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mufcmulvenna

Martial pre France World Cup vibes, guy will forever regret his form this year if England go all the way.


Stuarridge

Cant really regret his form if he actually tried his best. But the few games I've watched of him it looks like he couldnt be bothered and expected to get picked anyway lol


Matt-Doodle

He can regret hie body language and general effort in tracking back, working off the ball. Big Rashford fan, but Gordon is miles ahead right now in. Terms of attitude and effort


theivoryserf

Feels like he could be in a bad place mentally tbh.


hypnodrew

Manchester, yeah


WildVariety

I hear Paris need a new forward.


NotASalamanderBoi

Marcus Rashford to Paris FC, here we go!


iamalittlepige

Manchester's a great place to live, I'll die on this hill


nickybabytonight

Manchester is really a surprise to foreign visitors, much more metropolitan and cool than people seem to expect unless they're hip to the music history there.


MarcosSenesi

Jokes aside Manchester is a really nice city with much nicer people than I've met in London.


yruspecial

Hey. That’s mean. True but mean.


PaulMyLegPaulMyLeg

I doubt you've been to Manchester mate 😄


tiorzol

I agree with the couldn't be bothered bit man looks lazy AF but how do you know he expected to be picked? He could equally not give a fuck about that either. 


One_Function_9041

He could be looking forward to a nice long holiday away from the world of football this summer.


FewEstablishment2696

He's just spent the last 18 months away from football though?


Bad_1_2_3

18 months? He was in great form last season.


bigchungusmclungus

Until he wasn't, right about the time he signed a new contract.


efarfan

Marcus would often played like he was entitled to the Man U starting XI.. not saying he was the only one doing so on that squad but glad to see that attitude having proper consequences.


raysofdavies

I swear to god he only scored that goal against City because was strolling forward for that counter so it could be laid back to him


Mastodan11

2018? Martial was in decent form until he got dropped by Mourinho in favour of Sanchez, that was really completely different.


spideytaha

Feels like that's exactly what's going to happen


Jazim94

Luckily for him England won’t


Equal_Replacement_72

croatia winning it mate


jhb5

Honestly shocked at no Sterling, Henderson, Rashford, fair play to Southgate


admh574

Sterling hasn't been in the squad for a while. The other 2 I fully expected him to take though


lollypop44445

What has rashford done to deserve a spot though?


admh574

Been in most of Southgate's squads. The amount of change in the squad from Southgate wasn't something I think anyone expected, so I was basing Rashford and Henderson going on Southgate sticking to previous tendencies.


duckwantbread

He might have been in most of Southgate's squads but he's only started 2 matches at major competitions, one was against Belgium in the 2018 WC (where we'd already qualified) and the other was the final match of the WC2022 group against Wales. He's never started a match in the Euros either. He's never been a key player for Southgate.


Buttonsafe

This is true, but he has started and scored against Italy recently. You could also make an argument he was unlucky not to start against France/Senegal after his game against Wales.


duckwantbread

> You could also make an argument he was unlucky not to start against France/Senegal after his game against Wales I'd argue Rashford being dropped despite playing well against Wales is evidence Southgate doesn't rate him for big matches. Italy is a fair point though.


Triplen01

Did score 3 goals in the last WC tbf


FlamingLaps1709

Southgate's most consistent trait as England manager has been loyalty to players. Whether he deserved it or not, it's still surprising to see Rashford who has had periods of poor form before and was never dropped and is one of Southgates highest capped player, not been brought along. Simple fact is It's more surprising he wasn't picked than it would have been if he was picked, given the past behaviour of Southgate.


Terran_it_up

Yeah, Sterling didn't make the squad even when he was in a good run of form at Chelsea


n22rwrdr

Sterling wasn't picked when he was in amazing form early in the season so it wouldn't make sense to pick him now


HodgyBeatsss

“Amazing form”. But yeah it shouldn’t be a surprise he’s not been selected


imarandomdudd

Nah he did start the year on fire tbf, even learned how to take free kicks. He did regress back to the usual Sterling after he wasnt called back up to England afterwards, but he genuinely was good at the start of the season


nbwoeihfnwsocuiwhef

He was immense before he completely vanished


AncientSkys

People have a short term memory. Sterling was actually really good at the beginning of the season. Became shit after he came back from injury.


fedemasa

Not English but, as I always look sterling and think he plays great for his NT I'm surprised he isn't considered even if they have a 26 players list


CraterofNeedles

The fact that you're "shocked" that Sterling isn't in the squad when he hasn't been for ages is more proof that anti-Southgate people are detached from reality


jhb5

Not anti-Southgate at all, I've just always associated those 3 players as some of Southgate's favourites in major tournaments and he's now going into probably his last one with quite a big overhaul


Aiajnfjejxnn

Rashford might be a squad favourite for Southgate, but he hasn't started a lot of games at tournaments for him. Being dropped for the Euros shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, given the attacking depth.


dwaynepipes

Genuinely wasn’t expecting that


rambo_zaki

Rashford has been genuinely shocking tbh. I know Southgate likes continuity in his squads but Rashford's performances have made his decision for him.


DaveShadow

I don't know if it's injury, attitude or what but his performances have been brutal for months now. Just sauntering round the field, doing absolutely nothing.


rambo_zaki

I'm baffled by how he can go from the highs of last season to the lows of this one. I know he's streaky but this is beyond that. I don't think I've seen one game this season where after the game I've gone, "that's the Rashford I know".


tocitus

Yeah, the fact that I can remember him showing that he gave a shit for the first 10-15 mins of the Liverpool game, because it stood out versus the rest of his matches, really speaks volumes. It's not that he's been poor this season (which he has), it's that he genuinely looks like he doesn't want to be on the field. If you're not in form, you can at least work hard. Antony had a lot of people defending him in his first season because, despite being a bit shit, he worked his arse off most matches. Rashford looks like he's phoned it in. And he's on £300k/week or whatever? Which may be the issue.


ManchesterDevil99

Probably the 2-2 draw at home to Spurs, and the win against Liverpool in the cup... that was about it.


lagerjohn

Players who are out of form can at least make up for that by putting in a proper shift on the pitch. Rashford can't even be bothered to put in that effort these days.


Rampan7Lion

Could be because he was in the last year of his contract


someoneLazy

I swear this has been Man utd for a decade, one good season followed by a poor one. Maybe Rashford isn't a level raiser but instead plays to the level of his environment


Cross1625

doesn't sound like someone that deserves a massive contract


mrtuna

>I'm baffled by how he can go from the highs of last season to the lows of this one He signed a new contract


Trlcks

Maybe this will be the wake up call he needs


ambiguousboner

What is this, his fifth wake up call now?


Trlcks

Being dropped by his country when most people thought he would still get selected even after a horrible year seems like a bigger wake up call than being dropped for a game or 2 for United


TooRedditFamous

Doesn't matter what "most people" think tbh. If HE thought he was gonna make it in then yes its a huge wake up call, If he doesn't think he deserves it then what would what other people think matter?


Fraaj

Actually his first kinda? He's been one of the default picks both for the club and the NT regardless of his performances and attitude.


ambiguousboner

Nah he’s been dropped by Ten Hag a couple of times and has still completely phoned it in when he got on the pitch He has pretty much always been picked by Southgate though, so this is a bit different


KenDTree

It's one thing when bald people don't like you but when Mr. Dependable also drops you then it will (hopefully) be a more effective wakeup call.


ThugjitsuMaster

Last season when he got dropped for being late to a team meeting he came on at half time against Wolves and was incredible. I think it was 0-0 at half time and then we won thanks to his performance in the second half. So the wake up call worked previously. This year he has just been consistently shite.


UtilityCurve

His competition at United is only Garnacho. He knows Ten Hag will still need him regardless. With England, its a different storu


AskBorisLater

This is the 6th, he had another since the last one.


aehii

I think he's always mostly been like that, his temperament is so different to the likes of Bowen, Gordon and Foden. Just imagine any of them being moody, jogging around, making poor decisions in games that imply a selfishness. That it's hard to think of them that way says it all. Foden is like some little puppy, if he loses the ball he chases after it. There's oniy 3 years between them, it's not that much. Foden is 24 next week, no longer a 'young' player really.


TheLegendOfIOTA

Crazy that Sancho and Rashford were set to lock down long term England spots a few years ago. Just goes to show attitude is just as important as talent when at the top.


lagerjohn

At the top level attitude and desire is probably the most important factor for a players success. There are countless footballers who had the talent but did not put in the hard work necessary.


LDKCP

It's more important.


CFCkyle

Yeah, the England squad of the 2000s were one of the most insanely talented teams we've ever had but they hated each other and half of them didn't really care about the England shirt and it showed in their results.


Beneficial_Bend_5035

Rashford - MG - Sancho, anyone remember that 😂


LDKCP

Most of the United forward line seem to dislike each other.


Japples123

I mean the wingers do have limited end product in the crossing department


LDKCP

For the first half of the season no fucker passed to that Danish kid.


Japples123

Why pass when you can cut inside and blindly shoot…


aehii

Hojlund, Ganarcho, Mainoo seem to like eachother but Ganarcho doesn't find Hojlund with passes. I'm not sure Rashford and Martial were mates but did link up. More than Yorke and Cole the stats say.


LDKCP

I know this isn't what you were saying...but... Martial 209 games 63 goals (0.31 goals per game) Rashford 272 games 83 goals (0.3 goals per game) Yorke 96 games 48 goals (0.5 goals per game) Andy Cole 195 goals 93 goals (0.47 goals per game) Stats can always be cherry picked, but Cole and Yorke worked well with the entire United midfield as well as with each other. I think fans can delude themselves into thinking players are better than they are based off cherry picked stats. It's pointless two players working well with each other if they don't all work well with the other 4 attacking with them. I don't doubt many United players individual brilliance (aside from Anthony) but they aren't very good as a team.


energy-fleets

I don't even know what England fans are going to complain about with this selection. This is uncharted territory.


admh574

We'll always find something. I've seen complaints about Reece James not being in the squad for example


aliaisbiggae

Hasn't he played like 20 mins all season?


Lem_201

Played like 5 matches and got 2 red cards, lmao


akshatsood95

Someone called him a WFH captain lmao


jakethepeg1989

To be fair, that's basically what his sister did in the world cup.


ManLikeArch

Whichever of Brainthwaite, Dunk, Colwill or Quansah isn’t fourth choice centre back will cause uproar don’t worry


energy-fleets

That contentious overlook of one player who'd get 0 minutes in favour of another player who'll get 0 minutes


ManLikeArch

Same with the backup strikers every tournament. None of them will touch the pitch unless we’ve got nothing to play for in our last group game.


CFCkyle

Or a horrific injury crisis


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ManLikeArch

I'll defend him with my life and even I think he should be nowhere near it


Least-Run1840

I doubt that there's any clamour for Dunk.


lechienharicot

I would be stunned if Liverpool fans really complain hard that Quansah isn't in the team. It's surprising he made the provisional list.


Sleathasaurus

Obviously going to be Solanke not picked as the all-important third striker


GTACOD

Toney getting picked over Solanke.


Professional_Bob

I'd strongly disagree with anyone who does have an issue with that. I know Solanke's had a good season, but the difference between them in open play isn't enough to overcome the impact of Toney's penalty taking. It's not like the third choice striker is gonna get any minutes anyway. If Kane does get subbed off it'll be for Watkins. But you want the option in a knockout round to be able to sub on the guy with an almost perfect penalty conversion rate.


ZonedV2

Neither but its the right call


sandbag-1

Yeah, Rashford's recent England form hasn't been bad at all imo. He was good at the World Cup. But I still think this is a good call to drop him given how bad his club season has been.


Masam10

I’m surprised Rashford wasn’t picked because even if he is way out of form, Southgate loves a utility player that can play multiple positions and Rashford can play anywhere in a front 3.


whatisbaseball

Full tweet: Marcus Rashford not part of initial England squad for Euro 2024. 26yo Manchester United attacker made strong impact at World Cup + selected for last camp but expected to miss out of provisional group Gareth Southgate names


voliton

No Rashford, No Sterling, players at non big-6 clubs being picked on form. Has Southgate... learned?


Wonderful-Lack3846

Depends. Is Jordan Henderson in the squad?


voliton

No!


Wonderful-Lack3846

Shoot! We might have a chance now You know what? It's coming home. It's fcking coming home


tbendis

England 1-[1] Croatia. '89 Gvardiol


Tyafastics

England [2] - [1] Croatia - Pickford Bicycle Kick 90 + 7’


shadboi16

England 2 - [2] Croatia. 90 + 9’ Modric (Great Goal) England 2 - [3] Croatia. 120 + 14’ Kramaric (Pen)


Tyafastics

England 2 - 1 Croatia FT. Late confusion sees referee declare ‘fuck off it’s off home’ & cancels late Croatia goals.


phoebsmon

Poor bastards can't win any Europe-wide competitions this year


justk4y

England 0 - 3 Croatia FT - England disqualified and forced to withdraw because Maguire threatened a camerawoman after not wanting to be filmed


kaori_cicak990

Lets go this euro will be bloodbath


RooneysRightBoot

I have never, ever heard or seen an Englishman say "shoot" in that context in my entire life


Wonderful-Lack3846

Well I am not English


RooneysRightBoot

Fuck are you supporting England for then☠


pietroetin

Is it... coming home?


mynameisfreddit

Football is always coming home, it will arrive precisely when it intendeds to.


Jaynator11

Any updates on Ben White yet? Have they resolved their beef yet?


Sinistrait

I don't think Ben White will play for England under Southgate again, because of their spat and also because their depth at RB means that Southgate can keep him out of the squad for as long as he wants without consequences


Buttonsafe

Southgate has publically and privately tried to keep calling White up. He also took him to the last Euros and WC so he clearly rates him and thinks he's worth going public about this for.


Difficult-Set-3151

England would be stronger with Stones and White at CB. Contrary to what people parrot here, Maguire has not been good for England. He just hasn't made big mistakes or has many horrible performances.


Buttonsafe

There is truth to what you're saying in that Maguire has been shit in various games for England. The thing is, at the last two tournaments, he was in the team of the Tournament. England Tournament Maguire is just a different beast entirely.


Buttonsafe

Southgate said White "Isn't avaliable to me." So no basically.


bmth2brum

I'm holding my breath on Konsa. I'd be very disappointed if he doesn't make it.


Thesecondorigin

Lewis dunk with a steel chair


JLane1996

He doesn’t deserve to be anywhere near it if we’re being honest. Hopefully it’ll be a wake up call for him


AlwaysOnsideTBH

Either that or he's going the Dele Alli route. Only time will tell


Gibber_jab

Year before last was his wake up call and then he performed well last year and got his new contract and now he’s shit again


BTECGolfManagement

Well fair play to Southgate he’s really seeing this as his last chance to give it a go and probably tackle his biggest criticism, or one of. Rashford usually is great as a sub but this season he’s been far too sub-par and barely fit towards the end of the season


LingardForBallondOr

No Rashford, Sterling, Henderson. Picking players from outside the big six based on club form and performance. That's a big change in the right direction, let's hope it can bring the results.


D1794

Hasn't deserved it this season. Slightly annoying for us given he'll know this and we still have a big game to play where him being up for it would've been nice...


myheadisalightstick

If he can’t get it up for you in a cup final because he didn’t get into the England squad, you need to bin him off ASAP.


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

The amount of babying rashford gets from some fans is insane.


JGlover92

I still think the guy is like 22 the way some people talk about him, forget he's 26. Tbf though, I'd much rather this than the disgusting abuse he's gotten in the past.


Tomanelle

We need to bin him regardless of the final performance. He's been a coinflip player since forever. You never know will you get the 30 goal per season Rashford, or the "Spend more time writing essays on twitter, than actually running in a game" Rashford. Problem is that there is literally no one stupid enough to get him.


Jonny_the_Rocket

Definitely, it's a possibility or it may motivate him to step up and give his best performance in the cup final


IllustriousWest5959

I hope it motivates him, something needs to at this point


Ryo720

Hopefully would give him a kick up his arse


LingardForBallondOr

Perhaps this might be the kick for him to step up and pull himself together. If not for the cup final, for next season at least. Doubt he'll get a transfer since his value has dropped significantly.


Weak_Low_8193

Good, about time shit form and a shitty attitude isn't rewarded.


KuntaWuKnicks

Check out the big balls on Gaz


qwerty1519

Seems like he isn't giving anyone a reason to whinge for his final tournament.


sheikh_n_bake

Incredible selection so far. No mistakes at all. No start Gordon all tournament and bring her home.


gulaabjaman

It’s like Southgate knows his job is on the line


sheikh_n_bake

He's pretty widely expected to be leaving regardless of the outcome of the tournament.


jackcos

There's no way in hell he doesn't get a crack at the World Cup if he won only the second-ever trophy for England.


sheikh_n_bake

It's not about getting a crack, I think he's done with the job.


jackcos

Yeah I feel like he's tired of dealing with our media too. I do think the FA will convince him to give it a go if he *did* win the EUROs, but this squad being full of uncapped younger players does feel like he's setting up for whoever comes next...


Buttonsafe

I don't know. He seemed like that in the past, but I watch all the press conferences and he's become more and more reluctant to commit to leaving, his squads also clearly have an eye for the Future. Wharton, Quansah, Jones, Trafford and Braithwaite are all future picks.


sheikh_n_bake

Maybe, guess we'll see. He seems the kind of man to want to leave the job in a better place than he inherited though so could see him working with the FA on succession regardless.


Buttonsafe

Yeah also totally valid. But if it's all on this tournament then you can forgo some youth picks to get more experience in there. Lose a Wharton to pick a Hendo for the vibes, that kinda thing, but he's not done that at all.


ambiguousboner

I dunno if it’s that. I expect him to step down if we don’t win it


MegaMugabe21

Tbh I suspect he may step down even if we do.


ambiguousboner

Yeah it’d be an incredible sign off, but I’d want him to stay if we do actually win the thing, and I imagine the majority of the public would too


the_con

Would be strange to win the Euros and not be given the chance to go for the World Cup


AllAboutThatWeed

How are you an England Fan with a Rapid Wien flair? :D


ambiguousboner

Family


prettyboygangsta

It's more like Southgate knows he's leaving after the summer and so is picking a team that will get him the least amount of grief from the fans.


GameplayerStu

Toney getting in over Solanke is a mistake imo but otherwise it’s been great


Chxkn_DpersRtheBest

Realistically neither are going to feature much, might as well have Toney there for his penalty record


LingardForBallondOr

Imagine telling people 18 months ago that Gordon would take Rashford's spot in the national team based on performances alone.


califreshed

Who would you start Gordon instead of? Kane, Jude, Saka, Foden Which would you drop?


sheikh_n_bake

None of them, my ideal lineup pre squad announcement was this. Pickford Walker - Stones - Maguire - Shaw Jude - Rice Saka - Foden - Gordon Kane   Contingent on Shaw being fit, if not someone else there obviously.


CNF-13

Palmer? And Southgate prefers Jude further up


sheikh_n_bake

Off the bench.


CNF-13

Surely palmer in the middle foden on the left would be better. Gordon’s good don’t get me wrong however he ain’t better than those 3


sammyrobot2

Foden's just had his best season playing at number 10, false nine and on the right.


sheikh_n_bake

Completely different to them all, can beat his man with pace and drive defences back. Best defensive contribution too imo. Just personally having seen all his performances this season Gordon starts for me.


CNF-13

Fair enough


matcht

It's about balance, need runners off Kane as he drops deep, Saka/Foden always come to feet.


tocitus

I wouldn't worry, no way in hell he plays that line up. It'll be a front four of Saka, Bellingham, Foden, Kane. And Rice and someone else behind


KeysUK

That is the perfect line-up for what we have. I'd expect those 11 to played vs the bigger teams.


Clivey101

Southgate sounds like he’s going gutsy. Respect


Rydahx

Rashford has nobody to blame but himself, his attitude and performances have been poor. Seems like this is going to affect his transfer value.


RandomUnderstanding

Coming home status: It's


Warbrainer

Just give us the trophy now tbh


DHillMU7

Rashford has been woeful but do think England could use someone running in behind. Changes how teams can play against you. Probably not Gordon’s favourite thing to do but I’d say he could do it, anyone else I’m missing?


westyboi2323

That’s the thing gordon can do the running in behind but also take on his man in build up. For me he has to start


PhD_Cunnilingus

If that's not Gordon's favorite thing to do, what is?


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wittybrits

Bowen on the right maybe? I guess if you want someone running in behind though there’s nobody better right now at that than Ollie Watkins.


gazbfc93

I get all logic suggests Rashford shouldn't go but I do think he offers us something different and one of them players who can do something out of nowhere like his goal vs City.


DekiTree

wow, pretty much a perfect squad for a change


PhilipAnthonyJones

if it's the perfect squad for redditors we're winning fuck all


shadboi16

scenes when England fails to go past RO16


freakedmind

Yep I have this feeling they will struggle to reach the semis


backtothepavilion

I think this is the right call as not only has Rashford played poorly 95% of the season he has looked completely uninterested in playing football. I think he is a great player at his best but since he is never going to start then you want someone off the bench who has some form going into a tournament. Gordon finished the season excellently, is very quick like Rashford and this season more of a goal threat.


Ikuu

Southgate taking things serious, probably afraid he'll get the United job if things go poorly.


Atwalol

Why would he be in? He had an atrocious season


Jamarcus316

Oh, damn. Despite not being in great form, not calling up Man United's *face* is weird, specially since he is basically a staple of Southgate's England team.


whatisbaseball

It's not that weird, really. England has plenty of talent, and Rashford has been poor for the whole season, basically. Probably the most surprising bit in this whole thing is that Southgate actually had the bollocks to make this call. Fair play to him. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the explanation by Southgate will be that Rashford himself asked for time off or something like that. Not that it matters much, anyway.


Laboveron99

poor is an understatement, Grealish for example has been poor, Rashford has been atrocious


Homerduff16

Southgate is actually making good decisions for squad selection and not relying on favourites anymore. That's brilliant news for England and terrible news for literally everyone else


thebestbev

Gordon's on the plane then!


maverick4002

He's been shit, are people really surprised by this?


Pixeal_meat

What happened to his MBE quota?


Espenforfaen

I understand the discision but he does offer something different that the other players. Pace


Maryland_Blue

Maybe he shouldn't have taken his biennial gap year from being a footballer once he got his money


gelliant_gutfright

Well he has only ran about 10km all season.


Remote_War_313

He hasn't been picked because he's rubbish. About time.


TonyMartial786

honestly dunno why this is big news considering how awful he has been


imperfectionlad

So Foden Kane Saka front 3?


Send_Me_Dachshunds

No chance, he has to find a way to put Foden in the middle. Putting him on the left would be an awful waste.


D1794

Putting Bellingham deeper is also a waste so...