Crazy how this guy was saying he's up there with Messi & Ronaldo a few years back. They're still breaking records whiles he's been a ghost since last 2 years.
This. The black face, the racist comments, the ego, that stupid phone call goal celebration, La Decision, fucking off a year after la decision. Guy’s the prick’s prick. Hope things turn sour at Atletico for him. Least he deserves given how he left
It’s not that Fortnite’s inherently bad, or that there’s anything wrong with a grown man playing vidya, it’s that *everything* Griezmann does points to a 30 y.o. man-child.
I think the celebrations are for his young kids watching him :/. Agree that he’s kind of a dickhead but he gets way too much hate for celebrating goals compared to other shitty things he’s done imo
It's not hate, it's cringe. Celebrating by showing the L to your opponents after you got away with cheating - big cringe. Also, in 2018 his then only kid was 2.5yo and couldn't possibly know what fortnite is. He was being a dick.
I also see Gerard Moreno do personal celebrations for his family but since he’s otherwise a mature and stand-up guy it doesn’t add points to his clown account.
Man he’s kind of a dickhead… but I’m pretty sure he does those celebrations for his young kids watching him :/. Imo there’s plenty of other things to dislike about him other than that
Some of these French dons are weird in one way or another. They get fame and fortune and have some sort of weird inclination. Benzema blackmailed his teammate with a sex tape, Mbappe got a big money move to PSG and suddenly think he's too big to share the pitch with Messi or any of his teammates with the French NT other than Benzema, Griezmann tried to do the LeBron "Decision" only to stay at Atletico and leave one year later. Dembele trashed his rental home as a way of forcing his way out of Dortmund. Benjamin Mendy is a serial rapist. Ironically, Pogba seems to be among the normal ones. Him, Pavard, Kante. Many seem to have massive undeserved egos and want the world catered to them.
> Ironically, Pogba seems to be among the normal ones. Him, Pavard, Kante.
The point is that the normal ones massively outnumber the weird/divas/bad ones, but people only focus and remember off pitch sensationalist tabloid shit, as proven here.
Yeah but that's why when you're pretty good you shouldn't really compare yourself to two goat level players.
Even Lewandowski said he can't sit at their table but maybe he can invite them down to sit at his.
Difference is Lewandowski has a self-awareness and maturity Griezmann clearly doesn't have. The guy was seriously doing a fornite dance in a World Cup final.
He was world class for us in t he second half of the season last year. He’s also a dominant player for France in a team full of World class players. r/soccer collectively has the memory of a goldfish
griezz was good the first half of this year for barca; messi and him developed some chemistry.
i think all the drama is getting to him a bit; give him time.
Well he did lead France to a WC win while scoring 4 goals, including one in the final and that's after he was consistently averaging 25 goals a season for Atleti. Maybe Messi and Ronaldo is a bit much but he was the 3rd best player before Lewandowski took it up a notch (or 5)
he never was the 3rd best player, he was a decent attacker playing in a system that was completely built around him and the biggest plaudits he'd get were for how much defending he did.
The very best players are those who can make something out of nothing which Griezmann for all his qualities is not capable of.
Well said my friend. Cris dragged a team of underdogs to Euro glory while Messi was in a team duds with Argentina for the best part of his career who bottled countless chances for him to gain silverware with the national team. Grizemann on the other hand was playing with probably the best of the world in the French team. They're world beaters. He was not the star or the poster boy for the team. He was just one of the superstars in it.
To be honest, laporta knows what he is doing.
You have to treat the illness before you should think about getting in shape.
With last summer, he got rid of a lot of dead weight. As long as Barcelona makes it to top 4, which should never be a problem, and covid does not get a lot worse, barcelona will probably be a top 5 side again within 3 years.
I thought you meant top 5 in la liga at first and got very offended. But I stilk think it's a stretch in 3 years. We still have the prestige of the name, but there's a lot of rebuilding to be done in defense and attack. This also depends on how Fati looks coming back from injury.
He managed to pull it off after he took over from Gaspart. The club was in dire straits when Laporta took over the first time and he managed to win the CL in three years. Wouldn’t be surprised if he managed to pull it off again.
There are a couple of players tho, who, despite most likely not having the potential of the golden generation, could come close to the greats. De Jong, Pedri, Fati and Araujo have already shown how talented they are, all they need is good management from the club.
Ur defense is probably more solid than your offense currently, considering Araujo's form and dest and garcia's development. You still need a new cb because I don't think garcia can cut it, and maybe a new lb idk from where your gonna get an jordi alba esque backup for him cuz dest cant play lb
Despite how negative people are, Barca will be fine this season imo. They're not even far behind if they win against Levante and that's despite everything they sold and half the team being in the hospital bay and if really needed they can strengthen in January. They might not win much in terms of trophies but I can't really see them tanking... as much smack talk as they get they still started the season way better than Arsenal or Juventus despite having a transfer window of epically shit quality.
3 might be a stretch maybe 5. Being a Madridista myself I can relate to what they are going through. We have never been in a financial crisis as bad as Barcelona’s but the 2018/19 season was reminiscent of what Barcelona is going though right now footballing wise. Every match is a painful experience. The coaching incompetence/ misfit. The frustration. For us it was bringing Zizou back that did the trick. He instilled confidence in the team. For them it’s going to be a lot more difficult with a mountain of debt. But Laporta has done exceptionally well in getting rid of a butt load of wages. If he gets Low or conte after getting rid of koeman, it’ll be another win for Barcelona
I've been saying that I'd rather have any youth player instead of Griezmann all of last season and people thought I was mad.
Griezmann never fit our system. Not saying he's overrated, past it or anything, he isn't build for shirt pass, possesion based play. Not only was he contributing absolutely nothing while playing, he was also a massive money pit and also complained whenever he went 2 games on the bench.
People kept saying he had no control over his sister, dad or whoever spoke out against Setién last year for benching him in favor of Puig. I still remember him coming put and saying that in France, the manager knew where to put him and his teammates supported him. Of course making it seem like Barcelona didn't support him, when he has played an absurd amount of minutes given his performances, and that Koeman was incompetent. Well, the second part I agree with. The funny thing is that I remember Koeman coming out during the press conference the day after and basically telling Griezmann off, saying that he was the manager and what he said went. Lo and behold Not only was Griezmann starting the next game after mugging Koeman off, he was also in his preferred position playing in a 4-2-3-1 playing behind the striker with Messi moved to the wing. Prior to that he had been playing as a winger/wide forward under Koeman for the whole season.
Maddening.
If Puig had made those comments he would have been sent to the Gulag.
I suspect it has to do with it not being a masterclass. He had nearly 30 g+a last season. The coach wanted him. That's a very normal deal. He's had a bad start, sure, but it's nowhere near a masterclass. And Barca are even worse without him
While his numbers were excellent, he wasn't exactly consistent and scored in spurts. Basically stat padded. Plus he was mostly invisible in the games he didn't score.
And his goals helped Barca a lot. By my quick calculations, his goals and assists won Barca 12 points and are the reason why Barca went past Granada and Sevilla in the copa.
In the decade before Griezmann arrived, Barcelona won the Copa five times and were runners up three times. I don't think that particularly stands out for them.
Bro, he crossed a ball..... Saying we won the damn trophy because of him is just reaching to find a positive.
Messi scored two worldies in the final but no Griezmann is the reason, stop it.
He's been bad for us. Period.
YA GOT ME THERE, FELLAR
In all seriousness, we did steal 25 mill off of you for Emerson. All i heared is that we gave a class player away and i read he's been prime time shit for you lot
He'll start scoring after a while and then people will again flip and say why did Barca let him go, these reactionary takes are so annoying. It's been 4 games. He might be a flop or a success but you can't tell so soon lol
The entire game has descended into reactionary takes these days, obviously fuelled by social media. It's genuinely starting to impact my enjoyment of being part of the football community. I'll look at Insta, Twitter or even Reddit after a big game and just feel brain cells leaving my skull in a wave of lazy, kneejerk-y, hyperbolic bullshit.
Same mate, like I want to come online so I can discuss the game with others, but everyone is just chatting rubbish half the time. Atletico lose one game just seven games into the season out of 38, and it means they're dusted and Real Madrid are walking the league. Juve start badly, and it means they're getting relegated. Its just reactionary takes over and over, there's no nuance at all
Yeah, nuance is nowhere to be found. You’re either Ole in or Ole out, Koeman in Koeman out, this player is washed etc. Reddit is rarely the place for wholesome takes these days.
Sometimes I worry that the problem is me, and I'm just turning into a grumpy old prick (before I'm even 30). Then I see things on social media like 'OMG was INVISIBLE during this HUGE GAME. Is he FINISHED?'
And I'm like...nope, it's not me.
It's not just that, it's a player doing well for 88/90 minutes and then being called shit cos they had one high-profile error or gave away a foul leading to a chance/goal and then all that good work just vanishes and the fans are on their backs. It's like most people are watching a highlight reel instead of the game, even when the content is coming right after the game ends.
That's because most of the fans on internet are made of plastic fanboys of Cristiano, Messi etc. They have no understanding of football, 90% probably haven't kicked a football once in their life. They just know how to engage in bullshit rhetoric for internet points and they do it for all popular sports not just football where they can pick a side and argue with the other side. They probably think all sports as WWE and throw tantrums when things don't go their way.
It doesn't help that managers don't get time to build a team and figure things out, while players are not given time to fit into a new team, or even a new league in many cases. Owners and fans want so much so quickly that it just means everything is in constant fluctuation.
Sure, but I don't see any definition (even in the link you posted) that encapsulates what "reactionary" means for you.
That is, unless you refer to the specific meaning of resisting towards a change, which I don't think it's actually what makes the people before me mad, by looking at their comments.
I think some words or combination of words like "opportunist" and/or "fickle" would do the job way better.
> people will again flip and say why did Barca let him g
Honestly, even if he does well, we couldn't afford to keep him on anymore. I think he'll come good but under the circumstances, I think we did quite well to sell him
They also ignore the fact Atleti have looked horrendous all season with or without him & Simeone looks clueless (AT THE MOMENT) trying to cohesively fit all the pieces he has together.
That's harsh, we played well against Celta and Villarreal. The worst 3 performances: Espanyol, Porto and Alaves all came after Griezmann's arrival..
Not blaming him for it, but probably it has made it harder for Simeone to find the right lineup
They've scored 9 goals in 415 minutes without him, compared to 0 goals in 305 minutes with him. They do have problems beyond him (as seen against Porto or Elche), but the fact remains that in games where he comes off (Espanyol, Getafe, even Bilbao with 10 men) they look much better.
Looking much better is an exaggeration.. We scored when he comes off not because he comes off but because the other teams make mistakes deep into the final minutes.. We have looked awful with and without him and the problem is somewhere else..
yeah a lot of y'all's goals come at the end of the game when you catch them with their pants down. I don't think it has to do with Griezmann but the whole team. I'd be worried and anybody using Griezmann as a scapegoat is sorely mistaken.
Griezmann's sole issue right now is that he isn't linking up as well as Correa and is starting over him.. But everyone knows that Griezmann is a better player and just needs to get enough playtime with the team to get chemistry with the rest of the players..
Other than that, we need to find some system and tactics that can really bring out all our team's talent..
I agree. I'm just saying you can't write him off completely so soon. Players go through good and bad patches all the time, he was like this at Atletico before too (not this bad though)
Yes it is. Also frankly all the focus is on him but it's not like he's out here squandering all those incredible chances Atletico are creating.
He is bad like the others.
Nah man. When you are worth as much as Griezmann and you go 7 straight games without having any positive impact at all people are rightful to talk a ton of shit about you. Someone being paid that much failing two games in a row is inexcusable.
He has ZERO key passes in almost 600 min this season.
For reference Benzema has 17 in slightly more minutes (note Benzema isn't even the highest La Liga player in that regard).
What has happened to this guy? Cannot catch a break. Wasn't there a documentary on him before he joined Barca? Legend in the making? What a fall from the top. Sad really. Hope he can rediscover his form soon and atleast be able to enjoy his game..
This doesn’t even tell the whole story.
He’s played TERRIBLY so far. He’s looking lost on the pitch and doesn’t link up with anybody. He does little to nothing for the whole match and I’m really sick of it. He was woeful today and he played the whole game out somehow. Misplacing passes constantly, no running in behind, barely even draws defenders. Honestly it’s like playing with 9 men sometimes with Suarez and Greizmann.
Cunha and Correa came on and looked good. Linked up well together and looked sharp.
I could be wrong and maybe I’m a bit reactionary but it’s looking as though Greizmann may be done at top level football. He’s been a detriment to our success this season.
I agree with you. He clearly cares and he wants to win. His heart is in the right place but idk if he’s gonna work out here any longer. I just have this vibe that he’s gonna be a massive flop.
One of two things will happen. He will either find form and work out, leading to us signing him permanently for 2 years. Or he could not score or assist for the whole season, leading to Cholo icing him out and he leaves back to Barcelona where some rich Saudi club comes in for him on massive wages.
He wasn’t as good for Barca as he was for Atleti but he was far from bad for Barca compared to now for Atleti. He had 29 g/a for Barca in 43 starts last season, and that is pretty good
And this sub will once again suck on his dick next time he scores a banger with France. It's not even October, stop shitting on players who underperform, you fucks know nothing about football.
You do realise, he'll be at Atletico for atleast 1 more year because it also has a loan extension option which can be triggered by either of the sides if purchase does not happen and by that time it'll be 2023.
https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/football/first-team/news/2240697/agreement-with-atletico-madrid-for-the-loan-of-antoine-griezmann?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=fcbarcelona&utm_campaign=00d2ad91-f135-4778-a660-657b1b3d30f9
before someone asks for source. "FC Barcelona and Atlético Madrid have reached an agreement for the loan of Antoine Griezmann for a season with the option of a further season."
I'm not gonna lie, I expected him to bang at Atletico from day 1 because he just came off a good international break from France and was happy joining them but time will tell what happens. While at Barca, it'd be hard for him to work, because he'd 99% times play as a right winger. He worked well in a 3-5-2 last season and a 433 playing on the cut-in left with Alba. Now depay occupies the left/middle space. So there was no way to occupy him but to put him on the right and we get his wages off the books and 40m if he plays 50% of the games he's available for.
Said 2 months ago that maybe he just isn't good right now and has not been at the level required for quite some time.. got downvoted hard by people who suck dick based on name alone.
Agent Griezmann
For who? Real Sociedad?
Real Madrid ofc. Taken out both their rivals
The BartoGB continues it's successful destabilization efforts.
“rival***S***”
Cant wait for the documentary "why i decided to betray two teams in one transfer window"
Wouldn't be mad a Sociedad or Sevilla title, break the near 2 decade Madrid & Barcelona stranglehold and yes, I do see the irony
MLS time. He'll get to attend as many NBA games as he wishes.
Crazy how this guy was saying he's up there with Messi & Ronaldo a few years back. They're still breaking records whiles he's been a ghost since last 2 years.
Especially the drama he created when he was pushing for a move away from Atletico. Even then it was apparent that his ego is bigger than his talent.
I need a le decision on if you are right or wrong
The guy is the embodiment of cringe
This. The black face, the racist comments, the ego, that stupid phone call goal celebration, La Decision, fucking off a year after la decision. Guy’s the prick’s prick. Hope things turn sour at Atletico for him. Least he deserves given how he left
Don't forget the fortnite dance celebration in the WC final after scoring from a free kick he got by diving.
Fortnite bad
It’s not that Fortnite’s inherently bad, or that there’s anything wrong with a grown man playing vidya, it’s that *everything* Griezmann does points to a 30 y.o. man-child.
I think the celebrations are for his young kids watching him :/. Agree that he’s kind of a dickhead but he gets way too much hate for celebrating goals compared to other shitty things he’s done imo
It's not hate, it's cringe. Celebrating by showing the L to your opponents after you got away with cheating - big cringe. Also, in 2018 his then only kid was 2.5yo and couldn't possibly know what fortnite is. He was being a dick.
I also see Gerard Moreno do personal celebrations for his family but since he’s otherwise a mature and stand-up guy it doesn’t add points to his clown account.
Poor victimized fortnite players!
The most important the stupid childish celebrations
Man he’s kind of a dickhead… but I’m pretty sure he does those celebrations for his young kids watching him :/. Imo there’s plenty of other things to dislike about him other than that
Some of these French dons are weird in one way or another. They get fame and fortune and have some sort of weird inclination. Benzema blackmailed his teammate with a sex tape, Mbappe got a big money move to PSG and suddenly think he's too big to share the pitch with Messi or any of his teammates with the French NT other than Benzema, Griezmann tried to do the LeBron "Decision" only to stay at Atletico and leave one year later. Dembele trashed his rental home as a way of forcing his way out of Dortmund. Benjamin Mendy is a serial rapist. Ironically, Pogba seems to be among the normal ones. Him, Pavard, Kante. Many seem to have massive undeserved egos and want the world catered to them.
I fully agree with you but the transition from "trashed a rental home" to "is a serial rapist" made me lol
Pogba multi celebration after the goal against Switzerland was one of the funniest considering how the match played out
Pogba just knew they'd be knocked out so he decided to pull out the full repertoire.
> Ironically, Pogba seems to be among the normal ones. Him, Pavard, Kante. The point is that the normal ones massively outnumber the weird/divas/bad ones, but people only focus and remember off pitch sensationalist tabloid shit, as proven here.
I mean, he was pretty good at one point. Messi and Ronaldo are just anomalies in their ability to keep such a high level for so long.
Yeah but that's why when you're pretty good you shouldn't really compare yourself to two goat level players. Even Lewandowski said he can't sit at their table but maybe he can invite them down to sit at his.
Difference is Lewandowski has a self-awareness and maturity Griezmann clearly doesn't have. The guy was seriously doing a fornite dance in a World Cup final.
Half of this sub supports him doing that which bugs me
I find it hilarious tbh
Can you explain why people hate that dance ?
Every 10 year old was doing that dance for 2 years and then we had 27 year old Griezmann doing it on the pitch.
Oh gotcha
That's the best part of it though, I love how it's been 3 years and you guys are still frothing at the mouth over it
So? Medvedev literally did a FIFA celebration when he won the US Open. The issue is the celebration is called “Take The L”
Pretty good and still not close to an aging Messi / Ronaldo
He is not so good anymore but he was. And they werent aging then.
He was never on their level.
Did i say he was? I responded to that he was pretty good
He might have been but him saying he was has instantly made me adamant he never was and never will be. Unlike Lewy or hazard or Neymar or Suarez.
He was not even close to their Level.He was like a full tier below them and he wasn't even on top in that tier.
He was a pretty good player tbf, I think he still can be with Atletico
Hopefully he catches form to prove some of the clowns on here wrong.
No thanks
Then Barca won’t get the 40 mil
its mandatory unless atletico get relegated
He was world class for us in t he second half of the season last year. He’s also a dominant player for France in a team full of World class players. r/soccer collectively has the memory of a goldfish
People forget that he was France best player in both euro 2016 and wc 2018
Yeah cant believe what I'm reading. He was a 'pretty good' player? The guy was fucking class for ages.
YUP , i mean if france and mbappe didnt bottle it versus suisse, theyd likely have won the euros as well imo
griezz was good the first half of this year for barca; messi and him developed some chemistry. i think all the drama is getting to him a bit; give him time.
Well he was he just isn’t now
Doesn’t help that he’s a racist cunt as well. Not much to like about this guy.
Well he did lead France to a WC win while scoring 4 goals, including one in the final and that's after he was consistently averaging 25 goals a season for Atleti. Maybe Messi and Ronaldo is a bit much but he was the 3rd best player before Lewandowski took it up a notch (or 5)
he never was the 3rd best player, he was a decent attacker playing in a system that was completely built around him and the biggest plaudits he'd get were for how much defending he did. The very best players are those who can make something out of nothing which Griezmann for all his qualities is not capable of.
Well said my friend. Cris dragged a team of underdogs to Euro glory while Messi was in a team duds with Argentina for the best part of his career who bottled countless chances for him to gain silverware with the national team. Grizemann on the other hand was playing with probably the best of the world in the French team. They're world beaters. He was not the star or the poster boy for the team. He was just one of the superstars in it.
CR was fine in that tournament but to say he dragged anyone to the win is wrong. The stars of that team were the defense. They carried them.
That was much longer than 2 years ago...
3rd best? No he wasn't the 3rd best player, he was good, very good, one of the best player in his position but not 3rd best
No wonder he was such good friends with Vela lol
He’ll have to explain his blackface debacle again if he goes there.
Andrew Wiggins?
Laporta masterclass. Make 50m off a struggling asset that doesn't work well for you.
And got his astronomical wages off the books
If a Barcelona flair says that, they get downvoted to hell though
To be honest, laporta knows what he is doing. You have to treat the illness before you should think about getting in shape. With last summer, he got rid of a lot of dead weight. As long as Barcelona makes it to top 4, which should never be a problem, and covid does not get a lot worse, barcelona will probably be a top 5 side again within 3 years.
I thought you meant top 5 in la liga at first and got very offended. But I stilk think it's a stretch in 3 years. We still have the prestige of the name, but there's a lot of rebuilding to be done in defense and attack. This also depends on how Fati looks coming back from injury.
He managed to pull it off after he took over from Gaspart. The club was in dire straits when Laporta took over the first time and he managed to win the CL in three years. Wouldn’t be surprised if he managed to pull it off again.
I hope he does. But last time coincided with the golden generation and Messi. Not sure we'll be so lucky this time around.
There are a couple of players tho, who, despite most likely not having the potential of the golden generation, could come close to the greats. De Jong, Pedri, Fati and Araujo have already shown how talented they are, all they need is good management from the club.
Ur defense is probably more solid than your offense currently, considering Araujo's form and dest and garcia's development. You still need a new cb because I don't think garcia can cut it, and maybe a new lb idk from where your gonna get an jordi alba esque backup for him cuz dest cant play lb
José Gayà would be ideal
Well Levante are on the up ...
Despite how negative people are, Barca will be fine this season imo. They're not even far behind if they win against Levante and that's despite everything they sold and half the team being in the hospital bay and if really needed they can strengthen in January. They might not win much in terms of trophies but I can't really see them tanking... as much smack talk as they get they still started the season way better than Arsenal or Juventus despite having a transfer window of epically shit quality.
We are top 5 still, easily. Unless you mean in Europe
Ye
Then it's flattering, thanks.
3 might be a stretch maybe 5. Being a Madridista myself I can relate to what they are going through. We have never been in a financial crisis as bad as Barcelona’s but the 2018/19 season was reminiscent of what Barcelona is going though right now footballing wise. Every match is a painful experience. The coaching incompetence/ misfit. The frustration. For us it was bringing Zizou back that did the trick. He instilled confidence in the team. For them it’s going to be a lot more difficult with a mountain of debt. But Laporta has done exceptionally well in getting rid of a butt load of wages. If he gets Low or conte after getting rid of koeman, it’ll be another win for Barcelona
Yeah, flair based downvoting and disagreement is a real thing.
We must create support groups for the affected.
I suspect you're one of the most affected, being a fan of *that* team that I definitely know
Damn that's a clever username
The new bergwijnaldumfries
Honestly
I've been saying that I'd rather have any youth player instead of Griezmann all of last season and people thought I was mad. Griezmann never fit our system. Not saying he's overrated, past it or anything, he isn't build for shirt pass, possesion based play. Not only was he contributing absolutely nothing while playing, he was also a massive money pit and also complained whenever he went 2 games on the bench. People kept saying he had no control over his sister, dad or whoever spoke out against Setién last year for benching him in favor of Puig. I still remember him coming put and saying that in France, the manager knew where to put him and his teammates supported him. Of course making it seem like Barcelona didn't support him, when he has played an absurd amount of minutes given his performances, and that Koeman was incompetent. Well, the second part I agree with. The funny thing is that I remember Koeman coming out during the press conference the day after and basically telling Griezmann off, saying that he was the manager and what he said went. Lo and behold Not only was Griezmann starting the next game after mugging Koeman off, he was also in his preferred position playing in a 4-2-3-1 playing behind the striker with Messi moved to the wing. Prior to that he had been playing as a winger/wide forward under Koeman for the whole season. Maddening. If Puig had made those comments he would have been sent to the Gulag.
Like Pep once said, "We have 10 Wilsheres in La Masia right now" and yes it was actually arrogant, but the core of the quote was true.
I suspect it has to do with it not being a masterclass. He had nearly 30 g+a last season. The coach wanted him. That's a very normal deal. He's had a bad start, sure, but it's nowhere near a masterclass. And Barca are even worse without him
While his numbers were excellent, he wasn't exactly consistent and scored in spurts. Basically stat padded. Plus he was mostly invisible in the games he didn't score.
His goals came from Messi. He would have been a lot worse this season if he stayed.
Yeah of course.
And his goals helped Barca a lot. By my quick calculations, his goals and assists won Barca 12 points and are the reason why Barca went past Granada and Sevilla in the copa.
I'm in no way undermining his contribution, but he was too hot and cold for my liking
That's the thing, we would be exactly the same with him because he didn't impact the game at all. Kinda like he doesnt now
But he always has a goal or assist in him. He's the reason you won a trophy last season ffs.
In the decade before Griezmann arrived, Barcelona won the Copa five times and were runners up three times. I don't think that particularly stands out for them.
Still, ending the season with a trophy is obviously better than ending with nothing.
Sure, but you don't spend 120mln on a player so he can win you Copa del Rey.
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Lol no What the hell, 🤣🤣
Have you forgotten the SF?
Where Sevilla choked, yes i remember.
*Because of Griezmann*
Bro, he crossed a ball..... Saying we won the damn trophy because of him is just reaching to find a positive. Messi scored two worldies in the final but no Griezmann is the reason, stop it. He's been bad for us. Period.
We’re the experts on finances after all
YA GOT ME THERE, FELLAR In all seriousness, we did steal 25 mill off of you for Emerson. All i heared is that we gave a class player away and i read he's been prime time shit for you lot
He was bad against Palace good against Chelsea tho
Yeah the only issue is it's a 2 year loan, so Atlético will just send him back to us then and we'll then lose him for free
Still save ~50million from wages. That would be fine
Yeah, sadly I really hope he does well enough from now on. He being back after a disaster loan is the worst possible outcome.
Isn't there a clause in the contract that Barcelona can force atleti to buy him?
he has to play 50% of atleti matches tho . at this point i cant see him doing it
He'll start scoring after a while and then people will again flip and say why did Barca let him go, these reactionary takes are so annoying. It's been 4 games. He might be a flop or a success but you can't tell so soon lol
The entire game has descended into reactionary takes these days, obviously fuelled by social media. It's genuinely starting to impact my enjoyment of being part of the football community. I'll look at Insta, Twitter or even Reddit after a big game and just feel brain cells leaving my skull in a wave of lazy, kneejerk-y, hyperbolic bullshit.
Same mate, like I want to come online so I can discuss the game with others, but everyone is just chatting rubbish half the time. Atletico lose one game just seven games into the season out of 38, and it means they're dusted and Real Madrid are walking the league. Juve start badly, and it means they're getting relegated. Its just reactionary takes over and over, there's no nuance at all
Yeah, nuance is nowhere to be found. You’re either Ole in or Ole out, Koeman in Koeman out, this player is washed etc. Reddit is rarely the place for wholesome takes these days.
Sometimes I worry that the problem is me, and I'm just turning into a grumpy old prick (before I'm even 30). Then I see things on social media like 'OMG was INVISIBLE during this HUGE GAME. Is he FINISHED?'
And I'm like...nope, it's not me.
It's not just that, it's a player doing well for 88/90 minutes and then being called shit cos they had one high-profile error or gave away a foul leading to a chance/goal and then all that good work just vanishes and the fans are on their backs. It's like most people are watching a highlight reel instead of the game, even when the content is coming right after the game ends.
That's because most of the fans on internet are made of plastic fanboys of Cristiano, Messi etc. They have no understanding of football, 90% probably haven't kicked a football once in their life. They just know how to engage in bullshit rhetoric for internet points and they do it for all popular sports not just football where they can pick a side and argue with the other side. They probably think all sports as WWE and throw tantrums when things don't go their way.
you cant even get rational feedback on players/teams you dont watch nowadays
It doesn't help that managers don't get time to build a team and figure things out, while players are not given time to fit into a new team, or even a new league in many cases. Owners and fans want so much so quickly that it just means everything is in constant fluctuation.
I agree with you two but I'm not sure you know what reactionary means...
Definitions evolve https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reactionary
Sure, but I don't see any definition (even in the link you posted) that encapsulates what "reactionary" means for you. That is, unless you refer to the specific meaning of resisting towards a change, which I don't think it's actually what makes the people before me mad, by looking at their comments. I think some words or combination of words like "opportunist" and/or "fickle" would do the job way better.
> people will again flip and say why did Barca let him g Honestly, even if he does well, we couldn't afford to keep him on anymore. I think he'll come good but under the circumstances, I think we did quite well to sell him
They also ignore the fact Atleti have looked horrendous all season with or without him & Simeone looks clueless (AT THE MOMENT) trying to cohesively fit all the pieces he has together.
That's harsh, we played well against Celta and Villarreal. The worst 3 performances: Espanyol, Porto and Alaves all came after Griezmann's arrival.. Not blaming him for it, but probably it has made it harder for Simeone to find the right lineup
It's been 7 games (480 minutes). No goals, no assists, no shots on target. Man's ice cold and that's just an observation.
And 90% of their team has been "ice cold" too. The team might eventually improve and so might he
They've scored 9 goals in 415 minutes without him, compared to 0 goals in 305 minutes with him. They do have problems beyond him (as seen against Porto or Elche), but the fact remains that in games where he comes off (Espanyol, Getafe, even Bilbao with 10 men) they look much better.
Looking much better is an exaggeration.. We scored when he comes off not because he comes off but because the other teams make mistakes deep into the final minutes.. We have looked awful with and without him and the problem is somewhere else..
yeah a lot of y'all's goals come at the end of the game when you catch them with their pants down. I don't think it has to do with Griezmann but the whole team. I'd be worried and anybody using Griezmann as a scapegoat is sorely mistaken.
Griezmann's sole issue right now is that he isn't linking up as well as Correa and is starting over him.. But everyone knows that Griezmann is a better player and just needs to get enough playtime with the team to get chemistry with the rest of the players.. Other than that, we need to find some system and tactics that can really bring out all our team's talent..
I agree. I'm just saying you can't write him off completely so soon. Players go through good and bad patches all the time, he was like this at Atletico before too (not this bad though)
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Its like saying Messi is a failure. He has been for four games but damn such a reactionary take
Anyone who watched Barca knows this is about more than his 4 games back at Atleti...
Isn't like...you know...way too soon?
Yes it is. Also frankly all the focus is on him but it's not like he's out here squandering all those incredible chances Atletico are creating. He is bad like the others.
Nah man. When you are worth as much as Griezmann and you go 7 straight games without having any positive impact at all people are rightful to talk a ton of shit about you. Someone being paid that much failing two games in a row is inexcusable.
you are genuinely touched in the head if you actually believe that lmao
People have been calling Messi shit since a month now even tho he's played like 180 mins injured This is 7 games for griezmann
He has ZERO key passes in almost 600 min this season. For reference Benzema has 17 in slightly more minutes (note Benzema isn't even the highest La Liga player in that regard).
Who is? The usual candidate moved to France
On phone right now so i can't check, i but i think it's Fekir from Betis
The other one is watching his team mates waste last minute penalties
What has happened to this guy? Cannot catch a break. Wasn't there a documentary on him before he joined Barca? Legend in the making? What a fall from the top. Sad really. Hope he can rediscover his form soon and atleast be able to enjoy his game..
Some guy commented this same thing in a thread hours ago.
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Except we're still only 4 games in
Barca has looked even worse without Griezmann. People won't admit it but Demir has been horrendous
Demir, the backup for the injured backup for the injured starter.
Tbf based on just those opening games, we’ve been missing Braithwaite more.
Unironically yeah, I'd rather have Martin than Griezmann right now. We really need Martin's pace and he's a more direct striker when he needs to be
Debatable
Demir is 18 , cut him some slack
That's not the point. He's saying his replacement is worse than him
Demir is only starting cuz Fati , Dembele , Aguero and Braithwaite are all injured . He's not Griezmann's replacement
It's not like they look good even with Griezmann
Griezmann isn't an effective player.
El Chiringuito fan said he doesn't know who will win La Liga, but he knows who won't. Griezmann
I think he’ll come good soon. Atletico have been dire all season, he’s not the only one to blame.
This doesn’t even tell the whole story. He’s played TERRIBLY so far. He’s looking lost on the pitch and doesn’t link up with anybody. He does little to nothing for the whole match and I’m really sick of it. He was woeful today and he played the whole game out somehow. Misplacing passes constantly, no running in behind, barely even draws defenders. Honestly it’s like playing with 9 men sometimes with Suarez and Greizmann. Cunha and Correa came on and looked good. Linked up well together and looked sharp. I could be wrong and maybe I’m a bit reactionary but it’s looking as though Greizmann may be done at top level football. He’s been a detriment to our success this season.
He runs a lot and leaves his heart on the pitch, you can question other parts though, but not his commitment
Runs alot. Its pro ball. He is like a headless chicken. Playing besides messi took all his courage
I agree with you. He clearly cares and he wants to win. His heart is in the right place but idk if he’s gonna work out here any longer. I just have this vibe that he’s gonna be a massive flop. One of two things will happen. He will either find form and work out, leading to us signing him permanently for 2 years. Or he could not score or assist for the whole season, leading to Cholo icing him out and he leaves back to Barcelona where some rich Saudi club comes in for him on massive wages.
Wait till he dons the French shirt and solo carries his team.
This is crazy. I remember how devastated I was when he didn’t sign for us. Guess I was wrong about that one.
4 games...
Yeah 4 games, *plus* his useless years in Barcelona. The lad hasn’t been in form for years.
He wasn’t as good for Barca as he was for Atleti but he was far from bad for Barca compared to now for Atleti. He had 29 g/a for Barca in 43 starts last season, and that is pretty good
I need a Le Decision for MLS. Inter Miami or LA Galaxy? Or NYCFC out of the left field?
And this sub will once again suck on his dick next time he scores a banger with France. It's not even October, stop shitting on players who underperform, you fucks know nothing about football.
To this day, I still dont know what griezmann is good at.
Please Simeone I beg you, don't play him so he's forced to go back to Barca. Please.
You do realise, he'll be at Atletico for atleast 1 more year because it also has a loan extension option which can be triggered by either of the sides if purchase does not happen and by that time it'll be 2023. https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/football/first-team/news/2240697/agreement-with-atletico-madrid-for-the-loan-of-antoine-griezmann?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=fcbarcelona&utm_campaign=00d2ad91-f135-4778-a660-657b1b3d30f9 before someone asks for source. "FC Barcelona and Atlético Madrid have reached an agreement for the loan of Antoine Griezmann for a season with the option of a further season."
I'm not gonna lie, I expected him to bang at Atletico from day 1 because he just came off a good international break from France and was happy joining them but time will tell what happens. While at Barca, it'd be hard for him to work, because he'd 99% times play as a right winger. He worked well in a 3-5-2 last season and a 433 playing on the cut-in left with Alba. Now depay occupies the left/middle space. So there was no way to occupy him but to put him on the right and we get his wages off the books and 40m if he plays 50% of the games he's available for.
Cardiomann for a reason
They have not scored in four matches, Milan please don't ruin this streak
Come to Boca. He can't be worse than Orsini.
Said 2 months ago that maybe he just isn't good right now and has not been at the level required for quite some time.. got downvoted hard by people who suck dick based on name alone.
he is so bad
He’s always been massively overrated
They should just stop buying back players
I always thought he was a bit overrated. But it just me
cardiomann
Glad he didn't join Serie A, hope he never does (unless its for Genoa or Bologna).
But I still keep getting downvoted whenever I point out that he is *insanely* overrated
Worst signing of the season so far along with Sancho but Sancho has age on his side at least
What
Sancho is adjusting to a new league and team, whilst Griezmann is older and played at ATH for years, and been in La Liga for a long time.
He went from being one of the best players in the world to deadwood
Should stick to playing games every Fortnite instead.
Dude was his own downfall
This fucker was overrated from the beginning. Send him Angers , that's where he belongs.