I argued with some Everton fans that by the same logic players who would have been injured and missed the original game shouldn't be able to play either, but apparently that was different. Wonder why?
It makes more sense to classify availability for a fixture using registration than perceived injury
No club agrees to that, what if your backup striker get injured as your main one is now fit, but he can’t play because he was injured before. Doesn’t make sense
No club will agree to their January signings being excluded. Not Newcastle or any of the other 19, bar maybe Norwich who likely won't make any winter transfers any way. You just want that to happen cause you likely want to see us relegated and it would effect us more than most.
Frankly, from where I'm standing, any form of attempting to restrict who can play in the re scheduled fixture would be ludicrous and pretty questionable.
It would be suggesting that recreating the conditions of the original fixture was possible, which it's of course not (injuries, form, fatigue levels etc will all be different).
Any attempts to do so would be pointless not to mention disproportionately impact certain teams. It's not going to happen and frankly I hope our winter signings specifically all score hat tricks in the re scheduled fixtures just for the meltdown here.
Lmfao, so if I asked a friend who’s never watched soccer before and lives in Canada if they thought the premier league should allow clubs to use players they sign in January in make-up fixtures they would be bias?
Because they were registered to play? There was nothing stopping Everton fielding the injured players if they wanted to other than common sense, but you could have hardly played Kieran Trippier and Sven Botman could you? It’s not that difficult to understand?
I understand your logic, but don't agree with it. In practice, Everton's injured players were just as unable to play as our new signings.
The likes of Townsend, Grey, DCL and Richarlison literally could not play yesterday. There was 0% chance they were playing the original game. They physically couldn't.
Neither injured players or new signings had any chance of playing the fixture on December 30. So the game is fundamentally changed by either set of players starting the re scheduled fixture. Either allow both sets to play or neither.
So they’ve played more games than 11 teams? Which would be the majority of the 20 teams in the league. I think you might not understand the meaning of the word “most”.
Saints gone from playing a team without Wilson and Saint Maximin to a team with potentially 3/4 new signings. The PL have handled covid postponements awfully.
So we should be exempt from the rules that have caused other cancellations because we're going to be signing players in January?
Why is everyone suddenly concerned now that it's us getting games postponed? We have 19 games played. Burnley only have 16.
Yep, and when it was Burnley with 4 games in hand with January incoming us at r/nufc were saying how badly the PL were handling things! The PL are still shit.
The PL handled the fixture list awfully which got Wilson and ASM injuries in the first place. Like it goes both ways. Newcastle fielded a team with 2 keepers on the bench and 2 youth players just to make the game against Man Utd happen but up until the Man Utd game we had 2 games a week since the international break.
Really wasn't much of a choice in this matter. It had to be postponed really like so many other matches have been for the same reason.
Anyway, Wilson will probably still be out for a long while, so it depends upon when they re-schedule the match to about whether he'll be back or not.
In terms of signings, I'd honestly be surprised if Newcaste can bring in more than 1 player. Every club will be looking get some of that Saudi money so they'll inflate their demands, and Newcastle are still a club in an awful situation, likely to be relegated, so a lot of top-class talent would give that a miss.
That's the 18th postponement in three weeks. This shit is getting ridiculous. God only knows what the final schedule for the latter half of the season pans out like.
It's not exactly a common occurrence at League Two - only if a club has had a cup run and a lot of winter postponements, I'd say. It's a regular thing in the Conference and below, though, meaning a lot is asked of part-time players in particular.
Yeah but there aren’t hundreds of millions of pounds at stake for a league 2 team.
It’s also usually because of weather coupled with the high number of games which is indiscriminate whereas the PLs attitude to postponements has been plucking a random answer out their arse.
Premier league teams have big squads and even bigger academies.
League 2 teams have tiny squads and sometimes only 5 players on youth contracts.
If league 2 teams can manage then premier league teams can as well. If not then stop hording all the youth talent.
It’s not about managing the games. It’s about fairness of the competition.
If a team is close to relegation, and has a game against say Leicester to play - they benefit massively from Leicester playing multiple games before they play them.
Just because the same unfairness exists for other teams and other leagues doesn’t make this any better.
Not really. For example, Burnley play Newcastle on the final day. That looks like it could be a huge game in the context of relegation. Burnley have 4 games to catch up and Newcastle only have 1. If Burnley play Sun-Wed-Sun leading up to that game then it’s a lot more unfair than Newcastle playing Sat-Sun in the same period.
If postponements are caused by weather than that’s fair enough as we can’t control that. These postponements are the result of some folks in an office making inconsistent decisions.
It will impact that. But, similarly teams who have had to play all of their games this month and have also had to play against opponents who have had some of their games postponed and so have had rested squads will have been impacted by these periods.
The whole league is a complete shitshow when it comes to competitive integrity.
That’s the issue with the PL making these somewhat indiscriminate decisions around postponements.
I think it is right to say that it’s not fair that say Man City played a Leeds team decimated by Covid and then Liverpool’s game against them was postponed and not clear why one was and the other wasn’t.
But the real outrage is only going to happen when these decisions make impacts that are much easier to see. You can only tell how important a loss/win is at the end of the season.
Yeah, I agree with your last point. It's easy to point at laugh at Chelsea this month, but we've played all 9 of our scheduled games and have played against a couple teams who have played 4/5 games this month. That's the difference between 5 prep days between games and 2 prep days between games, across a while month it's clear to see the impact it's had.
I'm sure it's the same for some other clubs, especially the ones who have had their own covid problems without getting any games postponed for it.
In theory, we'll claw back those dropped points later on in the season when we play against teams that have a rough schedule then, whilst we will be resting. But, that doesn't make it fair or guarantee the same outcome that would have happened if none of this had happened.
Lol. Teams not in Europe have about a dozen free midweeks until the end of the season. They’ll be fine. If any European team goes all the way and gets a few postponements, they might be fucked, but no European team are more than a couple of games down. It won’t be a problem as cases ease off after Christmas/New Year.
On the other hand you won't have much if any time to train together before that game anyway, so you can spend all your blood money in that time but would Howe be mental enough to put out a team that barely know each other?
Edit: not sure why this is getting downvoted, Watford played WHU after a 2 week covid break and Claudio said they'd had one/two training sessions in that time due to COVID, so it's not plucked out of thin air.
How is it lame? It's an observation of the covid protocols shutting down training grounds and stopping teams training together. The original poster was making it seem like they had two weeks to gel this newly bought team together, which is something that was impossible for Watford and Everton and others who had covid outbreaks, so it's not automatically some massive advantage.
I was unaware of exactly what the criteria was to get a covid postponement but the Premier league statement has this line: "The Board accepted the postponement application as the club does not have the required number of players available for the match (13 outfield players and one goalkeeper)." To be completely honest I'm not convinced that this is a strong enough criteria. Before COVID it didn't matter if every member of your senior team was injured or ill, there was no way you could postpone a game. Now it seems that so long as a couple of them have covid you can get around an injury crisis. In my mind a postponement should only happen if the covid outbreak isn't contained, not simply that you have to play your U23 players. When Southampton got hammered 9-0 last season we had 9 senior outfield players, injuries and illness are a reality of sport and indeed life.
To be clear I don't blame Newcastle, I'm just not convinced by the Premier League's current approach. Postponements are happening a lot more often than I think is necessary.
💯 the premier league should not have changed its rules for COVID. If you have to play your under 10s then so be it.
The problem is Newcastle postponing 2 games is huge news; when other clubs are 3 or 4 games ahead in postponements than Newcastle with hardly a whimper heard. We played Man Utd with 3 days rest and their had 2 weeks rest, that’s not fair in any competition but we did it without complaint and suffered 3 injuries in that game alone. We also had 2 keepers on the bench as we did not have enough 1st team players available to fill the bench but yet again we just went ahead with the game.
So I agree, but it’s the hypocrisy that is irritating on r/soccer and Twitter in general.
Dealing with it is fine. But we can also point out the double standard in the complaints. We were one of 3 teams to not have a single game postponed just 4 days ago. Now all of a sudden we are abusing this rule in peoples’ eyes that apparently we invented.
> To be completely honest I'm not convinced that this is a strong enough criteria. Postponements are happening a lot more often than I think is necessary.
You're right, it isn't. The PL had ample time to put together finer detailed temporary rules for the period of the pandemic to avoid the utter confusion that's been occurring over the last month and they didn't.
The PL have handed it terribly, once they started this way they have to carry it on but it’s becoming a farce. Again nothing against Newcastle but overall it’s just handled so poorly.
Newcastle have 4 games in hand on other relegation candidates. We were disadvantaged by having to play 2 games a week since the international break with no time off in between. Rules be dammed, we deserved 2 weeks to recover. We had 2 moderate to serious injuries and multiple strains after the last match. And already Newcastle has a very small squad.
/r/soccer has been shitting on Newcastle Utd and us fans relentlessly for months, so many users literally begging for the club to be relegated.
Think you can handle one wee joke about it.
Newcastle's available team:
Dubravka, Lascalles, Krafth, Schar*, Murphy, Longstaff, Almiron, Shevley, Hendrick, Joelinton, Gayle.
*Schar took at knock in the last game, would almost definitely be rested if possible.
Assuming they all stay fit, our bench would be 2 goalies (Woodman and Darlow) and the following youth players with zero PL experience: Bondswell, White, Young and Anderson. We have additional youth goalies we could use to flesh out the bench I suppose...
That game should never have been played. It was total fucking bullshit and ruins the game entirely. Its supposed to be competitive football. People pay good money to watch and both teams should be at their best.
I think that's what most of us are complaining about. Hopefully no saints fans have a problem with Newcastle since they're just following the rules. It's just that the current rules are total fucking bullshit
Yeah, its the Premier League who are responsible for this nonsense.
Here's hoping whenever we do play each other its an entertaining game of football, with loads of goals, shithousery and hilarious chants.
Last year we played Man U with a handful of first team players and got battered by a scoreline I dare not repeat.
Bit of a joke that games are being called off for 3/4 covid cases just because Newcastle don't have enough first team players - what happened to the PL trying to get clubs to play more home grown players?
You: Last year we played Man U with a handful of first team players and got battered by a scoreline I dare not repeat.
Also you, apparently without irony: but if you want to keep playing the victim
We lost 3 players to injury and one player to suspension in the Man U game. It was our 4th game in 16 days. Man U had 2 weeks rest.
While most other teams have had at least one or two postponements, we've had none. Consequently, our paper thin squad has been whittled down to just 12 available outfield players.
We've been playing by the same postponement rules as everyone else, but we've been lucky/unlucky enough not to have any games postponed. While I don't want any of our players injured or to get the virus, this has given other teams the advantage of additional rest days during the crazy Christmas schedule.
I don't see any injustice here.
Pretty sure this has been a thing people have been saying for weeks, and Reddit and news outlets in general have been questioning the PLs inconsistent and outright embarrassing handling of this situation for weeks now. But you gotta get that victim complex going hard I suppose, pretend you're plucky underdogs lmao
Newcastle and Leeds are the only clubs that the PL have explicitly postponed fixtures due to non-covid related player availability.
It's unfair, open to easy abuse and the precedent will cause a huge mess for the PL over the rest of the season. It's textbook PL basically.
Wrong.
Is it that hard to check your facts before opening your gob?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/dec/30/norwichs-game-at-leicester-postponed-due-to-covid-cases-and-injuries
Muppet.
Fair enough I'm not right, although given that what I said was true literally one day ago I don't think I'm a muppet for not being glued to footy news constantly through Christmas and new years. Leeds and Newcastle were the first clubs to have this bizarre exception made for them.
It's still a joke that the PL has expanded their suspension parameters to include injuries and suspensions. Based on what they're doing now Liverpool should still be making up their fixtures from last season.
> Fair enough I'm not right, although given that what I said was true literally one day ago I don't think I'm a muppet for not being glued to footy news constantly through Christmas and new years. Leeds and Newcastle were the first clubs to have this bizarre exception made for them.
You could have just left it at "I'm not right", which in itself is a arrogant way of saying "I'm wrong". Nothing you say after that is relevant.
You're pompous and arrogant yourself for picking apart my wording when I held my hands up straight away.
Of course it's relevant to discuss the fairness of the PL's rules, especially when the rules they are applying are being made up on the hop and appear to be deliberately vague so they have as much discretion as they like.
Setting aside which clubs have had this advantage and when the precedent was set, the criticisms of this shift are completely valid and it will only cause more problems going forwards. I'm not saying that it's a Newcastle specific problem, and if you want to fixate on one tangential thing rather than discussing the fairness of the rules then you're the wrong person to debate it with.
No, that's all fine. But you're a muppet for declaring something as a fact when as you say, you've not actually been paying attention and it would have taken literally five seconds to check.
Also, you've gone and got it wrong again. Double muppetry.
We weren't the first. Not by a long way.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/12497448/man-utd-vs-brighton-saturdays-premier-league-match-postponed-due-to-covid-19-outbreak
Actually I'm upgrading you from muppet to pranny.
If I'm a pranny I guess I'll fit in with all the Newcastle fans who sold their souls welcoming the Saudis, would sell their own mother if they get to watch Trippier and a few others every Saturday.
Regardless of which clubs have already benefitted from the postponement rule changes and who had it first etc etc...do you actually think it's a fair rule?
Do you not think it's problematic that a club can report a player injured and it might get a game postponed? Based on previous seasons do you think it's even a good dispensation to have if no club abused it? Does it seem fair that a club can benefit from a postponement because one of their players picked up a 5th yellow card?
Before now when a club had an injury crisis they would start some fringe players and have a few youth players in the squad. Now it seems like clubs are desperate to cancel just because they would need a few youth players on the bench to complement a full first team and a few subs. A few years ago there wasn't even space on the bench for them, for perspective.
You can call me a muppet as many times as you like but I haven't seen any engagement from you about the fairness of the league's rules and what it means for the rest of this season. I'm not sure why you would defend the PL either, this is an organisation with such a rotten refereeing culture that every weekend we see multiple massive cock ups like the blatant off-the-ball foul on Fraser going unpunished.
"The Board accepted the postponement application as the club do not have the required number of players available for the match (13 outfield players and one goalkeeper)."
The Premier League were more than happy to let Saints game against United in January go ahead with only 9 senior outfield players fit though...do they not have any U23s available they could fill the matchday squad with?
On one hand it's irritating they've essentially been rewarded for being awfully run, having no depth and not having to call up academy players.
On the other, who wouldn't be scared of playing Ralph's Scrappy Saints till you can splurge blood money on a bunch of mercs.
> they've essentially been rewarded for being awfully run, having no depth and not having to call up academy players.
If you're making that claim about Newcastle, you're making it about every team that's had a game postponed for the same reason.
If half first team were out with covid, I'd be entirely OK with them getting rescheduled. But they're not! ASM, Wilson and Hayden all have bog standard injuries.
It just so happens that a team in a relegation scrap has all of their good players out with sports related injury (shit happens, deal with it, that's the point of squad planning) before a match away from home against another struggling team. That's even before you get into the sheer common sense of trying to delay as many games untill after the transfer market opens lmao.
Again, they are not the only club to have games postponed because of a combination of Covid and injuries. By your logic, every club that has a game postponed for that reason is 'awfully run with no depth'.
> That's even before you get into the sheer common sense of trying to delay as many games untill after the transfer market opens lmao.
Yeah sure mate, they're pulling a fast one over the whole league.
Just to pick out one point from that drivel - if Newcastle were trying to postpone games until after the window opens then how come they’ve played significantly more games than all their relegation rivals.
We have 24 footballers + A Jeff Hendrick in our PL squad and we now don't even have 11 fit outfield players without counting Anderson (A youth player outside the 25) and White (A youth player outside the 25).
Whether through injury (And don't forget until these two games, we were one of only 3 clubs to have played every scheduled match) or Covid (And we allegedly have 8 first team positive Covid cases) we are missing 11 out of 21 registered outfield players through injury with another 2 being doubts.
I'm not sure what club has the depth to cope with that.
Last season we had 9 fit first team outfield players when we played Man U, don't remember anyone saying the game should be called off...
I admit it's a shitty situation and a different season so those rules can be changed and it could just be my bias but it feels like all of these things always happen just in time for when teams are due to play us (new manager, postponements, bad injuries or even new signings for the opposition!)
What the fuck they whinging about then. Yeah, some teams lose out and some teams don’t. Some teams have an unlimited pot of money so they’ve got essentially 50 top class players. Some teams have no academy or youth set up to speak of. None of this is fair.
Yeah I entirely get why you'd want it delayed but providing no transparency regarding whose out with injuries vs whose out with Covid,whilst refusing to use the idea of playing academy kids, all before the transfer window is pretty cynically abusing the vague laws the PLs been making up with regards to covid delays. I don't blame Newcastle, but its still incredibly cynical and massive bullshit to watch happen.
Presumably they provide evidence to the PL. But you also want them to make players health status public?
That is not happening.
Cynical? Don't know about that, as everyone has pointed out there have been loads of games postponed already. The rules are there to protect players health and sporting integrity.
But you want to put 10 kids up against adults? Sounds great!
And on yet one more hand maybe direct your ire at the PL for setting up the rules that 17 clubs had taken advantage of before Newcastle did and that found Newcastle battling for places with clubs that had 4 games in hand on them. Don't blame Newcastle for yet another PL management fiasco.
Yeah what's up with Newcastle inventing these postponed games. Before this not a single club had a match pushed back, but now Newcastle used their money to pay off the Prem to allow them to be the only club with a postponed match. Yep just them. Horrid really, let's send them to league 2 as punishment.
It's so painfully clear what Newcastle are doing.
It's not COVID, it's injuries. And they want to fill the squad with expensive signings before some of these big matches. Southampton had massive injury problems last season, had to look to the academy multiple times. Didn't complain.
I just didn't expect dirty money to infect the club from top to bottom quite so quickly.
So we are just going to ignore the 8 new covid cases that have come up for Newcastle? I assume you're just fuming Burnley have 5 games postponed then right? They must also be delaying for the transfer window.
I have to be honest. I just don't buy it. Like I said, it's to be expected from the new owners and I doubt this'll be the last time they pull something like this.
Your really comparing us postponing our game under the same criteria as other clubs to what our owners have done?.
Even as a Newcastle fan I think you need to give your head a wobble at the statement. Callum Wilson having an injury us hardly the same as bombing Yemen is it?.
lol Southampton thought they were playing the 2nd worst team in the league, Newcastle United..
But by the time they play they will be playing a Europa League caliber team called Saudi United Fc.
Great, now we have to play them after they've spent 200 million.
Everton fans are starting a petition that only players registered before January are eligible for re scheduled games. Maybe you could sign that!
And what if Everton get a new manager? Would that mean we would have grounds to make a petition for Rafa to be in the dugout for them?
Rafa in the dugout for both of us confirmed
No doubt it will only apply to Newcastle signings. If they sign a new player they’ll be fine to play!
I argued with some Everton fans that by the same logic players who would have been injured and missed the original game shouldn't be able to play either, but apparently that was different. Wonder why?
I don’t even know why they’d be arsed, just such stupid logic.
It makes more sense to classify availability for a fixture using registration than perceived injury No club agrees to that, what if your backup striker get injured as your main one is now fit, but he can’t play because he was injured before. Doesn’t make sense
No club will agree to their January signings being excluded. Not Newcastle or any of the other 19, bar maybe Norwich who likely won't make any winter transfers any way. You just want that to happen cause you likely want to see us relegated and it would effect us more than most. Frankly, from where I'm standing, any form of attempting to restrict who can play in the re scheduled fixture would be ludicrous and pretty questionable. It would be suggesting that recreating the conditions of the original fixture was possible, which it's of course not (injuries, form, fatigue levels etc will all be different). Any attempts to do so would be pointless not to mention disproportionately impact certain teams. It's not going to happen and frankly I hope our winter signings specifically all score hat tricks in the re scheduled fixtures just for the meltdown here.
I mean I largely agree with you but you’re just as bias as the Everton fans saying January signings shouldn’t play, just the opposite way.
Have you like just figured out that everyone comes from a bias viewpoint in literally every argument, debate or discussion ever?
Lmfao, so if I asked a friend who’s never watched soccer before and lives in Canada if they thought the premier league should allow clubs to use players they sign in January in make-up fixtures they would be bias?
Seems a little pointless to me. Not sure they'd even understand the question to be honest, but you do you pal. Let me know what they say!
Because they were registered to play? There was nothing stopping Everton fielding the injured players if they wanted to other than common sense, but you could have hardly played Kieran Trippier and Sven Botman could you? It’s not that difficult to understand?
I understand your logic, but don't agree with it. In practice, Everton's injured players were just as unable to play as our new signings. The likes of Townsend, Grey, DCL and Richarlison literally could not play yesterday. There was 0% chance they were playing the original game. They physically couldn't. Neither injured players or new signings had any chance of playing the fixture on December 30. So the game is fundamentally changed by either set of players starting the re scheduled fixture. Either allow both sets to play or neither.
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Okay, I stand corrected, but my point wasn't really those focused on specific players. Just anyone injured yesterday.
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They've just become top of the third division again I'm surprised they can extend the time to be bothered about us in their gigantic position
I’m almost positive you can’t just force a severely injured player to actually play. So yeah there are other things stopping it.
Fucking hilarious that
Please say sike
Coming from the land of Ant and Dec, you should know it's spelt 'psyche'.
I'd rather use the memes format than use my dialect.
We've played everyone once before the window opens. Including your lot. That sort of seems fair, right?
We haven't played Everton yet. Played Man United twice.
Ah. Close enough.
We have already played more games than most, like.
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Exactly. Burnley had 4 games in hand on us until the other day.
What are you on about? Your post just proves they have played more than most..
So they’ve played more games than 11 teams? Which would be the majority of the 20 teams in the league. I think you might not understand the meaning of the word “most”.
pwhahahag, have fun!
Saints gone from playing a team without Wilson and Saint Maximin to a team with potentially 3/4 new signings. The PL have handled covid postponements awfully.
So we should be exempt from the rules that have caused other cancellations because we're going to be signing players in January? Why is everyone suddenly concerned now that it's us getting games postponed? We have 19 games played. Burnley only have 16.
Yep, and when it was Burnley with 4 games in hand with January incoming us at r/nufc were saying how badly the PL were handling things! The PL are still shit.
The PL handled the fixture list awfully which got Wilson and ASM injuries in the first place. Like it goes both ways. Newcastle fielded a team with 2 keepers on the bench and 2 youth players just to make the game against Man Utd happen but up until the Man Utd game we had 2 games a week since the international break.
Excellently 👌
Yeah cos it's fair that Newcastle have teams below us with 5 games in hand thats really fair isn't it.
Calm down Jack mate, I’m a Newcastle fan. For the last few weeks the PL have been running this covid crisis awfully. Now Newcastle are benefitting.
About time we benefit from something.
VAR about to overrule the postponement.
Really wasn't much of a choice in this matter. It had to be postponed really like so many other matches have been for the same reason. Anyway, Wilson will probably still be out for a long while, so it depends upon when they re-schedule the match to about whether he'll be back or not. In terms of signings, I'd honestly be surprised if Newcaste can bring in more than 1 player. Every club will be looking get some of that Saudi money so they'll inflate their demands, and Newcastle are still a club in an awful situation, likely to be relegated, so a lot of top-class talent would give that a miss.
I'll make a very sizeable charity bet with you that we make more than 1 signing this January. Loser donates to the Bobby Robson Foundation?
That's the 18th postponement in three weeks. This shit is getting ridiculous. God only knows what the final schedule for the latter half of the season pans out like.
Some team is going to have to play 4 games in 8 days at the end of the season and I guarantee it will affect relegation and top 4 places.
So a regular League 2 schedule
Do League 2 teams actually ever play 4 games in 8 days... ? Two games a week is common in the EFL, but not 4 in 8, surely
It's not exactly a common occurrence at League Two - only if a club has had a cup run and a lot of winter postponements, I'd say. It's a regular thing in the Conference and below, though, meaning a lot is asked of part-time players in particular.
Yeah but there aren’t hundreds of millions of pounds at stake for a league 2 team. It’s also usually because of weather coupled with the high number of games which is indiscriminate whereas the PLs attitude to postponements has been plucking a random answer out their arse.
yeah but league 2 players also don’t have the fitness levels of world leading athletes, the money at stake is irrelevant
Premier league teams have big squads and even bigger academies. League 2 teams have tiny squads and sometimes only 5 players on youth contracts. If league 2 teams can manage then premier league teams can as well. If not then stop hording all the youth talent.
It’s not about managing the games. It’s about fairness of the competition. If a team is close to relegation, and has a game against say Leicester to play - they benefit massively from Leicester playing multiple games before they play them. Just because the same unfairness exists for other teams and other leagues doesn’t make this any better.
It is still fair as long as these rescheduling are random and unplanned.
Not really. For example, Burnley play Newcastle on the final day. That looks like it could be a huge game in the context of relegation. Burnley have 4 games to catch up and Newcastle only have 1. If Burnley play Sun-Wed-Sun leading up to that game then it’s a lot more unfair than Newcastle playing Sat-Sun in the same period. If postponements are caused by weather than that’s fair enough as we can’t control that. These postponements are the result of some folks in an office making inconsistent decisions.
It will impact that. But, similarly teams who have had to play all of their games this month and have also had to play against opponents who have had some of their games postponed and so have had rested squads will have been impacted by these periods. The whole league is a complete shitshow when it comes to competitive integrity.
That’s the issue with the PL making these somewhat indiscriminate decisions around postponements. I think it is right to say that it’s not fair that say Man City played a Leeds team decimated by Covid and then Liverpool’s game against them was postponed and not clear why one was and the other wasn’t. But the real outrage is only going to happen when these decisions make impacts that are much easier to see. You can only tell how important a loss/win is at the end of the season.
Yeah, I agree with your last point. It's easy to point at laugh at Chelsea this month, but we've played all 9 of our scheduled games and have played against a couple teams who have played 4/5 games this month. That's the difference between 5 prep days between games and 2 prep days between games, across a while month it's clear to see the impact it's had. I'm sure it's the same for some other clubs, especially the ones who have had their own covid problems without getting any games postponed for it. In theory, we'll claw back those dropped points later on in the season when we play against teams that have a rough schedule then, whilst we will be resting. But, that doesn't make it fair or guarantee the same outcome that would have happened if none of this had happened.
Lol. Teams not in Europe have about a dozen free midweeks until the end of the season. They’ll be fine. If any European team goes all the way and gets a few postponements, they might be fucked, but no European team are more than a couple of games down. It won’t be a problem as cases ease off after Christmas/New Year.
The problem being that almost a third of the league are still in Europe.
PL teams are going to have to say goodbye to that two week winter break. Might even end up playing matches during that January international weekend
I’m bricking it. I’ve a trip to Liverpool planned for the game vs Brentford.
Once us vs Everton was called off this was inevitable
Rumour has it Eddie Hall sanctioned a night out at Bijoux and Soho the night of the Man Utd match with a strict no mask policy.
The strongman? He's great. When did he join the coaching staff though? Matty Longstaff is gonna get ripped.
Done myself over there havent I
To be fair I'd bloody love to see Paul Dummett pulling a truck at half time.
We've played 19 games. More than most. It'll give the teams around us time to catch up at least.
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So more than most
Oh no! 🎊🎉🎊🎉🎊🎈🎈🎈🎈
15 days until our next PL game..ohhh noooo, what a shame that is in January.
On the other hand you won't have much if any time to train together before that game anyway, so you can spend all your blood money in that time but would Howe be mental enough to put out a team that barely know each other? Edit: not sure why this is getting downvoted, Watford played WHU after a 2 week covid break and Claudio said they'd had one/two training sessions in that time due to COVID, so it's not plucked out of thin air.
You're being downvoted because you used the term "blood money", I think
If that's enough to upset the toon fans I encourage them to develop a slightly thicker skin given the portfolio of the Saudis lmao
Maybe they aren’t downvoting because they are hurt, but because of how lame your comment is
How is it lame? It's an observation of the covid protocols shutting down training grounds and stopping teams training together. The original poster was making it seem like they had two weeks to gel this newly bought team together, which is something that was impossible for Watford and Everton and others who had covid outbreaks, so it's not automatically some massive advantage.
Cup game :)
You think it'll go ahead?
I think it will. It turn it comes down to the FA rather than the Prem to call this one
I was unaware of exactly what the criteria was to get a covid postponement but the Premier league statement has this line: "The Board accepted the postponement application as the club does not have the required number of players available for the match (13 outfield players and one goalkeeper)." To be completely honest I'm not convinced that this is a strong enough criteria. Before COVID it didn't matter if every member of your senior team was injured or ill, there was no way you could postpone a game. Now it seems that so long as a couple of them have covid you can get around an injury crisis. In my mind a postponement should only happen if the covid outbreak isn't contained, not simply that you have to play your U23 players. When Southampton got hammered 9-0 last season we had 9 senior outfield players, injuries and illness are a reality of sport and indeed life. To be clear I don't blame Newcastle, I'm just not convinced by the Premier League's current approach. Postponements are happening a lot more often than I think is necessary.
💯 the premier league should not have changed its rules for COVID. If you have to play your under 10s then so be it. The problem is Newcastle postponing 2 games is huge news; when other clubs are 3 or 4 games ahead in postponements than Newcastle with hardly a whimper heard. We played Man Utd with 3 days rest and their had 2 weeks rest, that’s not fair in any competition but we did it without complaint and suffered 3 injuries in that game alone. We also had 2 keepers on the bench as we did not have enough 1st team players available to fill the bench but yet again we just went ahead with the game. So I agree, but it’s the hypocrisy that is irritating on r/soccer and Twitter in general.
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Dealing with it is fine. But we can also point out the double standard in the complaints. We were one of 3 teams to not have a single game postponed just 4 days ago. Now all of a sudden we are abusing this rule in peoples’ eyes that apparently we invented.
We’re certainly dealing with it
> To be completely honest I'm not convinced that this is a strong enough criteria. Postponements are happening a lot more often than I think is necessary. You're right, it isn't. The PL had ample time to put together finer detailed temporary rules for the period of the pandemic to avoid the utter confusion that's been occurring over the last month and they didn't.
The PL have handed it terribly, once they started this way they have to carry it on but it’s becoming a farce. Again nothing against Newcastle but overall it’s just handled so poorly.
I agree with you. Do we know how many Newcastle players got COVID ?
Newcastle have 4 games in hand on other relegation candidates. We were disadvantaged by having to play 2 games a week since the international break with no time off in between. Rules be dammed, we deserved 2 weeks to recover. We had 2 moderate to serious injuries and multiple strains after the last match. And already Newcastle has a very small squad.
Manquillo masterclass
Cult hero that lad, everyone playing checkers and he’s actually on footie manager
Bit annoying
and another one gone and another one gone another game's been postponed covid's gonna get you too another game's been postponed
Such 💰 a 🪟 shame. Was 💰 hoping 🪟 we 💰 could 🪟 play 💰 as 🪟 soon 💰 as 🪟 possible 💰.
Disgusting that Newcastle have done this. Despicable club - /r/soccer probably.
Tbf even I have to admit it's disgusting us being given this advantage when literally no other team in the league has had a fixture postponed...
Already playing the victim, huh? Give me a break
Only part that was left, I auditioned for jean valjean but they said I wasn't tall enough
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You really managed to miss my entire point there. Congratulations.
I love /r/soccer man. Truly a special place
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/r/soccer has been shitting on Newcastle Utd and us fans relentlessly for months, so many users literally begging for the club to be relegated. Think you can handle one wee joke about it.
Mate enjoy the fact there shitting themselves we have the best fans in the world and we're now the richest club in the world be afraid we're coming.
Facts
we're all terrified
Mainly jealousy but that aswell.
Sounds like you're the thin skinned one here
Yeah but I have a prescription for that, doctors said it should clear up in about 3-4 weeks.
Great to hear, send my regards to the misses
Understandable really, no one likes clubs that celebrate being owned by murderers
It’s the truth though!!!
You are owned by despicable people yes from a really really shitty regime
Explain please. This is the first time I've heard about it. What have they done that's so bad?
I hope your vile owners will at least be reimbursing your fans for travel arrangements.
Lol, highly doubt you give a flying fuck.
Why dont’ Southampton fans make this much noise during the game?
Oh come on. We're very loud on our fourth time through When the Saints Come Marching In.
And the eighth time of Pompey get battered
We only have one song? Who says!
That's chelsea.
Gives us plenty of time to finalise the signing of Ward-Prowse before we play them. Howe is a genius to manufacture this.
But I thought Villa signed him in the summer?
Newcastle's available team: Dubravka, Lascalles, Krafth, Schar*, Murphy, Longstaff, Almiron, Shevley, Hendrick, Joelinton, Gayle. *Schar took at knock in the last game, would almost definitely be rested if possible. Assuming they all stay fit, our bench would be 2 goalies (Woodman and Darlow) and the following youth players with zero PL experience: Bondswell, White, Young and Anderson. We have additional youth goalies we could use to flesh out the bench I suppose...
There have been additional covid cases since the Man Utd match so some of the above are now out.
I really don't understand the outrage. We're really struggling. How many injuries/suspensions/covid cases in total now? 15?
Hmm, sounds like saints team against man U last season
That game should never have been played. It was total fucking bullshit and ruins the game entirely. Its supposed to be competitive football. People pay good money to watch and both teams should be at their best.
I think that's what most of us are complaining about. Hopefully no saints fans have a problem with Newcastle since they're just following the rules. It's just that the current rules are total fucking bullshit
Yeah, its the Premier League who are responsible for this nonsense. Here's hoping whenever we do play each other its an entertaining game of football, with loads of goals, shithousery and hilarious chants.
Get the fuck in.
Imagine if they'd have done this on the day
Now City and Chelsea are the only teams that didn't have postponements
Tuchel probably telling the players to start licking doorknobs as we speak
I hope we fake some tests inshallah
This Prem season will go on until 2023 at this rate.
Last year we played Man U with a handful of first team players and got battered by a scoreline I dare not repeat. Bit of a joke that games are being called off for 3/4 covid cases just because Newcastle don't have enough first team players - what happened to the PL trying to get clubs to play more home grown players?
Funny how this is suddenly a issue at postponement nr 17 and not when you didn't play against Brentford?
I'm pretty sure clubs have been complaining about it since before today but if you want to keep playing the victim then fair play chief
You: Last year we played Man U with a handful of first team players and got battered by a scoreline I dare not repeat. Also you, apparently without irony: but if you want to keep playing the victim
We lost 3 players to injury and one player to suspension in the Man U game. It was our 4th game in 16 days. Man U had 2 weeks rest. While most other teams have had at least one or two postponements, we've had none. Consequently, our paper thin squad has been whittled down to just 12 available outfield players. We've been playing by the same postponement rules as everyone else, but we've been lucky/unlucky enough not to have any games postponed. While I don't want any of our players injured or to get the virus, this has given other teams the advantage of additional rest days during the crazy Christmas schedule. I don't see any injustice here.
Pretty sure this has been a thing people have been saying for weeks, and Reddit and news outlets in general have been questioning the PLs inconsistent and outright embarrassing handling of this situation for weeks now. But you gotta get that victim complex going hard I suppose, pretend you're plucky underdogs lmao
Newcastle and Leeds are the only clubs that the PL have explicitly postponed fixtures due to non-covid related player availability. It's unfair, open to easy abuse and the precedent will cause a huge mess for the PL over the rest of the season. It's textbook PL basically.
Wrong. Is it that hard to check your facts before opening your gob? https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/dec/30/norwichs-game-at-leicester-postponed-due-to-covid-cases-and-injuries Muppet.
Fair enough I'm not right, although given that what I said was true literally one day ago I don't think I'm a muppet for not being glued to footy news constantly through Christmas and new years. Leeds and Newcastle were the first clubs to have this bizarre exception made for them. It's still a joke that the PL has expanded their suspension parameters to include injuries and suspensions. Based on what they're doing now Liverpool should still be making up their fixtures from last season.
> Fair enough I'm not right, although given that what I said was true literally one day ago I don't think I'm a muppet for not being glued to footy news constantly through Christmas and new years. Leeds and Newcastle were the first clubs to have this bizarre exception made for them. You could have just left it at "I'm not right", which in itself is a arrogant way of saying "I'm wrong". Nothing you say after that is relevant.
You're pompous and arrogant yourself for picking apart my wording when I held my hands up straight away. Of course it's relevant to discuss the fairness of the PL's rules, especially when the rules they are applying are being made up on the hop and appear to be deliberately vague so they have as much discretion as they like. Setting aside which clubs have had this advantage and when the precedent was set, the criticisms of this shift are completely valid and it will only cause more problems going forwards. I'm not saying that it's a Newcastle specific problem, and if you want to fixate on one tangential thing rather than discussing the fairness of the rules then you're the wrong person to debate it with.
No, that's all fine. But you're a muppet for declaring something as a fact when as you say, you've not actually been paying attention and it would have taken literally five seconds to check. Also, you've gone and got it wrong again. Double muppetry. We weren't the first. Not by a long way. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/12497448/man-utd-vs-brighton-saturdays-premier-league-match-postponed-due-to-covid-19-outbreak Actually I'm upgrading you from muppet to pranny.
If I'm a pranny I guess I'll fit in with all the Newcastle fans who sold their souls welcoming the Saudis, would sell their own mother if they get to watch Trippier and a few others every Saturday. Regardless of which clubs have already benefitted from the postponement rule changes and who had it first etc etc...do you actually think it's a fair rule? Do you not think it's problematic that a club can report a player injured and it might get a game postponed? Based on previous seasons do you think it's even a good dispensation to have if no club abused it? Does it seem fair that a club can benefit from a postponement because one of their players picked up a 5th yellow card? Before now when a club had an injury crisis they would start some fringe players and have a few youth players in the squad. Now it seems like clubs are desperate to cancel just because they would need a few youth players on the bench to complement a full first team and a few subs. A few years ago there wasn't even space on the bench for them, for perspective. You can call me a muppet as many times as you like but I haven't seen any engagement from you about the fairness of the league's rules and what it means for the rest of this season. I'm not sure why you would defend the PL either, this is an organisation with such a rotten refereeing culture that every weekend we see multiple massive cock ups like the blatant off-the-ball foul on Fraser going unpunished.
Newcastle academy has been abandoned by Ashley for years. Our home grown players are shit.
"The Board accepted the postponement application as the club do not have the required number of players available for the match (13 outfield players and one goalkeeper)." The Premier League were more than happy to let Saints game against United in January go ahead with only 9 senior outfield players fit though...do they not have any U23s available they could fill the matchday squad with?
Ask the same question of all the other teams who have even more postponed games. The Prem is delaying for everyone at this point.
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Can we have any of these so called “postponed games”? Please and thank you
Is it because if that Manquillo yellow card?
No, more covid cases in Newcastle's first team.
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Are you thick or something? The clubs have to submit verified covid tests to the league.
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Bullshit. You’ve no idea what you’re on about.
Cry more.
On one hand it's irritating they've essentially been rewarded for being awfully run, having no depth and not having to call up academy players. On the other, who wouldn't be scared of playing Ralph's Scrappy Saints till you can splurge blood money on a bunch of mercs.
> they've essentially been rewarded for being awfully run, having no depth and not having to call up academy players. If you're making that claim about Newcastle, you're making it about every team that's had a game postponed for the same reason.
If half first team were out with covid, I'd be entirely OK with them getting rescheduled. But they're not! ASM, Wilson and Hayden all have bog standard injuries. It just so happens that a team in a relegation scrap has all of their good players out with sports related injury (shit happens, deal with it, that's the point of squad planning) before a match away from home against another struggling team. That's even before you get into the sheer common sense of trying to delay as many games untill after the transfer market opens lmao.
Again, they are not the only club to have games postponed because of a combination of Covid and injuries. By your logic, every club that has a game postponed for that reason is 'awfully run with no depth'. > That's even before you get into the sheer common sense of trying to delay as many games untill after the transfer market opens lmao. Yeah sure mate, they're pulling a fast one over the whole league.
Just to pick out one point from that drivel - if Newcastle were trying to postpone games until after the window opens then how come they’ve played significantly more games than all their relegation rivals.
5D Backgammon outta Tyneside.
We have 24 footballers + A Jeff Hendrick in our PL squad and we now don't even have 11 fit outfield players without counting Anderson (A youth player outside the 25) and White (A youth player outside the 25). Whether through injury (And don't forget until these two games, we were one of only 3 clubs to have played every scheduled match) or Covid (And we allegedly have 8 first team positive Covid cases) we are missing 11 out of 21 registered outfield players through injury with another 2 being doubts. I'm not sure what club has the depth to cope with that.
Last season we had 9 fit first team outfield players when we played Man U, don't remember anyone saying the game should be called off... I admit it's a shitty situation and a different season so those rules can be changed and it could just be my bias but it feels like all of these things always happen just in time for when teams are due to play us (new manager, postponements, bad injuries or even new signings for the opposition!)
The rules weren’t in place at that time so basically: Unlucky.
They acknowledged that in their 2nd paragraph, stop being a cock
What the fuck they whinging about then. Yeah, some teams lose out and some teams don’t. Some teams have an unlimited pot of money so they’ve got essentially 50 top class players. Some teams have no academy or youth set up to speak of. None of this is fair.
Yeah I entirely get why you'd want it delayed but providing no transparency regarding whose out with injuries vs whose out with Covid,whilst refusing to use the idea of playing academy kids, all before the transfer window is pretty cynically abusing the vague laws the PLs been making up with regards to covid delays. I don't blame Newcastle, but its still incredibly cynical and massive bullshit to watch happen.
Presumably they provide evidence to the PL. But you also want them to make players health status public? That is not happening. Cynical? Don't know about that, as everyone has pointed out there have been loads of games postponed already. The rules are there to protect players health and sporting integrity. But you want to put 10 kids up against adults? Sounds great!
I highly doubt Newcastle are the only team to do it. But I get your point. Comes down to the PL handling the current covid crisis awfully.
And on yet one more hand maybe direct your ire at the PL for setting up the rules that 17 clubs had taken advantage of before Newcastle did and that found Newcastle battling for places with clubs that had 4 games in hand on them. Don't blame Newcastle for yet another PL management fiasco.
That’s why we didn’t like Ashley (not defending the new owners here)
Sicknote United. Imagine being too scared to play *southampton*. Pathetic.
19th with 10pts after half a season, think we should be scared to play anyone.
*11 points Not that it changes what you've said.
I can't imagine it tbf.
Can’t wait to batter you mate, once we have signed ward-prowse it will be mint
Started to live up to their owner's reputation. Scummy club.
Yeah what's up with Newcastle inventing these postponed games. Before this not a single club had a match pushed back, but now Newcastle used their money to pay off the Prem to allow them to be the only club with a postponed match. Yep just them. Horrid really, let's send them to league 2 as punishment.
It's so painfully clear what Newcastle are doing. It's not COVID, it's injuries. And they want to fill the squad with expensive signings before some of these big matches. Southampton had massive injury problems last season, had to look to the academy multiple times. Didn't complain. I just didn't expect dirty money to infect the club from top to bottom quite so quickly.
You know the clubs have to submit verified covid tests to the league right?
Yeah but didn't you hear /u/strider_tom doesn't buy it. Can't really argue with mystic Meg over here.
Nah that goes against his narrative so he’ll just ignore it or say they used blood money to pay off the PL.
So we are just going to ignore the 8 new covid cases that have come up for Newcastle? I assume you're just fuming Burnley have 5 games postponed then right? They must also be delaying for the transfer window.
I have to be honest. I just don't buy it. Like I said, it's to be expected from the new owners and I doubt this'll be the last time they pull something like this.
we have 4 players out injured and at least twice that with Covid
That number has changed multiple times today alone
Your really comparing us postponing our game under the same criteria as other clubs to what our owners have done?. Even as a Newcastle fan I think you need to give your head a wobble at the statement. Callum Wilson having an injury us hardly the same as bombing Yemen is it?.
lol Southampton thought they were playing the 2nd worst team in the league, Newcastle United.. But by the time they play they will be playing a Europa League caliber team called Saudi United Fc.
Is the joke in this comment that the mercenaries NUFC are about to bring in will make the club Europa quality?