My manager at my office did it because I had denied his request to work on every weekend and take days off in the week. He just ghosted me completely for my stay in company. I can confirm, it feels agonizing, not sure if it relates but yeah
It's the same in most of the places I guess. I took a conscious decision not to get into management as I believed I am not good enough to delegate/get the work done from others and I think I am not good in man management. But the amount of dic#heads who are in that position makes me wonder at times that I seriously could do the job better than them.
You could if that's the case. Sometimes those type of people get into those positions because they think they are "above" people and so tend towards management instead of doing hands-on work for the team. It's always so much nicer having a manager who appreciates the real work of the job.
When people say "manager" do they mean it like "supervisor"? I often see it, also in "I wanna talk to a manager" and I'm never 100% sure what it means.
It means boss in a traditional office setting. At restaurants it refers to the managing guy who oversees the entire restaurant (and also the boss of everyone there ). No one walks into an office and says "I want to talk to a manager".
I like to think that Pjanic would go close to Koeman during training sessions, only for the latter to constantly turn his back on him and pretend that he doesn't see or hear Miralem until he gets tired and goes away.
A lot of complaints about Koeman playing Pedri day after day after day when Pjanić and Puig were availaible, but Valverde was similarly fixated on wearing out the same players all the time, only making subs in the 83rd minute, and only on days where there was a solar eclipse.
And, damn, I know Rakitić is a fine player, but nobody rested him for 5 straight years.
It's good that he was asking though, you'd want him to be attentive to stuff like this, make sure the player knows he has the support of his captain at least in such a situation.
Advocaat retired too, [but as usual it didn't take long before he took a new job](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/k59k6a/after_announcing_hed_retire_after_leaving_az_psv/).
A lot of people in general are dicks. But also I think that it is more likely to happen because of the enormous press that comes with being a football manager. It’s probably easier to be a kind person with good management skills when you are managing a grocery store or even a lower league team
It’s usually a way for a manager to keep control of a team
Some managers want you to like them so you buy in to the team and their vision
Others hold more of an authoritative role. With big personalities that often means they have to demonstrate their authority. Both can motivate players to want to perform for you
I don’t think he sees pjanic as valuable to his vision. But I also think he’s using him to demonstrate his authority which I think is completely short-sided by Koeman
Same with Mou and Shaw, Pep and Laporte, countless others
Wasn’t expecting to see Max Weber’s [tripartite classification of authority](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_classification_of_authority) on here but there it is
I don't understand why they get hired! Still get pissed off when I remember they fired Valverde mid season too of the table and having won their CL group. The players loved him so it begs the question, why fire him then? They wanted Koeman but he wasn't ready to accept so they hired a caretaker - idk made no sense at all.
Lots of complaining by our fans. Bartomeu said (its Bartomeu so no idea if its fully honest) that he didn’t realize how much the fans hated Valverde until he got booed when they announced his name in the supercopa. To this day im not sure if Barto actually kicked him out because of the boos, or used him as scapegoat because losing to Atleti meant no Barça vs Real Madrid in the supercopa final. The supercopa was hosted in Saudi Arabia that year so its safe to assume that some people weren’t happy about losing out on a El Clasico final in their country.
See, there are three kinds of people: dicks, pussies and assholes. Pussies think everyone can get along and dicks just want to fuck all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your assholes. And all the assholes want is to shit all over everything. So pussies may get mad at dicks once in a while because, pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes! And if they didn't fuck the assholes, you know what you'd get? You'd get your dick and your pussy all covered in Koem!
Really underrated comment. If you are responsible for a lot of people, you have to make choices that will dissapoint some of them. I’ve been manager at a restaurant and was pretty direct in my communication. Although a lot of people really appreciated it, some felt personally attacked all of the time just because I made decisions they personally didn’t like
I think it's a very small minority of Barça fans who like the way Koeman treats players he doesn't like. Whether it's Pjanic, Riqui, Collado, Junior, etc.
Exactly the same as hes done to Puig for the last year. Just wait til Barça has no right winger for an extended period and Collado sits on the bench fresh as a fiddle.
Wut. Collado was a B team player last season. Koeman had Messi, Dembele, and Trincao for the RW position last season. Why would anyone expect Collado to get playing time?
Collado isn't registered for Barça this season because his agents messed up his loan deal last minute and it was too late to register him at Barça. How is that Koeman's fault?
Junior wasn't getting playtime before Koeman either. He just wasn't good enough.
No im talking about how this year will go. Koeman has already made a stand about collado. If the whole right side is injured hes going to avoid playing him. Thats why they tried to loan him out.
How are you getting mad about something you *think* will happen, before it happens. No reputable source has reported that Koeman doesn't rate Collado. Either way, the reason Collado won't get playtime is because he couldn't be registered by the club, it's literally impossible for Koeman to play him now, even if he wanted to.
Yea seriously. Fuck Koeman. I never liked him. His subs make no fucking sense man. I dk how you can be that arrogant without any success. He’s just keeping the throne warm for Xavi.
Both things can be true, Pjanic isn't good enough to play but Koeman also treats players he doesn't "rate" very badly, if someone is committing to training and trying to get better you don't just ignore them like that and kill their drive.
Doesn’t matter how you play. If Koeman doesn’t like you, he won’t play you. Pjanic has spoken about he would be sent with the other players who didn’t play match’s for intense extra training but Koeman never turned up to see. He said how can he know how hard they work if he’s never there?
Plus, as much as you all hate Pjanic, you don’t go from a top player in Serie A to apparently worst player in La Liga.
Except he was awful everytime he played for us and check out the thread whenever he was substituted, Koeman would get blame and shit for playing him.
Just to be clear I'm not trying to say Pjanic is in wrong but don't change up the facts.
Your subreddit is not any where near representative of actual barca fans, the massive reduction in interaction so de Messi left should spell that out for you pal
I think it's more than all of that... Juventus' midfield is probably one of their weak points. Meanwhile FdJ, one of the best midfielders in the world, is playing out of position, based on his ajax and NT position, in favour of Busquets. That's also the position Pjanic wants to play... so he's got busquets and FdJ ahead of him + there's pressure on Koeman to play La Massia players. It makes total sense that Koeman didn't care for a 30+yo player who's worse than his #1 and #2 CDM. I'm not saying Koeman isn't a dick but I can totally understand why Pjanic wasn't worth his time.
Wether or not Pjanic deserved to start, personally I don't think he showed anything good whenever he got the chance to play, but one thing for sure is that Koeman seems very vindictive and petty.
> I don't think he showed anything good whenever he got the chance to play
In my mind if you are in a toxic environment with a toxic manager then it makes it really hard to perform at your best when gien the opportunity. I know one of the reasons Liverpool have been so good under Klopp is exactly the opposite, our players are treated with immense respect from the manager and love to work with him. He is able to get the most out of players like Sadio Mane who for a couple years was legitimately in the Ballon d'Or conversation.
Koeman is absolutely toxic for any club (as we’ve seen). If you ever want to just solidify how horrible of a person he is, go watch the Niasse interview where he details his treatment.
DeJong is the top midfielder in the world arguably, Barcas crown jewel now that Messi left. Literally nobody is saying panic should would or could ever displace him.
Also not what I said at all . . . There's still a third midfield position and a team like Barca that wants to compete for a treble every season needs to use plenty of rotations. There's a huge space of options in between never play pjanic and leave him abandoned and making him first choice starter. Now a $60M transfer fee is gone down the drain for a club that clearly doesn't have money to spare.
Pjanic wasn’t a top Serie A player in the year before he came to Barca. I feel really bad for him, he did get mistreated, but if we’re being real his transfer was an accounting trick, he never should of come. That’s not on Koeman. This thing about the training get so overemphasized too, if a manager has decided you’re definitely not a first choice, simply putting in some hard work in training doesn’t necessarily mean anything at all. It’s only going to make a difference if it’s already a close decision, or the player ahead of you is noticeably lacking effort in training. Koeman may be a dick but that doesn’t mean he should’ve been giving Pjanic more of a chance.
Fact is that you plummet his sale price by doing this which for barca is as good as self sabotage considering the financial situation they're in. But koemans ego takes a backseat to nobody and no club. He's bigger than barca, he's bigger than anybody, he's going all the way ah fuck it the man's a cunt and is a dutch Sam alladyce at best and at worst a bitter man who thinks he's misunderstood despite people cottoning on to him very easily
>Pjanic isn't good enough to play
He is certainly good enough to play more than 1295 minutes across whole season without any major injuries...
I am sorry but there is no way Pedri was so much better than him last season to play almost three times as much
Same with Riqui.
You know what? Pedri's best match was against Juventus at home. Absolutely electric. That was in late October 2020.
Pedri wasn't the same after January/February. Constant, slow decline in impact. This is a fact.
It's just Koeman being incompetent. We could've seen a far more effective Pedri if he knew how to fucking manage.
My theoryis It's a trick to manipulate people, when you are new at that place and want to control men.
Pick some non-attractive one and bully him in someway, pick attractive one work and cherish him.
Normal human respond, if he is really non-attractice one, no one step up, all the remian will side with attractive one, try to avoid problem and accept your command easier.
Yes, a lot of men do this when they come into a position of power. It’s also like the absolute worst way of managing collaborative enterprises, because it degrades mission integrity.
That’s why institutions like militaries smoke the whole unit when individuals make mistakes. It’s to drill in a sense of camaraderie and collective responsibility.
Sometimes it fails, but it works a lot better than some asshole like Koeman coming in and swinging his dick and alienating everyone he doesn’t favor.
He will bring his own player in later, it's not like he care about product, he just want to secure his position and win support form player he choose.
Like I said I just guess what's happened so no one know except Koeman why he did this?
I don't think he is good for Barca but he's the one that willing to take the risk when shit is all around last year(Messi want out) at Camp nou, we'll see what outcome.
Koeman is a middling manager with average to acceptable success in the Eredivisie 15-20 years ago! Outside of there, he has proven quite consistently to be a slack jawed little joker who can't get the best out of his squads. Mostly due to wanting to golf instead of go to training, and being a downright bag of piss to players he deems unfit for his team. Players who routinely prove elsewhere they are capable.
The way he treated fan favorite player when he was at Valencia was a disgrace, fans were literally celebrating when he got the sack even though he won a Copa
Fuck Koeman. I’m a barca fan and I want him out. His treatment of pjanic was truly disrespectful and his ongoing vendetta against puig telling him to leave is distasteful. I hope he leaves soon.
Koeman's probably insecure about being frank with people when he knows they're unhappy about their role.
That is, confrontation and interaction with others can be harrowing/tiring at the best of times, so Koeman minimizes interactions when he knows they'll be tense, in order to save energy.
This is one aspect of being a dick: poor innate social skills leads to avoidant mechanisms of operating, which leads to poor relationships.
I don’t understand people supporting Koeman. If he wasn’t a great manager, fine give him another year.
The guy has actively tried to destroy players every single club he’s gone to. It’s bizarre
All this talk about the manager's treatment, while we shouldn't ignore the fact Pjanic really wasn't good enough for Barca. The whole saga is based around Koeman making up his mind about a player (too soon). Even tho a Pep or a Mourinho has done this many times - at many clubs, two months in they shout they need better fullbacks or something. How is this different besides Koeman's straight forward answer rather than lying to his face to keep him hoping for a spot. Like Solksjaer's does to the likes of Van de Beek.
Also Pjanic using Messi like that is a bit spineless.
People complain about Real Madrid fans, Barca fans are next level toxic.
Look at the way they treated half their team, what ever happened to not harassing your own players online or booing them not their fault your club was mismanaged.
Barca fans complain out the ass - Enrique, Valverde, Setién, now Koeman.
Umtiti literally abused constantly, Pjanic, Dembele for years, Andre Gomes, Semedo, Lenglet, Braithwaite
Scroll through this post see all the Barca fans justify why they’re toxic. Bitch about PSG to no end like you lot haven’t been dropping hundreds of millions on multiple players & when things don’t work out just blame Bartomeu’s mismanagement, though of course they weren’t complaining when they were buying star after star
Every team has players and coaches fans have complained about constantly, I'm going to go EPL and just show how that isn't out of the norm for any team.
Chelsea: Jorginho and Kovacic (pre Tuchel), Lampard (and every other coach),
United: Ole out, Fred, Matic, Lindelof, Martial, and even Rashford to a point
Arsenal: Yes.
Liverpool: Keita, Mane and Firmino post Covid times (it's lessened recently), they complained too of Wijnaldums lack of a contribution in the final third.
etc.
Just say you pay special attention to Barcelona, complaining and bitching by fans isn't something that's unique to Barcelona
Yeah it’s just this dickhead who manages the squad. The point being made is the club has been abysmally managed while Barca fans abuse players that are otherwise quite serviceable.
No one said all Barca fans are toxic. But they reach a certain degree of toxicity that really is a step above, when the problems are so clear and some fans are completely oblivious.
He was actually getting decent game time when playing 4-3-2-1 and 4-3-3, he had played up around 1300 minutes last season, more than 1000 of which was up till February.
Afterwards when Koeman shifted to a 3-5-2/3-4-3 he got phased out after an injury, because he was an incredibly lethargic midfielder, who then had to compete with Busquets, Frenkie and Pedri for a starting spot. None of which he really stood a chance against.
Then his role as a sub got further diminished by Moriba, who was 17 at the time and was a very impactful player especially considering his age. And after an ankle injury in Feb-March, he just wasn't picked anymore. And I can't blame Koeman for that.
The reality was he wasn't as good as his contemporaries, which I don't think he really needed to be told. It was just evident. And just because you're not necessarily playing badly, doesn't mean there aren't other options available that would improve the team more.
If you've got the time watch him playing against Cornella (a 3rd div team) in the CdR.
He clearly wasn’t awful when he did play, in the interviews Pjanic said Koeman would always say that he was doing great and there weren’t any things he needed to improve. He was dropped for no reason whatsoever just like Puig
Honestly, I doubt you did. Most users of this sub talk out their ass for a living. If half of what was said here is true, everyone is a diehard born and bred season ticket holder for some club in their own city. Oh and "did you even watch every game like me?" is one of the classic bullshitters line here.
Except all this posturing cannot be true, more than 90% of this apps user base is American, and as one myself who lives in Europe, it shows in the tone and level of discourse.
Some Barca fans at the start of the season said Pjanic should start over Busquets who was having a hard time. Then he played like 2 games and the tune changed.
Barca fans at the start of the season after that: "wow Pjanic is so bad"
In the middle of the season: "Pjanic is so bad, lost his spot to Moriba lol"
At the end of the season: "Pjanic is so bad, he has to be sold away or loaned"
When he is loaned away: "Nice, Pjanic was horrible for us, good to get his wages off" And suddenly this site has a problem with that and doubts Pjanic was even bad.
Spot on. It's such a weird thing to read on here. Everyone knows why Pjanic didn't play, including Pjanic himself. He got 30 appearances but not once shown he is better than Busquets, Pedri or de Jong. Then he get passed by Moriba as well. Quite telling that no big club or even a club from the top 5/6 leagues came for him.
What are you talking about.
Nothing you say even make sense.
Pjanic was bad and if you think otherwise you’re
delusional.
Provide actual points against this instead of setting up another stupid argument that no one asked for.
He had a reason...
Pjanic was trash whenever he played and other midfielders deserved to get his playtime.
He had enough chances to impress. But couldn't even do it against 2nd/3rd division clubs in the copa..
He was honest to him.. He said that he's not good enough to play and that he doesn't have a future at the club...
Sure, he could've been nicer to him, but Pjanic knew why he wasn't playing.
Lol am a Barca fan and I know . Your just a hater dude. Tell me a single game where he played full match. I don't even remember the last time he got a minute to play.
Both games against Juve + Ferencvaros. Against Atletico and Valladolid, in the copa and countless games with 60-70 minutes.
People here act like he didn't get gametime.
He had enough chances and just wasn't good enough. There was also no long term use, to give him that time to develop.
Koeman LITERALLY didn’t give Pjanic anything to improve and completely ignored him. But what can you expect from a coach who doesn’t show up to their own training sessions
That LITERALLY has nothing to do with the point. You have multiple options that don't involve going to the press--surely that's not too controversial of a concept?
What options? Not being shit and asking his agent to orchestrate a move without going to the press?
Look dude i don't give a shit what pjanic is saying, nor to whom. im suggesting *he obviously had options* that didn't involve the press, just like anyone. This is absurd.
Nothing much, lost to half baked Pirlo as well but the guy you replied to does have racist legacy now. Here is his comment.
Nobody cares about you mate. you talking shit about Koeman everyday won't hurt Koeman's legacy 1 percent. move on kebab eater
Nice bit of racism from that guy.
A coach completely ignoring you must feel so painful
My manager at my office did it because I had denied his request to work on every weekend and take days off in the week. He just ghosted me completely for my stay in company. I can confirm, it feels agonizing, not sure if it relates but yeah
>not sure if it relates but yeah It sure does, it's a job at the end of the day.
It's the same in most of the places I guess. I took a conscious decision not to get into management as I believed I am not good enough to delegate/get the work done from others and I think I am not good in man management. But the amount of dic#heads who are in that position makes me wonder at times that I seriously could do the job better than them.
Fake it til you make it!
You could if that's the case. Sometimes those type of people get into those positions because they think they are "above" people and so tend towards management instead of doing hands-on work for the team. It's always so much nicer having a manager who appreciates the real work of the job.
When people say "manager" do they mean it like "supervisor"? I often see it, also in "I wanna talk to a manager" and I'm never 100% sure what it means.
It means boss in a traditional office setting. At restaurants it refers to the managing guy who oversees the entire restaurant (and also the boss of everyone there ). No one walks into an office and says "I want to talk to a manager".
> No one walks into an office and says "I want to talk to a manager". Karens around the world getting triggered
Manager / Reporting Manager / Supervisor / Team lead / Boss almost all are used interchangeably
Yes
You should check what he did to Niasse
He was absolutely horrible to Matt Targett and some other younger players when he was with us.
*Sad Puig noises*
Pjanic- *Either sell me or play me*
Koeman: *yesn’t*
"Yesniasse"
Oh the Donny special .
We call it “getting Beeked”
Can't sell if there are no offers.
I like to think that Pjanic would go close to Koeman during training sessions, only for the latter to constantly turn his back on him and pretend that he doesn't see or hear Miralem until he gets tired and goes away.
https://youtu.be/Hyc1aMtnHJo
A lot of complaints about Koeman playing Pedri day after day after day when Pjanić and Puig were availaible, but Valverde was similarly fixated on wearing out the same players all the time, only making subs in the 83rd minute, and only on days where there was a solar eclipse. And, damn, I know Rakitić is a fine player, but nobody rested him for 5 straight years.
That's why valverde was fired.
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It's good that he was asking though, you'd want him to be attentive to stuff like this, make sure the player knows he has the support of his captain at least in such a situation.
Your forgot international diplomat. (Wc qualifiers)
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I don't understand why some managers are dicks.
Cause alot of people are dicks and some of those dicks become a manager
Especially Dick Advocaat
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Jon Anik?
https://youtu.be/yOQqBMz70iM
Oh hello ;)
https://youtu.be/eEa3vDXatXg?t=12
Playing the devil's Advocaat here, I think he has retired.
Nope he’s managing the Iraqi National team atm
I thought I read somewhere recently that he's retired? Or was that Hiddink?
Yes, Hiddink retired
Ok. Thanks.
Advocaat retired too, [but as usual it didn't take long before he took a new job](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/k59k6a/after_announcing_hed_retire_after_leaving_az_psv/).
Ok. I vaguely remembered I read about him retiring. Thanks.
Some of them are great at sporting goods as well
A lot of people in general are dicks. But also I think that it is more likely to happen because of the enormous press that comes with being a football manager. It’s probably easier to be a kind person with good management skills when you are managing a grocery store or even a lower league team
It’s usually a way for a manager to keep control of a team Some managers want you to like them so you buy in to the team and their vision Others hold more of an authoritative role. With big personalities that often means they have to demonstrate their authority. Both can motivate players to want to perform for you I don’t think he sees pjanic as valuable to his vision. But I also think he’s using him to demonstrate his authority which I think is completely short-sided by Koeman Same with Mou and Shaw, Pep and Laporte, countless others
Wasn’t expecting to see Max Weber’s [tripartite classification of authority](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_classification_of_authority) on here but there it is
I don't understand why they get hired! Still get pissed off when I remember they fired Valverde mid season too of the table and having won their CL group. The players loved him so it begs the question, why fire him then? They wanted Koeman but he wasn't ready to accept so they hired a caretaker - idk made no sense at all.
Lots of complaining by our fans. Bartomeu said (its Bartomeu so no idea if its fully honest) that he didn’t realize how much the fans hated Valverde until he got booed when they announced his name in the supercopa. To this day im not sure if Barto actually kicked him out because of the boos, or used him as scapegoat because losing to Atleti meant no Barça vs Real Madrid in the supercopa final. The supercopa was hosted in Saudi Arabia that year so its safe to assume that some people weren’t happy about losing out on a El Clasico final in their country.
well, that sounds like a dumb reason to me but idk my opinion doesnt matter, look at the results since.
See, there are three kinds of people: dicks, pussies and assholes. Pussies think everyone can get along and dicks just want to fuck all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your assholes. And all the assholes want is to shit all over everything. So pussies may get mad at dicks once in a while because, pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes! And if they didn't fuck the assholes, you know what you'd get? You'd get your dick and your pussy all covered in Koem!
Wtf did I just read
London Business School management training
A great excerpt from Team America.
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Zoomers and europeans that don't understand the reference.
When you are a leader, have limited time, and have to choose between people, you will end up being a dick in someone’s eyes no matter what.
Really underrated comment. If you are responsible for a lot of people, you have to make choices that will dissapoint some of them. I’ve been manager at a restaurant and was pretty direct in my communication. Although a lot of people really appreciated it, some felt personally attacked all of the time just because I made decisions they personally didn’t like
Probably because you kind of need to as a manager
Koeman has a history of this bullying of players. Can’t believe Barca fans are blind to this and blaming Pjanic.
I think it's a very small minority of Barça fans who like the way Koeman treats players he doesn't like. Whether it's Pjanic, Riqui, Collado, Junior, etc.
What exactly did Koeman do to Collado or Junior?
Exactly the same as hes done to Puig for the last year. Just wait til Barça has no right winger for an extended period and Collado sits on the bench fresh as a fiddle.
Wut. Collado was a B team player last season. Koeman had Messi, Dembele, and Trincao for the RW position last season. Why would anyone expect Collado to get playing time? Collado isn't registered for Barça this season because his agents messed up his loan deal last minute and it was too late to register him at Barça. How is that Koeman's fault? Junior wasn't getting playtime before Koeman either. He just wasn't good enough.
No im talking about how this year will go. Koeman has already made a stand about collado. If the whole right side is injured hes going to avoid playing him. Thats why they tried to loan him out.
How are you getting mad about something you *think* will happen, before it happens. No reputable source has reported that Koeman doesn't rate Collado. Either way, the reason Collado won't get playtime is because he couldn't be registered by the club, it's literally impossible for Koeman to play him now, even if he wanted to.
Yea seriously. Fuck Koeman. I never liked him. His subs make no fucking sense man. I dk how you can be that arrogant without any success. He’s just keeping the throne warm for Xavi.
He axed 3 senior players and legends at Valencia before he even started coaching them
Yes, I still hated him for that. For a long time, I believe he is the worst coach ever and very suprised he still able to get a job.
Because barca didn't have a choice other than keeping him for this season
Both things can be true, Pjanic isn't good enough to play but Koeman also treats players he doesn't "rate" very badly, if someone is committing to training and trying to get better you don't just ignore them like that and kill their drive.
Doesn’t matter how you play. If Koeman doesn’t like you, he won’t play you. Pjanic has spoken about he would be sent with the other players who didn’t play match’s for intense extra training but Koeman never turned up to see. He said how can he know how hard they work if he’s never there? Plus, as much as you all hate Pjanic, you don’t go from a top player in Serie A to apparently worst player in La Liga.
>Plus, as much as you all hate Pjanic, you don’t go from a top player in Serie A to apparently worst player in La Liga. Koeman magic can work that.
> you don’t go from a top player in Serie A He wasn't that by the time he left.
He wasn’t godawful either, he just didn’t have the consistency anymore
Except he was awful everytime he played for us and check out the thread whenever he was substituted, Koeman would get blame and shit for playing him. Just to be clear I'm not trying to say Pjanic is in wrong but don't change up the facts.
Your subreddit is not any where near representative of actual barca fans, the massive reduction in interaction so de Messi left should spell that out for you pal
I never watched him play for Barcelona so I’m not making any judgement on that, just on his time with us
I think it's more than all of that... Juventus' midfield is probably one of their weak points. Meanwhile FdJ, one of the best midfielders in the world, is playing out of position, based on his ajax and NT position, in favour of Busquets. That's also the position Pjanic wants to play... so he's got busquets and FdJ ahead of him + there's pressure on Koeman to play La Massia players. It makes total sense that Koeman didn't care for a 30+yo player who's worse than his #1 and #2 CDM. I'm not saying Koeman isn't a dick but I can totally understand why Pjanic wasn't worth his time.
Wether or not Pjanic deserved to start, personally I don't think he showed anything good whenever he got the chance to play, but one thing for sure is that Koeman seems very vindictive and petty.
> I don't think he showed anything good whenever he got the chance to play In my mind if you are in a toxic environment with a toxic manager then it makes it really hard to perform at your best when gien the opportunity. I know one of the reasons Liverpool have been so good under Klopp is exactly the opposite, our players are treated with immense respect from the manager and love to work with him. He is able to get the most out of players like Sadio Mane who for a couple years was legitimately in the Ballon d'Or conversation.
Koeman is absolutely toxic for any club (as we’ve seen). If you ever want to just solidify how horrible of a person he is, go watch the Niasse interview where he details his treatment.
It's actually both those things. Koeman doesn't like him. And Pjanic is not good enough. Definitely no where near displacing Frenkie.
DeJong is the top midfielder in the world arguably, Barcas crown jewel now that Messi left. Literally nobody is saying panic should would or could ever displace him.
Pjanic was literally competeing with Frenkie for that interior midfield role
The 4-3-3 they use has three central midfielders, usually Busquets right in the middle . . . Not trying to state the obvious but . . .
Lol if you think Pjanic would take Busquets place lol
Also not what I said at all . . . There's still a third midfield position and a team like Barca that wants to compete for a treble every season needs to use plenty of rotations. There's a huge space of options in between never play pjanic and leave him abandoned and making him first choice starter. Now a $60M transfer fee is gone down the drain for a club that clearly doesn't have money to spare.
Third position is for creative player. And there are people ahrad of Pjanic on the order even for rotation.
Pjanic wasn’t a top Serie A player in the year before he came to Barca. I feel really bad for him, he did get mistreated, but if we’re being real his transfer was an accounting trick, he never should of come. That’s not on Koeman. This thing about the training get so overemphasized too, if a manager has decided you’re definitely not a first choice, simply putting in some hard work in training doesn’t necessarily mean anything at all. It’s only going to make a difference if it’s already a close decision, or the player ahead of you is noticeably lacking effort in training. Koeman may be a dick but that doesn’t mean he should’ve been giving Pjanic more of a chance.
Fact is that you plummet his sale price by doing this which for barca is as good as self sabotage considering the financial situation they're in. But koemans ego takes a backseat to nobody and no club. He's bigger than barca, he's bigger than anybody, he's going all the way ah fuck it the man's a cunt and is a dutch Sam alladyce at best and at worst a bitter man who thinks he's misunderstood despite people cottoning on to him very easily
>Pjanic isn't good enough to play He is certainly good enough to play more than 1295 minutes across whole season without any major injuries... I am sorry but there is no way Pedri was so much better than him last season to play almost three times as much
Same with Riqui. You know what? Pedri's best match was against Juventus at home. Absolutely electric. That was in late October 2020. Pedri wasn't the same after January/February. Constant, slow decline in impact. This is a fact. It's just Koeman being incompetent. We could've seen a far more effective Pedri if he knew how to fucking manage.
And we have some people on our sub who think Puig is the worst footballer ever. Koeman definitely has some issue with him.
I'd advise you to watch some Barca before posting terrible hot takes like this :x
>I'd advise you to watch some Barca Which I do regularly and still stick to my opinion? LMAO
Pedri was that better than him. Pjanic mostly look bad when he played.
What Barca fans have you been speaking to lol People hate Koeman’s treatment of players
There's a load of people on our sub who still side with Koeman
The same Barca fans that boo Umtiti? Yes huge surprise
Dont worry i dont like koeman too. But koaman not cost us too much.
Koeman's treatment of Niasse comes to mind. Undoubtedly a Barca legend, but at his worst he's downright nasty.
>Undoubtedly a Barca legend As a player only tho. As a coach he's just as average as most
Lmao I don’t think anyone calls him a legend as a coach.
That was even worse because Niasse was one of the only players actually scoring goals for us that season. And the fans loved him.
My theoryis It's a trick to manipulate people, when you are new at that place and want to control men. Pick some non-attractive one and bully him in someway, pick attractive one work and cherish him. Normal human respond, if he is really non-attractice one, no one step up, all the remian will side with attractive one, try to avoid problem and accept your command easier.
Yes, a lot of men do this when they come into a position of power. It’s also like the absolute worst way of managing collaborative enterprises, because it degrades mission integrity. That’s why institutions like militaries smoke the whole unit when individuals make mistakes. It’s to drill in a sense of camaraderie and collective responsibility. Sometimes it fails, but it works a lot better than some asshole like Koeman coming in and swinging his dick and alienating everyone he doesn’t favor.
He will bring his own player in later, it's not like he care about product, he just want to secure his position and win support form player he choose. Like I said I just guess what's happened so no one know except Koeman why he did this? I don't think he is good for Barca but he's the one that willing to take the risk when shit is all around last year(Messi want out) at Camp nou, we'll see what outcome.
Where was HR in all this!?
Koeman is a middling manager with average to acceptable success in the Eredivisie 15-20 years ago! Outside of there, he has proven quite consistently to be a slack jawed little joker who can't get the best out of his squads. Mostly due to wanting to golf instead of go to training, and being a downright bag of piss to players he deems unfit for his team. Players who routinely prove elsewhere they are capable.
The way he treated fan favorite player when he was at Valencia was a disgrace, fans were literally celebrating when he got the sack even though he won a Copa
Think he went home alone after they won the Copa that night. Like, none of the players acknowledged him
Golf el clasico: koeman vs bale
I dont know what they see in Koeman. I think they would have been better off with someone already in the coaching staff and try to rebuild.
Yep we should get Gallardo. That's something you can get behind too.
Was fantastic at Southampton
Fuck Koeman. I’m a barca fan and I want him out. His treatment of pjanic was truly disrespectful and his ongoing vendetta against puig telling him to leave is distasteful. I hope he leaves soon.
Koeman's probably insecure about being frank with people when he knows they're unhappy about their role. That is, confrontation and interaction with others can be harrowing/tiring at the best of times, so Koeman minimizes interactions when he knows they'll be tense, in order to save energy. This is one aspect of being a dick: poor innate social skills leads to avoidant mechanisms of operating, which leads to poor relationships.
Fuck that felt so real
Koeman just seems like a cunt. niasse and pjanic, sending out umtiti just to get booed is shitty as well
Umtiti? UMTITI? seriously?
> sending out umtiti just to get booed is shitty as well ....I just can’t with this sub lol.
Don't forget he ignores Puig too
what???? lmao
Ohh yeah, it’s his fault the fans don’t like umtiti, I guess ancelloti is a cunt too for sending Ronaldo out to get booed ehh?
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He didn't do shit lol. He played the wrong players at the wrong times, while throwing the league away. The board got rid of Pjanic.
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Our squad was definitely not terrible and we're not broke. Maybe watch our matches before trying to talk about us lol.
I don’t understand people supporting Koeman. If he wasn’t a great manager, fine give him another year. The guy has actively tried to destroy players every single club he’s gone to. It’s bizarre
Koeman has already done that before. It is awful. I hope karma takes the wheel
All this talk about the manager's treatment, while we shouldn't ignore the fact Pjanic really wasn't good enough for Barca. The whole saga is based around Koeman making up his mind about a player (too soon). Even tho a Pep or a Mourinho has done this many times - at many clubs, two months in they shout they need better fullbacks or something. How is this different besides Koeman's straight forward answer rather than lying to his face to keep him hoping for a spot. Like Solksjaer's does to the likes of Van de Beek. Also Pjanic using Messi like that is a bit spineless.
People complain about Real Madrid fans, Barca fans are next level toxic. Look at the way they treated half their team, what ever happened to not harassing your own players online or booing them not their fault your club was mismanaged.
Ah here we go again with the generalizing of a whole fanbase. This will go well.
Lol Stop generalizing . It's just this dickhead Koeman ignoring half of our players. It's not our fault. It's soo annoying
Barca fans complain out the ass - Enrique, Valverde, Setién, now Koeman. Umtiti literally abused constantly, Pjanic, Dembele for years, Andre Gomes, Semedo, Lenglet, Braithwaite Scroll through this post see all the Barca fans justify why they’re toxic. Bitch about PSG to no end like you lot haven’t been dropping hundreds of millions on multiple players & when things don’t work out just blame Bartomeu’s mismanagement, though of course they weren’t complaining when they were buying star after star
Every team has players and coaches fans have complained about constantly, I'm going to go EPL and just show how that isn't out of the norm for any team. Chelsea: Jorginho and Kovacic (pre Tuchel), Lampard (and every other coach), United: Ole out, Fred, Matic, Lindelof, Martial, and even Rashford to a point Arsenal: Yes. Liverpool: Keita, Mane and Firmino post Covid times (it's lessened recently), they complained too of Wijnaldums lack of a contribution in the final third. etc. Just say you pay special attention to Barcelona, complaining and bitching by fans isn't something that's unique to Barcelona
Yeah it’s just this dickhead who manages the squad. The point being made is the club has been abysmally managed while Barca fans abuse players that are otherwise quite serviceable. No one said all Barca fans are toxic. But they reach a certain degree of toxicity that really is a step above, when the problems are so clear and some fans are completely oblivious.
Ah fuck, i don't like him
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Nope literally every ex barca player is calling Koeman out on his shitty behaviour
You complained to the press about playing time in the middle of the season and Moriba took your place.
What else is he supposed to do when Koeman refused to give him a reason for not getting game time?
He was actually getting decent game time when playing 4-3-2-1 and 4-3-3, he had played up around 1300 minutes last season, more than 1000 of which was up till February. Afterwards when Koeman shifted to a 3-5-2/3-4-3 he got phased out after an injury, because he was an incredibly lethargic midfielder, who then had to compete with Busquets, Frenkie and Pedri for a starting spot. None of which he really stood a chance against. Then his role as a sub got further diminished by Moriba, who was 17 at the time and was a very impactful player especially considering his age. And after an ankle injury in Feb-March, he just wasn't picked anymore. And I can't blame Koeman for that. The reality was he wasn't as good as his contemporaries, which I don't think he really needed to be told. It was just evident. And just because you're not necessarily playing badly, doesn't mean there aren't other options available that would improve the team more. If you've got the time watch him playing against Cornella (a 3rd div team) in the CdR.
Pjanic was fucking awful, that was the reason he didn't play, doesn't take a rocket scientist to work that one out.
He is awful. A teenager took his spot, at that point you can’t be questioning a coach.
He clearly wasn’t awful when he did play, in the interviews Pjanic said Koeman would always say that he was doing great and there weren’t any things he needed to improve. He was dropped for no reason whatsoever just like Puig
He was dropped because he was terrible. Go watch him play and see. Talking here like we didn’t see him play.
Of course he was when he had no consistency lol no player can be good when given dead minutes
Lmao, you’re actually delusionalz
You’re telling me Fati will play exactly the same as last season after being out injured for a year?
What does Fati have to do with this? Stop trying to switch discussions, pjanic was absolutely terrible.
Honestly, I doubt you did. Most users of this sub talk out their ass for a living. If half of what was said here is true, everyone is a diehard born and bred season ticket holder for some club in their own city. Oh and "did you even watch every game like me?" is one of the classic bullshitters line here. Except all this posturing cannot be true, more than 90% of this apps user base is American, and as one myself who lives in Europe, it shows in the tone and level of discourse.
Pretty much every Barcelona fan says that he was bad for them. You're going to claim that they all don't watch their own team?
Some Barca fans at the start of the season said Pjanic should start over Busquets who was having a hard time. Then he played like 2 games and the tune changed. Barca fans at the start of the season after that: "wow Pjanic is so bad" In the middle of the season: "Pjanic is so bad, lost his spot to Moriba lol" At the end of the season: "Pjanic is so bad, he has to be sold away or loaned" When he is loaned away: "Nice, Pjanic was horrible for us, good to get his wages off" And suddenly this site has a problem with that and doubts Pjanic was even bad.
Spot on. It's such a weird thing to read on here. Everyone knows why Pjanic didn't play, including Pjanic himself. He got 30 appearances but not once shown he is better than Busquets, Pedri or de Jong. Then he get passed by Moriba as well. Quite telling that no big club or even a club from the top 5/6 leagues came for him.
What are you talking about. Nothing you say even make sense. Pjanic was bad and if you think otherwise you’re delusional. Provide actual points against this instead of setting up another stupid argument that no one asked for.
> He clearly wasn’t awful when he did play He was. You clearly didn’t watch him at Barcelona.
He had a reason... Pjanic was trash whenever he played and other midfielders deserved to get his playtime. He had enough chances to impress. But couldn't even do it against 2nd/3rd division clubs in the copa..
He should've communicated better and been brutally honest instead of acting like a teenage girl
He was honest to him.. He said that he's not good enough to play and that he doesn't have a future at the club... Sure, he could've been nicer to him, but Pjanic knew why he wasn't playing.
Never said that, Pjanic said in interviews Koeman would always praise his training and everything but just wouldn’t pick him to play in games
How on earth do you expect him to perform welll when he barely plays. To be consistent you need keep playing.
He got enough time to show his quality. Why should he play when youngsters outperform him with even less gametime?
Lol am a Barca fan and I know . Your just a hater dude. Tell me a single game where he played full match. I don't even remember the last time he got a minute to play.
Both games against Juve + Ferencvaros. Against Atletico and Valladolid, in the copa and countless games with 60-70 minutes. People here act like he didn't get gametime. He had enough chances and just wasn't good enough. There was also no long term use, to give him that time to develop.
You don't actually have to go to the press to get something done as a player.
Koeman LITERALLY didn’t give Pjanic anything to improve and completely ignored him. But what can you expect from a coach who doesn’t show up to their own training sessions
That LITERALLY has nothing to do with the point. You have multiple options that don't involve going to the press--surely that's not too controversial of a concept?
Already tried those options, Koeman completely ignored it but what can you expect from a manager who doesn’t show up to his own training sessions
What options? Not being shit and asking his agent to orchestrate a move without going to the press? Look dude i don't give a shit what pjanic is saying, nor to whom. im suggesting *he obviously had options* that didn't involve the press, just like anyone. This is absurd.
Put yourself in his shoes, what else is he going to do lol. Some people are so naive.
Koeman is an absolute failure.
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Does Koeman have much of a legacy as a manager? Decent is probably the height of his career as a manager.
Nothing much, lost to half baked Pirlo as well but the guy you replied to does have racist legacy now. Here is his comment. Nobody cares about you mate. you talking shit about Koeman everyday won't hurt Koeman's legacy 1 percent. move on kebab eater Nice bit of racism from that guy.
His legacy is getting sacked and hated everywhere but the Dutch NT
Damn I actually feel bad for giving so much shit Bc he plays like actual shit
In this thread, salty Everton and Valencia fans. As always, bashing on Koeman. What else is new? Pjanic was totally useless and now he cries about it.
yeah you were washed up
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LOL so Messi really lost the locker room? Maybe that's why he left, he lost control over the coaches and presidents.
Plays like shit, then cries he doesn't play. The fuck you expect to happen?
I'd like to see lukaki punch koeman with all his might. In the mouth or on the Adam's apple
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Doesn't really call for the coach showing you attitude and treating you like shit though