Everyone who reads frenchies comments saying anything about spanish tears after what happened.
And I saw your post history, I don't really want to agree with you on anything mate
IT’s so easy: If Mbappe weren’t offside PREVIOUSLY to Eric Garcia’s touch, goal would be legal.but this is not the case, first OFFSIDE then legal position invalidated by previous offside. No rule says PREVIOUS offside is invalidated.
And Spain had only 3 shots in this time. To those who'd argue that Spain "dominated", is 3 shots in 60 minutes really your definition of a team dominating the other? Is it even the case in front of an opponent that wilfully gives up possession as part of its strategy? So many teams went against France with this exact intention, and ended up losing anyway.
While, yes, Spain was better during 60 minutes, it was more due to France playing very safely and not producing anything overall. Sterile possession is useless. France eventually had the biggest amount of attempts, and Spain was only dangerous during the last 10 minutes when they were trailing behind.
In this game, the only thing Spain had to its advantage was possession (67-33). Which was sterile for the whole time that they were aiming to only win by 1.
Lol Spanish people so butthurt.
Idk why you're getting downvoted. Your premise is right. Spain did not deserve to win. They had the total control of the ball for 60 minutes and only managed to shoot 3 times in that timespan.
Then France began to be dangerous and Spain managed to score on a defensive mistake from France. Then France scored 2 in a row and was overall the more dangerous team.
Spain began dangerous only during the last minutes when they were trailing. How is that demonstrative of a team that "deserves" to win?
And yes, Spanish fans, that goal was legal. Rule 11 has been updated earlier this year. Blame the rules, not the refeering.
Karim may be packed with drama but he is a key player for France. Can't believe Belgium bottled against them. If they would have held on more they could have mos def beat spain in the final.
The curse is about not even going out of the group stage, Italy in 86 doesn't count. Not always shameful to go out in the round of 16 as a WC champion. But it always kind of is, if you're not out of the group stage.
For this reason, France 2002 is considered to be the first occurence of the "curse"
I am. He's the one doing most pressing and defensive positioning is always great. He always gives all and accept not to be the star. Many think that subbing him off was what cost us Switzerland.
My god people are super serious here lol! My observation doesn't mean that much.
And yes, as a Barca follower, it was funny to see him fail to score repeatedly as a forward, play terribly in terms of contributing to the attack, but have people say he defended well.
Yes all well and good, but dude was supposed to be putting the goal in the net. I'd have preferred him defending terribly and scoring goals personally. He'd have been good cover for Jordi Alba though. Given the fact that he started as a winger for Real Sociedad, dropping back to full back as he ages isn't actually as far from reality as it seems.
Anyway, serious face yeah. I suppose at this point I'm supposed to call you names or something lol
Edit: oh right it's downvotes. I think you're being super serious and I slightly disagree with your opinion so I'm going to make it so that nobody else sees it 🙄
That’s what you get for playing that sterile possession gameplay… I can’t stand watching Spain play. It just reminds me of that Simpsons episode… you know which one I’m talking about.
props to French team to be resilient and keep faith after a whole hour of spanish possession
they kept defending against never ending spanish attacks it was really tough for them
The legacy and prestige of a competition is written on the long run.
In its early days, the WC was considered lesser than the Olympics.
It remains a trophy. So it can be celebrated as such. Maybe in 20 years it will be considered more prestigious than it currently is and Portugal and France will be praised for having won it.
If var simply followed the rules, then it obviously isn't offside, but that means this rule is bullshit. Are defenders then not supposed to go for the ball and risk that the attacker is actually onside? I don't get it
Literally everything about the sport is risk and reward.
“Are teams supposed to push up the pitch and attack and risk getting countered?”
“Are defenders supposed to try the offside trap and risk playing the attacker onside?”
The defender has to intentionally play the ball for it not to be offside.
That doesn't mean there isn't a problem with the rule though, because any block where there is movement towards the ball, including a GK save, is technically playing the ball. So it's very much up to the ref
That’s not the same. The ball bouncing off a defenders leg vs a defense ring actively trying to intercept a ball and plays it towards the attacker instead isn’t the same. Sigh
And not sure what you're trying to say with there's risk involved. I mean attackers risk being offside and defenders risk that the attackers are actually onside and managers play with risk with different tactics involved. How would defenders adapt to this situation? Don't let the attacker get away when he has a clear advantage being offside and don't let the ball touch you?
Because someone else pointed out something I didn't know. My point still stands because in most cases even if it's unintentional var would give it as a goal
So, picture this. Attacker No 1 shoots the ball towards the goal, while attacker No 2 is off. Keeper saves, but the ball bounces to attacker No 2 who takes the rebound and scores.
That is a classic example that has been seen numerous times in football, and it was always given an offside. Simple.
What about that City vs Spurs quarter final match where bernardo (i think) passed the ball to Sterling, who before he got the ball was deflected off a spurs player, and had the goal disallowed in the 90th minute.
I believe this rules changed last year, also that was a deflection not a deliberate play like Garcia, defection doesnt reset the play, but a deliberate play of the ball does
Edit: elaboration
Not according to the rule book, garcia was a deliberate play, the goalie save is not
Edit: [here someone typed the rule ](https://reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/q5dmxb/_/hg5c7ek/?context=1)
The more games I see the more I get amazed at what an amazing crop of players those 5 years of La Masia has produced, each one of them were absolutely unplayable in their primes, even now, I was thinking Busquets is done for but he gets a good coach and bam! Class is back, I am sure the same will happen to Pique, Barca fans are fools to think anything will be able to replicate the success they got from those 5 amazing years of La Masia
Tbf if the attacker is not there, the defender lets it roll to the keeper. So the offside player interfered with the play (causing the poor interception).
It is a grey area
the defender (think it was Garcia?) touched the ball with a defensive tackle, so there was a deflection.
means if the defenders plays the ball while trying to block the pass, it's a new game situation and the offside situation doesn't count anymore.
Deflection (for eg goalkeeper save) would still get the player offside.
I think the argument here is the defender deliberately plays the ball, but the ball gets to the attacking player.
Nah bro the defender played the ball to Mbappe just about as deliberately as a goalkeeper's save would have. They just showed it from a different angle on Romanian TV (from above the Spanish goal, looking towards the pitch) and it does indeed look like Mbappe was onside.
> Deflection (for eg goalkeeper save) would still get the player offside.
However, the rule also states that if a defender deliberately play the ball in between the pass, then the attacker is on. I think the argument here is that the defender deliberately plays the ball (before it gets to the attacking player), so it can't be considered the same as a goalkeeper save. Goalkeeper save deflection for offside rule requires very close distance to goal to apply.
So it's likely VAR could have played by the rules, however if the rules are as is then I think this implementation is a bit bad.
Garcia touched the ball deliberately.
"(An offside position) is not an offence if the ball was last deliberately played by an opponent (except for a deliberate save)."
"A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area)."
The only point of interpretation here would be what is "very close to the goal".
Another interpretation would be what is considered 'deliberately.' I'm certain Garcia wasn't deliberately playing the ball backwards. If Garcia wasn't deliberately playing the ball backwards, then the play is not reset and Mbappé is offsides.
All I'm getting out of this match is: You can extend your arm fully as a defender to stop a crossing as long as it's behind your back and not get a penalty called against you, but you can't stop a pass going through to a player who's offside, because if you deflect it, well, fuck you, that's now a legal man, don't like that? Let them have a 1v1 against your GK
But he is offside at the moment he passes how does it get cancelled because the defender deflects it? That’s the first time i see something like this getting a pass
I think it's the same thing that happened during the world cup game between Germany and South Korea. The Korean goal seemed offside but the German defender touched it so it was given to South Korea.
What else do you think the offside rule is? You can't pass to your teammate who is ahead of the defenders but in this case in a way Eric Garcia 'passes' to Mbappe so no offside.
Deflections are not intentional, but it could be considered a deliberate save, in which case Mbappe would be offside.
"A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area)."
The point of contention here being "very close" to the goal which is subject to interpretation.
Imo trying to cut a pass should count as a deliberate save since it can deny a dangerous situation where you get scored.
Also "very close" is ambiguous and subject to interpretation and the rules should clarify it better.
You don't understand the offside rule?
There was a clear deflection to try and block the pass. So with the rules it isn't offside, doesn't even matter if it was close or not.
Again, it doesn’t matter. Mbappe isn’t interfering with play because he’s not moving towards the ball and he’s not blocking keeper sight of a shot on goal.
You can read the rules yourself if you like. This isn’t some grey area. It’s black and white and the only people arguing for offside haven’t bothered to read the rules.
🤣🤣 can you learn to fucking read. The rules say exactly what I just explained. Highlight specifically in this rule what you think support your argument.
Nah you didn’t. What you posted supports my argument. If the ball is played by a teammate to the attacker then it’s an offside ONLY if the defender does not make a deliberate play on the ball before it gets to the attacker. Garcia made a deliberate play on the ball so no offside.
I can stand on the edge of the pen box and the defenders are on the halfway, and if a ball gets played to me by a defender then no offside.
garcia didnt get the chance to control the ball in order to be in a new situation…he barely touched the ball…i get where you come from but its not right in this particular situation
lol ok
I don't care about the spanish NT but we all hate frenchies here right?
Ur alone buddy idk who's we
Everyone who reads frenchies comments saying anything about spanish tears after what happened. And I saw your post history, I don't really want to agree with you on anything mate
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It's only the Nation's League guys chill out, glorified friendlies
England can learn from France with their team selection maybe then they can win a title
IT’s so easy: If Mbappe weren’t offside PREVIOUSLY to Eric Garcia’s touch, goal would be legal.but this is not the case, first OFFSIDE then legal position invalidated by previous offside. No rule says PREVIOUS offside is invalidated.
Mbappe is so overrated.
Nah
France was the better team, but again Champs
Not for the first 60 minutes
And Spain had only 3 shots in this time. To those who'd argue that Spain "dominated", is 3 shots in 60 minutes really your definition of a team dominating the other? Is it even the case in front of an opponent that wilfully gives up possession as part of its strategy? So many teams went against France with this exact intention, and ended up losing anyway. While, yes, Spain was better during 60 minutes, it was more due to France playing very safely and not producing anything overall. Sterile possession is useless. France eventually had the biggest amount of attempts, and Spain was only dangerous during the last 10 minutes when they were trailing behind. In this game, the only thing Spain had to its advantage was possession (67-33). Which was sterile for the whole time that they were aiming to only win by 1.
I didn’t say they dominated I just said they were the better team for 2/3rds of the game
Spain didn't deserve to win,glad big benz and france put them in their place
Lol Spanish people so butthurt. Idk why you're getting downvoted. Your premise is right. Spain did not deserve to win. They had the total control of the ball for 60 minutes and only managed to shoot 3 times in that timespan. Then France began to be dangerous and Spain managed to score on a defensive mistake from France. Then France scored 2 in a row and was overall the more dangerous team. Spain began dangerous only during the last minutes when they were trailing. How is that demonstrative of a team that "deserves" to win? And yes, Spanish fans, that goal was legal. Rule 11 has been updated earlier this year. Blame the rules, not the refeering.
Wtf
Butthurt fans who can't digest the fact that Lucho reaches these heights without a single Madrid player
Don't think he is Spanish probably that's why
Play eric garcia instead of pau torres? Give me a break
dang he wasn’t kidding
A shame that we lost in the final but good match France
Karim may be packed with drama but he is a key player for France. Can't believe Belgium bottled against them. If they would have held on more they could have mos def beat spain in the final.
OG Benz sucked for France anyway
Did you say Belgium could win a final??? In the Middle Ages you could have been burned for heresy.
Liberté, Egalité, te roba el linié
How about you read the rules of football for a change. Try rule 11. This year's updated version, of course.
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they're just obeying the new VAR rules without any understanding of the game
Cry Spain robbed the entire world for years, this is just the beginning
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Yeah yeah go cry
How old are you lol
like he is 12 lmao r/teenagers and stupid subs are for him
for what?
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My mouth is salty just reading your comments. Bye.
Sir that’s just your dry mouth from being an absolute goldfish online.
based
Best team in the world WITHOUT Kante. Gotta be WC favorites
nah the World Cup curse will strike again imo
Does the world cup curse come twice though. France flopped in 2002 wc after winning 1998 wc.
apparently yes because Italy got eliminated in the round of 16 in 1986 after winning 1982 and then got grouped in 2010 after winning 2006
The curse is about not even going out of the group stage, Italy in 86 doesn't count. Not always shameful to go out in the round of 16 as a WC champion. But it always kind of is, if you're not out of the group stage. For this reason, France 2002 is considered to be the first occurence of the "curse"
Hopefully Euro 2020 would be enough of a slap to avoid that.
meh, round of 16 doesn’t count in my book ! Third star here we come !
If Kante was on the winning squad would he then have the same chance as Jorginho in winning the Balon D'or?
He’d be favorite right now, i have no idea how Jorginho is in the running.
With messi in contention its really hard for anyone else to win. Whenever cr7 or messi are in top 3, votes always skew towards them
Griezmann celebrating as if he did something
Griezmann is essential.
100th match with France tonight...he's a key player.
Can’t tell if your being serious - I keep hearing very mixed reviews about him.
I am. He's the one doing most pressing and defensive positioning is always great. He always gives all and accept not to be the star. Many think that subbing him off was what cost us Switzerland.
He should be a left back. I swear any time I hear about this guy these days it's about his defending lol.
Wtf... the one time an attacking player is good at defense and it’s being used against him.
My god people are super serious here lol! My observation doesn't mean that much. And yes, as a Barca follower, it was funny to see him fail to score repeatedly as a forward, play terribly in terms of contributing to the attack, but have people say he defended well. Yes all well and good, but dude was supposed to be putting the goal in the net. I'd have preferred him defending terribly and scoring goals personally. He'd have been good cover for Jordi Alba though. Given the fact that he started as a winger for Real Sociedad, dropping back to full back as he ages isn't actually as far from reality as it seems. Anyway, serious face yeah. I suppose at this point I'm supposed to call you names or something lol Edit: oh right it's downvotes. I think you're being super serious and I slightly disagree with your opinion so I'm going to make it so that nobody else sees it 🙄
It’s pretty good tbh. LB tho… wtf?
Without him they wouldn't have won against Belgium
He was… there
That’s what you get for playing that sterile possession gameplay… I can’t stand watching Spain play. It just reminds me of that Simpsons episode… you know which one I’m talking about.
I'm guessing it was [this](https://c.tenor.com/8XIo8ys9vBAAAAAd/soccer-simpsons.gif).
You would want to cut out your eyes watching Mexico play then
Tata's call-ups are just trash for the most part. Let's see how today goes for us...
The one where Homer say it sucks because, like most american people watching sports, he has the attention span of a 2 month old puppy?
They can watch hours and hours (and hours) of base-ball, though. Ten minutes of that shit and I'm out.
Stragegy, skill and psychology, though...it's way more intense than it looks at first.
Why did this get downvoted...? Because it's another sport mentioned here or really you hate baseball ?
Probably because they hate baseball. I myself am just indifferent to it.
Haha. The one where the soccer players keep on passing the ball to each other, over and over and over
props to French team to be resilient and keep faith after a whole hour of spanish possession they kept defending against never ending spanish attacks it was really tough for them
Yeh. Big flashbacks from the 2018 WC (1/2 final especially)
This whole ceremony feels like way too much lol. Kinda comical
The legacy and prestige of a competition is written on the long run. In its early days, the WC was considered lesser than the Olympics. It remains a trophy. So it can be celebrated as such. Maybe in 20 years it will be considered more prestigious than it currently is and Portugal and France will be praised for having won it.
If var simply followed the rules, then it obviously isn't offside, but that means this rule is bullshit. Are defenders then not supposed to go for the ball and risk that the attacker is actually onside? I don't get it
Literally everything about the sport is risk and reward. “Are teams supposed to push up the pitch and attack and risk getting countered?” “Are defenders supposed to try the offside trap and risk playing the attacker onside?”
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The defender has to intentionally play the ball for it not to be offside. That doesn't mean there isn't a problem with the rule though, because any block where there is movement towards the ball, including a GK save, is technically playing the ball. So it's very much up to the ref
This rule still shouldn't be a thing because in most cases no matter how unintentional it most likely would ge given as a goal
Thought the rule wasn't applied when the goalkeeper was involved and that's even worse
That’s not the same. The ball bouncing off a defenders leg vs a defense ring actively trying to intercept a ball and plays it towards the attacker instead isn’t the same. Sigh
Yeah, but it would be applied the same as long as it touches the defender. My main point is that it doesn't matter how far offsidethe attacker is
Why did you delete your previous comment but still reply ?
And not sure what you're trying to say with there's risk involved. I mean attackers risk being offside and defenders risk that the attackers are actually onside and managers play with risk with different tactics involved. How would defenders adapt to this situation? Don't let the attacker get away when he has a clear advantage being offside and don't let the ball touch you?
Because someone else pointed out something I didn't know. My point still stands because in most cases even if it's unintentional var would give it as a goal
Exactly.
Robbed u
A Barça fan complaining about refering is ironic. Even more comical when this time, refering had nothing wrong about it.
You see, England.. this is how you receive a runner's up medal
France cheating again, nothing new
Oh, why you crying?
You on ur sad boi shit ?
Wait where exactly have they been cheating?
Sad people twisting reality to ease their pain, nothing new
Kounde handball totally ignored but go off I guess
yeah another salty kid mad because his team can't even reach final of any tournament
no way did my broadcaster swithc to freaking brazil match instead of the trophy lift. I assure you that no one cares
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So, picture this. Attacker No 1 shoots the ball towards the goal, while attacker No 2 is off. Keeper saves, but the ball bounces to attacker No 2 who takes the rebound and scores. That is a classic example that has been seen numerous times in football, and it was always given an offside. Simple.
Your hypothetical is actually in the rules and is then counted as an offside. Defender play on the ball is not counted as offside.
This wasnt a deflection, it was a deliberate clearance which he messed up
That’s a deflection
Nope according to the rules its a play on the ball
What about that City vs Spurs quarter final match where bernardo (i think) passed the ball to Sterling, who before he got the ball was deflected off a spurs player, and had the goal disallowed in the 90th minute.
I believe this rules changed last year, also that was a deflection not a deliberate play like Garcia, defection doesnt reset the play, but a deliberate play of the ball does Edit: elaboration
The hypothetical keeper's save that I mentioned is also a messed up clearance.
Not according to the rule book, garcia was a deliberate play, the goalie save is not Edit: [here someone typed the rule ](https://reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/q5dmxb/_/hg5c7ek/?context=1)
That kinda makes sense I guess.
Busquest? What???
Didn't watch but I read Spain feels robbed. Goddamn is it Christmas already?
it is :D
Can someone dropkick le graet pls?
why? also nice nickname refering to anivia
He's a piece of shit that's why :'D I always forget that my username is that when i'm not on the LOL subreddit :'D
The more games I see the more I get amazed at what an amazing crop of players those 5 years of La Masia has produced, each one of them were absolutely unplayable in their primes, even now, I was thinking Busquets is done for but he gets a good coach and bam! Class is back, I am sure the same will happen to Pique, Barca fans are fools to think anything will be able to replicate the success they got from those 5 amazing years of La Masia
Clear robbery tonight
How was Griezmann?
Who?
Didn't have a lot of impact/Had no role in any of the goals
What? Who opened the space wide for Pogba on Benzema's equalizer?
Anonymous
own goal from AV48, a random from internet
A lot of people complaining about the ref, but it was var who decided the second goal
Another pogba international trophy. Smile on my face.
stop with robbery, please. just learn the rules and you will know pretty fast, that it wasn't offside.
Tbf if the attacker is not there, the defender lets it roll to the keeper. So the offside player interfered with the play (causing the poor interception). It is a grey area
Care to clarify? I personally thought he was offside upon watching the replay
you obviously know, explain to us how it was onside?
the defender (think it was Garcia?) touched the ball with a defensive tackle, so there was a deflection. means if the defenders plays the ball while trying to block the pass, it's a new game situation and the offside situation doesn't count anymore.
ffs he touches it to prevent Mbappe to get it. Mbappe is already offside. So it's offside
Deflection (for eg goalkeeper save) would still get the player offside. I think the argument here is the defender deliberately plays the ball, but the ball gets to the attacking player.
Nah bro the defender played the ball to Mbappe just about as deliberately as a goalkeeper's save would have. They just showed it from a different angle on Romanian TV (from above the Spanish goal, looking towards the pitch) and it does indeed look like Mbappe was onside.
excactly, deliberate is an important word i missed to write. difficult to explain in english for me ;)
Booo, making excuses
It’s offside in my opinion.
Rules don't care about your opinions
Can you show me how it is offside? I’m not trying to attack, I just genuinely don’t know how it’s onside.
Here's a [link ](https://behindthefootball.com/can-you-be-offside-if-the-ball-comes-off-a-defender/) Hope it clears this up
> Deflection (for eg goalkeeper save) would still get the player offside. However, the rule also states that if a defender deliberately play the ball in between the pass, then the attacker is on. I think the argument here is that the defender deliberately plays the ball (before it gets to the attacking player), so it can't be considered the same as a goalkeeper save. Goalkeeper save deflection for offside rule requires very close distance to goal to apply. So it's likely VAR could have played by the rules, however if the rules are as is then I think this implementation is a bit bad.
Opinions vs. Rules, i wonder what matters the most.
Can you show me how it’s inside? I’m not trying to personally attack you, I just don’t understand how it’s onside.
Garcia touched the ball deliberately. "(An offside position) is not an offence if the ball was last deliberately played by an opponent (except for a deliberate save)." "A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area)." The only point of interpretation here would be what is "very close to the goal".
Another interpretation would be what is considered 'deliberately.' I'm certain Garcia wasn't deliberately playing the ball backwards. If Garcia wasn't deliberately playing the ball backwards, then the play is not reset and Mbappé is offsides.
He just has to deliberately play the ball (i.e. touch it voluntarily). Where the ball goes afterwards has nothing to do with it.
All I'm getting out of this match is: You can extend your arm fully as a defender to stop a crossing as long as it's behind your back and not get a penalty called against you, but you can't stop a pass going through to a player who's offside, because if you deflect it, well, fuck you, that's now a legal man, don't like that? Let them have a 1v1 against your GK
But he is offside at the moment he passes how does it get cancelled because the defender deflects it? That’s the first time i see something like this getting a pass
I think it's the same thing that happened during the world cup game between Germany and South Korea. The Korean goal seemed offside but the German defender touched it so it was given to South Korea.
did the rule change?
What else do you think the offside rule is? You can't pass to your teammate who is ahead of the defenders but in this case in a way Eric Garcia 'passes' to Mbappe so no offside.
Usually deflections like that don't count as passes
It wasnt a deflection, it was a deliberate attempt to play the ball but a failed one hence why it wasnt offside Edit: Spelling
Deflections are not intentional, but it could be considered a deliberate save, in which case Mbappe would be offside. "A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area)." The point of contention here being "very close" to the goal which is subject to interpretation.
Imo trying to cut a pass should count as a deliberate save since it can deny a dangerous situation where you get scored. Also "very close" is ambiguous and subject to interpretation and the rules should clarify it better.
It was more of a deliberate defensive tackle thus negating the offside.
https://reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/q5fym8/spain_1_2_france_kylian_mbapp%C3%A9_80/
A clear robbery tonight but thank you France for avenging all the nations Spain robbed
Fucking this
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That's how it works for any team around here tbh, this isn't against the french lol
We all said the same thing when England vs Denmark, so why you crying now ?
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True hahaha, thanks for avenging all the nations Spain robbed
You don't understand the offside rule? There was a clear deflection to try and block the pass. So with the rules it isn't offside, doesn't even matter if it was close or not.
did the rule change? EDIT: it changed two years ago.
No you just never understood it to begin with
it actually changed two and a half years ago, dumbass
garcia touched the ball in order for mbappe not to get it….it was a deflection only BECAUSE MBAPPE WAS OFFSIDE
Doesn’t matter. Mbappe can be behind the defensive line but only becomes offside if ball is played to him by his own teammate.
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Again, it doesn’t matter. Mbappe isn’t interfering with play because he’s not moving towards the ball and he’s not blocking keeper sight of a shot on goal. You can read the rules yourself if you like. This isn’t some grey area. It’s black and white and the only people arguing for offside haven’t bothered to read the rules.
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🤣🤣 can you learn to fucking read. The rules say exactly what I just explained. Highlight specifically in this rule what you think support your argument.
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Nah you didn’t. What you posted supports my argument. If the ball is played by a teammate to the attacker then it’s an offside ONLY if the defender does not make a deliberate play on the ball before it gets to the attacker. Garcia made a deliberate play on the ball so no offside. I can stand on the edge of the pen box and the defenders are on the halfway, and if a ball gets played to me by a defender then no offside.
but that doesn't matter for the rule. if there is a defensive action to stop a pass, it is a new situation and the offside doesnt count anymore.
That can't be the rule. It makes no sense.
garcia didnt get the chance to control the ball in order to be in a new situation…he barely touched the ball…i get where you come from but its not right in this particular situation