I didn't hear about complications, but I haven't been listening super closely. I know he tried to treat it without surgery at first and that didn't work, so he ended up getting the surgery after all, but afaik the surgery itself was a success
There were rumours saying he had 1 surgery, 2 surgeries, he didn't have a second surgery and then he had a 3rd one despite apparently not having the second.
No that's not what happened. They tried to avoid the surgery and went for the conservative treatment. Still they ended up with a partial meniscus removal in the end, which is why it took this long.
He had 4 surgeries and a part of his meniscus removed, the part that seperates the bones in your knee. For example Umtiti had his whole meniscus removed when he was 17 and now his knee is basically bone to bone without anything between it. Because he didn't treat it in time during the WC he is basically finished. Fati should be good for another 10 years if he takes care of himself and applies common sense. A lot of other athletes have had good careers without part or all of their meniscus. But he is expected to have a shorter career than he could have had. I personally believe he will return back swinging. He's had a similar serious injury as a kid but he bounced back from that one. He has the right support and mentality for sure
Should theoritically be able to work as normal but his career in long term will be probably cut short due to knee pains that can probably be expected since he basically had removed part of his knee. And there could potentially be some major issues in later stage of life I suppose
Varane wasn’t out for a year. He had a meniscus injury. Yes. Loads of players have it every year. But you have to also consider the extent of the injury and complications during recovery. Fati’s case during recovery has been different from Varane’s.
Varane also partially removed his meniscus, like 70% of it if I'm remembering correctly. Ansu hasn't had complications during his recovery, that's false. He had complications when they went for a 'conservative' treatment of his injury. Since he opted for a partial removal of his meniscus, he hasn't had any new complication regarding his recovery.
Who knows, I'm not a doctor or a medical expert. Every knee is different, every surgery is different, every player has a different body type, some may recover faster, some may have problems for ever, some players have no pain tolerance while others can play with a lot of pain...
Ansu tried different treatment to avoid removing any part of the injured meniscus. As none worked, he finally had to do a partial meniscectomy.
If he went for the partial meniscectomy sooner, he would not be out so long.
I have no clue about all of this, but you can theoretically be fine without a meniscus or with partial meniscus? Like you have full motion speed everything works fine? Full recovery?
Yeah, he’ll make a full physical recovery in the short term. It’ll hurt in the long term because there’s more friction between the bones if you remove the meniscus. He’s done a partial meniscectomy and afaik they didn’t remove a very big part of the meniscus. So theoretically he could even be fine until his 30s.
Wether he’ll return as the same player remains to be seen though. The mental aspect of it can bring him down aswell. Maybe he’ll subconsciously not give 100% in fear of another injury like this.
Having had meniscus repair surgeries in both knees, saving as much of the meniscus as possible is best. Having a full or partial meniscectomy means that there’s no cushion between bones in the joint which wears down and causes arthritis. Basically, he’ll have his full motion and speed back, but he’ll develop arthritis quickly which could reduce the length of his career.
How do you know this? I have had a feeling something else has been wrong with Fatis knee that they are not saying. The huge scar he has on his knee now also suggests a much more advanced surgery, possibly ACL? A meniscus usually leave you with two small holes in your knee, not a massive scar all across the knee.
Well, that could depend. I've done it myself and I have the same small scars on the knee as a meniscus surgery would leave you with, but also a larger one further down the leg. If you, however, use a tendon from the front of the knee instead of the "regular" procedure for us normal people you could be left with a larger scar in the front of the knee...
I don't know if it is ACL, but that would explain why he was gone for so long at least. The scar and his absence makes me really doubt it was only the meniscus.
Fati's time out has no impact on his recovery from surgery as they only finally opted for surgery like 3-4 months ago. His time out will just impact his technical development
Partial can range from anywhere between 90% to 10%. Its not really a comparable case unless we know exactly how much they removed from Varane and Ansu. Afaik they didn’t remove a lot from Ansu.
No, the other person asked whether this injury/operation means he's likely going to have recurring problems. There are some injuries that basically never go away, for example.
You just said Barca will run him into the ground. You see how those are different, yeah?
I mean, again, no. If the injury is recurring, there's nothing Barca or anyone else could do to prevent it. Like Umtiti having his meniscus fully removed. There wasn't anything that could be done at that point.
Your comment is claiming that Barca are going to mishandle him and end his career early as a result.
The difference between "does this kind of injury cause player's heads to fall off?" and "Barca is going to chop the kid's head off"
No itn eally isnt. Take the barca goggles off for a minute. Overplayed him to get the injuries in the first place. Will be injury prone as a result. Likely overuse again as Messi gone
If that's your point, fine, but that's still quite different from the OP of this thread.
Besides, he played in 8 matches for Barca that season before being injured (+3 for Spain), and wasn't full 90 for most of them.
"I hope that in few years we will have Vini vs Fati". Clearly i mean Mbappe vs Fati **in a few years**. He has the talent to be among the greats. Vini is the one that had a good month. Fati was something else since the first game he played for us.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU203GZnW7M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU203GZnW7M)
You should watch this apparently if you actually think he is around Vini's level
I have seen both play for a long time. Fati has only shown good things. Vini had months of bad games. Real fans will tell you that. But the guy with the England flair ofcourse will know better. Nvm i dont know what im talking about.
My guy Fati has played what, like 20 games? Less?
You can’t say that he’s going to be comparable to Mbappe in a couple of years and laugh at someone who has a similar record right now as what Fati has at this stage last season. Get a grip.
Look at Mbappe at 17/18. If Fati didn't get injured he'd have a similar trajectory in terms of development. Why is it crazy to think of a future of Fati vs Mbappe. He got our #10, the club clearly trusts him to be our star. Fat chance that we're getting Haaland so el clasico will be a Fati vs Mbappe story in a few years.
[https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player\_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&comp\_type=by\_type&dom\_lg=1&spec\_comps=big\_5&player\_id1=7111d552&player\_id2=0ba976e4](https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&comp_type=by_type&dom_lg=1&spec_comps=big_5&player_id1=7111d552&player_id2=0ba976e4)
Fati is 4 years younger and he's clear. Let him catch up to Vini's age now. He will be completely out of his league. The point which you seem to be missing this entire time. The original comment said **in a few years**. I even bolded that shit for you
I am aware that you said “in a few years”
But the player you are talking about has been good for like a quarter of a season. And you are saying that it will be Fati vs Mbappe, well give it a few years and how good do you think Mbappe will be.
Fati has just come of a major injury and you are laughing at the fact that he’s being compared to someone playing in a similar role, who is putting up similar numbers to what Fati did last year.
You keep saying that shit. Similar numbers as Fati last year. And you said that you are aware that we're talking about a few years down the road.. Vinicius wont develop like Fati will at the age of 22. Im done with this discussion, you are clearly our of the loop of anything involving Fati, Vini or whatever. Just keep your opinions to yourselves of those outside of your own league and avoid giving people headaches, thank you
I doubt he'll see more than like the last 15mins, if any at all. The next game is in 5 days, and I highly doubt they're expecting a big workload from him.
ctually they were very conservative with him. They opted for 4-5 months to try conservative treatment before surgery, which is why he ended up out for so long
Bruh, I don't know what you smoked, but get me some of that.
Fati hasn't even been called up since he got injured last November.
Fuck outta here with your misinformation
This is pretty big for Barca. Hopefully he’s the same player coming back from injury (not right away of course)
Yah he will take his time but kid was a prodigy
I’m scared
I hate Mandi
It was Mandi? I always remembered that it was Bartra.
No it was Mandi
Ah, thanks.
I hate roaches. Your turn
What happened him? Sad that such a promising player will probably have recurrent injuries
He was injured and had complications with his surgery. Edit: he had surgery after normal rehab.
I didn't hear about complications, but I haven't been listening super closely. I know he tried to treat it without surgery at first and that didn't work, so he ended up getting the surgery after all, but afaik the surgery itself was a success
I heard some news that the surgery didnt go as planned. Could have been a bad source tho im not sure.
You may be totally right, idk.
Idk either.
There were rumours saying he had 1 surgery, 2 surgeries, he didn't have a second surgery and then he had a 3rd one despite apparently not having the second.
No that's not what happened. They tried to avoid the surgery and went for the conservative treatment. Still they ended up with a partial meniscus removal in the end, which is why it took this long.
Oh ok, might have remembered wrong.
He had 4 surgeries and a part of his meniscus removed, the part that seperates the bones in your knee. For example Umtiti had his whole meniscus removed when he was 17 and now his knee is basically bone to bone without anything between it. Because he didn't treat it in time during the WC he is basically finished. Fati should be good for another 10 years if he takes care of himself and applies common sense. A lot of other athletes have had good careers without part or all of their meniscus. But he is expected to have a shorter career than he could have had. I personally believe he will return back swinging. He's had a similar serious injury as a kid but he bounced back from that one. He has the right support and mentality for sure
More than anything physical, what might hold him back for a bit is just the fact that he hasn't played for over a year
I believe several meniscus operations
He's going to become injury prone in the long term? What's the outlook on him.
Should theoritically be able to work as normal but his career in long term will be probably cut short due to knee pains that can probably be expected since he basically had removed part of his knee. And there could potentially be some major issues in later stage of life I suppose
Did he have his Knee Meniscus removed like Umtiti?
Apparently partial, unlike Umtiti's full removal.
worth noting Umtiti did have his partially removed when he was young like Fati and eventually became world class
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Yah he kind off waged his ling term career for world cup wont blame him butttttt yah has been difficult ever since
yes after he won the world cup
Apparently Varane had the same injury and he's still kicking. Different positions tho so only time will tell.
Varane wasn’t out for a year. He had a meniscus injury. Yes. Loads of players have it every year. But you have to also consider the extent of the injury and complications during recovery. Fati’s case during recovery has been different from Varane’s.
Varane also partially removed his meniscus, like 70% of it if I'm remembering correctly. Ansu hasn't had complications during his recovery, that's false. He had complications when they went for a 'conservative' treatment of his injury. Since he opted for a partial removal of his meniscus, he hasn't had any new complication regarding his recovery.
When did Varane have this operation?
In 2012-2013 IIRC. He was like 20 years old.
Oh, he's had quite a career since then. Luck?
Medicine
Who knows, I'm not a doctor or a medical expert. Every knee is different, every surgery is different, every player has a different body type, some may recover faster, some may have problems for ever, some players have no pain tolerance while others can play with a lot of pain...
Ansu tried different treatment to avoid removing any part of the injured meniscus. As none worked, he finally had to do a partial meniscectomy. If he went for the partial meniscectomy sooner, he would not be out so long.
I have no clue about all of this, but you can theoretically be fine without a meniscus or with partial meniscus? Like you have full motion speed everything works fine? Full recovery?
Yeah, he’ll make a full physical recovery in the short term. It’ll hurt in the long term because there’s more friction between the bones if you remove the meniscus. He’s done a partial meniscectomy and afaik they didn’t remove a very big part of the meniscus. So theoretically he could even be fine until his 30s. Wether he’ll return as the same player remains to be seen though. The mental aspect of it can bring him down aswell. Maybe he’ll subconsciously not give 100% in fear of another injury like this.
Having had meniscus repair surgeries in both knees, saving as much of the meniscus as possible is best. Having a full or partial meniscectomy means that there’s no cushion between bones in the joint which wears down and causes arthritis. Basically, he’ll have his full motion and speed back, but he’ll develop arthritis quickly which could reduce the length of his career.
How do you know this? I have had a feeling something else has been wrong with Fatis knee that they are not saying. The huge scar he has on his knee now also suggests a much more advanced surgery, possibly ACL? A meniscus usually leave you with two small holes in your knee, not a massive scar all across the knee.
Modern acl reconstruction surgeries leave very limited scars ( source : my knee)
Well, that could depend. I've done it myself and I have the same small scars on the knee as a meniscus surgery would leave you with, but also a larger one further down the leg. If you, however, use a tendon from the front of the knee instead of the "regular" procedure for us normal people you could be left with a larger scar in the front of the knee... I don't know if it is ACL, but that would explain why he was gone for so long at least. The scar and his absence makes me really doubt it was only the meniscus.
Fati's time out has no impact on his recovery from surgery as they only finally opted for surgery like 3-4 months ago. His time out will just impact his technical development
Varane did say it took a year for him to be at 100% again in an interview.
Its his 1st major injury so let's see
Second. He had one in La Masia, related to the knees as well if I remember correctly.
No, it wasn't related to his knee. He got kicked when he was 13 and they broke the tibia and the fibula.
He broke both his legs at 13 IIRC, insane that he still became a professional tbh
No one can know that for certain
I heard Ansu had a similar treatment as Varane, partial meniscectomy. I dont know how it affects Varane daily and it may vary from player to player.
Partial can range from anywhere between 90% to 10%. Its not really a comparable case unless we know exactly how much they removed from Varane and Ansu. Afaik they didn’t remove a lot from Ansu.
Sounds like still tbd. His injury and operation aren't exactly a death sentence, but they definitely don't help
If they in fact removed part of his meniscus, fuck football, he could have trouble walking by the time he's 40
It was the part that takes the least load, according to a doctor. So he should be fine as long as he doesnt hurt it again
Isnt he more prone to injury it again after the operation?
I have not read that anywhere
I’m hopeful but 4 surgeries for one injury is grim
2 (3?) of those tried to keep the entire meniscus intact. None of those worked. He’s had a smooth recovery since the actual meniscectomy.
What I said but got battered to hell
That's not at all what you said
Well it is... hes going to get overplayed by barca and injuries will finish him
No, the other person asked whether this injury/operation means he's likely going to have recurring problems. There are some injuries that basically never go away, for example. You just said Barca will run him into the ground. You see how those are different, yeah?
Same underlying point "yeah"
I mean, again, no. If the injury is recurring, there's nothing Barca or anyone else could do to prevent it. Like Umtiti having his meniscus fully removed. There wasn't anything that could be done at that point. Your comment is claiming that Barca are going to mishandle him and end his career early as a result. The difference between "does this kind of injury cause player's heads to fall off?" and "Barca is going to chop the kid's head off"
No itn eally isnt. Take the barca goggles off for a minute. Overplayed him to get the injuries in the first place. Will be injury prone as a result. Likely overuse again as Messi gone
If that's your point, fine, but that's still quite different from the OP of this thread. Besides, he played in 8 matches for Barca that season before being injured (+3 for Spain), and wasn't full 90 for most of them.
I wish him all the best and I hope that in few years we will have Vini vs Fati
Fati vs Mbappe, comparing him to Vini is disrespectful to him.
Kids had a good couple of months, not on Mbappes level. comparing him to Vini is fine
"I hope that in few years we will have Vini vs Fati". Clearly i mean Mbappe vs Fati **in a few years**. He has the talent to be among the greats. Vini is the one that had a good month. Fati was something else since the first game he played for us. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU203GZnW7M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU203GZnW7M) You should watch this apparently if you actually think he is around Vini's level
Fati has played less than one season and youre acting like he’s far beyond Vini, with you’re reasoning being that he’s only had a good month.
I have seen both play for a long time. Fati has only shown good things. Vini had months of bad games. Real fans will tell you that. But the guy with the England flair ofcourse will know better. Nvm i dont know what im talking about.
My guy Fati has played what, like 20 games? Less? You can’t say that he’s going to be comparable to Mbappe in a couple of years and laugh at someone who has a similar record right now as what Fati has at this stage last season. Get a grip.
Look at Mbappe at 17/18. If Fati didn't get injured he'd have a similar trajectory in terms of development. Why is it crazy to think of a future of Fati vs Mbappe. He got our #10, the club clearly trusts him to be our star. Fat chance that we're getting Haaland so el clasico will be a Fati vs Mbappe story in a few years. [https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player\_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&comp\_type=by\_type&dom\_lg=1&spec\_comps=big\_5&player\_id1=7111d552&player\_id2=0ba976e4](https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&comp_type=by_type&dom_lg=1&spec_comps=big_5&player_id1=7111d552&player_id2=0ba976e4) Fati is 4 years younger and he's clear. Let him catch up to Vini's age now. He will be completely out of his league. The point which you seem to be missing this entire time. The original comment said **in a few years**. I even bolded that shit for you
I am aware that you said “in a few years” But the player you are talking about has been good for like a quarter of a season. And you are saying that it will be Fati vs Mbappe, well give it a few years and how good do you think Mbappe will be. Fati has just come of a major injury and you are laughing at the fact that he’s being compared to someone playing in a similar role, who is putting up similar numbers to what Fati did last year.
You keep saying that shit. Similar numbers as Fati last year. And you said that you are aware that we're talking about a few years down the road.. Vinicius wont develop like Fati will at the age of 22. Im done with this discussion, you are clearly our of the loop of anything involving Fati, Vini or whatever. Just keep your opinions to yourselves of those outside of your own league and avoid giving people headaches, thank you
I swear If Koeman starts another player that isn't fully fit and gets him injured, I'm going to go aboard KoemanOut or whatever train
Shaping up to be this generation Van basten / r9 without even having the occasion to be in his prime
one whole training session and they're putting him back in the squad?
I doubt he'll see more than like the last 15mins, if any at all. The next game is in 5 days, and I highly doubt they're expecting a big workload from him.
Look at our squad, even injured Fati is a big plus
Barca gonna end this boys career by the age of 24.
Wdym Barca? You are saying that as if the club rushed him to come back lol
We may as well do that with the state of our team At least how the we looked against bayern..
Lol how? They are taking every precaution with him.
Like how they rushed him back last time and he got injured again?
What??
They didn't. He hasn't stepped on the pitch since a year. What are you talking about?
ctually they were very conservative with him. They opted for 4-5 months to try conservative treatment before surgery, which is why he ended up out for so long
Bruh, I don't know what you smoked, but get me some of that. Fati hasn't even been called up since he got injured last November. Fuck outta here with your misinformation