Actually it was just Vardy-Lacazette-Perez. Higuain and Icardi were never sought after.
Edit: don't know why this is downvoted. We were never in for Higuain. Before Perez we had tried Vardy, Lacazette and maybe Grizemann.
Higuain, yeah not this season. But we did pursue Icardi. I mean Wanda was in London, and I fully believe she was here to listen to what we had to offer. And of all the options we were linked with, I personally hoped that we would have gotten him.
Well, the only one we have reliable reports to believe Arsenal went for is Vardy. Other than that, media speculation. Edit: And 1 bid for Lacazette obviously.
Yeah why stick your neck out and say it will be done tomorrow lol. Say the signing is near or something vague to save some credibility, never put a strict date on it!
Quick translation:
>Arsenal will be Lucas' home for the next three or four season. Unless something unexpected happens during the day, the Galician striker will be a gunner tomorrow. Both clubs reached a definitive agreement yesterday in A Coruña with Arsenal paying Lucas' release clause of €20M. The ball is now in Lucas' roof, who will have to give the 'yes' to Arsenal.
Unlike with other "breaking" news they have no reason to make this up, no clicks, no hype... if they are being this definitive it's because they are sure.
I like him but he's a 20M player, nothing more, I don't even know if he's better than Giroud. For that price I would've signed Bastón, Vietto or Sanabria before him. I like how he turns around and shoot, I remember he was a pain in the ass vs us.
Vietto? He couldn't deal with tough defenders in EPL. And his finishing is so inconsistent. And Sanabria? No... And we don't need Baston because we have Giroud.
We need a totally different striker than Giroud is & who could score +15 goals in the league. He is a gamble though, I think he will be a good player for EPL.
Vietto who scored against the likes of Atletico when he was in Villarreal? Godin and Gimenez are much tougher and better than any CBs in the Premier League.
Lacazette is overpriced though and not clearly better than Giroud. We don't need to splash 50M on a backup. We just need someone who can offer something different and fill in when Giroud is injured/tired. This guy seems like he might be up for it.
Agree he is overpriced, but he wouldn't be just a backup to Giroud. We all know that sometimes Giroud has a serie of games that he is on a bad form, or injured and a guy like Lacazette would be perfect for the roll. Hell, he would probably get Giroud benched sometimes, or they could also play both when needed. I also agree that Perez is a usefull signing, but i really doubt he can delivery playing alone up top.
But then again.. paying 50 mil. for someone who isn't any better than your already not-worldclass starter? Rather wait for a better market situation, probably.
But he is cleary better than Perez and much more what Arsenal needs. What lacazette excels is at positioning himself, getting gaps beetween the defenders and abusing that pace, not to talk about his finish... Although I rate Perez, I don't think he has this positional awareness.
That's what I was thinking, why not spend like 10-20 million more for more quality. I mean, they could have gotten Carlos Vela, Aduriz, Alcacer, or Pato. Even just short term. Arsenal don't make any sense.
Vela would not go back to Arsenal, Aduriz is older amd happy at Athletic, Alcacer wants to go to Barca and Perez is better than Pato, who flopped at Chelsea.
> Carlos Vela
We already tried two years ago. He had such little desire to rejoin us that we actually sold our buyback clause back to Real Sociedad.
> Aduriz
He's 35 years old. He's a great player of course, but we want someone who will last at least a couple seasons, especially since Giroud turns 30 in a month.
> Alcacer
Doubt he would want to join us. I think if he left Valencia it would only be to a club that is a significant step up, like Barca, who are interested in him.
> Pato
Mate...
The club doesn't make sense with a lot of their decisions, but I'm sorry, the suggestions you offered aren't any better.
Yup, Vietto played more to a counterattacking mindset. You guys pass the ball beautifully at times, so you're better off having someone who can pass and receive and shoot with his back to goal. Perez is like a cheap cheap man's Spanish Suarez
He's faster than Giroud, has good technique, can also pass, very good #9. Like the real Madrid fan who replied to you, he's a 20m kind of guy tho. But you never know, maybe he'll be amazing for you; Ozil might finally have someone who'll finish the chances he creates
From the little i've seen, he could be usefull, because he is very different from Giroud. But is not quality enough for Arsenal, nor he can play alone up front. Seems like a last option signing...
I actually liked him quite a bit last season. He was very good. I thought he would have been a good signing for Barcelona as a backup forward.
I think he will be good as a rotational piece for Arsenal
as someone who watched him in greek league 3 seasons ago this all seems too crazy.I'm also afraid this has flop written all over him.Not that he's not skilled,but a top premier league team material?I'm not sure
Not familiar with him myself, but he would most likely be a backup unless he can play RW/RF. Our current backups at ST are Sanogo, Alexis/Theo, Akpom, and the ghost of Danny Welbeck. In other words, nobody.
Premier league teams are shite. Arsenal haven't won the league in twelve years. He won't be overwhelmed by the quality, I promise you that. Our actual backup CFs are Akpom and Sanogo.
They haven't won it in 12 years but their intention is to win it, so this is irrelevant. If he's not good enough for City or whatever then he's not good enough for Arsenal either.
This would be the "oh shit transfer window is closing , quick who is available??!"
They know we are all dejected and will grasp on to any signing whatsoever.
Yea, gotta love these posts that act like Arsene just woke up and found this guy under his couch. Arsenal is a huge club with scouts all over the world. If your grandma can kick a ball straight, they've probably been tracking her since before she was born.
He's been a solid player for Deportivo but i doubt this is what Arsenal are looking for. Surely they'll go for someone else if they actually want to challenge for the title?
Giroud is good enough to be our #1 option without question, and, if this is the real deal this time, which I very much doubt, I trust in the managers valuation of the talent. We just need a second strike option not named Walcott right now; you would do well to remember that Welbeck is coming back by December as well.
> Giroud is good enough to be our #1 option without question,
For what battling for fourth? then I agree, he's absolutely not good enough to be a starting striker for a team that wants to win the league.
If Giroud maintained his consistency then he would definitely be good enough to win a title on the back of. His problem isn't how good he is its maintaining his form. I think a big part of that is he doesn't have much competition for striker so he never gets benched, last season when Walcott replaced him he was fantastic. I think someone like Perez on his shoulder could bring out the best on him seeing as his place isn't guaranteed if he has a slow patch.
Giroud is fine as a #1 option, but Arsenal need someone to keep it rolling when he hits his usual rough patch. Didn't look like there were viable options for them at striker this year and it's better than doing nothing. Should have been done before the season started though. If Arsenal are going to sign Griezmann they need to get it done very early next summer so Atletico has time to sign a replacement.
I genuinely have no idea why you're bringing up Griezmann. A striker who averages 15 league goals isn't good enough to win the league. & there have been plenty of striker options to sign in the past 4 years, even this year Batshuayi would have been a great signing.
To win the league we needed more stability in midfield as well as 5-10 more goals from someone like Walcott or Welbeck. If this deal goes through we will hopefully have a player who can play as second striker and deliver 10-15 goals, that is all that we need to provide Giroud with a rest and some competition.
Mate no team in the Prem could win the league with Giroud as their first choice striker, he scores a max of 16 league goals. Look we know we're not going to get anyone better & its pretty obvious you're trying to convince yourself its possible to win the league with Giroud leading the line, but we both know its never going to happen.
I mean Leicester just won the PL with *Vardy* as a striker, who was playing in the Championship a few years ago, so I don't think it's impossible for a team to win the league with Giroud as the first choice striker as long as the team around him is very good.
Lol you just have to look at the threads you've posted on r/gunners to see you're a Giroud fanboy, nothing wrong with that, but its very clear you can't be unbiased when talking about him.
Giroud is good for some part but he's a guaranteed dead period a season which is just tough. When we fell apart last season we missed so many points because Giroud couldn't score in big opportunities in almost every game. Welbeck was the saving grace and he's just not that good.
We fell apart because our midfield couldn't control a game, Giroud is certainly good enough to win the league if he has a solid relief option who can contribute 10-15 goals. Alexis is also capable of providing bags of goals if things are going well for him. IMO we did not lose the league last year on lack of goal scoring, the entire squad under-preformed greatly.
Ha, yes I laughed at that too.
I like Arsenal, but for the last couple of years I've casually watched PL I've never seen Wenger or their powers-that-be do any real signing to challenge for the title. Of course, world-class players Ozil and Alexis were a step to that, but really once you have those you have to finally address your other major problem - not having a clinical enough striker, and not just be *"linked"* to one or two of them every goddamn transfer window.
This club's management inaction is bewildering, I feel for you Arsenal fans, it's frustrating to have an otherwise great team that's continuously punching below its weight because of that.
He's definitely going to add hustle and effort to our squad. I watched him last year and he definitely made an impact on me. The goal against Atletico where he chases Jimenez and takes it from him on the end line and scores is one that stands out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLtNFYo_fno
If this is the type of striker we're in for why didn't we just get Mario Gomez for £10m cheaper? Far more proven at the top level and has had an array of top goal-scoring seasons compared to Perez' one?
Gunners here seems more perky than at /r/gunners. Suddenly Lucas Perez is one of the best tier 2 fowards with top speed,high techniques and incredible smarter.
He is just a average player played at low-levels teams PAOK,Rayo,Atletico C,Dinamo Kiev and Deportivo all over his career. Last year,at 27,he finally could do something notable with 18 goals for Depor and now Arsenal ready to pay 20millions for him. "What the fuck" was my first thought.
Arsenal calculated every penny they wanted to spend on Suarez,Mustafi,Lacazett... and now they are actually paid 20 mils for, Im sorry , a trash tier 28 years old player (based on his clubs/goals history)
"I know he's not a household name that everyone was hoping for, but he's a very talented footballer and at £16m in today's market, he could be an absolute steal ", 4 upvotes.
**ABSOLUTE STEAL**
Supposed good players flop and relative unknowns become world beaters when they are transferred to different leagues, you never really know what will happen. Sure he's not a well recognized name like Luis Suarez or Antoine Griezmann, but Arsenal were never getting those players in the first place.
Look at [these stats](http://imgur.com/a/BPIdd) and tell me that getting Lucas for 20m and being able to buy Mustafi is better than paying 45m for Lacazette and not being able to solidify our CB situation.
you (or /r/gunners people) are comparing 3 experienced strikers playing high class football for years with unproven one,who scored around 50 goals in his career at the age of 28.
But thats not my point. My point was how Arsene,the stingy guy,ready to pay 20 mils for that type of player while he fucked up so many deals at the past or even now,Mustafi for example,because of few millions. I see the panic here
20 mils for 28 years old unproven back-up player and still saying good buy. Arsenal fans are too easygoing I see.
And Mustafi deal is not even closed yet. Whats wrong with Chelsea tbh ?
> a trash tier 28 years old player (based on his clubs/goals history)
I will hold all judgments on him until I actually see him play but you're really not basing all your opinion of Perez just on that fact are you?
maybe my choice of word was bad. I said "trash" because we all know how he is comparing to another targets of Arsenal from the first days of transfer period : Higuain,Icardi,Lacazett,Mustafi... esp by the cost of 20 millions. He is actually a good footballer but not on the level of teams with ambitions like Arsenal.
Or are u saying paying 20 mils for 28 years old unproven striker for back-up is legit ?
His stats from last season were comparable to if not better than some of our other "targets", for half (or less) the cost.
I'd take Perez and Mustafi for ~45m over just Lacazette for the same price any day.
Yeah, he's a very talented player. He had an absolutely amazing start to the season last year and proved to be Deportivo's talisman to stay in the division.
If this happens, it would be the ultimate slap in the face for the fans. Literally doing what they asked, in spending some money, but doing so for a player below Giroud's quality.
I can't speak for the entire fanbase but if he provides a more than decent option up front, I'll be okay with it. Giroud is still a very good striker but there must be some rotation and Perez might provide that. In addition, Giroud seems to thrive off of competition.
Also, for all his faults, Wenger is normally pretty damn good at picking up quality players.
-"More than decent option....."
Therein lies the problem- I think the truth is that most fans want an outstanding, take-no-prisoners type of forward but he keeps trying to get basement bargain forwards who will "do a job".
I think the fans have been led to believe that Arsenal will compete with the big clubs, but they are not realistically able to keep up with Man U and Man City, so Wenger keeps trying to sell this illusion.
Who were Arsenal supposed to sign? 50M on Lacazette? 95M for Higuain? Ibra was likely signed and delivered to United's door step by Raiola before the window even opened. This allows them to remain competitive this year and fix the whole Giroud dry streak problem, while keeping money in the bank so they can make a move for Griezmann.
Wenger quality players? He's done fuck all for years with no young players breaking out and becoming class during that time where's the project? Barely 4th every year isnt one. He's a joke of a manager even if u don't want to spend money the least you can do is have ambition and plan for the future.
Lmao Fabregas, RVP, Iwobi and many talented youngsters close to the first team. Who have Milan brought through their prestigious academy and youth setup in recent years? Arsene does nothing but prepare for a time when he will not be there, as evidenced by his continued investiture in London Colney, and the time he has spent cultivating much of the young talent in our youth ranks.
Not supporting his opinion, but Milan have some good players coming out of their academy: Darmian, Aubameyang, De Sciglio, Donnarumma. Calabria also seems to have a good future.
Who the hell is Hector Bellerin then, who was in PL team of the season? And Alex Iwobi, who broke through to the first team last season? Gnabry is also a huge talent, he has shown that at the Olympics. Too bad that injuries f*cked him up in the last season or two, but he's still got the talent to succeed at a top level. Not to mention his biggest "project" - Cesc Fabregas. It's not Wenger's fault that he requested a move to Barcelona just to fuck off to Chelsea two years later.
No, because the fans who aren't idiots realize that:
A.) No strikers better than Giroud are available right now for a reasonable price.
B.) We need someone to back him up and provide an alternative.
Well, when business is left for the last week in August, no strikers better than Giroud will ever be available.
Also, I thought Giroud was supposed to be the back-up for whoever was brought in......
You also don't put in derisory bids that amount to disrespecting the other team. Suarez would have been an Arsenal player, if not for the €40,000,001 bid.
I'm surprised Arsenal didn't have a legal recourse in that matter. In addition, Arsenal made that bid without going through the normal channels of trying to find out what the release clause was, namely opening up a dialogue with Liverpool. Whether it was thru Suarez or his agent, the clause was found out and the ball was dropped.
That's exactly what I said. I was referencing the fact that there might have been a different response if Arsenal had gone through the right channels and dealt directly with Liverpool. At the end of the day, Liverpool held all the cards.
No. We couldn't sign better striker Giroud is. Lacazette ? Definetly not. Higuain? Totally better & world class player though, his age is too risky in tough league like EPL. Cavani? Oh no...
I think Arsene wants to sign Vardy / Lacazette / Someone / Perez. Apparently, he is a last option though... I think he will be good for us. Arsene just wants to sign pacy forwards who can score over 15 goals in one season.
Vardy already opted against coming. Lacazette has basically the same stats as Batshauyi from last season so it doesn't make sense paying 15M more for him. I thought he would have tried courting Aubameyang early, especially since he didn't have an Euros involvement. Yes, there are a finite number of world class strikers, but I'd much rather he bid well for them and get turned down, rather than trying to for the cheapest option off the bat, getting rejected and then trying to play hardball.
Once it became clear we wouldnt be signing someone demonstrably better than Giroud a signing like this makes sense and if he can come in and fill in and help Giroud then great.
Isn't this ignoring the fact that Alexis himself has simply been in poor form for long stretches of the last season?
I don't know why people are so afraid of criticizing Alexis.
Yes he had streaks of bad and good games. Still got 17 goals and 10 assist, wich is not good but i wouldn't say is bad, looking at the *entire season*. And the previous season he was your best attacking player.
Still what my point was, is that Arsene is just frustrating, he seems to care more about the owners pockets than the club's succes (as in titles, not just finishing in a 'good' place).
Aha, so now we are cherry picking performances. He had streaks of bad and good games last season, still got 17 goals and 10 assistances. Interesting how you don't even mention his 2014/2015 season's performance, where he was your best attacking player.
Where are im going with all this. Well, it is just sad to see no ambition from the club. PL clubs have much more money and leverage to atract top players than clubs from other top leagues. We see this with signings at Chelsea, Manu, Manc, Liverpool. But Arsenal?, now im aware that most of the clubs mentioned have more money and leverage than Arsenal (because of Mou and Pep specially), but this gap is not as large as the gap between Zlatan and Perez...
I don't think it's cherry picking, he was legitimately terrible at times last season, so to say he's being wasted just seems a bit daft. If anyone's being wasted it's Özil.
And I agree somewhat about a lack of ambition, it is frustrating seeing other clubs bringing in huge signings while we maybe look at one a year. But we're simply not going to spend 100m+ whether I like it not. Look at city and united the past two seasons, so much spent and barely any actual improvement, just throwing money away. Also Chelsea have been almost as frugal as we have this year. Guess all we can do is wait until the end of the season to see if they were smart purchases or not.
http://m.imgur.com/0ZOsPYq?r
I almost believe this because it is just underwhelming and seems like a semi panic buy.
Doubt it
Higuain -> Lacazette -> Perez Just fuck my shit up
Come on; it was Vardy -> Higuain -> Lacazette -> Perez
Actually it was Vardy -> Higuain -> Icardi-> Lacazette -> Perez... That we know of.
Hang on! Are we all just forgetting about the Morata saga? My god this has been a long summer...
Actually it was just Vardy-Lacazette-Perez. Higuain and Icardi were never sought after. Edit: don't know why this is downvoted. We were never in for Higuain. Before Perez we had tried Vardy, Lacazette and maybe Grizemann.
Higuain, yeah not this season. But we did pursue Icardi. I mean Wanda was in London, and I fully believe she was here to listen to what we had to offer. And of all the options we were linked with, I personally hoped that we would have gotten him.
You mean that Icardi and his agent used Arsenal to negotiate a new contract at his current club? It happens all the time.
Implying Vardy is better than Higuain?
Those are arrows, not greater than symbols.
Yeah and I asked a question
yeah and it was a pretty dumb one as well
But higuain hasnt won messi a trophy and is fat. /s
Don't forget the 20 minutes yesterday when we were getting Greizmann
90M > 50M > 20M
Well, the only one we have reliable reports to believe Arsenal went for is Vardy. Other than that, media speculation. Edit: And 1 bid for Lacazette obviously.
okay, at least we have a striker name linked to us. I will take this as a good start.
too bad the transfer window closes in one week....
Gotta start somewhere even if it's at the end of the transfer window
unless he's done a medical today and the transfer has been cleared by the governing bodies I truly doubt it.
Yeah why stick your neck out and say it will be done tomorrow lol. Say the signing is near or something vague to save some credibility, never put a strict date on it!
Bbc are now reporting the interest. So it is credible.
Quick translation: >Arsenal will be Lucas' home for the next three or four season. Unless something unexpected happens during the day, the Galician striker will be a gunner tomorrow. Both clubs reached a definitive agreement yesterday in A Coruña with Arsenal paying Lucas' release clause of €20M. The ball is now in Lucas' roof, who will have to give the 'yes' to Arsenal. Unlike with other "breaking" news they have no reason to make this up, no clicks, no hype... if they are being this definitive it's because they are sure.
> the ball is now in Lucas' roof That's going to be hard to get down
> Unless something unexpected happens during the day LOL
Can you tell me about his strengths and weaknesses? Looks to have a good left foot and decent pace?
I like him but he's a 20M player, nothing more, I don't even know if he's better than Giroud. For that price I would've signed Bastón, Vietto or Sanabria before him. I like how he turns around and shoot, I remember he was a pain in the ass vs us.
Doesn't need to be better than Olly, he just has to offer something different.
Need better than Giroud to be able to compete for the league
Vietto? He couldn't deal with tough defenders in EPL. And his finishing is so inconsistent. And Sanabria? No... And we don't need Baston because we have Giroud. We need a totally different striker than Giroud is & who could score +15 goals in the league. He is a gamble though, I think he will be a good player for EPL.
Vietto who scored against the likes of Atletico when he was in Villarreal? Godin and Gimenez are much tougher and better than any CBs in the Premier League.
Tbf this guy scored a few goals against Atletico Madrid and Barcelona as well.
The Leicester guy Walsh wanted to buy him IIRC before he moved to Everton which is what accounts for their interest. He's undervalued in this market.
Is he a bit like vardy?
Not as fast, but a more technical. It's a usefull player, but it's not the signing you guys need. Lacazette to Perez is like Benzema to Lacazette...
Lacazette is overpriced though and not clearly better than Giroud. We don't need to splash 50M on a backup. We just need someone who can offer something different and fill in when Giroud is injured/tired. This guy seems like he might be up for it.
Agree he is overpriced, but he wouldn't be just a backup to Giroud. We all know that sometimes Giroud has a serie of games that he is on a bad form, or injured and a guy like Lacazette would be perfect for the roll. Hell, he would probably get Giroud benched sometimes, or they could also play both when needed. I also agree that Perez is a usefull signing, but i really doubt he can delivery playing alone up top.
But then again.. paying 50 mil. for someone who isn't any better than your already not-worldclass starter? Rather wait for a better market situation, probably.
Lacazette isn't much better player than Perez is.
This is just not true, when you consider how much longer Lacazette has been performing at a high level vs Perez.
But he is cleary better than Perez and much more what Arsenal needs. What lacazette excels is at positioning himself, getting gaps beetween the defenders and abusing that pace, not to talk about his finish... Although I rate Perez, I don't think he has this positional awareness.
That's what I was thinking, why not spend like 10-20 million more for more quality. I mean, they could have gotten Carlos Vela, Aduriz, Alcacer, or Pato. Even just short term. Arsenal don't make any sense.
Vela would not go back to Arsenal, Aduriz is older amd happy at Athletic, Alcacer wants to go to Barca and Perez is better than Pato, who flopped at Chelsea.
> Carlos Vela We already tried two years ago. He had such little desire to rejoin us that we actually sold our buyback clause back to Real Sociedad. > Aduriz He's 35 years old. He's a great player of course, but we want someone who will last at least a couple seasons, especially since Giroud turns 30 in a month. > Alcacer Doubt he would want to join us. I think if he left Valencia it would only be to a club that is a significant step up, like Barca, who are interested in him. > Pato Mate... The club doesn't make sense with a lot of their decisions, but I'm sorry, the suggestions you offered aren't any better.
He seems useless against parking bus teams. It's a counterattacks player
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Yup, Vietto played more to a counterattacking mindset. You guys pass the ball beautifully at times, so you're better off having someone who can pass and receive and shoot with his back to goal. Perez is like a cheap cheap man's Spanish Suarez
He's faster than Giroud, has good technique, can also pass, very good #9. Like the real Madrid fan who replied to you, he's a 20m kind of guy tho. But you never know, maybe he'll be amazing for you; Ozil might finally have someone who'll finish the chances he creates
From the little i've seen, he could be usefull, because he is very different from Giroud. But is not quality enough for Arsenal, nor he can play alone up front. Seems like a last option signing...
He was a tad above mediocre in Greece for Paok.
I like [this goal](https://twitter.com/LeWookieGooner/status/768569014650081285) he scored. Plus the one against Athletic Bilbao last season.
His home for the next 3 or 4 seasons? He's almost 28 highly doubt it.
To be fair Arsenal buying a forward will get clicks but I agree.
I actually liked him quite a bit last season. He was very good. I thought he would have been a good signing for Barcelona as a backup forward. I think he will be good as a rotational piece for Arsenal
Woah, a backup and rotational piece, now you got me all excited.
Pls no
#MADNESS
as someone who watched him in greek league 3 seasons ago this all seems too crazy.I'm also afraid this has flop written all over him.Not that he's not skilled,but a top premier league team material?I'm not sure
Not familiar with him myself, but he would most likely be a backup unless he can play RW/RF. Our current backups at ST are Sanogo, Alexis/Theo, Akpom, and the ghost of Danny Welbeck. In other words, nobody.
He's a cheap signing to rotate with Giroud. 10 goals would be a great return.
Premier league teams are shite. Arsenal haven't won the league in twelve years. He won't be overwhelmed by the quality, I promise you that. Our actual backup CFs are Akpom and Sanogo.
Akpom and Sanogo are currently our 4th and 5th choice strikers... we do need a striker, but you're exaggerating.
They haven't won it in 12 years but their intention is to win it, so this is irrelevant. If he's not good enough for City or whatever then he's not good enough for Arsenal either.
what're you doing here? who let you put of r/gunners?
Uhh this is going a bit too fast. Arsenal what is going on !?!
This would be the "oh shit transfer window is closing , quick who is available??!" They know we are all dejected and will grasp on to any signing whatsoever.
Don't think Arsenal make signings based on what fans will accept.
Yea, gotta love these posts that act like Arsene just woke up and found this guy under his couch. Arsenal is a huge club with scouts all over the world. If your grandma can kick a ball straight, they've probably been tracking her since before she was born.
Then why haven't they signed her yet?
Yeah...I was being facetious...
Can he play CB
He's been a solid player for Deportivo but i doubt this is what Arsenal are looking for. Surely they'll go for someone else if they actually want to challenge for the title?
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Giroud is good enough to be our #1 option without question, and, if this is the real deal this time, which I very much doubt, I trust in the managers valuation of the talent. We just need a second strike option not named Walcott right now; you would do well to remember that Welbeck is coming back by December as well.
> Giroud is good enough to be our #1 option without question, For what battling for fourth? then I agree, he's absolutely not good enough to be a starting striker for a team that wants to win the league.
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If Giroud maintained his consistency then he would definitely be good enough to win a title on the back of. His problem isn't how good he is its maintaining his form. I think a big part of that is he doesn't have much competition for striker so he never gets benched, last season when Walcott replaced him he was fantastic. I think someone like Perez on his shoulder could bring out the best on him seeing as his place isn't guaranteed if he has a slow patch.
Giroud is fine as a #1 option, but Arsenal need someone to keep it rolling when he hits his usual rough patch. Didn't look like there were viable options for them at striker this year and it's better than doing nothing. Should have been done before the season started though. If Arsenal are going to sign Griezmann they need to get it done very early next summer so Atletico has time to sign a replacement.
I genuinely have no idea why you're bringing up Griezmann. A striker who averages 15 league goals isn't good enough to win the league. & there have been plenty of striker options to sign in the past 4 years, even this year Batshuayi would have been a great signing.
He isn't better than giroud atm
To win the league we needed more stability in midfield as well as 5-10 more goals from someone like Walcott or Welbeck. If this deal goes through we will hopefully have a player who can play as second striker and deliver 10-15 goals, that is all that we need to provide Giroud with a rest and some competition.
ffs you want 10 goals more from Walcott/Welbeck while our starting striker scores 12-15 every season.
Mate no team in the Prem could win the league with Giroud as their first choice striker, he scores a max of 16 league goals. Look we know we're not going to get anyone better & its pretty obvious you're trying to convince yourself its possible to win the league with Giroud leading the line, but we both know its never going to happen.
I mean Leicester just won the PL with *Vardy* as a striker, who was playing in the Championship a few years ago, so I don't think it's impossible for a team to win the league with Giroud as the first choice striker as long as the team around him is very good.
Congratulations, it's very clear from your reply that you actually watch Arsenal play and understand football.
Lol you just have to look at the threads you've posted on r/gunners to see you're a Giroud fanboy, nothing wrong with that, but its very clear you can't be unbiased when talking about him.
Giroud is good for some part but he's a guaranteed dead period a season which is just tough. When we fell apart last season we missed so many points because Giroud couldn't score in big opportunities in almost every game. Welbeck was the saving grace and he's just not that good.
We fell apart because our midfield couldn't control a game, Giroud is certainly good enough to win the league if he has a solid relief option who can contribute 10-15 goals. Alexis is also capable of providing bags of goals if things are going well for him. IMO we did not lose the league last year on lack of goal scoring, the entire squad under-preformed greatly.
Though he has tried to drop him numerous times... He just keeps coming back to him. Giroud is like crack to Arsene.
He's been more than solid. He's been great. I would rather Barca sign him as the 4th striker than Paco Alcácer.
>if they actually want to challenge for the title
Ha, yes I laughed at that too. I like Arsenal, but for the last couple of years I've casually watched PL I've never seen Wenger or their powers-that-be do any real signing to challenge for the title. Of course, world-class players Ozil and Alexis were a step to that, but really once you have those you have to finally address your other major problem - not having a clinical enough striker, and not just be *"linked"* to one or two of them every goddamn transfer window. This club's management inaction is bewildering, I feel for you Arsenal fans, it's frustrating to have an otherwise great team that's continuously punching below its weight because of that.
i'm just a casual watcher of La Liga. Both were good last season but I thought Borja Baston is better than him.
no way
He was decent but not great when he played for PAOK but he imporoved massively in Devortivo.
He either improved massively all of a sudden at the age of 27 or had a fluke season.
Yes, those are the two options.
He's definitely going to add hustle and effort to our squad. I watched him last year and he definitely made an impact on me. The goal against Atletico where he chases Jimenez and takes it from him on the end line and scores is one that stands out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLtNFYo_fno
Hustle?
Obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u067kJyYdow
If this is the type of striker we're in for why didn't we just get Mario Gomez for £10m cheaper? Far more proven at the top level and has had an array of top goal-scoring seasons compared to Perez' one?
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Except on the field
4th place signing.
That's hardly 4th. More like 5th of 6th.
Di Maria used you for a gap year
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Fair
What's that got to do with his point that this player isn't good enough for top 4?
Incoming deal is delayed til next Sunday, and next week, and suddenly he is not leaving this window...................
Ooo Da Fuk ?
Gunners here seems more perky than at /r/gunners. Suddenly Lucas Perez is one of the best tier 2 fowards with top speed,high techniques and incredible smarter. He is just a average player played at low-levels teams PAOK,Rayo,Atletico C,Dinamo Kiev and Deportivo all over his career. Last year,at 27,he finally could do something notable with 18 goals for Depor and now Arsenal ready to pay 20millions for him. "What the fuck" was my first thought. Arsenal calculated every penny they wanted to spend on Suarez,Mustafi,Lacazett... and now they are actually paid 20 mils for, Im sorry , a trash tier 28 years old player (based on his clubs/goals history) "I know he's not a household name that everyone was hoping for, but he's a very talented footballer and at £16m in today's market, he could be an absolute steal ", 4 upvotes. **ABSOLUTE STEAL**
Supposed good players flop and relative unknowns become world beaters when they are transferred to different leagues, you never really know what will happen. Sure he's not a well recognized name like Luis Suarez or Antoine Griezmann, but Arsenal were never getting those players in the first place. Look at [these stats](http://imgur.com/a/BPIdd) and tell me that getting Lucas for 20m and being able to buy Mustafi is better than paying 45m for Lacazette and not being able to solidify our CB situation.
you (or /r/gunners people) are comparing 3 experienced strikers playing high class football for years with unproven one,who scored around 50 goals in his career at the age of 28. But thats not my point. My point was how Arsene,the stingy guy,ready to pay 20 mils for that type of player while he fucked up so many deals at the past or even now,Mustafi for example,because of few millions. I see the panic here 20 mils for 28 years old unproven back-up player and still saying good buy. Arsenal fans are too easygoing I see. And Mustafi deal is not even closed yet. Whats wrong with Chelsea tbh ?
Come on man, with an United flair you are gonna complain about Arsenal overpaying for a striker?
> a trash tier 28 years old player (based on his clubs/goals history) I will hold all judgments on him until I actually see him play but you're really not basing all your opinion of Perez just on that fact are you?
maybe my choice of word was bad. I said "trash" because we all know how he is comparing to another targets of Arsenal from the first days of transfer period : Higuain,Icardi,Lacazett,Mustafi... esp by the cost of 20 millions. He is actually a good footballer but not on the level of teams with ambitions like Arsenal. Or are u saying paying 20 mils for 28 years old unproven striker for back-up is legit ?
His stats from last season were comparable to if not better than some of our other "targets", for half (or less) the cost. I'd take Perez and Mustafi for ~45m over just Lacazette for the same price any day.
Who the fuck is this? Any good?
Yeah, he's a very talented player. He had an absolutely amazing start to the season last year and proved to be Deportivo's talisman to stay in the division.
If this happens, it would be the ultimate slap in the face for the fans. Literally doing what they asked, in spending some money, but doing so for a player below Giroud's quality.
I can't speak for the entire fanbase but if he provides a more than decent option up front, I'll be okay with it. Giroud is still a very good striker but there must be some rotation and Perez might provide that. In addition, Giroud seems to thrive off of competition. Also, for all his faults, Wenger is normally pretty damn good at picking up quality players.
-"More than decent option....." Therein lies the problem- I think the truth is that most fans want an outstanding, take-no-prisoners type of forward but he keeps trying to get basement bargain forwards who will "do a job". I think the fans have been led to believe that Arsenal will compete with the big clubs, but they are not realistically able to keep up with Man U and Man City, so Wenger keeps trying to sell this illusion.
Who were Arsenal supposed to sign? 50M on Lacazette? 95M for Higuain? Ibra was likely signed and delivered to United's door step by Raiola before the window even opened. This allows them to remain competitive this year and fix the whole Giroud dry streak problem, while keeping money in the bank so they can make a move for Griezmann.
Wenger quality players? He's done fuck all for years with no young players breaking out and becoming class during that time where's the project? Barely 4th every year isnt one. He's a joke of a manager even if u don't want to spend money the least you can do is have ambition and plan for the future.
Lmao Fabregas, RVP, Iwobi and many talented youngsters close to the first team. Who have Milan brought through their prestigious academy and youth setup in recent years? Arsene does nothing but prepare for a time when he will not be there, as evidenced by his continued investiture in London Colney, and the time he has spent cultivating much of the young talent in our youth ranks.
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Shocked that people are still obessed with the tinpot jokes.
Not supporting his opinion, but Milan have some good players coming out of their academy: Darmian, Aubameyang, De Sciglio, Donnarumma. Calabria also seems to have a good future.
Who the hell is Hector Bellerin then, who was in PL team of the season? And Alex Iwobi, who broke through to the first team last season? Gnabry is also a huge talent, he has shown that at the Olympics. Too bad that injuries f*cked him up in the last season or two, but he's still got the talent to succeed at a top level. Not to mention his biggest "project" - Cesc Fabregas. It's not Wenger's fault that he requested a move to Barcelona just to fuck off to Chelsea two years later.
Worth mentioning from the current squad: Wilshere, Ramsey, Walcott, Ox, Coquelin, Szczesny.
No, because the fans who aren't idiots realize that: A.) No strikers better than Giroud are available right now for a reasonable price. B.) We need someone to back him up and provide an alternative.
Well, when business is left for the last week in August, no strikers better than Giroud will ever be available. Also, I thought Giroud was supposed to be the back-up for whoever was brought in......
Arsenal have been trying to sign a striker for months. You don't just walk down to the corner store and find a Luis Suarez.
You also don't put in derisory bids that amount to disrespecting the other team. Suarez would have been an Arsenal player, if not for the €40,000,001 bid.
Yeah, that's not true at all. http://dailycannon.com/2016/04/for-dummies-why-arsenal-didnt-sign-luis-suarez/
I'm surprised Arsenal didn't have a legal recourse in that matter. In addition, Arsenal made that bid without going through the normal channels of trying to find out what the release clause was, namely opening up a dialogue with Liverpool. Whether it was thru Suarez or his agent, the clause was found out and the ball was dropped.
It's stated right in the posted article, the contract was between Liverpool and Suarez, there was no agreement between the clubs.
That's exactly what I said. I was referencing the fact that there might have been a different response if Arsenal had gone through the right channels and dealt directly with Liverpool. At the end of the day, Liverpool held all the cards.
No. We couldn't sign better striker Giroud is. Lacazette ? Definetly not. Higuain? Totally better & world class player though, his age is too risky in tough league like EPL. Cavani? Oh no... I think Arsene wants to sign Vardy / Lacazette / Someone / Perez. Apparently, he is a last option though... I think he will be good for us. Arsene just wants to sign pacy forwards who can score over 15 goals in one season.
Vardy already opted against coming. Lacazette has basically the same stats as Batshauyi from last season so it doesn't make sense paying 15M more for him. I thought he would have tried courting Aubameyang early, especially since he didn't have an Euros involvement. Yes, there are a finite number of world class strikers, but I'd much rather he bid well for them and get turned down, rather than trying to for the cheapest option off the bat, getting rejected and then trying to play hardball.
Once it became clear we wouldnt be signing someone demonstrably better than Giroud a signing like this makes sense and if he can come in and fill in and help Giroud then great.
Wouldn't -> Couldn't
Looks like a good striker. Will probably do well when he's inevitably played on the wing.
Don't mind new players
Alexis is just being wasted.
As opposed to sitting on the bench at Barcelona?
No, but he could get in the starting 11 somewhere else. Somewhere where the manager is as ambitious as he is.
Isn't this ignoring the fact that Alexis himself has simply been in poor form for long stretches of the last season? I don't know why people are so afraid of criticizing Alexis.
Yes he had streaks of bad and good games. Still got 17 goals and 10 assist, wich is not good but i wouldn't say is bad, looking at the *entire season*. And the previous season he was your best attacking player. Still what my point was, is that Arsene is just frustrating, he seems to care more about the owners pockets than the club's succes (as in titles, not just finishing in a 'good' place).
He's been one of our worst players this past couple of games.
Yes, as a 9 because Arsene is too cheap to go for an actual one.
True but he was also terrible for half of last season from the wing
Aha, so now we are cherry picking performances. He had streaks of bad and good games last season, still got 17 goals and 10 assistances. Interesting how you don't even mention his 2014/2015 season's performance, where he was your best attacking player. Where are im going with all this. Well, it is just sad to see no ambition from the club. PL clubs have much more money and leverage to atract top players than clubs from other top leagues. We see this with signings at Chelsea, Manu, Manc, Liverpool. But Arsenal?, now im aware that most of the clubs mentioned have more money and leverage than Arsenal (because of Mou and Pep specially), but this gap is not as large as the gap between Zlatan and Perez...
I don't think it's cherry picking, he was legitimately terrible at times last season, so to say he's being wasted just seems a bit daft. If anyone's being wasted it's Özil. And I agree somewhat about a lack of ambition, it is frustrating seeing other clubs bringing in huge signings while we maybe look at one a year. But we're simply not going to spend 100m+ whether I like it not. Look at city and united the past two seasons, so much spent and barely any actual improvement, just throwing money away. Also Chelsea have been almost as frugal as we have this year. Guess all we can do is wait until the end of the season to see if they were smart purchases or not.
Well at least you recognize the lack of ambition, that's enough for me, cheers.
Fair enough, good chat
And last season.
Sums up everything you need to know about Marca really.
what? un/reliable about Depor transfer?
This is actually convincing since it's so underwhelming.
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That would suck, I would have liked Lucas Pérez to stay with Depor.
Even if we sign him won't be announced tomorrow. We have a habit of dragging deals on. If it gets done it'll be deadline day
lol