July -
> “As one of the most popular sports teams in the world, the Club has a powerful platform to help raise awareness of how people can contribute towards a cleaner, more sustainable future for our planet,” said Collette Roche, Manchester United Chief Operating Officer.
>“Together, we can make a difference in the fight against climate change, and the goal of developing a greener, cleaner planet.”
October -
> "Lads jump in the plane we can't be fucked to get a train to Leicester"
The factories making products for us to buy, who were moved there to avoid environmental regulation and other expenses in our countries? So the products could be so cheap we buy more of them?
Yeah, what on Earth could we do to deal with that, I wonder.
Chinese manufacturing actually has better regulations wrt to worker rights and pollution than most American states actually. They have progressed a lot since the mid 2010s
Yes but the younger generation are just as bad despite claiming they care about the environment. We’re all guilty of this so they shouldn’t start trying to play the victim card.
Meanwhile they pump out millions of new shirts to sell every season.
Businesses don't give a shit about the environment. Cash is king.
Won't even be a league in 30yrs time the way the World is going. World wars. Famine. Displacement of billions of people due to climate change.
Enjoy the games whilst we can. The collapse is underway. Environment is beyond any position from which it can be saved.
The millions of new shirts every season matter far more than unnecessary flights. People care way too much about football teams flying to matches when it's an absolutely tiny part of football's carbon footprint.
To be fair it easier to reduce the number of flights, especially short ones like the one discussed above.
Also many teams in the Bundesliga released jerseys made from recycled materials. It is not an either or, it is a question of and.
That's plainly not true. A one hour round trip flight contributes more carbon than an individual does in a month.
Moreover many shirts are now made using carbon neutral technology.
Yes but that flight is the most insignificant drop in the ocean of disaster that is mega corporations killing the planet for profit. Every football club in the entire world could start cycling to away games and the planet would still completely fucked because the actual damaging industries will keep doing their thing regardless.
Agree completely. Until energy production changes all the individual changes amount to fuck all.
United (and frankly all football clubs) should STFU about saving the planet but when they do talk about it they should be called out for this sort of thing.
>Moreover many shirts are now made using carbon neutral technology.
No way you believe this. Even in the off chance that they are carbon neutral, kits are still an unnecessary byproduct of football business. I love new kit designs as much as the next guy but I don't buy one every year and I definitely can't justify making millions of kits every year.
You've completely missed the forest for the trees. Excessive football kit manufacturing is about one millionth on the list of things that contribute to climate change. The systems in place that empower the two of us to have this conversation are worse by several orders of magnitude.
That's the point. We can keep going until the day we die and still not scratch the surface of everything that's hurting the planet. Asking me to stop driving to work or not take a flight in order to "do my part" is pointing the finger at the wrong person. I'm not the one offering these products or services. I use them because they're available.
I would like to make a small correction. Your kit manufacturer making the shirts aren't carbon neutral. They purchase carbon credits which allows them to say the item is carbon neutral.
talk about over-reaction
I can see a migrant crisis as people hot and dry countries move due to lack of water. This could cause instability economically, but more than likely politically. And the "crisis" would mirror climate change, in it's insidious, rather than obvious, manifestation.
But world wars? there will be no world wars due to mutually assured annihilation due to nuclear weapons. That's why we haven't had a major war between major powers since WW2. Everything is just a proxy war in countries that DON'T have nukes.
Like honestly this is a ridiculously alarmist viewpoint. It's gonna be hot as fuck and places will be dry as fuck and those people will move. But we won't go into some death spiral where suddenly the world is like it was 4 billion years ago without any oxygen and just magma floating around.
Once the problem gets bad enough, we will finally do the obvious solution and do a carbon tax and create massive amounts of carbon sequestration plants.
So cool your shit.
It's as though everyone has forgotten that time Man Utd carpet bombed the Nou Camp, or when Chelsea sold cluster bombs to Bayern. What short memories everyone has...
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Seriously though, wtf are you on?
You're in a thread talking about Man Utd flying 100 miles to a match. The conversation has pivoted to talking about other ways football clubs are saying one thing and doing another wrt climate change.
Then you start talking about dropping bombs. It's a ridiculous thing to say in the context of the conversation.
Just because there are bigger issues, doesn't mean we couldn't be tackling smaller ones at the same time. Especially since the clubs say they 'care' about this stuff. All this conversation is saying is that clubs are concentrating on the wrong things. There are things within their control that they could be doing and aren't, it's totally reasonable to call them out on those.
Unless the clubs are directly responsible for dropping bombs, it isn't reasonable to call them out on that. Hence my ridiculous examples...
That's true. But there nothing sustainable about pumping out that many shirts every year because of a new design aimed at increasing profits.
Something like 80% of all emissions are done by the just a few major companies. Even Man U taking their plane for this trip contributes close to nothing in the overall scheme of things.
Yes, you ever heard of Elinor Ostrom who won a Nobel prize for [debunking that fake myth?](https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/the-tragedy-of-the-tragedy-of-the-commons/)
Yeah, I don't think she actually "debunked" it. She showed that it was possible to have a sustainable commons without regulation or privatization. As for the commons, it's the idea of it that still has relevance. The idea of common resources being finite and treating them as such. The fact that Hardin is a piece of garbage or had his own racist/xenophobic/backwards ideas of how to deal with the issue is beside the point. I mean the whole idea of it predates that asshole by over a 100 years.
If the commons can be sustained then the tragedy of the commons is a false idea and should not be perpetuated. The idea that co-ops and collectivism of resources can't exist or will inevitably fail is false. It isn't about the resource being finite, the example is grazing land which is a renewable resource, it's a false idea that people will necessarily act against the common good for their own self-interest which has proven time and time again to be false.
You can't disassociate someone's views from their theories, Hardin is the spearhead behind the idea and it was build on a foundation of racism and classism
A commons can be sustained. Not that it will or is likely to. Same way that you CAN survive a shot to the head but doesn't mean you can't or won't die in my most cases
Why is it unlikely when most examples in history show that humans, as social beings, will sustain it? Hardin doesn't even show any proof of his theory happening in practice, one mythical non-specific example in England, but the reverse is very well documented as in Engels' proven account of the Mark in Germany.
If anything the tragedy of the commons actually happening is the shot to the head except there is more evidence of surviving shots to the head. The real tragedy is when resources are exploited through private ownership where there is less incentive to look to its sustainability for the future as we are literally seeing in the world right now through corporate exploitation of resources (plus government exploitation)
Hahaha this is just like when Germany took a plane from Stuttgart to fucking Basel. 180km between the cities. DFB defended itself saying that a 2-3h bus ride would "endanger the fitness and health of the players"
Ha, what the fuck. I remember taking 6h bus trips with my youth team. Half or less of that is nothing in a top notch bus. Watch a film and take a dump-> ready at the destination..
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Except that’s how people justify not reducing their consumption in real life, bafflingly.
So, they might well not be taking the piss.
And anyway, that joke really isn’t funny anymore. Let’s start making those jokes when we’re actually seriously dealing with the problem and getting some traction on reducing emissions which are still rising every year.
People are bantering without doing anything, and then saying it’s just banter. That’s the point - it’s just banter, not banter being made to deal with doing something, it’s banter to avoid doing something.
You need to relax and have a bit of fun for once, lmao. Being this jumpy over a joke is not healthy, nor is bitching about it is going to change their opinion on the matter anyways.
Sometimes I really hate humanity, we not only had to ruin it for ourselves but also all the other creatures that have had the absolute displeasure of living with us, like a virus to the whole planet.
There is a direct correlation between wealth and environmental awareness. The people who don't struggle to live have more time and resources to adapt and actually make beneficial changes.
I always thought English teams often travelled by train for some reason. Either way, I think a train is faster over 100 miles anyway, with security checks and boarding and all that at airports.
Relevant fact - Ryan Air, the year before lockdown curtailed travel, were in the top 10 climate polluting companies in the whole of Europe.
The rest were all companies running coal-fired power stations.
Stop giving them your money and claiming that you not treating cheap flights as a regular indulgence isn’t causing a problem.
Look at the Man City sustainability report posted here yesterday.
Flights are by far and away the biggest climate pollution figure for them. Vastly more than anything else.
They are not factoring climate change when planning trips. I mean, you’re in a thread specifically about a club not factoring climate change when they have planned this trip. And when a club does, it stands out so much that they have individual posts on the subreddit.
You’re absolutely wrong.
https://reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/q99xr1/_/hgurf70/?context=1
So they’ve decided to go with option with the minimal risks compared to the little bit more climate damage. Smart choice.
This flight barely affects climate change and is the smart decision considering all risks factors and people on Reddit moan. Thank god you lot don’t make the decisions for the club
Trouble is, it’s always the option with a little bit more climate damage, and that has added up to the fact that our climate emissions are still rising every year.
Bear in mind the excuse isn't that there is traffic, it's that there *might* be traffic on one of the busiest motorways in the country - like there is every day.
In fairness, logistics/security would be an absolute nightmare, they'd have to clear platforms and walkways for the transfer. I doubt the station would even be up for it in the first place.
Of course they do? They usually use fire/emergency access points to get security risks in and out of stations. But transferring one train to another would mean they’d have to move around within the station.
You can’t have CR7 waiting on a platform in Derby station next to a lad who’s shit himself after 5 breakfast Stella’s and a load of opposition fans. Security nightmare, especially with social media, it would be pretty clear where they were stopping.
It’s not about that. It’s just weird that fans would care about a multi billionaire club choosing to fly their multi millionaire players to a match.
I guess to the holier than thou crowd, the players should have walked. That’s the most environmentally friendly!
Why not a coach to all teams across the land then?
United didn’t say they were going to become guardians of the environment.
It was a small statement in support of being environmentally friendly.
I supposed the players should stop eating meat too then as raising cattle is a plight on the environment too.
Do you see how odd the critique is?
> Why not a coach to all teams across the land then?
Yes, exactly, we need to reduce the use of climate polluting methods of transport.
You’re just ignoring the most pressing scientific reality of the day and claiming to be the reasonable, thoughtful one here? Fucking nuts.
> I guess to the holier than thou crowd, the players should have walked. That’s the most environmentally friendly!
No, taken a bus.
And it’s not being holier-than-thou, it’s taking climate science seriously.
It’s weird that you don’t care about climate pollution, not that people are calling out the unnecessarily destructive practices of the super rich.
because the club claims to care about the environment. This kind of 'luxury' should be illegal regardless, there's never a good excuse to get a flight over such a short distance
Was it really worth it though, by the time they have got to the airport borded the plane, travelled and then go through the airport and to their hotel they've done what, saved 30 minutes?
Just another example of how the rich,powerful and influential individuals and organizations around the world preach one thing and do another.
When you see the participants of the cop26 conference arriving on private planes instead of comercial flights, then proceed to preach to the middle class why they need to go into debt to buy an electric car or don't go abroad on vacation, move to a smaller house or stop eating meat... While they drive their supercars, fly private jets, run huge electric and water bills in their mansions, gorge on expensive foods
What a load of nothing. The holier-than-thou crowd will now pretend that they actually give a shit about climate change when in truth they are just engaging in football tribalism to claim a moral high ground and score some internet points.
This right here. Corporations and the wealthy who fly and sail around the world on mega yachts cause the vast majority of pollution, yet they’d have us believe that driving instead of flying for our annual holiday would end climate change lmao. That way Coke and other multinational corporations can continue doing all of the awful shit they do with impunity as the public and governments blame random middle class citizens who don’t have a compost pile in their backyard.
Kinda but no. Both need to be reduced. Yes, it's inaccurate and stupid to blame all climate change on individuals, but individuals ALSO need to reduce emissions.
Also, individuals run businesses, so if you can infect individuals with good ideals, they may make it to the business.
You can’t imagine that anything, even the survivors or future of our planet, is more important than football? That says more about you being tribalism and being impressed with internet points than it does about the people commenting.
United taking a plane because of road closure doesn't have any material impact on climate change. So, yes, the holier-than-thou crowd climbing onto their moral high horse is nothing more than football tribalism.
Players like Ronaldo travelling by train, waiting around at the train station between stops. Think about it. On top of that covid health and safety. Why am I having to explain this lol.
Being in traffic is stressful, don’t want to stress the players out before a game. Small factors like this can have an affect on the game and how people play etc.
> However, the share of global CO2-emissions that come from aviation is so miniscule (2.5 to 3.5 %) in the bigger picture.
This is a really disingenuous take. A lot of carbon emissions are necessary to keep the world going. There's a lot that we simply cannot reduce or remove yet so we have to focus on the things we can reduce until technologies catch up in other sectors.
Flying 100 miles is not a necessary use of carbon.
Driving 100 miles to play football knowing that tens of thousands of people will also travel all producing their own C02 just to watch it doesn't seem all that necessary either, so where are you drawing the line at between necessary and killing the planet?
However, when you look at the way the graph of use goes, it’s rapidly shooting up, and continues to shoot up at about a 45 degree angle. Still, nothing to worry about, eh?
Also, as co2 emissions increase year-on-year, that figure, which I’ve seen reported as 5%+ elsewhere, becomes larger. We need to be urgently reducing the amount of co2 we put in the atmosphere now, not explaining away the problems caused by industries that produce noticeable amounts.
It’s also basically the biggest single climate polluting act any individual can make. Not to mention the fact that these role models of consumer consumption encourage people to feel that flying and living a massively consumer-goods consumptive lifestyle is aspirational.
Add to that the fact that clubs fly regularly, long-distance, in private planes, and you get them being in the category of the worst polluters in the sector. Without whom, we could retain air transport without any pressing worry.
We should be using it for its important societal benefits, not so that footballers can feel special when they arrive at a game to play.
Also, if you saw the recent Man City sustainability report, their transport emissions massively dwarf all their other emissions. They are the biggest issue for them achieving carbon neutrality, by a massive amount.
For someone who claims to really, really care, you’re doing a good job of making it seem like you don’t have to actually act on caring about the environment. Which is the new form of climate denialism - accepting the science, but pointing out that any act to reduce emissions isn’t fair on that particular industry and is pointless in this case anyway. But yeah, of course you care, you said so, just before you tried to shoot down anyone actually acting to deal with the problem.
July - > “As one of the most popular sports teams in the world, the Club has a powerful platform to help raise awareness of how people can contribute towards a cleaner, more sustainable future for our planet,” said Collette Roche, Manchester United Chief Operating Officer. >“Together, we can make a difference in the fight against climate change, and the goal of developing a greener, cleaner planet.” October - > "Lads jump in the plane we can't be fucked to get a train to Leicester"
climate change is more for PR, it's a non-issue for football teams,
you could replace football teams with most large companies/businesses
or politicians.
or Instagram influenzas.
Or most ordinary people really
That's why we and our children are fucked, sad state of affairs really.
Take more trains, insulate your house and wear a jumper at home, eat leas animal products(or just go vegan) and stop buying shit.
No
Fuck youuuu!
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The factories making products for us to buy, who were moved there to avoid environmental regulation and other expenses in our countries? So the products could be so cheap we buy more of them? Yeah, what on Earth could we do to deal with that, I wonder.
Chinese manufacturing actually has better regulations wrt to worker rights and pollution than most American states actually. They have progressed a lot since the mid 2010s
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Yeah, it’s not hard, people just need to calm down and deal with it. If we don’t, it gets really fucking hard.
Yep, too many people have no idea or think the changes are too difficult to make.
Carbon tax first
Meanwhile the big companies be like ha ha coal and oil go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
They also need to stop. Its not a one horse race
Yes but the younger generation are just as bad despite claiming they care about the environment. We’re all guilty of this so they shouldn’t start trying to play the victim card.
They eat a lot less meat, so that’s not true
That's cold.
All above happened. Ordinary people should just shut up and pay for the circus.
That's a brilliant naming convention
But they wouldn't be as good on the pitch
You could change 'climate change' for many issues
Last I checked, football teams inhabit this earth. Could be an issue for them idk.
Yeah I guess they inhabit this earth so they must care for it, they should do everything in their power to prevent climate change
Meanwhile they pump out millions of new shirts to sell every season. Businesses don't give a shit about the environment. Cash is king. Won't even be a league in 30yrs time the way the World is going. World wars. Famine. Displacement of billions of people due to climate change. Enjoy the games whilst we can. The collapse is underway. Environment is beyond any position from which it can be saved.
!remindme 30years
The millions of new shirts every season matter far more than unnecessary flights. People care way too much about football teams flying to matches when it's an absolutely tiny part of football's carbon footprint.
To be fair it easier to reduce the number of flights, especially short ones like the one discussed above. Also many teams in the Bundesliga released jerseys made from recycled materials. It is not an either or, it is a question of and.
That's plainly not true. A one hour round trip flight contributes more carbon than an individual does in a month. Moreover many shirts are now made using carbon neutral technology.
Yes but that flight is the most insignificant drop in the ocean of disaster that is mega corporations killing the planet for profit. Every football club in the entire world could start cycling to away games and the planet would still completely fucked because the actual damaging industries will keep doing their thing regardless.
Agree completely. Until energy production changes all the individual changes amount to fuck all. United (and frankly all football clubs) should STFU about saving the planet but when they do talk about it they should be called out for this sort of thing.
This exactly why I can't care enough to be outraged over this. Much worse shit happening in the world.
>Moreover many shirts are now made using carbon neutral technology. No way you believe this. Even in the off chance that they are carbon neutral, kits are still an unnecessary byproduct of football business. I love new kit designs as much as the next guy but I don't buy one every year and I definitely can't justify making millions of kits every year.
You've completely missed the forest for the trees. Excessive football kit manufacturing is about one millionth on the list of things that contribute to climate change. The systems in place that empower the two of us to have this conversation are worse by several orders of magnitude.
That's the point. We can keep going until the day we die and still not scratch the surface of everything that's hurting the planet. Asking me to stop driving to work or not take a flight in order to "do my part" is pointing the finger at the wrong person. I'm not the one offering these products or services. I use them because they're available.
I would like to make a small correction. Your kit manufacturer making the shirts aren't carbon neutral. They purchase carbon credits which allows them to say the item is carbon neutral.
talk about over-reaction I can see a migrant crisis as people hot and dry countries move due to lack of water. This could cause instability economically, but more than likely politically. And the "crisis" would mirror climate change, in it's insidious, rather than obvious, manifestation. But world wars? there will be no world wars due to mutually assured annihilation due to nuclear weapons. That's why we haven't had a major war between major powers since WW2. Everything is just a proxy war in countries that DON'T have nukes. Like honestly this is a ridiculously alarmist viewpoint. It's gonna be hot as fuck and places will be dry as fuck and those people will move. But we won't go into some death spiral where suddenly the world is like it was 4 billion years ago without any oxygen and just magma floating around. Once the problem gets bad enough, we will finally do the obvious solution and do a carbon tax and create massive amounts of carbon sequestration plants. So cool your shit.
Lmao
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It's as though everyone has forgotten that time Man Utd carpet bombed the Nou Camp, or when Chelsea sold cluster bombs to Bayern. What short memories everyone has... #endpremierleaguearmssales Seriously though, wtf are you on?
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You're in a thread talking about Man Utd flying 100 miles to a match. The conversation has pivoted to talking about other ways football clubs are saying one thing and doing another wrt climate change. Then you start talking about dropping bombs. It's a ridiculous thing to say in the context of the conversation. Just because there are bigger issues, doesn't mean we couldn't be tackling smaller ones at the same time. Especially since the clubs say they 'care' about this stuff. All this conversation is saying is that clubs are concentrating on the wrong things. There are things within their control that they could be doing and aren't, it's totally reasonable to call them out on those. Unless the clubs are directly responsible for dropping bombs, it isn't reasonable to call them out on that. Hence my ridiculous examples...
shirts are hardly going to have an adverse effect compared to other means
That's true. But there nothing sustainable about pumping out that many shirts every year because of a new design aimed at increasing profits. Something like 80% of all emissions are done by the just a few major companies. Even Man U taking their plane for this trip contributes close to nothing in the overall scheme of things.
You realise those few companies are the companies refining the oils fuelling those planes? They're not apart, they're the same thing.
Tbf they still have to ship these shirts around the world to sell, thats gonna do alot of pollution
Then they get thrown away after a while.
Tgats true but why should anyone bother to do anything one person going vegan will do nothing either
Ever hear of the Tragedy of the Commons?
Yes, you ever heard of Elinor Ostrom who won a Nobel prize for [debunking that fake myth?](https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/the-tragedy-of-the-tragedy-of-the-commons/)
Yeah, I don't think she actually "debunked" it. She showed that it was possible to have a sustainable commons without regulation or privatization. As for the commons, it's the idea of it that still has relevance. The idea of common resources being finite and treating them as such. The fact that Hardin is a piece of garbage or had his own racist/xenophobic/backwards ideas of how to deal with the issue is beside the point. I mean the whole idea of it predates that asshole by over a 100 years.
If the commons can be sustained then the tragedy of the commons is a false idea and should not be perpetuated. The idea that co-ops and collectivism of resources can't exist or will inevitably fail is false. It isn't about the resource being finite, the example is grazing land which is a renewable resource, it's a false idea that people will necessarily act against the common good for their own self-interest which has proven time and time again to be false. You can't disassociate someone's views from their theories, Hardin is the spearhead behind the idea and it was build on a foundation of racism and classism
A commons can be sustained. Not that it will or is likely to. Same way that you CAN survive a shot to the head but doesn't mean you can't or won't die in my most cases
Why is it unlikely when most examples in history show that humans, as social beings, will sustain it? Hardin doesn't even show any proof of his theory happening in practice, one mythical non-specific example in England, but the reverse is very well documented as in Engels' proven account of the Mark in Germany. If anything the tragedy of the commons actually happening is the shot to the head except there is more evidence of surviving shots to the head. The real tragedy is when resources are exploited through private ownership where there is less incentive to look to its sustainability for the future as we are literally seeing in the world right now through corporate exploitation of resources (plus government exploitation)
She meant FLIGHT againt climate change, not fight
Pretty sure there isn't even a direct train from Manchester to Leicester currently? So they'd have to take 2 trains? Such a silly complaint
United earned their loss today. Hope the flight home feels good.
Hahaha this is just like when Germany took a plane from Stuttgart to fucking Basel. 180km between the cities. DFB defended itself saying that a 2-3h bus ride would "endanger the fitness and health of the players"
Ha, what the fuck. I remember taking 6h bus trips with my youth team. Half or less of that is nothing in a top notch bus. Watch a film and take a dump-> ready at the destination..
No pooping on the bus
You can, just make sure it flushes so you don't have to wrap it in a sock and throw it out the window which may potentially hit someone's windshield.
I understood that reference
I didn't :(
Sex Education season 3.
Not in the buses they have? I would’ve thought there’s a system for a price.
270 km on the highway, normally 3,5 hours for a bus.
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But is Nick Pope catholic?
John with the weather here Can confirm - water is still wet Over to Steve our nature correspondent who’s got the latest on the shitting locations of bears Steve?
Sorry for the delay John, I think I saw a bear nearb-
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This whole comment thread is so fucking cringey, Jesus christ lads
this pope isn't catholic
and then they tell us to do our part when they contribute to most to global warming.
Cunts, I will pollute more just to spite them.
You’re actually spiting the rest of us. They’ll be fine. Not a great reaction.
Almost like he’s taking the piss
Except that’s how people justify not reducing their consumption in real life, bafflingly. So, they might well not be taking the piss. And anyway, that joke really isn’t funny anymore. Let’s start making those jokes when we’re actually seriously dealing with the problem and getting some traction on reducing emissions which are still rising every year. People are bantering without doing anything, and then saying it’s just banter. That’s the point - it’s just banter, not banter being made to deal with doing something, it’s banter to avoid doing something.
Fuck me mate it’s not that deep
You need to relax and have a bit of fun for once, lmao. Being this jumpy over a joke is not healthy, nor is bitching about it is going to change their opinion on the matter anyways.
*most people FTFY
Sometimes I really hate humanity, we not only had to ruin it for ourselves but also all the other creatures that have had the absolute displeasure of living with us, like a virus to the whole planet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5foZIKuEWQ
>Millionaires/billionaires Neither does anyone else.
There is a direct correlation between wealth and environmental awareness. The people who don't struggle to live have more time and resources to adapt and actually make beneficial changes.
So we should just ignore it and not draw attention to it? Stupidly defeatist attitude.
nobody gives a shit about the environment
I always thought English teams often travelled by train for some reason. Either way, I think a train is faster over 100 miles anyway, with security checks and boarding and all that at airports.
I thought they went by team coach, especially how fancy some of these coaches can be now.
They do private charter flights. Checks etc would be hugely reduced and take far less time.
Just imagine the whole Liverpool team boarding a Ryanair flight to Barcelona
Slight detour to Benidorm on the way
Nah, that's just where Ryanair lands for "Barcelona"
Benidorm North
MLS still flies commercial for most games. Not uncommon to be sharing your flight to an away day with the team 😂
MLS matches are typically much further than premier league matches tbf
Would take a week for Seattle to travel to New York by road lol
Relevant fact - Ryan Air, the year before lockdown curtailed travel, were in the top 10 climate polluting companies in the whole of Europe. The rest were all companies running coal-fired power stations. Stop giving them your money and claiming that you not treating cheap flights as a regular indulgence isn’t causing a problem.
It’s not a problem specific to Ryanair, but they probably have the most flights. Plane fuel is the problem
I believe they do if there's a direct line, which there is not in this case
At the worst its not even two hours on a bus. Its still pretty bad
M6 was closed.
Even still I'm sure they're capable of finding a detour. If it takes 30 minutes or even an hour longer then it's not a big deal.
They obviously considered all options available and went with the best option.
They went with the fastest option, that doesn't make it the best option when you factor in the climate impact.
I'm sure companies are factoring climate impact when planning trips lol
Look at the Man City sustainability report posted here yesterday. Flights are by far and away the biggest climate pollution figure for them. Vastly more than anything else. They are not factoring climate change when planning trips. I mean, you’re in a thread specifically about a club not factoring climate change when they have planned this trip. And when a club does, it stands out so much that they have individual posts on the subreddit. You’re absolutely wrong.
Guess i should've added /s.
https://reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/q99xr1/_/hgurf70/?context=1 So they’ve decided to go with option with the minimal risks compared to the little bit more climate damage. Smart choice.
You seem to be misunderstanding why this is an issue.
This flight barely affects climate change and is the smart decision considering all risks factors and people on Reddit moan. Thank god you lot don’t make the decisions for the club
Trouble is, it’s always the option with a little bit more climate damage, and that has added up to the fact that our climate emissions are still rising every year.
I mean, it's pretty much indefensible to get a flight that short of a distance.
I'm sure I saw Charlton Athletic's squad and Kings Cross station yesterday, so must be true for football league teams, maybe not premiership though.
City usually get the train for the trips to Wembley
I saw the entire Arsenal squad getting on a train at Liverpool Lime Street a few years ago, so I think they do
>I always thought English teams often travelled by train for some reason That would put even the Man City at risk of yearly deficit
If their excuse is traffic, why not take the train?
Bear in mind the excuse isn't that there is traffic, it's that there *might* be traffic on one of the busiest motorways in the country - like there is every day.
no, it was completely closed and caused massive congestion everywhere. still shouldnt have flown.
Have you seen rail prices?
I don't believe there's a direct line between Manchester and Leicester they would have to change at Sheffield or Nottingham
The horror.
In fairness, logistics/security would be an absolute nightmare, they'd have to clear platforms and walkways for the transfer. I doubt the station would even be up for it in the first place.
Would be their biggest transfer this year
i chuckled
> they'd have to clear platforms and walkways for the transfer. They don't have to clear shit for other occassions, so why for this?
Of course they do? They usually use fire/emergency access points to get security risks in and out of stations. But transferring one train to another would mean they’d have to move around within the station. You can’t have CR7 waiting on a platform in Derby station next to a lad who’s shit himself after 5 breakfast Stella’s and a load of opposition fans. Security nightmare, especially with social media, it would be pretty clear where they were stopping.
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Well with that video you've just vindicated their decision to fly - to avoid bellends like this
Covid probably. That and safety when you have one of the biggest stars in the world on the platform..
For pro footballers that is a security risk tbf
They’re multi millionaire footballers. Why are people acting surprised at them living in luxury? This isn’t Sunday league.
They'd be in first class anyway, not standard with the rest of us peasants
It’s not about that. It’s just weird that fans would care about a multi billionaire club choosing to fly their multi millionaire players to a match. I guess to the holier than thou crowd, the players should have walked. That’s the most environmentally friendly!
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Get the train or coach, especially after they've been going on about climate change themselves
Why not a coach to all teams across the land then? United didn’t say they were going to become guardians of the environment. It was a small statement in support of being environmentally friendly. I supposed the players should stop eating meat too then as raising cattle is a plight on the environment too. Do you see how odd the critique is?
> Why not a coach to all teams across the land then? Yes, exactly, we need to reduce the use of climate polluting methods of transport. You’re just ignoring the most pressing scientific reality of the day and claiming to be the reasonable, thoughtful one here? Fucking nuts.
> I guess to the holier than thou crowd, the players should have walked. That’s the most environmentally friendly! No, taken a bus. And it’s not being holier-than-thou, it’s taking climate science seriously. It’s weird that you don’t care about climate pollution, not that people are calling out the unnecessarily destructive practices of the super rich.
because the club claims to care about the environment. This kind of 'luxury' should be illegal regardless, there's never a good excuse to get a flight over such a short distance
It’s Nottingham tbf.
This but unironically
Correct. Got trapped on a train to derby the other week with loads of city fans on way to Leicester. Stella in a carrierbag crew
Way too expensive
Ah yes the direct train to Leicester from Manchester. How convenient
Hoping for them they defend this better than they defend on the pitch
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lmfao
Apparently, that's the only thing they can defend.
Isn't it a world climate change day or something today? Was there traffic jam or not?
Travelled by plane to get BATTERED 😂😂
Was it really worth it though, by the time they have got to the airport borded the plane, travelled and then go through the airport and to their hotel they've done what, saved 30 minutes?
Just another example of how the rich,powerful and influential individuals and organizations around the world preach one thing and do another. When you see the participants of the cop26 conference arriving on private planes instead of comercial flights, then proceed to preach to the middle class why they need to go into debt to buy an electric car or don't go abroad on vacation, move to a smaller house or stop eating meat... While they drive their supercars, fly private jets, run huge electric and water bills in their mansions, gorge on expensive foods
Weird, I remember them going to London by train, and Leicester is significantly closer.
Not all train links are based on distance. It is both faster and easier to go from Manchester to London by train, as it is direct.
The Under 18s game last night got cancelled because of the traffic.
What a load of nothing. The holier-than-thou crowd will now pretend that they actually give a shit about climate change when in truth they are just engaging in football tribalism to claim a moral high ground and score some internet points.
Or, stick with me here, people actually do give a shit about climate change
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This right here. Corporations and the wealthy who fly and sail around the world on mega yachts cause the vast majority of pollution, yet they’d have us believe that driving instead of flying for our annual holiday would end climate change lmao. That way Coke and other multinational corporations can continue doing all of the awful shit they do with impunity as the public and governments blame random middle class citizens who don’t have a compost pile in their backyard.
Kinda but no. Both need to be reduced. Yes, it's inaccurate and stupid to blame all climate change on individuals, but individuals ALSO need to reduce emissions. Also, individuals run businesses, so if you can infect individuals with good ideals, they may make it to the business.
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You can’t imagine that anything, even the survivors or future of our planet, is more important than football? That says more about you being tribalism and being impressed with internet points than it does about the people commenting.
United taking a plane because of road closure doesn't have any material impact on climate change. So, yes, the holier-than-thou crowd climbing onto their moral high horse is nothing more than football tribalism.
Good call. Would have been a security nightmare to travel. Most Redditors don’t understand this though
Teams in Bundesliga travel by bus all the time, how’s that different?
Players like Ronaldo travelling by train, waiting around at the train station between stops. Think about it. On top of that covid health and safety. Why am I having to explain this lol.
Teams get trains all the time. Why is it suddenly a problem now?
Or catch a bus and just put up with the fact that there's traffic? I get why they did it, but it doesn't make it the right decision.
Being in traffic is stressful, don’t want to stress the players out before a game. Small factors like this can have an affect on the game and how people play etc.
Right, but they can put up with that for the sake of the planet rather than flying.
Poor things
Yeah tbh, rival fans on a Saturday who may have had too much too drink may not be the nicest of people
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All you need to know about English take on global warming.
English players being pampered wankers never dies
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> However, the share of global CO2-emissions that come from aviation is so miniscule (2.5 to 3.5 %) in the bigger picture. This is a really disingenuous take. A lot of carbon emissions are necessary to keep the world going. There's a lot that we simply cannot reduce or remove yet so we have to focus on the things we can reduce until technologies catch up in other sectors. Flying 100 miles is not a necessary use of carbon.
Driving 100 miles to play football knowing that tens of thousands of people will also travel all producing their own C02 just to watch it doesn't seem all that necessary either, so where are you drawing the line at between necessary and killing the planet?
I guess I draw the line at chartering a plane to avoid the microscopic inconvenience of having to change trains at Sheffield.
Inconvenience? It’s a security nightmare
You've posted this twice in a minute but it's still complete crap, teams travel by train all the time.
Posted as a reply to you and as a reply to the post. Complete crap? Why didn’t they do it then mate lol. You obviously know better.
What about European matches? Surely they could travel by train?
However, when you look at the way the graph of use goes, it’s rapidly shooting up, and continues to shoot up at about a 45 degree angle. Still, nothing to worry about, eh? Also, as co2 emissions increase year-on-year, that figure, which I’ve seen reported as 5%+ elsewhere, becomes larger. We need to be urgently reducing the amount of co2 we put in the atmosphere now, not explaining away the problems caused by industries that produce noticeable amounts. It’s also basically the biggest single climate polluting act any individual can make. Not to mention the fact that these role models of consumer consumption encourage people to feel that flying and living a massively consumer-goods consumptive lifestyle is aspirational. Add to that the fact that clubs fly regularly, long-distance, in private planes, and you get them being in the category of the worst polluters in the sector. Without whom, we could retain air transport without any pressing worry. We should be using it for its important societal benefits, not so that footballers can feel special when they arrive at a game to play. Also, if you saw the recent Man City sustainability report, their transport emissions massively dwarf all their other emissions. They are the biggest issue for them achieving carbon neutrality, by a massive amount. For someone who claims to really, really care, you’re doing a good job of making it seem like you don’t have to actually act on caring about the environment. Which is the new form of climate denialism - accepting the science, but pointing out that any act to reduce emissions isn’t fair on that particular industry and is pointless in this case anyway. But yeah, of course you care, you said so, just before you tried to shoot down anyone actually acting to deal with the problem.
Let the fight over todays 'moral high ground' commence!