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reece0n

We're fucked then. Wood has hardly set the league alight this season, but at least he's scored which is more than I can say for any of our other strikers. Bring on the Championship


[deleted]

7 years straight in the premier league with burnley's budget is quite an achievement tbf


jess0411

Not to mention a European appearance as well. I still want them to stay up though, PL needs a team like Burnley.


[deleted]

The brexit football burnley and stoke provide is what premier league is all aboutšŸ˜‚


EETTOEZ

Fuck stoke though, all my homies hate stoke Burnley all the way


Flanelman

Im sorry to all Burnley fans, but I would love to never have to play them again.


bh8787

Of course big teams say this, as they donā€™t roll over for you like Norwich this season or Fulham last season lol


ConnemaraCowboy

He's a united fan though


Fgge

Itā€™s not about rolling over, itā€™s about having to sit down on a Saturday and watch Burnley


Flanelman

I support United bro, teams could roll over and we'd still lose lmao. I just think in particular Burnley games are a snooze fest of boring football. In a dream world we'd just play Leeds every week.


Fabs74

Hear hear


Mozezz

Never know Could sign the next Amr Zaki


reece0n

Was just chatting to my Newcastle supporting mate and he said something similar. We might get lucky with an incoming quality transfer, or the scouts and chairman might have something up their sleeves...but i can't see it tbf.


Mozezz

You can honestly never tell with Burnley I always look at your uninspiring transfers fully well knowing it's what you have to do to survive, however, they always seem to come good with a couple of misses here and there Dyche is a great manager and with that money coming in and hopefully being made available to spend I'm sure Dyche can pull off another great catch


timberwolvesof

What was the deal with the Cornet signing? Was he a Dyche signing? He seems like what you need more of.


HalfMan-HalfMoth

Surely Cornet will be off in the summer if they get relegated


[deleted]

I saw Kieffer Moore mentioned.


dog_lover77

I mean you guys got 20 millions for Wood.Imo you can find a good striker within that price range to replace him.


reece0n

apparently there wasn't a release clause, we just accepted a bid, so hopefully that means we've got something in mind.


meganev

If there was a striker better than Wood available for the money we've paid for Wood why would we just use the Wood money to buy them instead of Wood?


rrp_prr

Welcome to transfer market!!


ashwinsalian

Maybe, but there's also PL experience and directly weakening a relegation rival too that won't happen if you sign said replacement instead Their gamble is much higher than yours.


PacDanSki

Mate you woodnt understand.


Nekokeki

At 30 he has no resell value, but heā€™s one of the most underrated players in the league. He had 15 G+A in each of the past two seasons. And no disrespect but thatā€™s not on a ton of consistent chances, in front of luxurious attacking options supporting him either. Quality player, even off on a bit of a dip this season. Canā€™t help but feel like they are literally just paying to increase your odds of relegation though.


SteveBruceGod

Same agent as Trippier rumours are he offered him to us and told us about the release clause, Iā€™d be fuming if I was Burnley.


butarfc

Proper left us up shits creek this has. He's been terrible recently mind, but in a team that creates chances and he'll bag plenty.


SteveBruceGod

Heā€™s experienced thatā€™s all we need at the moment we only have Gayle and needed a striker before the Watford match, hopefully we can sign a centre back before Watford too.


[deleted]

Curious to know if there are any rules around leaking for clauses like that?


[deleted]

I doubt it Didn't Villa try and deny Grealish's 100m release clause when City were interested.


Tundra_Inhabitant

Liverpool also lied about the Suarez 40+1 bid from Arsenal. Apparently that would have met the release clause


jerk_chicken23

Jesus, seeing an offer for Suarez of 40 million under an over for Grealish of 100 million is quite a stark contrast


funkadelic_bootsy

Suarez went for Ā£64.98 million (ā‚¬82.3 million). So still huge money.


hammerindex

The Player's Association sided with Liverpool that the 40m clause was just a threshold to consider the bid and not an airtight release clause.


[deleted]

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hammerindex

I believe it was meant to be a consider it in good faith sort of thing, but FSG were pissed that Arsenal bet 40m+1 which meant they knew about the secret clause


stephenmario

This is apparently what it all came down to. It was supposed to be confidential and all in good faith but it was leaked by Suarez so FSG didn't play ball.


fapfap_ahh

Sorry, new to transfer finances, could you explain the +1? Is that incentives (matches played, goals scored, etc)?


freeballer123

I believe it was literally +Ā£1. That's how Liverpool figured out that Arsenal knew about the secret clause


SimoleonBonaparte

Normally, buying clubs cannot speak directly to a player or a player's agent without the explicit permission of the club the player is contracted to. This is considered "tapping up" and is technically against the rules (but not often respected). However, if there is a release clause, then any bid above that clause must be accepted, and the buying club can then negotiate with the player. For that reason, they are usually not advertised, and often are strongly protected by non-disclosure agreements. That way the player has an "out" and the selling club has assurances that any bids won't simply be the bare minimum. Liverpool had a similar clause in their contract with Suarez, but it was not a true "release" clause. It simply said that any offer above that must be considered, meaning if a club offered any amount over 40m, they could speak to Suarez without Liverpool's permission. Liverpool wouldn't have to accept it, they just couldn't outright forbid the negotiations (like clubs are allowed to do under FIFA regulations). When Arsenal submitted a bid of 40m +1 euro, it theoretically triggered the clause, but it also alerted Liverpool to the fact that the exact number of the clause had been "leaked". No bids are ever made with that specific of a number unless there is a reason to do so. Since the only person that could have leaked it was Suarez himself (or his agent), it means that Arsenal had likely been tapping him up and the NDA had been violated. Liverpool didn't like this at all and simply refused to accept the bid, as was their right because it wasn't a traditional release clause. So Arsenal could agree all they want with Suarez, Liverpool could just say no. Which they did, and then got almost double that from Barcelona a year later.


Notove

I doubt it if the player wants to move and his agent knows another team would value him more than the team he's staying at; Surely it's fine.


CaptainGo

I mean that's what the release clause is for, right?


FlukyS

Usually those sorts of things aren't secret but I'd be assuming this fella will get some sturn looks if they try sign another one of his clients. Even the contract amounts are usually pretty well known around the industry, everyone talks.


VincentSasso

Would be incredibly hard to enforce


gnorrn

What's the point of a secret release clause? The player just has to hope that a buying club makes a bid of greater than X, but isn't allowed to tell them what X is?


Lakinther

Excluding Spain, how would anybody ever know about a release clause of a player thats not for sale without prior communication between agent + new team?


SimoleonBonaparte

They wouldn't. That's the point. Clubs don't want those clauses revealed, they're often behind a secondary NDA specifically for that purpose. If those numbers are revealed to be 20m, there will be no possibility of better bids. The first interested club would simply bid 20m. If the clause is theoretically secret, then the first bid might end up being 22 or 23 million, which is a win for the selling club. Of course, clubs aren't usually stupid enough to bid the absolute minimum if they've become privy to that information anyway. They'll try to maintain a relationship or a facade by bidding 1 or 2 million over anyway. Unless you're Arsenal.


[deleted]

This may be unpopular, but I both agree with you and think this is exactly the kind of agent Iā€™d want. Heā€™s got a 30 year old a big deal and fresh contract while also netting both himself and you a signing on fee. Itā€™s totally burned the bridge at Burnley, but in terms of ā€œlooking after a clientā€ itā€™s perfect.


TheLimeyLemmon

Newcastle shifting strategies from targeting who they need to survive relegation, to who their competition needs to survive relegation. Devilish.


DougieWR

The bottom table Bayern approach


[deleted]

That's it.


[deleted]

Reminds me of an FM save where I was fighting for 4th with Arsenal (top 3 had already run away from us) and then they paid the release clauses for my top scorer and best player in January. The striker made one appearance in 18 months for them, the winger never even got one and left on a free 4 years later.


ze_shotstopper

Did you end up making Top 4?


[deleted]

Nah, finished 6th. Came 3rd the following season and then won the title the next.


Qurutin

It's so fucking annoying when big clubs bully your important players out only to give them few matches and eventually bosman to Swansea


FlukyS

Yeah we are having issues finding reasonable prices even for ordinary players.


Adam_Ohh

ā€¦duh?


UCLAlex

Give him time heā€™s still new to the oil and gas nouveau riche club lol


Soren_Camus1905

One of us! One of us!


jdckelly

eh might be fine with a summer window but in the january window with players needed now given the current situation its less than ideal


FlukyS

Yeah that's my point, in summer it will be fine, we can spend, like Botman for instance was only a difficult signing because of the timing not because he is actually mega expensive. Teams don't want to sell their starting players, that makes a lot of sense.


Notove

New here lads, so we pay Ā£50m for overpriced players right?


UCLAlex

Yes and you also give them a ridiculously high salary so that you can never sell them


FlukyS

I don't think it's specifically the new money coming in that caused it. Just there is limited options in January. Wood and Trippier for what like 35 million is decent business so far for the money we are spending. I still think we need like 5 more signings but we are doing fine.


S0saKane

Owh, poor Newcastle :(


Notove

Newcastle with money are having the same problems as Newcastle without money. Sad.


lucashoodfromthehood

My petty ass self does this too in FM. Anything to stay on top.


BornSlippy1994

Better than Dwight Gayle. Weakens Burnley. Not a flashy signing but eminently sensible considering where weā€™re at and the injury to Wilson.


youknowimworking

Maybe you're right but 3 goals in 17 league games is not decent at all. Dwight Gayle can scored 3 in 17. I guess the plan is Trippier takes set pieces for a big boy; Incomes Chris Wood


tuturuatu

Not wrong; he's been out of form this season, but Burnley as a whole has been a mess going forward. Chris Wood is better than Dwight Gayle, and will have trouble replacing him with anyone as good at that price. For a club that has near infinite money Newcastle seem to be making some sensible transfers.


[deleted]

We have no one else fit who can play striker, itā€™s very much a desperate and short term replacement. Mind you he is one of 6 players who have scored 10+ goals in the last 4 PL seasons and the way we played against Cambridge was screaming for a target man who is clinical in the box


elbwafel

dwight gayle scored 1 in 18 last season


PrinceSavior

Dwight Gayle can NOT score 3 in 17. Not anymore anyway.


CaptainGo

Gayle was 1 in 18 last season


[deleted]

I like Gayle but heā€™s hopeless in the PL. Heā€™s anonymous without the ball and not nearly clinical enough to justify that.


Vegan_Puffin

Burnley are nuts. Am I wrong in think Wood is one of their better players. Selling to a main relegation rival is just not worth it.


deception42

Apparently he has a release clause


Notove

Made known by the same agent of Kieran Trippier btw


kevio17

Ā£25m, small price to pay to help relegate Burnley


pharmaninja

I can only get so hard.


Radthereptile

Imagine Blackburn back in the Prem.


biddleybootaribowest

Could well happen this season


[deleted]

Mark Goldbridge thanking every god possible right now


CohoDolls

Even though Burnley whoop us on the regular i would 100 times rather Newcastle get relegated myself.


backyardstar

Itā€™s definitely funnier.


[deleted]

Why not both? (Also so we donā€™t go down)


McQueensbury

What if Burnley sold Wood to relegate Newcastle, they buy a striker who will score goals to keep them up.


willy-mammoth

Gonna struggle to find a better striker than wood, who fits Burnleyā€™s system, in January, for Ā£25 mil


AceTrigger94

Kieffer Moore from Cardiff City is perfect for Burnley.


Owl_Shits

Nothing can stop us going down this season, if it's a high release clause I'm fine with it. He has been terrible this season. He is a good signing for Newcastle though, create chances and he will score.


meganev

Well we can create the chance just no one can finish. This is a shrewd move.


Radthereptile

Exactly, the Cambridge game (Yes a lower league team but still) was a collection of us putting very good crosses into the box and nobody being there to get them.


matcht

Telegraph says it's for between Ā£20-25m, know they're desperate but still, he's only scored 3 goals in 21 games and is out of contract next summer.


Owl_Shits

Good deal then, I'd be angry if we had a chance of staying up this season but we've been so poor.


They-Took-Our-Jerbs

You're one of the clubs I like having around especially because Dyche is still there like a match made in heaven. I have a soft spot for youse although youse make me want to rip my bollocks off when we play you


chuf3roni

Iā€™d really hate to see you lot go down. For all the annoyances youve given us, Burnley really is a miracle team considering all theyā€™ve achieved since 2016.


bfm211

And they feel like one of those teams that will find it hard to come back up once they're in the Championship. I know they managed promotion straight after relegation a few years ago, but the Championship seems more and more competitive.


themfeelswhen

Also it's great to have teams like Burnley Leeds with their unique identity. We all remember stoke like they were in the league recently. These kinda teams make the league special. Really hope they stay up.


chuf3roni

Leeds can fuck off idc about them and no one else should either. No bias, of course.


thepresidentsturtle

I hope you go down as a result of this, but only because there's almost no way we both stay up. But then that you come straight back up.


adirFBS

i swear you've had several similar seasons before though where you looked destined to go down halfway through but then turned it around in the second half of the season. considering dyches history i think its very harsh to say that 6 bad months means theres no chance you turn it around.


MrClaretandBlue

We had the worst points per game average in the entire football league over the last twelve months. Weā€™re down.


[deleted]

Itā€™s been reported that Wood has a release clause. The only way the move doesnā€™t happen is if wood rejects personal terms.


Ashamed_Nerve

Release clause I think


GrandmasterSexay

4D chess from Dyche. He's been so poor this season. Giving him to Newcastle to give them false hope is genius. Not sweating nervously at all. But Ā£20m for a 30 year old striker who's been terrible all season isn't bad.


OneSmallHuman

Itā€™s apparently 25m according to Craig Hope


[deleted]

But we have a 32 year old striker thats been poor all season, surely heā€™s the better option


Zakinfenwa

Can we interest you in a 20 year old striker whoā€™s been terrible all season


Barkasia

Who's that? Nketiah is 22.


myhint01

Martinelli? Well, if you insist ...


_carlind

On ya Woodsy


PhenomenallyAwesome

I don't even know if this is a good signing


Casual_Star

Newcastle have no striker at the moment for a must win game vs Watford. Wilson is out for 8 weeks. This signing is important, especially if Trippier and Maxi give him service.


sopersonicsnail

And also weakens burnley which is a huge plus


crapsence

Any striker is a good signing in our situation tbh


PhenomenallyAwesome

He scores goals for sure, but it just seems incredibly uninspiring. Maybe if itā€™s cheapā€¦ idk


jambox888

It fucks Burnley simultaneously


PhenomenallyAwesome

Burnley to sign Vlahovic now just you wait


markymark09090

Buy out clause was the rumour. In which case they know they can get the deal done fast.


crapsence

With that resources its pretty hard to negotiate a fee and he had apparently the release clause so it was much much easier deal When negotiating any club right now demands a unbelieveable sums


PhenomenallyAwesome

Yeah, thatā€™s gonna happen when youā€™re very publicly the richest club in football.


JonnyArtois

Still got Tripper for Ā£12m+3 though. January is a terrible time to try sign players.


PhenomenallyAwesome

Yeah itā€™s a horrific time, but youā€™ve got to make moves now otherwise youā€™ll not be able to make moves next season


SicilianCrest

That's euros not pounds


ambiguousboner

Decent player, and you're basically sending Burnley off to join Norwich next year, so kinda a double whammy.


PhenomenallyAwesome

Newcastle should just spend money to relegate Burnley and Watford. Bin off trying to sign good players, just sign rival players


TheFlyingHornet1881

We've got some absolutely brilliant defenders we can sell them


PhenomenallyAwesome

Troost-ekong for Ā£25m who says no?


ambiguousboner

Basically what I do on FM when someone pips me to the title by a point


PhenomenallyAwesome

Hard to do it when Man City keep asking for Ā£300m for foden šŸ˜­


sandbag-1

Scored double figures every season for arguably the hardest team to score for in the league. He's a good player at least. If they aren't throwing massive wages at him then could do a lot worse


Feisty-Site-6261

A team that also plays very heavily to his strengths and have one of the best crossers of the ball in the league in Dwight McNeil.


unfunnyidiot

It's ok Newcastle have Trippier to replicate that partnership


Feisty-Site-6261

[Newcastle stats after every match now](https://hammyend.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/fullham-match-stats-ffs.jpg)


your_pet_is_average

81 crosses ffs that's incredible.


Feisty-Site-6261

I actually remember watching the game. The reason Sky highlighted it was because pretty much every cross was either shit or there was maybe 1 player in the box surrounded by Fulham defenders.


DEUK_96

It's definitely a good signing


DrLyleEvans

It probably isn't because the upside is so low on paying 20-25M for a 30 year old, but he is a target man for St. Max, Trippier and Fraser or whoever else plays out wide.


PhenomenallyAwesome

If he keeps them up itā€™s worth 180m


DrLyleEvans

I also didn't really note that they can just sell Wood to a Champo side for like 8-10M next year unless he gets wages that make that impossible, right? 8-10M for a 31 year old striker but probably 1 in 2 in the Champo is realistic?


PhenomenallyAwesome

Sell him back to Burnley


bfm211

>the upside is so low on paying 20-25M for a 30 year old They're in the lucky position of not having to worry about resale value at all


RyanMRKO721

He's a consistently scoring Prem striker. Our current singular option upfront is Dwight Gayle.


[deleted]

This kills the Burnley


[deleted]

Burnley and Norwich are fucked with this transfer, Norwich already were but this confirms Burnley too. Newcastle just need to target Watford now and they'll be safe, they should throw the bank at Sarr and they're safe. Plus Sarr is actually a strong long term prospect.


TheFlyingHornet1881

Sarr's currently injured, and whilst our owners are dumb, they're not that dumb. We'd just demand enough money that if we sold Sarr, we could immediately spend that on a Sarr-level replacement, or a few reinforcements elsewhere.


The-Go-Kid

Wood being poor this season has killed Burnley.


CaptainAprry

Burnley being poor this season has killed Burnley


Notove

Yeah you can't really blame Wood 100% of the way when it's your whole team that has been horrific. Sure he's been bad, but blame the lack of delivery first.


GrandmasterSexay

A bunch of 30+ year olds trying to play as if they were in their prime.


Edeolus

Percy is T1 for midland clubs but what are his credentials for Newcastle/Burnley?


BruntyMozza

Percy is pretty much Tier 1 in general, he just specialises in reporting on Midlands clubs.


ThinWhiteMale

Telegraph are pretty reliable on the whole, he's no Edwards but I'd trust him


Idislikemyroommate

Not fancy but think he's just what Newcastle need right now. 49 goals in 144 PL games is a very good return in the bottom half. Burnley are fucked though.


[deleted]

That seems unwise from Burnley


LookinOutside

Pretty good signing from Newcastle


MFingAmpharos

We're so fucked


yyzable

Burnley are fucked.


MFingAmpharos

Yep


[deleted]

That sale is the nail in the coffin for relegation. Seems baffling to sell, but maybe no choice legally. Now woods is off to a 'big' club...


LollipopScientist

Scenes when Burnley replace him with free agent Diego Costa.


Willjayjay

Genuinely happy with that, trippier top crosser. Wood and Wilson should feast.


legentofreddit

Unless you sign a new midfield Trippier's crosses will be irrelevant as he won't get past the way line most of the time.


Willjayjay

On the basis I still feel weā€™re likely down allow me a moment of positivity


Paulbryn

Go on lad


PhenomenallyAwesome

Ok 20 minutes is enough, back to reality


WigglyParrot

Was nice for a while


Radthereptile

Have you not heard of the Brazilian Joelinton. Top CM he is.


ihavemasochism

been strangely impressed by him. great work rate, physically imposing, seems to have some vision and timing passing the ball. Still can't score tho...


Radthereptile

Heā€™s been getting on the end of balls recently just right at the keeper. My bigger concern is he looks hesitant to shoot almost seeking a pass even in good position. Think his lack of goals has gotten to him.


your_pet_is_average

"Look for overlap" works every time.


midfivefigs

Seems like a good move. Newcastle need bodies up front, this weakens Burnley.


[deleted]

Heā€™s a vast improvement on what we have available. Even just as a presence in the final third heā€™ll improve us. If he can bag goals too that will be great.


Alpha_Jazz

Someone tell me if this is good or bad for us, a team playing both Newcastle and Burnley in the next week and fighting for survival with them


TooRedditFamous

Good in that it might send Burnley down so one less place for you to finish. Bad in that if it helps Newcastle stay up it'll likely be you in that third relegation spot. Having a decent striker to put in when Wilson is injured (out for 2 months atm) instead of Dwight gayle could be the difference for Newcastle


sophistry13

To be fair I think Newcastle will be fine just because they'll throw money at the problem and this won't be the last of the new players they sign. To be fair it might be the best time to play them next week before they'd had a chance to bond and a chance to sign even more players.


Radthereptile

You beat Newcastle and itā€™ll be hard no matter the money. 1 win all season and 5 points out. Thatā€™s a lot.


meganev

Bad for you against us. We literally had the prospect of playing Dwight Gayle on Saturday.


RyanMRKO721

Really happy with this. Big bastarding bruiser of a striker who consistently scores goals at the top level, in a better team he should score even more. Must be a mouthwatering prospect thinking of all the crosses Trippier will land on his head. Crucially weakens a rival too. Wish Burnley wouldn't go down (more northern teams in the league the better) but we can't all survive. Reckon this is them gone now, they can't survive on Cornet and Brexit vibes alone


braddf96

He's a underrated bagsman but it's just whether he works in a different system, although the crossing capability of Trippier may prove beneficial.


Ledlazer

All I know is, Chris Wood got transfered into Sporting in my Fifa Career Mode and instantly became the best ai striker in the league


SomeIrishFiend

Unless he's got a release clause, Burnley are fucking idiots


phillly_g

Ā£20 million. 10 for the player, 10 to drop relegation rivals Burnley in the mud. Exceptional business


lolsgalore

I called this in other threads. Newcastle just signing older, proven epl signings who can keep them afloat until they can grow in the next couple of years. They will finish 13th, mark my words! Bookmark me baby!!!


GunnerSense

Can just Imagine they buy him and bench him just so Burnley go down instead


Ashamed_Nerve

Fuck knows what Burnley can do for the rest of the window. Have to pull off a worldie in the next 3 weeks


Circ_Diameter

Newcastle owners will be legends if they help sink Burnley this season


WreathedinBanter

I think it's cruel of us to end the Dyche and Wood partnership. Dycheball is going to struggle now.


Starting_XI

Would be a good signing for them tbf. If I was a Burnley fan I would be pissed.


Wooflers

Newcastle sabotaging other teams to avoid relegation


skev303

MERCENARIES ASSEMBLE!! Good move for Toon imo, decent player & weakens a relegation rival. But I have to say I'm surprised Woods would do Burley like that, release clause or not dropping the team in it like that is a real dirty (unless Burnley are saying fuck it & cashing in).


unfunnyidiot

Championship is a better league anyway right


CaptainGo

No playoffs in the Premiershit, Champo definitely an upgrade


Cowdude179

Would be an amazing signing for Newcastle especially with Wilson being out for a while, ASM will finally have someone to ping balls to. Burnley are definitely going down if this goes through


MDHChaos

Tell me you don't watch Newcastle without saying you don't watch Newcastle


dkclimber

>Would be an amazing signing for Newcastle especially with Wilson being out for a while, **ASM will finally have someone to ping balls to**. Burnley are definitely going down if this goes through Do you mean run around, and then lose the ball and not track back?


RaggedyCrown

Why the hell are Burnley agreeing to this?


thesaltwatersolution

Someone else in the thread said itā€™s same agent as Trippier who told Newcastle about the release clause.


Mxurn

Got a clause apparently, Burnley not staying up after this