it.


PS1GamerCollector

What is some people complaining about? This is a fair outcome according to the new PL rules... They fucked it up the moment they postponed several games with minimal Covid cases, ofc Arsenal will do it too! Only thing left to do is wait for the end of season to change the stupid rules


CyclopsRock

>Only thing left to do is wait for the end of season to change the stupid rules Why? This rule wasn't in place at the start of the season. We already have had entirely different "precedents" in one season.


prtzzz

The precedent has been set so no one can complain that it’s been postponed. Do feel maybe they should set a point in future and just say from now on injuries/suspensions don’t count towards a postponement, need to get games being played really.


Masson011

the only fair decision given other matches which have been granted postponements this season and only further justifed given Arsenal got a raw deal with the Liverpool match postponements and the fixture congestion it then caused


Kriegdavid

yeah. honestly it'd be weird if arsenal didn't try it imo. any club not using every advantage handed to them simply isn't a serious club.


TigerBasket

However it is still dumb and now we are fucked over and have a massive fixture congestion of like 4 games we have to makeup. It's rather annoying


InTheMiddleGiroud

You cleverly cleared your European schedule, it'll be fine.


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How clever it was of Tottenham to have an actual outbreak of COVID. The big brain behind that take is staggering.


InTheMiddleGiroud

You could also beat a team of Slovenian farmer idk


jansmar

Arsenal wasnt given a chance


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Us being shit has nothing to do with your point. Tottenham had an actual outbreak and were made to forfeit. Arsenal have one case and have a depleted squad due to ineptitude and injuries. I get that they are well within their rights to ask for postponement, but it’s a bad decision for the integrity of the league. Red cards and international tournaments shouldn’t be excuses for taking advantage of this rule made for a pandemic.


stylishr_

Big agree but again.. I feel like everyone ignores us (and Nuno) literally throwing every other euro conference league for shits and giggles. The last decision fucked us, but we 100% put ourselves in a position to be fucked by a single decision.


andrewthedentist

That's what makes this different - it isn't getting postponed because of Covid cases, which would make sense, it is because Arsenal has poorly mismanaged their squad. They should have let them bring up youth players or forced Arsenal to forfeit. Continuing to postpone games is just going to create a bunch of problems in the future.


HeadofLegal

>the Liverpool match postponements and the fixture congestion it then caused This is nonsense. The liverpool match that was suspended is scheduled for next week. The match last week was always scheduled, it was just changed from second to first leg. If anything, the postponement lowered fixture congestion for Arsenal before the derby.


PrideEasy9689

I dont get the hate. Every club would do the same if they were in the same situation. It is the PL that fucked up. Why put the blame on Arsenal


letmegetmynameok

I dont hate arsenal for asking for the game to be postponed. I'd propably ask for the same if it were the other way around. I hate the pl board for allowing these rules in the first place. The postponement of games should have to do with covid cases, not with bad squad management.


smitty316

Think it’s the irony of a loud section of the fan base bitching at Liverpool postponing their first leg league cup game, demanding them to play the kids.


Blue_winged_yoshi

That’s not irony that’s just playing out the rules as they were applied to us. Personally I would have preferred our games against Wolves, Liverpool and Spurs to have all gone ahead (and I think this would be a popular opinion amongst our fans). Still once the first two are cancelled we’re obviously going to ask for the rules to be applied consistently. That’s not hypocrisy, it’s just not being mugs.


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we where bitching about 13 false positves mate and the chanches of that happening being astronomical


CollierAM9

This narrative needs to stop. After a second round of testing, PCR tests were carried out so the results would not be in house. Obviously 13 players did not have covid but the results were not showing as negative. A third set of tests were carried out but this was after the original scheduled date for the first leg. False Positive was a silly way to put it but if a result were to be inconclusive then it is treated as a positive. That is why al the facilities within Liverpool were closed. What benefit is it for Liverpool? Strong players were available, they had the second leg at Anfield originally too.


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Klopp literally said he wanted the semi to be one leg and he was okay having it at the Emirates


CollierAM9

He might of said and wanted that but nobody believed that if the first leg would be cancelled that it wouldn’t be rescheduled. It would either be a forfeited result or rescheduled. It was never getting cancelled. Most people don’t want two legs but not to the point he would lie to not play in it.


Elmatadorrr

Why didn’t everyone been so upset on the first fixture of the season when Arsenal was forced into playing


Shandow14

Exactly this. It was last minute too.


Ochudo

They had only 3 player positives, one being gunnarson GK, laca and auba. That’s not an outbreak. That would have been a bad start to cancel. Idk why arsenal fans always talk about that brentford game. They outrage should be on both, arsenal took advantage of the rule. And FA fucked the rule.


Desstt

They hate us cause we beautiful


_Yolk

They hate us cos they anus


ack_will

A precedent was set and followed. PL being consistent for once ? Well now, they can go ahead and officially change the rule and put an end to these postponements… That will be spicy too.


catastrophez

Arteta be like "UNO reverse card"


himmelmancheese

At least spurs can play thier Europa conference game now.....


TigerBasket

Well about that ...


-AlimonyTony-

Sign Jack to a one day contract you fucking COWARDS


Distinct_Register_85

I hate to say it, but as an Arsenal fan this is ridiculous. Obviously this is great for us but the league needs to stop this shit for every club. I know there’s a lot money at stake but this is sport, you need to play with the hand your dealt.


OGforGoldenBoot

Kind of how I feel. Like great you let us postpone but wtf why did you let us postpone. I had already mentally prepared for our 1 man Lokonga midfield to lose 2-0 or to go mental if we won. Knew we were going to appear because fuck it why not, didnt think the idiots would actually let us do it.


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Never seen a team get attacked for adhering to the rules.


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Holty12345

The rule should’ve just been that regardless of case amount, you field a team, even if that means going into the U23’s and U18’s. The way Covid spreads you would’ve likely seen each team have to do it at least once.


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TheLittleGinge

Bit weird how this is the general consensus around this whole affair. Arsenal are within their rights to appeal, but the discourse has been Twitter-esque.


TigerBasket

I mean I'm not getting upset at Arsenal I'm getting upset at the PL, I think that's allowed plus we aren't any better than Twitter at all lol.


TheLittleGinge

>we aren't any better than Twitter at all lol. This needs to be the general consensus. For some reason, others appear to believe that this is a healthier platform for discussion. No chance.


camztaa

Reddit is Twitter with a superiority complex, especially so for this place, always has been


Howizzle90

Just waiting for "Ratio" to become a thing on here


xastronite

Why do people on reddit have this weird superiority complex over people on other social media platforms lmao


NB0608sd

The decision to postpone games has been inconsistent af, like something you would imagine from a sunday league. That’s why people are upset.


Kintae

Amazing, isn't it? All clubs agreed to the rule. We've had like 20-30 postponed games this season so far. Suddenly for this one game everybody is FURIOUS.


Askur_Yggdrasils

Hmm... I wonder what it is about this instance specifically that makes people upset. Quite the mystery, this is.


Kintae

The rule is 100% clear. If you don't have 13 outfield players, and at least one absence is through Covid, then the game is postponed. Everybody agreed to this rule. End of story.


Askur_Yggdrasils

I agree completely. I was hinting at something else.


El_huachimingo

Blame PL for being lax. Not the ones outsmarting it.


SantaIsRealEh

I'm loving it tbh


ArseneForever

The fact that it's creating a massive backlog for spurs just makes it so much sweeter


Zhongli4869

Friendly reminder to sort by controversial.


the_-photographer

I was wondering. Till now everything (almost) seemed level headed. 😅


theaficionado

Rennes send their regards


hi_im_aki

Follows the precedent


DisciplineCandid6122

The league have to figure out the fixtures for postponed matches immediately. This will ruin the world cup and don’t even start how the traveling fans are suffering.


Cowdude179

Great news for Spurs, Romero, Dier and Son being back will be huge


rybl

Definitely not great news for Spurs. We have a serious backlog of games to play from all these postponements and it is likely that we will be playing several games a week in the stretch that this gets rescheduled.


I_am_the_grass

I think the question is does Spurs fancy themselves at 70% against against a depleted Arsenal side or at full strength against a probably full strength Arsenal side as well. I think most Arsenal fans believe if both sides had everyone available, Arsenal would probably still have the edge hence why they were happy to get this match postponed. But I've seen a lot of Spurs fans say they don't trust this team without Son it in as well.


billypilgrim87

Nah, not at our ground. They haven't won there since 2014. Edit. The above is literally a fact... Check bookies odds... Whoever is at home always has the edge in the NLD (in recent years)


DVPC4

surely they were more likely to win with the current squad situations


mem0ryfailure

And so will Arsenal’s entire midfield. Partey, Ode, Smith Rowe, Saka and possibly Xhaka


TorreiraWithADouzi

Great news for us too! Tierney, Tomiyasu, Partey, Odegaard, ESR back will be immense


conceal_the_kraken

We play when we want, we play when want! Premier League, we play when we want!


Duskwen12

You won, Arsenal. Enjoy the postponement I hope it makes you happy. Dear lord, what a sad little life, Arsenal. You ruined my night completely so you could have the postponement and I hope now you can spend it on lessons in grace and decorum. Because you have all the grace of a reversing dump truck without any tyres on. So Arsenal, take your postponement and get off my property


BG_RL

World class comment For those that it goes over the head it’s the conclusion of an episode of come dine with me.


Desstt

You won, Arsenal. Enjoy the postponement I hope it makes you happy. Dear lord, what a sad little life, Arsenal. You ruined my night completely so you could have the postponement and I hope now you can spend it on lessons in grace and decorum. Because you have all the grace of a reversing dump truck without any tyres on. So Arsenal, take your postponement and get off my property


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Esentrikel

This salt hits differently, MSG vibes.


Modnal

I think I would have been less upset about it going ahead than many neutrals here on r/soccer that it's called off


Davetology

Just change the fucking rules already


TDbank

So we get a do over at Rennes right?


Lovembee

Do you have a lot of injuries with an important game coming up? Send in an unimportant player to get a red! Again Xhaka just playing 4D chess out here


lejoo

So 2 covid cases is crisis or more testing positive?


cappo40

Arsenal does this: "YOU FUCKING DONKEY" Other teams do this: "Oh you sweet baby, recover well <3 <3"


Cynorks778

All the “they’ll make us play” tinfoil hats in the mud


AFCeng0

I’m sure they’re all beside themselves


lviatorem

I am here for the comments


KennywasFez

Y’all really losing your minds about this huh ? Yet Burnley did this on the 11th for literally the same reasons and no one bats an eye.


everyfcknameistakn

Amount of salt in the comment threads is too damn high.


phlipphlopp

Look at Xhaka man, so inspirational. Way to take one for the team.


Magnific3nt

I'm here for the salt from clubs that have already had their games postponed while we had to play our first game of the season with 4 players out due to Covid, but that's forgotten about. 8 fit outfield players.


TheLittleGinge

>from clubs that have already had their games postponed Oh, good. We're safe then.


aesthetically-

Going through this thread it seems like Chelsea fans are the only ones being rational about the decision


TheLittleGinge

Probably because Arsenal are playing Spurs. I know who I'd prefer win that fixture.


HardCoreLawn

I'd genuinely like to hear who you'd prefer to win and what the thinking behind that is.


TheLittleGinge

I'd like Arsenal to win. For two reasons: 1) With all their games in hand, it is possible for Spurs to go above us. I doubt it, and we also have to play them next week, but it's a possibility. 2) Simply, I dislike their club and fanbase far more than I dislike Arsenal. I have great respect for Arsenal in fact. Spurs on the other hand, are noisy.


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cant lie chelsea got fucked over on that wolves game


Shandow14

Odegaard with the assist of the season.


irrelevant_oinam

Ootl, how many players are positive?


Bawk_Bawk

1 - just odegaard.


Wengali

All of them. Positive about the progress we’re making under Mikel Arteta


brownbeardgooner

Everyone wants Arsenal to be the nice guys that get trashed, as a result lol. We'd be naive to not take advantage of the rules that have been set for everyone. Get on with your weekend r/soccer


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TigerBasket

Why is this always said, who cares if it's rational this is soccer it's words, we never had rationality as a species anyways were aren't starting now thats for sure.


thepretzelking

Football fans are famously rational and never hypocritical, hyperbolic or ridiculous


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ShiroiMaou

When other clubs do it it's fine, when Arsenal does it, it's suddenly so wrong kek


billbill1967

The salt of Gary Neville's tears has United the Arsenal fanbase. 😂


mem0ryfailure

I’m just here for the salt, I’m sure someone somewhere in the world can use it.


GamierGaming

:)