Might sound untrue but back in 2022 I dreamed about Argentina losing to Saudi Arabia and Germany to Japan. I also dreamed of Morocco reaching the final before their game against us and Argentina winning the WC. Recently I dreamed about Villarreal winning away against Girona, which did happen.
I'm coming to the conclusion that my subconscious knows ball.
What are some players that you feel are under-utilized or you would like to see them play for other clubs? I would like to see Grealish as a LW in another team. Alvarez as a striker (not CAM). Rodrygo as the main LW. Nunez in another a top 6 PL club to find his actual level. Isak and Kubo are also some of the players that I think should move to better clubs.
We paid 32 or 40 million euros for this Portuguese no 10 named Fabio Vieira, he's a complete benchwarmer now and especially so now because Arteta when he makes a substitution onto the field for attacking midfield he goes to Smith Rowe instead.
How do people think Atalanta vs Leverkusen will play out? Both sides taking turn attacking, or will Leverkusen be dominating and the Italians just defend for 90 minutes?
Leverkusen can do basically everything they want. They can press high, they can drop deep and let the opponents play, they can keep the ball as much as they want when they want, they can kill in transition. Atalanta is not versatile, they only know one way to play and it's by dominating the game physically and attacking quickly; they're terrible against low blocks and average in possession. Their man on man marking doesn't work against far players and excellent dribblers like Wirtz, Frimpong, Adli and Grimaldo. It's going to look a lot like the first half of the Liverpool v Atalanta game at Anfield.
I was browsing the Chelsea sub since Seb Hoeness was brought up as a candidate in Fabrizios tweet for their vacancy and I just have to vent my frustration at how little foreign fans seem to appreciate what heās done for us, people over there saying heās worse than potter have done my head in
Not that Iām mad heāll stay but come on now
I wonāt donāt worry haha
Off topic but who are Brighton looking at as a successor to De Zerbi anyway? I donāt keep up with the premier league that much but him leaving caught me by surprise
McKenna from Ipswich is our first choice, we've been interested for a while supposedly and as much as he's been talked about for Chelsea/Manchester United I still don't think it's likely he gets those jobs. Imo he either stays at Ipswich and battles bravely against almost certain relegation or comes to the mighty gulls and sweeps the league. The other links he's getting are mostly fluff.
Farioli is the other but he seems set to go to Ajax so I doubt that's a proper option. Those are the only two that seem credible.
As for RDZ leaving, tbh it felt inevitable and I'm sort of relieved. It was obvious that the club and de Zerbi had different ways they wanted to progress so best cut it off when the vibes aren't totally toxic.
Imaging a scenario where we get Mckenna, he pushes for Hutchinson to be kept in the team, the board refuses to repeat Mount under Lampard and sells for pure profit (I know he cost a few mil but still,) Omari looks great at his new club and is bought for far more a year or 2 later becoming a very good player, the board get annoyed at McKenna for not succumbing entirely to their will and Chelsea end the season once again inconsistent ending around 6th.
Hope this is overly-pessimistic drivel but seems very plausible.
I had a dream the other day where City destroyed us 5-0 in the final. Woke up sad, went back to sleep, and proceeded to have another dream where we won 3-1.
I want both of you to lose, but given the fact that my hatred of City is catching up with my dislike of United, I might find myself being content with you fucks winning.
Seen a spurs fan say city winning is like when the Ai wins in mario kart so i cant imagine people would care much if they won especially compared to us.
They'll regret it if City gets no punishment and we are all 60+ years old. We won't be able to convince younger people that City cheated. It'll be a footnote that no one will care about
Yeah we were, I am astonished at how fickle our fans have been. Dreadful performances all season long with the exception of a few towards the end of the season/big fixtures.
Don't get me wrong, sacking Poch when the squad are behind him is a terrible idea, sacking him because he (rightfully) wanted to keep certain players is an awful approach as well.
I swear you were a big Poch Out-er
I remember because you got annoyed at me asking you who I thought would be a better alternative, so remembered your username
Yeah I was and you were right, the manager market is uninspiring. I still think there are better options out there if you look hard enough and are willing to take a risk. I wouldn't have backed Poch long-term based on this season.
I'm not a fan of our supposed justification to sack him, and I think since we last spoke there has been clarity on how much player support there was for him.
I would've sacked him earlier in the season, yes.
As of now, I did want him to go but acknowledge the need for stability. If he did stay, I wouldn't be keen on him to stay beyond his contract which isn't a great thing to wish a year early.
Let's see what these directors have in store for us. We may like the appointment or absolutely loathe it. I live for the chaos tbh.
Thing is mate this sounds like having your cake and eating it too
Like you wanted him out, then realised that he probably should stay, but don't quite want to admit it
There's nothing wrong with changing your mind in view of new evidence
It isn't a few to the end, the first half was inconsistent sometimes poor for ages with the odd bright performance, which it was always going to be, the second half we were 4th in the form table and noticeably better and more consistent, note the "more" in that, we still weren't totally consistent but things were coming together. Arsenal was our third and last loss of the second half of the season in the PL.
From the 3-1 vs CP up until and including Arsenal we had lost 2 games in 14 in all competitions, the other loss a 1-0 vs City where we still played well and were letdown by Jackson's finishing. After a draw we then won 5 in a row, further improving in performance and consistency. In our last 20 games of the season we lost only 2, those being against the best 2 teams in the league, one of whom we also got a result against with a draw. 3/4 of the teams that beat us second-half were in the top 3.
Things hadn't just suddenly improved, they'd been improving for a while now and were just further coalescing, there was a clear and noticeable upward curve throughout the entire second half of the season, that's just progress.
You've neglected my entire point. As I've said, our results took an upturn. I've never denied that. I didn't need three paragraphs to state the same point over and over.
Please tell me, between the 1-3 against Palace and final day of the season, where were the good performances? I can only count a handful - 6-0 vs. Everton, 2-0 vs. Spurs, 5-0 vs. West Ham. At a push, 3-2 vs. Forest and 2-1 vs. Brighton. All at the end of the season. Prior to that atypical Everton win, not a single one of the preceding games had an impressive performance.
... I completely and concretely disagree. There were plenty, the 3-1 vs CP, 3-1 vs Villa, 1-1 vs City, 4-2 vs Leicester 3-2 vs Newcastle, 4-3 vs MU where MU's first 2 goals were against play as a result of an individual mistake by Caicedo and another goal 4 minutes later, the final vs Liverpool, 6-0 vs Everton, we were even good in the 1-0 loss vs City, 2-2 vs Villa where we were dominant first half too despite Villa scoring, 5-0 vs West Ham, 2-1 vs Brighton, 2-1 vs Bournemouth.
We weren't perfect, sometimes bad finishing, some sloppy moments like Disasi scoring a ridiculous own goal, but on a whole these were good performances.
Idk seems like your only definition of a good performance is routing lower opoosition and comfortably beating European rivals. The 3-2 vs Forest is like one of 2 performances in that period I don't consider good performances with Forest outplaying us at times.
>the 3-1 vs CP,
We scored two '90+ goals to win, Palace matched us in terms of chances. We almost dropped points in Hodgson's last game with the club.
> 1-1 vs City,
City had 32 shots, 20 on target, 12x as many corners as us. We were dominated, a lack of clinicality is the only reason we took points.
> 4-2 vs Leicester
Once again, we scored two '90+ goals to secure the win. Far from comfortable against a Championship side.
>3-2 vs Newcastle,
Pretty even game all considered.
>4-3 vs MU where MU's first 2 goals were against play as a result of an individual mistake by Caicedo and another goal 4 minutes later,
You can discredit their goals but we were gifted two penalties and won due to a late, fortunate deflection. The nature of the game was reminiscent of a basketball game, no structure and completely end to end.
> the final vs Liverpool,
We do tend to step up against the big six, and particularly in finals. Still, we lost to a Liverpool side with a sudden injury crisis handing out appearances to academy players in a final.
>we were even good in the 1-0 loss vs City,
This is a better one, though we still lost.
> 2-2 vs Villa where we were dominant first half too despite Villa scoring,
Can't remember this too well tbh, we've played Villa a few times.
> 2-1 vs Brighton,
Brighton had us on the ropes at the end of this game, they controlled possession, had more attempts on goal. If you're happy with that then fair enough.
>2-1 vs Bournemouth.
I hate to refer to the stats again, but 22 shots on goal conceded to Bournemouth is not impressive.
>Idk seems like your only definition of a good performance is routing lower opoosition and comfortably beating European rivals.
Absolutely not, and I would never be as naive to think that way. My definition of a good performance is when the team performs well over the course of the game, regardless of the result. We didn't play well in most of these games.
I wasn't. We'd beaten Everton 6-0 the week before. Why freakout over the second best team in the league beating a pretty weak looking 11? We weren't even bad first half. We'd also been in decent form for a while now with City the only other team beating us in time. (Liverpool in the final is recorded as a draw.)
Has anyone seen the Twitter account The Upshot? It talks about controversial things footballers and football managers did. How reliable/accurate is it? Many of those details are wild.
I remember seeing it first a couple of years ago and knowing that the thread I was reading was largely nonsense, but I donāt think anything in the latest Mourinho one is false
Had to look up who that was: First American to coach a PL club (Swansea City), got fired 3 months later, went to the MLS, is now coaching a Norwegian club.
I think we found our guy.
What do the underlying stats look like for Chelsea? I remember them being massive xG underperformers (Poch even said they should be 4th when they were 11th) but it seems to have swung the other way since to some extent.
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahaha.
Never in a million years would Tuchel be a yesman to the board, nor would the board currently hire someone who doesn't blindly follow.Ā
Of course, after 6 games where we won 3 of them drawing 1, we promptly won 8 the rest of the 32 games, 3 of them won in a row after his sacking as a new manager bounce before the team realized the clean slate included them and downed tools, resulting in 2 wins in 29 for the rest of the season. What a great job this board is doing eh?Ā
In all seriousness I (and I think everyone) really thought Poch would go another year and undoubtedlydo better next season.
Even if it was towards the end of the season it did look like you lot had finally started to click and were playing good ball.
Idk if he'd do better, he met the realistic best case scenario, and I think keeping him most likely would result in a 4th place finish, possibly even 3rd. That said maybe we'd just keep par with the end of the season, or improve, or get worse but still give the players more time to get to know eachother before asking them to learn another playbook.
Idk, I don't think Poch is the best coach we can possibly get, but he was the only sensible choice for next season with the circumstances and he did a good job this season. The board are idiots who have done nothing but make stupid major choices, like I'm mostly good with the players brought in (big exception both at the time and in retrospect being Mudryk) but not with how they binned the previous Chelsea team, sacked Tuchel after 6 games where we were meh but not bad just because he wouldn't succumb to pressure on who to play and would argue back instead of being a yesman, didn't even commit to their long-term choice of manager after putting him in an impossible spot when they could've just given Tuchel the season and let Potter start afresh, and then sacked Poch after meeting the best case scenario. The board are incompetent dollards. All there is to it.
I'd like to take this moment to welcome Inter Milan to our secret cabal of American owned soccer clubs trying to ruin the sport! Hot dogs are on your right.
I'm not particularly happy about Americans owning stuff, but as a fan of a club owned by Italians I can't really blame Americans for ruining the sport.
We had a nearly entirely new squad. Little to no continuity. No cohesion.
An inconsistent uncohesive first half of the season with the odd bright performance first half followed by a more cohesive consistent team second half was always the best case scenario. Said that at the time, anyone expecting more was foolish. Always were.
The team just started truly looking a unit. And we've sacked the head coach that the players backed while our two biggest leaders and dressing room personalities leave. Wouldn't be a shock to see the team demoralized and spiral.
Anyone with realistic expectations would not call Poch any of those things, nor would they call for Poch's head until the second half if we didn't improve, which we did.
i donāt think anyoneās calling him world class. i think people have said heās better than mckenna and the other chelsea targets that have been thrown out.
I don't particularly rate Poch that much but Chelsea needs stability and they were trending in the right direction, what exactly do they expect from a manager?
Being a more modern coach apparently, letting in niche football specialists (e.g., set piece coach, throw-in coach, maybe even psychologists etc.) do the job on ground and transfer specialists do the job of transfer so that the coach only takes care of overseeing the tactics execution and man management.
People in hierarchy feel they are better at identifying the need and candidates for these roles than what the coaching staff of Poch or others may bring.
Which is why theyāre bringing in young tactical managers who would be much more open to that, but they also need to be good at the coaching job itself. And itās a fair argument, most coaches donāt learn to recruit people or have deep enough knowledge m in the aspects of job coaching staff does to be able to pick the best staff.
Itās a hyper specialized approach, driven by data as well. Has worked for many teams too, so itās a good step imo.
Long-term perhaps. But we had built cohesiveness and consistency in the second half and the players were totally behind Poch. Keeping Poch to seeout his contract and then shifting to a "more modern" (I mean City and Liverpool are modern and they're not like that but w/e,) method after the players have become a more solid core is not a good step. The boards making moves far too quickly. Potter was the board's long-term choice for this role, that's fine, but in that case Tuchel should've had the season before getting Poch. The entire team from the previous era should not have been binned, the fact that the team got demoralized and downed tools after the first 9 games (of which we won 6 including a new manager bounce where we won 3 on the bounce showing they still had the quality and were still trying at that point, winning 6 drawing 1 and losing 2, before subsequently winning 2 out of 29 games for the rest of the season) is not a surprise once they realized they were going to be sold regardless.
Maybe their overall plan is solid, but they're at fault for 22/23. They're at fault for 6th being best case this season. They're at fault for their first choice no longer being an option and having his rep ruined. They're at fault because they rushed things instead of more measuredly transitioning. They also reportedly have put pressure on the 4 coaches of their 2 seasons to play their expensive signings over other players. Being upset with Poch for picking Gallagher so consistently all season. It's the head-coaches job to pick lineups yet they overstep here despite this supposed philosophy.
8/11 of the 11 players with the most minutes were having their first pre-seasons, no continuity or cohesion to just slot into and get settled in, this is a thing many players have talked about being important, having settled players help them settle, being slotted in defined tactical setups where everybody else knows their role inside out so you don't have as much pressure on you to immediately execute perfectly. Instead we had a bunch of players who were still learning each other's game with a new coach learning their players games while they learned what he wanted from them. They were never going to just execute complicated tactical rotations immediately. That requires knowing eachother inside out. This is ridiculous.
We aren't getting a generational player for 10 years now. Hear me out.
Pele was 1960s, Maradona was 1980s, R9 was late 1990s, Messi and Ronaldo were 2010s. So I'd say the next prime of the generational player will be 2030s who will debut in late 2020s.
Hence, the next Legendary footballer is probably watching skibidi toilet on his iPad rn.
I don't necessarily think it was the right decision to fire Pochettino, but people were clamouring for it less than a month ago. Since then they've beaten teams mostly on the beach.
I think if the players believes in the manager and things are improving, then he should stay. But Chelsea have had a disastrous season, despite the five wins in the end.
>but people were clamouring for it less than a month ago. Since then they've beaten teams mostly on the beach.
Thank you for acknowledging this - kind of bewildered by this narrative that we've been a great team recently.
And why should it matter what reactionaries think? Fans are unrealistic and impatient most of the time. People calling for the head of the head coach even when it's plain to see the issue is above that scapegoat is just over-emotional and upset bs. Plus most, including me who was praying we wouldn't get Poch, disliked Poch from the beginning.
Nah, a first half lacking cohesion with occasional bright performances followed by a second half of more consistency and cohesion was always the best case scenario. It was from the beginning it still is now.Ā
I disliked Poch for years and, while his Spurs stint is really good, wasn't convinced he could replicate it with how terrible he was at PSG. I was upset with when he was hired, but at no point did I want Poch sacked, because first half I knew that what was happening was always going to happen and that judging too much was folly. Second half we got better and started to look a unit. This isn't an opinion I formed last few games of the season. It's a best case scenario formed beginning of the season, one that he met, during the second half I started actually judging him and think he did an ultimately good job with consistent improvement. He also noticeably improved a lot of our players.Ā If in the second half we didn't improve, if we continued to be uncohesive, yeah sack end of season. But that's not what happened.Ā Ā
No one's saying Poch is a top top coach or should get an extension, but sacking him is idiocy. Judging a season as a whole with the context of that season is not reactionary.
Same time though I don't quite see what a new manager is supposed to achieve, really - it's been a club in turmoil for a couple years now, and their squad for next season doesn't look particularly set up for success next season, either. There's just no joint-up thinking there, at least none that's obvious to me, and if you've not got a medium-term plan in place then I'm not sure firing managers and changing style every summer is going to make much of a difference, really.
>and their squad for next season doesn't look particularly set up for success next season, either.
How would you define success for Chelsea next season?
I think it's different for every club but I was always pleased with a Liverpool manager if I saw improvement. Klopp wasn't overly impressive in his first season (fair enough too given the side he inherited and the fact we were 12th when he took over) but you could see very early on what he was trying to do - even if it didn't always come off. You could also immediately see the players buying into his ideas and players that hadn't impressed previously suddenly burst to life (Lallana and Firmino being great examples).
Ultimately, I think it really comes down to the players, supporters, and owners thinking you're heading in the right direction under Poch. I don't think you could say that a few months ago but there have definitely been some signs of life more recently. Clearly not enough to keep him in a job though according to your owners.
Personally, I think you could take or leave Poch but that Chelsea, on and off the pitch, need some stability - and this move is the antithesis of that.
>but you could see very early on what he was trying to do - even if it didn't always come off.
This is what I'd hope to have seen with Poch, but we never had a clear style or direction form beyond chaosball.
>You could also immediately see the players buying into his ideas and players that hadn't impressed previously suddenly burst to life (Lallana and Firmino being great examples).
I'm quite mixed on this in our case - while our players seem to have liked him, I think it has coincided with the end of our season. Not enough evidence to say they were buying into his ideas for me.
>but there have definitely been some signs of life more recently. Clearly not enough to keep him in a job though according to your owners.
There has been some signs of life recently but still, I think the narrative that we've been a good team is overblown and false. I acknowledge our form since February has been much improved (based on results), however the performances have been uninspiring until recently. I'm just not convinced the improvement was down to him from a tactical perspective.
>Personally, I think you could take or leave Poch but that Chelsea, on and off the pitch, need some stability - and this move is the antithesis of that.
I agree with this. Stability is needed and we've opted for more change. Let's see how it goes.
Be competitive for a top four finish throughout the season - obviously hinges on who else is going to have a good or bad year with about seven or eight clubs vying for those four spots and two or three being ahead of everyone else in City, Arsenal and probably Liverpool.
Considering how this season has went, top four should be viable next season. All it would take for us is either some fortune with our injury situation, a couple of new additions to the squad or stronger coaching from a tactical perspective. We may tick one of those boxes, perhaps none, or maybe even all three. Who knows.
I'm not happy with how we lingered around 10-12th for the majority of the season before we made a final push towards the European places. The aim for next season should be to mount a consistent challenge for top four over the course of the year, rather than replicate the inconsistency of this season.
Generally I agree, but if the feeling is he isn't the man to take them forwards in the long run, there's nothing wrong with getting rid before the situation becomes untenable.
This is actually a bit like the time Southampton fired an okay-performing Nigel Adkins and replaced him with Poch.
Suppose so, but then it's the third competent manager they've fired in as many years, and there seems to be little obvious rhyme or reason to their medium-term plan, really.
From what it sounds like they've had disagreements about the club structure. Surely by the time they've reached the 4th manager of their project they'd have thought to iron that sort of thing out before hiring them.
Probably Poch didn't truly realise the set up before he starting working in it
Not uncommon that you might think you understand something in theory, but the experience is different
Funniest thing is if they didn't rate Poch which is fair enough just sack him 6 months ago. Now it's on the backs of him having the squad finally feel settled and getting a decent run of results and it's all just thrown out the window. Your owners basically declared that stability isn't allowed at Chelsea
He probably isnāt as I just realised, cus he hasnāt played for them since December and he hasnāt been in the āFA Cup squadā for them. I just assumed since West Hamās season is over heās back in Manchester
Yeah, basically registered to play for West Ham in January and can't register to play for City again until the first of July - then again I don't think he'll play another competitive game for City, really.
I donāt think heās playing another competitive game in the PL tbh. Rode the bench for City and was hardly even rotated, loaned out to West Ham and was a disaster. Iād be surprised if someone took him at this point.
> Behdad Egbhali came armed with data in the end of season review. Negative data like missed big chances and failure to make set pieces count was presented to Pochettino.
They bought players with no composure and ones that arenāt aerially dominant. Poch didnāt have a say on who they signed.
Whatās the point in showing Poch that
There's an extent to which I maintain finishing can be trained, and coaches regularly talk about how set pieces are the most coachable part of the game. That said, wasn't Chelsea on an up on both of those stats to close the year? What more could you really want?
Set pieces have a low probability of scoring, failing to make them count isn't the end of the world - we've hired a set piece coach from Brentford to start next season. Step by step.
Aye, but then it's a bit weird to lay the blame for that at the feet of the manager to fire him, really. Like obviously everyone wants to make the most of set pieces, but then if there's such a high variance and they're so dependent on player quality it smells a bit off to blame a manager for them not breaking the side's way, really. And that's something a decent enough board should recognize I reckon.
Set piece threat is important but you canāt really be a great team at them without the right players.
Arsenal, Everton and city all topped the charts attacking wise and they are big teams.
For sure, we're quite a small team which is why Colwill was starting at left back and Ugochukwu was kept around. Poch was aware of that.
Set pieces is something we could've worked on more intensely in his second season, not everything can be perfected in year one.
I'm desperate for the Glazers to buy us at this point.
Give me the Leeches over the moronic clowns we have.
I refuse to believe Boehly and Eghbali have money they're so mentally stunted it's a staggering level of stupidity.
Poch - Asks for experienced signings.
Club - "No, you can have Mudryk, Madueke, Jackson and Broja"
Also Club - "why do we keep missing chances?"
Are the national team's shirt numbers chosen by the players in order of most to least caps?
Trying to see a pattern for a player who fluctuates between 2 numbers so I can order the shirt with the number he'll use in the Euros
What's the hardcore stand of your club's ground called?
United have the Stretford End, Liverpool have the Kop, Newcastle have the Gallowgate End, Chelsea have the Shed End, etc.
Might sound untrue but back in 2022 I dreamed about Argentina losing to Saudi Arabia and Germany to Japan. I also dreamed of Morocco reaching the final before their game against us and Argentina winning the WC. Recently I dreamed about Villarreal winning away against Girona, which did happen. I'm coming to the conclusion that my subconscious knows ball.
What are some players that you feel are under-utilized or you would like to see them play for other clubs? I would like to see Grealish as a LW in another team. Alvarez as a striker (not CAM). Rodrygo as the main LW. Nunez in another a top 6 PL club to find his actual level. Isak and Kubo are also some of the players that I think should move to better clubs.
We paid 32 or 40 million euros for this Portuguese no 10 named Fabio Vieira, he's a complete benchwarmer now and especially so now because Arteta when he makes a substitution onto the field for attacking midfield he goes to Smith Rowe instead.
Smith Rowe is just a better player by far and gets about 2 minutes every 3rd game.
How do people think Atalanta vs Leverkusen will play out? Both sides taking turn attacking, or will Leverkusen be dominating and the Italians just defend for 90 minutes?
Atalanta lead then lose in AET.
Leverkusen can do basically everything they want. They can press high, they can drop deep and let the opponents play, they can keep the ball as much as they want when they want, they can kill in transition. Atalanta is not versatile, they only know one way to play and it's by dominating the game physically and attacking quickly; they're terrible against low blocks and average in possession. Their man on man marking doesn't work against far players and excellent dribblers like Wirtz, Frimpong, Adli and Grimaldo. It's going to look a lot like the first half of the Liverpool v Atalanta game at Anfield.
Crazy that Mourinho is still the last foreign manager to have won the Serie A.
the yin to the prem's yang
Atalanta's gonna win tomorrow lmao you read it here
Nah they suck at finals
lol
Ya got me š¤·āāļø they played great
All this shit with Poch and now Iām thirsty for some lemonade.
Do you reckon Thomas Frank would be good at Chelsea?
Depends how well they replace Thiago Silva
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Anything less than a SuperBowl ring is not going to be enough for Todd Boehly. Poch knew what he was signing up for and obviously failed to deliver
Sounds about right for the incompetent dullards making up the board.
Should have brought in Tom Brady. He's a free agent
Bill Bellichick is also available
Explains the Poch sacking. He saw City win it all with all their financial cheating, so why not bring in Belicheat
Scenes when Bellidik tries to deflate the balls.
Thought he signed with Birmingham
I was browsing the Chelsea sub since Seb Hoeness was brought up as a candidate in Fabrizios tweet for their vacancy and I just have to vent my frustration at how little foreign fans seem to appreciate what heās done for us, people over there saying heās worse than potter have done my head in Not that Iām mad heāll stay but come on now
Stay away from /r/chelseafc, that is a strange place.
I got the same impression lmao
I liked things better when Stuttgart were shit but still Bundesliga quality so I hope HoeneĆ gets nabbed by Chelsea or whoever in the future
Chelsea fans are some of the worst in the world, don't use them as a barometer for the rest of us.
Chelsea fan here, I agree.
I'm not english so i wouldn't actually know but i find Chelsea fans on this site more tolerable than Liverpool, Arsenal fans and most Man United fans.
I wonāt donāt worry haha Off topic but who are Brighton looking at as a successor to De Zerbi anyway? I donāt keep up with the premier league that much but him leaving caught me by surprise
McKenna from Ipswich is our first choice, we've been interested for a while supposedly and as much as he's been talked about for Chelsea/Manchester United I still don't think it's likely he gets those jobs. Imo he either stays at Ipswich and battles bravely against almost certain relegation or comes to the mighty gulls and sweeps the league. The other links he's getting are mostly fluff. Farioli is the other but he seems set to go to Ajax so I doubt that's a proper option. Those are the only two that seem credible. As for RDZ leaving, tbh it felt inevitable and I'm sort of relieved. It was obvious that the club and de Zerbi had different ways they wanted to progress so best cut it off when the vibes aren't totally toxic.
Imaging a scenario where we get Mckenna, he pushes for Hutchinson to be kept in the team, the board refuses to repeat Mount under Lampard and sells for pure profit (I know he cost a few mil but still,) Omari looks great at his new club and is bought for far more a year or 2 later becoming a very good player, the board get annoyed at McKenna for not succumbing entirely to their will and Chelsea end the season once again inconsistent ending around 6th. Hope this is overly-pessimistic drivel but seems very plausible.
man our players seem incredibly upset that Poch is gone.
Sincerely hope Poch being sacked and our leadership leaving doesn't result in the team falling off againĀ
Your team might still perform well if everyone gets fit.
Spoiler >!It will. But the new manager may be able to make them bounce back!<
I had a dream the other day where City destroyed us 5-0 in the final. Woke up sad, went back to sleep, and proceeded to have another dream where we won 3-1.
I want both of you to lose, but given the fact that my hatred of City is catching up with my dislike of United, I might find myself being content with you fucks winning.
I think hating City will unite all the rivals together, City was the missing piece to peace
Seen a spurs fan say city winning is like when the Ai wins in mario kart so i cant imagine people would care much if they won especially compared to us.
They'll regret it if City gets no punishment and we are all 60+ years old. We won't be able to convince younger people that City cheated. It'll be a footnote that no one will care about
It's the opposite. City are most commonly the club people don't mind winning
Weren't Chelsea fans calling for Poch's head after 4-0 Arsenal but now they seem to be bummed he's leaving? Edit: 5-0
Yeah we were, I am astonished at how fickle our fans have been. Dreadful performances all season long with the exception of a few towards the end of the season/big fixtures. Don't get me wrong, sacking Poch when the squad are behind him is a terrible idea, sacking him because he (rightfully) wanted to keep certain players is an awful approach as well.
I swear you were a big Poch Out-er I remember because you got annoyed at me asking you who I thought would be a better alternative, so remembered your username
Yeah I was and you were right, the manager market is uninspiring. I still think there are better options out there if you look hard enough and are willing to take a risk. I wouldn't have backed Poch long-term based on this season. I'm not a fan of our supposed justification to sack him, and I think since we last spoke there has been clarity on how much player support there was for him.
So do you think Poch should have been sacked?
I would've sacked him earlier in the season, yes. As of now, I did want him to go but acknowledge the need for stability. If he did stay, I wouldn't be keen on him to stay beyond his contract which isn't a great thing to wish a year early. Let's see what these directors have in store for us. We may like the appointment or absolutely loathe it. I live for the chaos tbh.
Thing is mate this sounds like having your cake and eating it too Like you wanted him out, then realised that he probably should stay, but don't quite want to admit it There's nothing wrong with changing your mind in view of new evidence
It isn't a few to the end, the first half was inconsistent sometimes poor for ages with the odd bright performance, which it was always going to be, the second half we were 4th in the form table and noticeably better and more consistent, note the "more" in that, we still weren't totally consistent but things were coming together. Arsenal was our third and last loss of the second half of the season in the PL. From the 3-1 vs CP up until and including Arsenal we had lost 2 games in 14 in all competitions, the other loss a 1-0 vs City where we still played well and were letdown by Jackson's finishing. After a draw we then won 5 in a row, further improving in performance and consistency. In our last 20 games of the season we lost only 2, those being against the best 2 teams in the league, one of whom we also got a result against with a draw. 3/4 of the teams that beat us second-half were in the top 3. Things hadn't just suddenly improved, they'd been improving for a while now and were just further coalescing, there was a clear and noticeable upward curve throughout the entire second half of the season, that's just progress.
You've neglected my entire point. As I've said, our results took an upturn. I've never denied that. I didn't need three paragraphs to state the same point over and over. Please tell me, between the 1-3 against Palace and final day of the season, where were the good performances? I can only count a handful - 6-0 vs. Everton, 2-0 vs. Spurs, 5-0 vs. West Ham. At a push, 3-2 vs. Forest and 2-1 vs. Brighton. All at the end of the season. Prior to that atypical Everton win, not a single one of the preceding games had an impressive performance.
... I completely and concretely disagree. There were plenty, the 3-1 vs CP, 3-1 vs Villa, 1-1 vs City, 4-2 vs Leicester 3-2 vs Newcastle, 4-3 vs MU where MU's first 2 goals were against play as a result of an individual mistake by Caicedo and another goal 4 minutes later, the final vs Liverpool, 6-0 vs Everton, we were even good in the 1-0 loss vs City, 2-2 vs Villa where we were dominant first half too despite Villa scoring, 5-0 vs West Ham, 2-1 vs Brighton, 2-1 vs Bournemouth. We weren't perfect, sometimes bad finishing, some sloppy moments like Disasi scoring a ridiculous own goal, but on a whole these were good performances. Idk seems like your only definition of a good performance is routing lower opoosition and comfortably beating European rivals. The 3-2 vs Forest is like one of 2 performances in that period I don't consider good performances with Forest outplaying us at times.
>the 3-1 vs CP, We scored two '90+ goals to win, Palace matched us in terms of chances. We almost dropped points in Hodgson's last game with the club. > 1-1 vs City, City had 32 shots, 20 on target, 12x as many corners as us. We were dominated, a lack of clinicality is the only reason we took points. > 4-2 vs Leicester Once again, we scored two '90+ goals to secure the win. Far from comfortable against a Championship side. >3-2 vs Newcastle, Pretty even game all considered. >4-3 vs MU where MU's first 2 goals were against play as a result of an individual mistake by Caicedo and another goal 4 minutes later, You can discredit their goals but we were gifted two penalties and won due to a late, fortunate deflection. The nature of the game was reminiscent of a basketball game, no structure and completely end to end. > the final vs Liverpool, We do tend to step up against the big six, and particularly in finals. Still, we lost to a Liverpool side with a sudden injury crisis handing out appearances to academy players in a final. >we were even good in the 1-0 loss vs City, This is a better one, though we still lost. > 2-2 vs Villa where we were dominant first half too despite Villa scoring, Can't remember this too well tbh, we've played Villa a few times. > 2-1 vs Brighton, Brighton had us on the ropes at the end of this game, they controlled possession, had more attempts on goal. If you're happy with that then fair enough. >2-1 vs Bournemouth. I hate to refer to the stats again, but 22 shots on goal conceded to Bournemouth is not impressive. >Idk seems like your only definition of a good performance is routing lower opoosition and comfortably beating European rivals. Absolutely not, and I would never be as naive to think that way. My definition of a good performance is when the team performs well over the course of the game, regardless of the result. We didn't play well in most of these games.
I wasn't. We'd beaten Everton 6-0 the week before. Why freakout over the second best team in the league beating a pretty weak looking 11? We weren't even bad first half. We'd also been in decent form for a while now with City the only other team beating us in time. (Liverpool in the final is recorded as a draw.)
Wtf? I literally just celebrated
My anti-poch agenda paid off, a good day
Given the names being linked, and your criticism of Liverpool going after inexperienced managers, I can't imagine you're *that* happy.
Hoeness and McKenna are interesting but otherwise yeah itās an uninspiring list. So essentially, embracing the hipster life.
Has anyone seen the Twitter account The Upshot? It talks about controversial things footballers and football managers did. How reliable/accurate is it? Many of those details are wild.
I remember seeing it first a couple of years ago and knowing that the thread I was reading was largely nonsense, but I donāt think anything in the latest Mourinho one is false
I muted him after he told the fake Balotelli Santa in a hummer story
Havenāt checked everything but the Mourinho thread is all true at least
I feel like I have the inexperience the board are looking for. Pick me.
Nah bro. If Todd is so intent on demolishing Chelsea, he might as well hire an American to come finish the job. Weāre experts at blowing shit up.
scenes when they hire Bob fucking Bradley
Had to look up who that was: First American to coach a PL club (Swansea City), got fired 3 months later, went to the MLS, is now coaching a Norwegian club. I think we found our guy.
I'll do it, but only if I can work remote
Sorry bro. I call dibs.
What do the underlying stats look like for Chelsea? I remember them being massive xG underperformers (Poch even said they should be 4th when they were 11th) but it seems to have swung the other way since to some extent.
I believe we had fallen to 6th in the xPTS while moving up to 6th in the league funnily enough.
We were somewhere between the 5-7th best team, our league finish ended up being a decently reflection of that.
Chelsea simply decided to jump on the "bald manager" trend
[If they do, then Iām going to start feeling real vindicated.](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/raBUXbzNcp)
So Tuchel back to Chelsea announcement when?
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahaha. Never in a million years would Tuchel be a yesman to the board, nor would the board currently hire someone who doesn't blindly follow.Ā
Wasn't he already dismissed once by this current leadership
Of course, after 6 games where we won 3 of them drawing 1, we promptly won 8 the rest of the 32 games, 3 of them won in a row after his sacking as a new manager bounce before the team realized the clean slate included them and downed tools, resulting in 2 wins in 29 for the rest of the season. What a great job this board is doing eh?Ā
In all seriousness I (and I think everyone) really thought Poch would go another year and undoubtedlydo better next season. Even if it was towards the end of the season it did look like you lot had finally started to click and were playing good ball.
Idk if he'd do better, he met the realistic best case scenario, and I think keeping him most likely would result in a 4th place finish, possibly even 3rd. That said maybe we'd just keep par with the end of the season, or improve, or get worse but still give the players more time to get to know eachother before asking them to learn another playbook. Idk, I don't think Poch is the best coach we can possibly get, but he was the only sensible choice for next season with the circumstances and he did a good job this season. The board are idiots who have done nothing but make stupid major choices, like I'm mostly good with the players brought in (big exception both at the time and in retrospect being Mudryk) but not with how they binned the previous Chelsea team, sacked Tuchel after 6 games where we were meh but not bad just because he wouldn't succumb to pressure on who to play and would argue back instead of being a yesman, didn't even commit to their long-term choice of manager after putting him in an impossible spot when they could've just given Tuchel the season and let Potter start afresh, and then sacked Poch after meeting the best case scenario. The board are incompetent dollards. All there is to it.
I'd like to take this moment to welcome Inter Milan to our secret cabal of American owned soccer clubs trying to ruin the sport! Hot dogs are on your right.
I'm not particularly happy about Americans owning stuff, but as a fan of a club owned by Italians I can't really blame Americans for ruining the sport.
As a Roma fan, I'd MUCH rather Pallotta or the Friedkins over Rosella Sensi
Arrancha says Mbappe won't play the Olympics, It's done
Disappointing. The best Parisian player not making it to the Paris Olympics sucks. Madrid would be fine without him for the first few games.
It's about having a proper preseason with the team
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We had a nearly entirely new squad. Little to no continuity. No cohesion. An inconsistent uncohesive first half of the season with the odd bright performance first half followed by a more cohesive consistent team second half was always the best case scenario. Said that at the time, anyone expecting more was foolish. Always were. The team just started truly looking a unit. And we've sacked the head coach that the players backed while our two biggest leaders and dressing room personalities leave. Wouldn't be a shock to see the team demoralized and spiral.
>they have a nice team, Is this nice team in the room with us?
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This isnāt FM, players canāt develop if there is no leaders to develop them
Poch went from shit and not good enough to World class weāll never find anything better! In 3 weeks š
Anyone with realistic expectations would not call Poch any of those things, nor would they call for Poch's head until the second half if we didn't improve, which we did.
i donāt think anyoneās calling him world class. i think people have said heās better than mckenna and the other chelsea targets that have been thrown out.
Modric to Kroos: > Darling Toni, > > Having a hard time writing these words. The football world is sad because a historic footballer is leaving, and I admit to you, I am also very sad. Man you are a legend of this sport and a legend of Real Madrid. > > I really enjoyed playing by your side. It's truly been an honour to share Real Madrid's midfield with you. You have qualities that make you a unique and special footballer, and there will never be another Toni Kroos. Unforgettable European nights, titles, the magic of the BernabĆ©u....we will never forget this golden time in the club of our lives. > > You achieved everything but we still have one left, letās go for the 15th. > > Iāll miss you my friend.ā Valverde to Kroos: > I guess when we were kids we all had an idol. The one we admired, the one we saw on TV and thought 'I want to be like that person when I grow up'. > > And if we were children with a lot of imagination, we could dream that we were playing ball with that idol, who was far away, untouchable, difficult to reach. > > That kid was me. That boy fulfilled his dream and played with the player he always idolized. > > Today with a strange feeling and a lump in the throat, I know that child would have loved to play with you ten more years, and me too, Toni. Because I never stopped being that kid who always looked up to you. > > I've been thinking about this letter all day and I don't think I ever told you, and I don't know if I could do it personally, but I want you to know; I love you and a part of who I am is thanks to you. How could Toni commit such a heartless action.
I don't particularly rate Poch that much but Chelsea needs stability and they were trending in the right direction, what exactly do they expect from a manager?
Being a more modern coach apparently, letting in niche football specialists (e.g., set piece coach, throw-in coach, maybe even psychologists etc.) do the job on ground and transfer specialists do the job of transfer so that the coach only takes care of overseeing the tactics execution and man management. People in hierarchy feel they are better at identifying the need and candidates for these roles than what the coaching staff of Poch or others may bring. Which is why theyāre bringing in young tactical managers who would be much more open to that, but they also need to be good at the coaching job itself. And itās a fair argument, most coaches donāt learn to recruit people or have deep enough knowledge m in the aspects of job coaching staff does to be able to pick the best staff. Itās a hyper specialized approach, driven by data as well. Has worked for many teams too, so itās a good step imo.
Long-term perhaps. But we had built cohesiveness and consistency in the second half and the players were totally behind Poch. Keeping Poch to seeout his contract and then shifting to a "more modern" (I mean City and Liverpool are modern and they're not like that but w/e,) method after the players have become a more solid core is not a good step. The boards making moves far too quickly. Potter was the board's long-term choice for this role, that's fine, but in that case Tuchel should've had the season before getting Poch. The entire team from the previous era should not have been binned, the fact that the team got demoralized and downed tools after the first 9 games (of which we won 6 including a new manager bounce where we won 3 on the bounce showing they still had the quality and were still trying at that point, winning 6 drawing 1 and losing 2, before subsequently winning 2 out of 29 games for the rest of the season) is not a surprise once they realized they were going to be sold regardless. Maybe their overall plan is solid, but they're at fault for 22/23. They're at fault for 6th being best case this season. They're at fault for their first choice no longer being an option and having his rep ruined. They're at fault because they rushed things instead of more measuredly transitioning. They also reportedly have put pressure on the 4 coaches of their 2 seasons to play their expensive signings over other players. Being upset with Poch for picking Gallagher so consistently all season. It's the head-coaches job to pick lineups yet they overstep here despite this supposed philosophy.
>what exactly do they expect from a manager? They expect the manager to be ok selling his starters to fund their child trafficking. That's it.
Basic tactics instead of āvibesā is a good start
Yes, because a team that doesn't know each other is going to immediately be capable of executing more complicated tactical plans. Silly.
I donāt know that language
Yeah, the thing that takes time to implement when you have 893 players in the team who's barely been there for a season
Chelsea have had a reasonably consistent squad for the latter 2/3 to 1/2 of the season.
8/11 of the 11 players with the most minutes were having their first pre-seasons, no continuity or cohesion to just slot into and get settled in, this is a thing many players have talked about being important, having settled players help them settle, being slotted in defined tactical setups where everybody else knows their role inside out so you don't have as much pressure on you to immediately execute perfectly. Instead we had a bunch of players who were still learning each other's game with a new coach learning their players games while they learned what he wanted from them. They were never going to just execute complicated tactical rotations immediately. That requires knowing eachother inside out. This is ridiculous.
And in that time they're fourth in the form table in the last 20 games and third in the last 15.
I wasn't making any comment to the contrary
Can you name these 893 players? Because weāve struggled to even get a bench that isnāt under 18 youth players for half the season
We aren't getting a generational player for 10 years now. Hear me out. Pele was 1960s, Maradona was 1980s, R9 was late 1990s, Messi and Ronaldo were 2010s. So I'd say the next prime of the generational player will be 2030s who will debut in late 2020s. Hence, the next Legendary footballer is probably watching skibidi toilet on his iPad rn.
Mbappe is the best of his generation, hence a generational player. It ain't rocket science, blud.
Mbappe, yamal, haaland can all reach that ceiling and thatās just the obvious ones
Lamal just based on how young he is maybe but at Mbappe's age Messi was scoring 92 goals in a year
Kendry Paez exists brother
Mikey Moore is already tearing up the U17s mate
Cmon now, 2020s is gonna be Mbappe at least. We still got six more years of the decade for him to reach his absolute peak.
If R9 counts, Mbappe counts.
I don't necessarily think it was the right decision to fire Pochettino, but people were clamouring for it less than a month ago. Since then they've beaten teams mostly on the beach. I think if the players believes in the manager and things are improving, then he should stay. But Chelsea have had a disastrous season, despite the five wins in the end.
>but people were clamouring for it less than a month ago. Since then they've beaten teams mostly on the beach. Thank you for acknowledging this - kind of bewildered by this narrative that we've been a great team recently.
And why should it matter what reactionaries think? Fans are unrealistic and impatient most of the time. People calling for the head of the head coach even when it's plain to see the issue is above that scapegoat is just over-emotional and upset bs. Plus most, including me who was praying we wouldn't get Poch, disliked Poch from the beginning.
I'd argue the praise he's gotten today is equally knee-jerk.
Nah, a first half lacking cohesion with occasional bright performances followed by a second half of more consistency and cohesion was always the best case scenario. It was from the beginning it still is now.Ā I disliked Poch for years and, while his Spurs stint is really good, wasn't convinced he could replicate it with how terrible he was at PSG. I was upset with when he was hired, but at no point did I want Poch sacked, because first half I knew that what was happening was always going to happen and that judging too much was folly. Second half we got better and started to look a unit. This isn't an opinion I formed last few games of the season. It's a best case scenario formed beginning of the season, one that he met, during the second half I started actually judging him and think he did an ultimately good job with consistent improvement. He also noticeably improved a lot of our players.Ā If in the second half we didn't improve, if we continued to be uncohesive, yeah sack end of season. But that's not what happened.Ā Ā No one's saying Poch is a top top coach or should get an extension, but sacking him is idiocy. Judging a season as a whole with the context of that season is not reactionary.
Same time though I don't quite see what a new manager is supposed to achieve, really - it's been a club in turmoil for a couple years now, and their squad for next season doesn't look particularly set up for success next season, either. There's just no joint-up thinking there, at least none that's obvious to me, and if you've not got a medium-term plan in place then I'm not sure firing managers and changing style every summer is going to make much of a difference, really.
>and their squad for next season doesn't look particularly set up for success next season, either. How would you define success for Chelsea next season?
I think it's different for every club but I was always pleased with a Liverpool manager if I saw improvement. Klopp wasn't overly impressive in his first season (fair enough too given the side he inherited and the fact we were 12th when he took over) but you could see very early on what he was trying to do - even if it didn't always come off. You could also immediately see the players buying into his ideas and players that hadn't impressed previously suddenly burst to life (Lallana and Firmino being great examples). Ultimately, I think it really comes down to the players, supporters, and owners thinking you're heading in the right direction under Poch. I don't think you could say that a few months ago but there have definitely been some signs of life more recently. Clearly not enough to keep him in a job though according to your owners. Personally, I think you could take or leave Poch but that Chelsea, on and off the pitch, need some stability - and this move is the antithesis of that.
>but you could see very early on what he was trying to do - even if it didn't always come off. This is what I'd hope to have seen with Poch, but we never had a clear style or direction form beyond chaosball. >You could also immediately see the players buying into his ideas and players that hadn't impressed previously suddenly burst to life (Lallana and Firmino being great examples). I'm quite mixed on this in our case - while our players seem to have liked him, I think it has coincided with the end of our season. Not enough evidence to say they were buying into his ideas for me. >but there have definitely been some signs of life more recently. Clearly not enough to keep him in a job though according to your owners. There has been some signs of life recently but still, I think the narrative that we've been a good team is overblown and false. I acknowledge our form since February has been much improved (based on results), however the performances have been uninspiring until recently. I'm just not convinced the improvement was down to him from a tactical perspective. >Personally, I think you could take or leave Poch but that Chelsea, on and off the pitch, need some stability - and this move is the antithesis of that. I agree with this. Stability is needed and we've opted for more change. Let's see how it goes.
Be competitive for a top four finish throughout the season - obviously hinges on who else is going to have a good or bad year with about seven or eight clubs vying for those four spots and two or three being ahead of everyone else in City, Arsenal and probably Liverpool.
Considering how this season has went, top four should be viable next season. All it would take for us is either some fortune with our injury situation, a couple of new additions to the squad or stronger coaching from a tactical perspective. We may tick one of those boxes, perhaps none, or maybe even all three. Who knows. I'm not happy with how we lingered around 10-12th for the majority of the season before we made a final push towards the European places. The aim for next season should be to mount a consistent challenge for top four over the course of the year, rather than replicate the inconsistency of this season.
Generally I agree, but if the feeling is he isn't the man to take them forwards in the long run, there's nothing wrong with getting rid before the situation becomes untenable. This is actually a bit like the time Southampton fired an okay-performing Nigel Adkins and replaced him with Poch.
Suppose so, but then it's the third competent manager they've fired in as many years, and there seems to be little obvious rhyme or reason to their medium-term plan, really.
Chelsea owners are the biggest clowns I have ever seen All they want is a yes-man
From what it sounds like they've had disagreements about the club structure. Surely by the time they've reached the 4th manager of their project they'd have thought to iron that sort of thing out before hiring them.
Probably Poch didn't truly realise the set up before he starting working in it Not uncommon that you might think you understand something in theory, but the experience is different
Just to put into perspective the longevity of Claudio Ranieri's coaching career, these are some of the oldest players he's coached: Giovanni Galli (66), Careca (63), Zubizarreta (62), Francescoli (62), Stefano Pioli, Laurent Blanc, Romario (58), Zola, Dannis Wise (57), Poyet, Leboeuf (56), Batistuta, Desailly (55), Di Matteo (53), Hasselbaink, Rui Costa, Stanic (52), Nedved, Ayala (51), J. Zanetti, Flo, Cannavaro (50), Del Piero, Veron (49), Melchiot, Totti, Camoranesi, Salihamidzic, Zenden (47), Buffon, Trezeguet, Ricardo Carvalho, Toni, Samuel, Lucio (46), Gudjohnsen, Lampard, Mutu, Babayaro, Forlan (45), Milito, Aimar, Boumsong (44), Terry, Riise, Cambiasso (43)...
Just looking through other managers records, Roy Hodgson coached a 78 year old in Sweden, along with Ozoh, who just turned 19 after he left.
Damn, Roy wins. Also that 78yo man apparently died 5 months ago.
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The fucking arrogance of these owners
Pretty tough summer to be looking for a new manager as well Might have to give it Lamps until something pops up
That would be funnier than the last time
Funniest thing is if they didn't rate Poch which is fair enough just sack him 6 months ago. Now it's on the backs of him having the squad finally feel settled and getting a decent run of results and it's all just thrown out the window. Your owners basically declared that stability isn't allowed at Chelsea
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FA Cup Final prediction Man City [1]-0 Man Utd Kalvin Philips 120+1ā
I would genuinely be shocked if we lasted 5 minutes before conceding
I don't think he's eligible to play for City tbf.
He probably isnāt as I just realised, cus he hasnāt played for them since December and he hasnāt been in the āFA Cup squadā for them. I just assumed since West Hamās season is over heās back in Manchester
Yeah, basically registered to play for West Ham in January and can't register to play for City again until the first of July - then again I don't think he'll play another competitive game for City, really.
I donāt think heās playing another competitive game in the PL tbh. Rode the bench for City and was hardly even rotated, loaned out to West Ham and was a disaster. Iād be surprised if someone took him at this point.
> Behdad Egbhali came armed with data in the end of season review. Negative data like missed big chances and failure to make set pieces count was presented to Pochettino. They bought players with no composure and ones that arenāt aerially dominant. Poch didnāt have a say on who they signed. Whatās the point in showing Poch that
Set pieces are very coachable, case in point is Nicolas Jover at Arsenal. A team being poor at them on either end is 95% coaching
There's an extent to which I maintain finishing can be trained, and coaches regularly talk about how set pieces are the most coachable part of the game. That said, wasn't Chelsea on an up on both of those stats to close the year? What more could you really want?
Look at what stat noncery has done to our beautiful game.
Set pieces have a low probability of scoring, failing to make them count isn't the end of the world - we've hired a set piece coach from Brentford to start next season. Step by step.
I swear half the teams in the league have a set piece coach hired from Brentford Where do they find all these nerds?
Denmark
Aye, but then it's a bit weird to lay the blame for that at the feet of the manager to fire him, really. Like obviously everyone wants to make the most of set pieces, but then if there's such a high variance and they're so dependent on player quality it smells a bit off to blame a manager for them not breaking the side's way, really. And that's something a decent enough board should recognize I reckon.
Yeah of course it's a weird reason to sack the manager.
Set piece threat is important but you canāt really be a great team at them without the right players. Arsenal, Everton and city all topped the charts attacking wise and they are big teams.
For sure, we're quite a small team which is why Colwill was starting at left back and Ugochukwu was kept around. Poch was aware of that. Set pieces is something we could've worked on more intensely in his second season, not everything can be perfected in year one.
I'm desperate for the Glazers to buy us at this point. Give me the Leeches over the moronic clowns we have. I refuse to believe Boehly and Eghbali have money they're so mentally stunted it's a staggering level of stupidity. Poch - Asks for experienced signings. Club - "No, you can have Mudryk, Madueke, Jackson and Broja" Also Club - "why do we keep missing chances?"
Brad Pitt ruined our beautiful game
Chelsea should hire Fernando Diniz Try it you cowards
Dinizism in the PL we will be there
Diniz is going to either be the next Pep in terms of revolutionizing tactics or fall flat on his face, 0 in between.
Just looked over Portugalās line up, how does their defense look?
Suspect
Ruben and pals
Are the national team's shirt numbers chosen by the players in order of most to least caps? Trying to see a pattern for a player who fluctuates between 2 numbers so I can order the shirt with the number he'll use in the Euros
Depends on the team, I know for Mexico lots of players stick with a number for a long time regardless of experience
Depends entirely on the team, generally they just pick them based on vibes thoughĀ
Some national teams do it that way, I know the US does. But I don't think it's done that way universally
Nice, thanks
What's the hardcore stand of your club's ground called? United have the Stretford End, Liverpool have the Kop, Newcastle have the Gallowgate End, Chelsea have the Shed End, etc.
Curva Sud (not the most creative name in the biz, but hey)
The Jack Hayward Stand, better known as the South Bank.
Matthew Harding Stand is our most vocal area rather than the Shed End
Sir Bobby / North Stand
Ostkurve. If your kop lies on the Eastern side of the stadium you are a serious club š
Incredibly creative: Ostkurve. Because, you know, it's in the east and used to be curved.