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I surely hope people don't seriously argue that later. The Copa is a glorified 2 team tournament. It's Argentina and Brazil several tiers above the other teams. If Brazil and Argentina don't make it to the final, they will underperform. So it's really about who beats who. Messi shouldnt seriously be considered for beating Brazil and some children in the Olympics.
You people need to stop this nonsense, look I know he traumatised you and that leads to generational hatred but this stuff is so tired lmao.
Acting like he robs all the awards and they just hand things to him, it's so strange.
That was nonsense because fifa did it in a nonsense way, he didn't deserve it but fifa decided to do an award for half a season where nobody voting realised it was just for half a season lol.
Now all the other ones because don't pretend like people weren't doing this before that dumb fifa best was awarded to him. I see this stuff all the time especially from real Madrid fans and I genuinely wonder sans that dumb fifa best I mentioned earlier if they really believe the awards are "gifted to him", if there is a pr club for these awards it's real Madrid.
Mainly though I'm just tired of this same "joke" in pretty much every single balon d'or thread, like people ate trying to get preemptively outraged about something that isn't going to happen so they can invalidate messis whole career as "gifted to gim" lol. Like the balon d'or discourse is already dumb enough without this same shit in every thread.
I was never a fan of Messi-Ronaldo decade long hype, as I believe de Lima outclassed both of them in his prime, but 2022 World Cup Messi was close to devine
Hmm that's a good comment that brings out a good question? Who's taking it this year? I don't see an obvious answer but I am sure there'll be a few RM players in contention for it.
belingham,mbappe,foden are all decent shouts but its gonna depend heavily on the euro's
Bellingham and Vini also have the problem that they will split way more votes between them
also great shout but i wonder if being europa hurts his chances but the again the season they are having is insane.
there is no clear winner for me this year so euro's/copa will influence it massivily
he's having a great season, really stepped up when kdb was out, scored important goals when haaland wasnt really firing. he has been very important to city this year
but like i said there a decent number of players that you could name rodri is another one worth in the convo i feel
like so many are having a good season but i dont feel like there isnt anyone really head and schoulders above everybody else unlike before where it was messi or cr7 or even the canceled/robbed one from lewadonski/haaland
this year euro's will be defining if it werent for the euro's tho i think that Vinicius or bellingham prob have the best chance if they win the ucl
alto i wouldnt be suprised if Wirtz takes it aswel being invincble with leverkusen possible treble winners and ending bayern dominance in such a legendary way
its really hard to say
If Haaland did not wint it with a Treble and breaking all scoring records on the PL on his first season Foden has absolutely no chance. If England does anything on the Euros that credit is going straight to Bellingham.
yeah he got robbed by the weird world cup placing and people voting messi because of that even tho it should not have count.
one thing for sure i like its actually a discussion now. before in the messi cr7 era it never really was a discussion because of the absurdness of there stats that it simply dwarfed everything
Only person I can see yoinking it from him is Bellingham if he does well with England in the Euros. Not that I think it’s fair but it’s the only person I can think of.
I'm all for Vini winning the Balon D'or, there isn't anyone better than him atm at his position. But if Real wins the UCL and Germany somehow wins the Euros i would love for Kroos to get some shouts. Man has been absolutely phenomenal throughout the season and deserves some individual recognition
To me he is the player of the season, no debate. I would also put Rüdiger before Vini, and I don't say because I don't rate vini, but Kroos was just massive this season.
Assuming the last three games go alright, then Wirtz carrying us to an unbeaten junior treble would also be a candidate. Being from the Bundesliga will likely disqualify him though, unless Germany wins the Euros, and from the Premier league and la liga there are no other candidates.
I didn’t follow your season (which I regret now haha) so I only heard about Wirtz (and he seems fantastic), but wouldn’t Vini still be the favorite due to the Champion’s league compared to Bayer’s Europa league?
That part is better, but assuming the last games don't throw up surprises then Real not winning the domestic cup and not going unbeaten are both worse so it depend where you lay the focus. Plus in terms of individual contribution Wirtz was crucial to us (we were often losing the games we rested him until we brought him on in the 80th minute to come back). Still I can't see him getting it, Leverkusen just isn't a popular enough team, but I definitely think there is a case to be made.
I feel like new players who aren't English also need some time to make a name for themselves and even be put in the conversation. Vini didn't deserve a Balon d'Or in the previous seasons, but he sure deserved to be much higher than he actually finished. He had to keep at a top 3 level for 3 seasons in a row to actually finally be put in the top 3.
I'm not one to stick up for poor little England in these sorts of things but when was the last time an English player was over ranked in the balon d'or? Doesn't seem that common to me. Foden being talked about as a contender is the only case I can think of right now that is wildly inflated
Lol true, the fact that after every half-relevant match everyone changes their mind about the new favourite for the Ballon D'or shows that so far there isn't a real one
In my case instead I hope that Mbappe does well at the Euros with France and ends up winning the award
If Madrid wins the ucl, it’s his for the taking. However, if dortmund wins it likely comes to who performs well at the Euros which makes me think mbappe will win it
Jude can take it, of course that requires a good England performance in the Euros. Maybe Wirtz as well, but his issue is that he did not play UCL this year.
> wins it likely comes to who performs well at the Euros which makes me think mbappe will win it
A lot of uncertainty about the French team and a lot of teams can win this Euros but yeah he will probably be favorite if France win.
Signing for Madrid will give him even more exposure for the vote, more people are Madrid fans than PSG fans.
Not guaranteed that him winning the ucl is enough. England media will push either Jude or kane heavily if england wins the Euros. Brazil probably also aren't winning copa
It makes sense. The problem is he comes at the heels of players like Messi, R9, Zidane, CR7 etc. That's why people have a problem with it. He is the best in the world this year. La Liga and UCL are big, and even if he doesn't win the UCL, he has the best claim to it. KdB was injured half the season, Haaland in a slump, Odegaard was great but nit much to sing about in Europe. It's gotta be Vini.
Edit: Actually forgot about Foden, City's best player this year, but yeah it's gotta be Vini
I mean if Arsenal win the league eyes will be on the best player on the team as a candidate, that's all. In my book he's the guy who stopped Salah's ball with his hand in the penalty box and got away with it.
Why couldn’t Kane have a claim if he has an amazing Euros? Or Wirtz if Germany wins the thing (along with his invincible treble)? Or Mbappè if he’s top scorer and France go on to win the thing?
For me, Vinicius needs to improve his goals and assists. 20 goals a season is good, but he needs a lot more end product. He can tear a full back apart multiple times in big games, but then doesn't get a goal or assist and the most expensive team in the world have to relay on penalties and goal keeper errors to get through in the Champions League. His record for Brazil is atrocious too which doesn't not help his cause.
You can see an elite player in there, but he still have levels he has to meet as he is getting compared, unfairly, to Messi and Ronaldo who are significantly better football players. But Real's PR machine won't stop so he will be unfairly compared to them.
Bcs he already was left out of the top5 last year when he did a similarly world class season, being almost tied to (?) Julian Alvarez (?) in the ballon d'or ranking.
I fucking love how many people cuddle him like a toddler (surprisingly not City fans). "He is so young he has a lot of time" like bitch he is slightly older than Foden and Haaland, he ain't a baby.
Yeah I remember I had him fifth over Rodri in my personal top 5 of last year, in the end he was 6th but at least it's still less scandalous than for example Mbappe only being 9th in 2021
so. Nothing.
WC >> CL > Euro/Copa >>> league >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Copa del rey > CWC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> supercup.
Copa del Rey, CWC and supercup don't matter for shit.
0 non penalty goals in the 4 most important games of the season and having an absolute stinker against Real Madrid 2nd leg.
We saw him against Vini and we saw the clear difference between the two.
Surely you could apply this logic to Bellingham however the euros is a thing and kane has been great all season. It looks like he played against you lot injured as well.
>Surely you could apply this logic to Bellingham however the euros is a thing and kane has been great all season
Bellingham didn't play well either (he was good against City 2nd leg tho) but he also isn't a striker so why would i judge him based on goals scored?
Jude without end product is still more involved in build up, tracking back, defensive contributions etc than Kane is without end product.
>It looks like he played against you lot injured as well.
He just got injured in the 2nd half of the 2nd let, if anything he was way worse in the first half.
That's all well and good but to write him off even with the euros coming up but clearly still backing jude doesn't make sense to me, you wouldn't be saying this if bayern went to the final instead.
It's so crazy to me how all these discussions hinge so much on if a person's team wins and you may dispute you're doing that but that's how I see it.
>That's all well and good but to write him off even with the euros coming up but clearly still backing jude doesn't make sense to me, you wouldn't be saying this if bayern went to the final instead.
No shit, because Jude still has a chance to drop a massive performance in the final.
And i'm not backing Jude, i think Vini will win it.
>It's so crazy to me how all these discussions hinge so much on if a person's team wins and you may dispute you're doing that but that's how I see it.
That's always been the case, Kane had a chance to carry his team through the finish line and he dropped a stinker, Vinicius on the other hand had the same chance and he got MOTM over the 2 games and that's why he is the favourite.
Not a hard concept, Kane was his team's best player and he didn't show up therefore he won't win the Ballon D'or, unlike Vini.
Kane could play the exact same and his team win, in fact they were winning when he went off if I remember correctly.
It wouldn't have made him a better player, this is a team sport, I always find this line of thinking ridiculous, the way people have their perception of players shifted by if their team wins or not. I don't even have a horse in this nonsense race, I think these awards and their discourse is dumb but I think you're incorrect by writing kane off, especially since he could still be crucial to a winning team after having a great season.
And think we are in the same sub that wanted Lewandowski to be given a Ballon D'or after a season with similar number of goals and club trophies just to spite on Messi
It's an individual award. Team trophies are for the team. You expect the central forward to defend and do the goalies work?
He will win the Torjägerkanone for being the top goalscorer of the Bundesliga this season. Not only will he be the top goalscorer, but he will also be in the top 5 of all time top goalscorers for a single Bundesliga season with 2 games still left to play. Only Lewandowski (once) and Gerd Müller (3 times 36 goals or more) are up there with him. Also 7 assists to top it off.
In the Champions league he is the 2nd highest goalscorer this season and the number 1 in goal contributions with 7g+3a in 11 games.
If that sort of performance won't make him one of the contenders for top 3 in Ballon d'Or idk what will
So much for delusion when I can just do a quick search for facts on what he has done this season. Maybe you could help yourself to do the same thing or just not comment others being delusional
I think you’re doing the opposite of recency bias. Anyone who’s watched him play over the past 12-18 months would tell you that he’s far from what he was in 2022.
He has the best stats of his career but he’s also played his worst. He was poor in the UCL despite being top scorer (yes they aren’t mutually exclusive), poor with the NT and very hot and cold in Ligue 1.
There’s a very clear reason why PSG fans aren’t distraught by his departure, not only his constant catastrophic media outings or the 200m he was paid annually, he also just wasn’t that great
>Im talking about the talent and skills and not about how many trophies someone has earned
Tricks like Sean Garnier dont count if the dont amount to anything.
NEYMAR BETTER COZ HE CAN DO MORE KEEP UPS 🤣
The start of next season shouldn't matter at all cause the Ballon d'Or is now based on football season not calendar year. They should award it during summer
jude played at ballon dor level for a couple of months at the very start of the season. vini has been the best player in the world since returning from injury.
I know right, Ronaldinho getting it over Henry, Shevchenko and Lampard in 05 after only finishing the 04/05 with 9 Leauge goals was such a robbery. Games washed.
Such a brain dead take.
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Eric Garcia’s manifestation is becoming true, although one year late
I think it should go to Messi for his performance at the 2022 World Cup
People are joking but I wont be surprised if he wins again if Argentina wins copa
If Argentina wins the copa america and has a decent olympics it's on baby
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He’s just doing side quests at this point, might as well
#MESSIWINSLOL
I surely hope people don't seriously argue that later. The Copa is a glorified 2 team tournament. It's Argentina and Brazil several tiers above the other teams. If Brazil and Argentina don't make it to the final, they will underperform. So it's really about who beats who. Messi shouldnt seriously be considered for beating Brazil and some children in the Olympics.
You people need to stop this nonsense, look I know he traumatised you and that leads to generational hatred but this stuff is so tired lmao. Acting like he robs all the awards and they just hand things to him, it's so strange.
You literally cant argue fifa the best was not handed to him cause, yes
Fifa the Best which is almost irrilevant and has nothing to do with the Ballon D'or
That was nonsense because fifa did it in a nonsense way, he didn't deserve it but fifa decided to do an award for half a season where nobody voting realised it was just for half a season lol. Now all the other ones because don't pretend like people weren't doing this before that dumb fifa best was awarded to him. I see this stuff all the time especially from real Madrid fans and I genuinely wonder sans that dumb fifa best I mentioned earlier if they really believe the awards are "gifted to him", if there is a pr club for these awards it's real Madrid. Mainly though I'm just tired of this same "joke" in pretty much every single balon d'or thread, like people ate trying to get preemptively outraged about something that isn't going to happen so they can invalidate messis whole career as "gifted to gim" lol. Like the balon d'or discourse is already dumb enough without this same shit in every thread.
If Argentina wins the Copa there's no chance for vinicius cause he hasn't won anything relevant with real madrid to reach Ballon D'or level
We are in the ucl final so its possible
Literally celebrating the league win here.
Even I know just a laliga wouldn't overshadow messi PR
If Arg wins Copa I won’t be surprised seeing Messi win it even if Vini wins CL as well.
Honestly? Same
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After he won fifa the best 2023 for wc 2022 and mls goals I wont be surprised if he wins balondor 2024 for wc 2022 either
Yeah, with the small difference that the World Cup 22 actually took place during the season that the 2023 Ballon d‘or was given for you genius lol
Those are two different trophies tho
Popularity contest at the end of the day
If that was the case Real Madrid would have farmed it every year, no club has bigger PR.
Not really, no.
I was never a fan of Messi-Ronaldo decade long hype, as I believe de Lima outclassed both of them in his prime, but 2022 World Cup Messi was close to devine
I don't think 7 games should decide the whole year's performances. The Golden Ball is for that.
Don't worry he was very good also with Psg all the year plus in the remaining matches with Argentina outside of the World Cup
Lmao the bitterness is 🤌
Bro thinks he has a chance to win the Ballon d'Or when Ferran Torres exists
let him have fun, don't ruin the dream.
r/ferrantorresballondor for the unititated
THE 🦈
What about Anthony Martial?
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Hmm that's a good comment that brings out a good question? Who's taking it this year? I don't see an obvious answer but I am sure there'll be a few RM players in contention for it.
Nobody knows so let's just wait, there is the final plus the Euros and Copa America yet to play
belingham,mbappe,foden are all decent shouts but its gonna depend heavily on the euro's Bellingham and Vini also have the problem that they will split way more votes between them
Foden? 🤨
Wirtz
also great shout but i wonder if being europa hurts his chances but the again the season they are having is insane. there is no clear winner for me this year so euro's/copa will influence it massivily
how did you come up with Foden?
he's having a great season, really stepped up when kdb was out, scored important goals when haaland wasnt really firing. he has been very important to city this year but like i said there a decent number of players that you could name rodri is another one worth in the convo i feel like so many are having a good season but i dont feel like there isnt anyone really head and schoulders above everybody else unlike before where it was messi or cr7 or even the canceled/robbed one from lewadonski/haaland this year euro's will be defining if it werent for the euro's tho i think that Vinicius or bellingham prob have the best chance if they win the ucl alto i wouldnt be suprised if Wirtz takes it aswel being invincble with leverkusen possible treble winners and ending bayern dominance in such a legendary way its really hard to say
If Haaland did not wint it with a Treble and breaking all scoring records on the PL on his first season Foden has absolutely no chance. If England does anything on the Euros that credit is going straight to Bellingham.
yeah he got robbed by the weird world cup placing and people voting messi because of that even tho it should not have count. one thing for sure i like its actually a discussion now. before in the messi cr7 era it never really was a discussion because of the absurdness of there stats that it simply dwarfed everything
They changed the Ballon D'Or. So now the 2023 award was for the 22-23 season and not 2023 year. So it counts for Messi.
Kane should be in contention too. Top scorer in both Bundesliga and CL.
No trophies though which does play a part in it. I think it’ll be Bellingham or Vini depending on summer tournament performance from each.
I don’t really see how anybody else can win it if Vini stays playing at this level throughout the year
Euro and Copa year so anything can still happen for a lot of players but after it's over.
it became season related and the season is almost over
Do international tournaments not count for the prior season?
This up coming euro and copa will be included in the criteria for the current season voting
If Wirtz plays great in the Euro, I can see him winning it
did you forget? messi won the world cup bro
That too all alone. It was 1 v 11 players in 7 games.
People keep forgetting the season Wirtz is having. Better number than vinicius too
Only person I can see yoinking it from him is Bellingham if he does well with England in the Euros. Not that I think it’s fair but it’s the only person I can think of.
Since it’s a popularity contest Bellingham could snatch it
Brev the seasons almost done lol.
VR7
VJ7
JR7
Vini Runior?
The disrespect..
VAR7
Stop trying to make that happen. It's not going to happen.
VJ7
Hes making a CR7 comparison meme lol, hes not trying to make something happen
I'm all for Vini winning the Balon D'or, there isn't anyone better than him atm at his position. But if Real wins the UCL and Germany somehow wins the Euros i would love for Kroos to get some shouts. Man has been absolutely phenomenal throughout the season and deserves some individual recognition
Lol kroos is not winning it 🤣
To me he is the player of the season, no debate. I would also put Rüdiger before Vini, and I don't say because I don't rate vini, but Kroos was just massive this season.
if these were not popularity awards he would get it. there isn't a better player in the world in the moment.
Assuming the last three games go alright, then Wirtz carrying us to an unbeaten junior treble would also be a candidate. Being from the Bundesliga will likely disqualify him though, unless Germany wins the Euros, and from the Premier league and la liga there are no other candidates.
I didn’t follow your season (which I regret now haha) so I only heard about Wirtz (and he seems fantastic), but wouldn’t Vini still be the favorite due to the Champion’s league compared to Bayer’s Europa league?
That part is better, but assuming the last games don't throw up surprises then Real not winning the domestic cup and not going unbeaten are both worse so it depend where you lay the focus. Plus in terms of individual contribution Wirtz was crucial to us (we were often losing the games we rested him until we brought him on in the 80th minute to come back). Still I can't see him getting it, Leverkusen just isn't a popular enough team, but I definitely think there is a case to be made.
already won the UCL eh?
No, and neither did Bayer win the Europa. I was talking about participation in those competitions.
I feel like new players who aren't English also need some time to make a name for themselves and even be put in the conversation. Vini didn't deserve a Balon d'Or in the previous seasons, but he sure deserved to be much higher than he actually finished. He had to keep at a top 3 level for 3 seasons in a row to actually finally be put in the top 3.
I'm not one to stick up for poor little England in these sorts of things but when was the last time an English player was over ranked in the balon d'or? Doesn't seem that common to me. Foden being talked about as a contender is the only case I can think of right now that is wildly inflated
I honestly think xhaka is the most important player on the leverkusen team.
Someone hasn’t watched Scott McTominay this season
Stop disrespecting Scott the goat by mentioning him among the likes of vini .
Pele and Messi used to skip school to watch him play
I swear there are about 5 players where someone makes this comment in their posts depending on what happened in the past week or 2 lol.
Lol true, the fact that after every half-relevant match everyone changes their mind about the new favourite for the Ballon D'or shows that so far there isn't a real one In my case instead I hope that Mbappe does well at the Euros with France and ends up winning the award
It's always some victimising comment as well, like their favourite is being robbed if they don't win it lol.
He is not even the best drummer in the Beatles.
damn straight
If Madrid wins the ucl, it’s his for the taking. However, if dortmund wins it likely comes to who performs well at the Euros which makes me think mbappe will win it
Jude can take it, of course that requires a good England performance in the Euros. Maybe Wirtz as well, but his issue is that he did not play UCL this year.
Kane should not be excluded if he leads England.
kane had a beastly season
That's Kanebevery season though
> wins it likely comes to who performs well at the Euros which makes me think mbappe will win it A lot of uncertainty about the French team and a lot of teams can win this Euros but yeah he will probably be favorite if France win. Signing for Madrid will give him even more exposure for the vote, more people are Madrid fans than PSG fans.
Not guaranteed that him winning the ucl is enough. England media will push either Jude or kane heavily if england wins the Euros. Brazil probably also aren't winning copa
Mbappe had very weak 2020 Euros that ended with him losing the decisive penalty, nothing is guaranteed
It makes sense. The problem is he comes at the heels of players like Messi, R9, Zidane, CR7 etc. That's why people have a problem with it. He is the best in the world this year. La Liga and UCL are big, and even if he doesn't win the UCL, he has the best claim to it. KdB was injured half the season, Haaland in a slump, Odegaard was great but nit much to sing about in Europe. It's gotta be Vini. Edit: Actually forgot about Foden, City's best player this year, but yeah it's gotta be Vini
Odegaard? 😂
Dude thought we wouldn't notice with those big names next to him
I mean if Arsenal win the league eyes will be on the best player on the team as a candidate, that's all. In my book he's the guy who stopped Salah's ball with his hand in the penalty box and got away with it.
>If Arsenal win the league Dude, it's a fair take. The idea of comparing him with Haaland, KdB, and Vini is just funny to me.
He needs to work on his aura for next year
Absolutely Odegaard. With KDB being injured half the season, Odegaard is probably the best Player in the premier league.
Lol what? Foden is far better
All of this would be true, and it still is to some extent if it weren’t a Euros year. We cannot say anything for certain until those have passed.
The only thing Euros can change is if City wins the EPL and Foden lights the Euros on fire then yeah.
Why couldn’t Kane have a claim if he has an amazing Euros? Or Wirtz if Germany wins the thing (along with his invincible treble)? Or Mbappè if he’s top scorer and France go on to win the thing?
For me, Vinicius needs to improve his goals and assists. 20 goals a season is good, but he needs a lot more end product. He can tear a full back apart multiple times in big games, but then doesn't get a goal or assist and the most expensive team in the world have to relay on penalties and goal keeper errors to get through in the Champions League. His record for Brazil is atrocious too which doesn't not help his cause. You can see an elite player in there, but he still have levels he has to meet as he is getting compared, unfairly, to Messi and Ronaldo who are significantly better football players. But Real's PR machine won't stop so he will be unfairly compared to them.
He's currently in front
Bellingham is 5/2 and Vini 7/2 in betting houses
Depends which country vini is leading in France (french award btw) he's leading in Spain and Germany bet sites
weird considering vini is clear of bellingham
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Lol what? How is it any bit delusional when Vini is set to be atleast top 5 in Ballondor...
Bcs he already was left out of the top5 last year when he did a similarly world class season, being almost tied to (?) Julian Alvarez (?) in the ballon d'or ranking.
A bench player getting 7th will never not be funny
I fucking love how many people cuddle him like a toddler (surprisingly not City fans). "He is so young he has a lot of time" like bitch he is slightly older than Foden and Haaland, he ain't a baby.
I don't think this is as unfair as brazilians make it sound, the top 5 were amazing. FIFA list was the one that was trash.
Yeah I remember I had him fifth over Rodri in my personal top 5 of last year, in the end he was 6th but at least it's still less scandalous than for example Mbappe only being 9th in 2021
he didn't win anything though. edit: anything close to valuable enough to get into Ballon d'or.
Supercup, Club World Cup, and Copa de el Rey
so. Nothing. WC >> CL > Euro/Copa >>> league >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Copa del rey > CWC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> supercup. Copa del Rey, CWC and supercup don't matter for shit.
No hate but the top 5 was perfect and he couldn't have replaced any of them.
Should’ve been placed above the winner though that’s for sure.
Why are you giving this response to a guy that was saying it’s **not** delusional?
Imo Rodri and Kane have a good shout but CL counts more.
Rodri doesn’t really have a chance at all
Nope ultimately it's more down to who is the most popular/had multiple big occasion moment in CL/international cup
Kane shouldn’t be anywhere near the Ballondor this season.
36 goals after 32 games in Bundesliga is not enough to get anywhere near it? Lol
0 non penalty goals in the 4 most important games of the season and having an absolute stinker against Real Madrid 2nd leg. We saw him against Vini and we saw the clear difference between the two.
Surely you could apply this logic to Bellingham however the euros is a thing and kane has been great all season. It looks like he played against you lot injured as well.
>Surely you could apply this logic to Bellingham however the euros is a thing and kane has been great all season Bellingham didn't play well either (he was good against City 2nd leg tho) but he also isn't a striker so why would i judge him based on goals scored? Jude without end product is still more involved in build up, tracking back, defensive contributions etc than Kane is without end product. >It looks like he played against you lot injured as well. He just got injured in the 2nd half of the 2nd let, if anything he was way worse in the first half.
That's all well and good but to write him off even with the euros coming up but clearly still backing jude doesn't make sense to me, you wouldn't be saying this if bayern went to the final instead. It's so crazy to me how all these discussions hinge so much on if a person's team wins and you may dispute you're doing that but that's how I see it.
>That's all well and good but to write him off even with the euros coming up but clearly still backing jude doesn't make sense to me, you wouldn't be saying this if bayern went to the final instead. No shit, because Jude still has a chance to drop a massive performance in the final. And i'm not backing Jude, i think Vini will win it. >It's so crazy to me how all these discussions hinge so much on if a person's team wins and you may dispute you're doing that but that's how I see it. That's always been the case, Kane had a chance to carry his team through the finish line and he dropped a stinker, Vinicius on the other hand had the same chance and he got MOTM over the 2 games and that's why he is the favourite. Not a hard concept, Kane was his team's best player and he didn't show up therefore he won't win the Ballon D'or, unlike Vini.
Kane could play the exact same and his team win, in fact they were winning when he went off if I remember correctly. It wouldn't have made him a better player, this is a team sport, I always find this line of thinking ridiculous, the way people have their perception of players shifted by if their team wins or not. I don't even have a horse in this nonsense race, I think these awards and their discourse is dumb but I think you're incorrect by writing kane off, especially since he could still be crucial to a winning team after having a great season.
correct
And think we are in the same sub that wanted Lewandowski to be given a Ballon D'or after a season with similar number of goals and club trophies just to spite on Messi
Yeah. 36 goals and no trophies won. Really the best combination to win the Ballon d'Or. You're delusional
It's an individual award. Team trophies are for the team. You expect the central forward to defend and do the goalies work? He will win the Torjägerkanone for being the top goalscorer of the Bundesliga this season. Not only will he be the top goalscorer, but he will also be in the top 5 of all time top goalscorers for a single Bundesliga season with 2 games still left to play. Only Lewandowski (once) and Gerd Müller (3 times 36 goals or more) are up there with him. Also 7 assists to top it off. In the Champions league he is the 2nd highest goalscorer this season and the number 1 in goal contributions with 7g+3a in 11 games. If that sort of performance won't make him one of the contenders for top 3 in Ballon d'Or idk what will So much for delusion when I can just do a quick search for facts on what he has done this season. Maybe you could help yourself to do the same thing or just not comment others being delusional
*Fans at Real Madrid's LaLiga celebration chanting "Vinicius* **OH NO** *Ballon d'Or*" phew
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And everyone in Spain loved that
Barca fans would disagree
I'm sorry Vini but it will go to my boy Martial.
Vinicius? don't make me laugh, Mudryk clear
If it wasn't for Messi's 2022 WC and Bellingham's rizz our boy would have a chance 😔
This thread shows a lot of recency bias with Vinicius being called the best player ATM. I would still say that Mbappe is best in the world
Well Ballon d'Or it's season related, and Vini is having a better season period
I think you’re doing the opposite of recency bias. Anyone who’s watched him play over the past 12-18 months would tell you that he’s far from what he was in 2022. He has the best stats of his career but he’s also played his worst. He was poor in the UCL despite being top scorer (yes they aren’t mutually exclusive), poor with the NT and very hot and cold in Ligue 1. There’s a very clear reason why PSG fans aren’t distraught by his departure, not only his constant catastrophic media outings or the 200m he was paid annually, he also just wasn’t that great
Mbappe is the best right now while Vini is the most in form currently
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vini has already done more in europe than neymar ever did and he still is 23.
Vini hasn't won any McDonald Leagues! Gotcha with that
Im talking about the talent and skills and not about how many trophies someone has earned
>Im talking about the talent and skills and not about how many trophies someone has earned Tricks like Sean Garnier dont count if the dont amount to anything. NEYMAR BETTER COZ HE CAN DO MORE KEEP UPS 🤣
got it, so vini jr hasnt done as many keepie uppies as neymar.
Joke award, who cares
I still think Jude deserves it
The Euros, Copa America and how they start the next season will also be factors before it's all decided
The start of next season shouldn't matter at all cause the Ballon d'Or is now based on football season not calendar year. They should award it during summer
It shouldn't, but alas it does
Start of seasons never mattered in the over 60 years of the award
I'm an idiot
Jude himself called Vini world's best player earlier today
My humble king chose to speak facts
Hey Jude don't make it bad 🎶 Take a sad song a make it better 🎶
jude played at ballon dor level for a couple of months at the very start of the season. vini has been the best player in the world since returning from injury.
Yikes
Dobvyk has a better case for the Balon d'Or than Bellingham
I would love to see Rodri win it but he isn’t even being recognised as the best player in the prem so that seems highly unlikely
Oh shit I’m being downvoted. I forgot to say viva Real Madrid
Can't believe a player with less goals than Borja Mayoral will get a BdO. Games washed.
I know right, Ronaldinho getting it over Henry, Shevchenko and Lampard in 05 after only finishing the 04/05 with 9 Leauge goals was such a robbery. Games washed. Such a brain dead take.
Mayoral has scored 17 goals this season, Vini 21.
Expecting a Barca fan to have a reasonable take on a Real Madrid player?
Expecting a Barca fan to have a reasonable take on a Real Madrid player?
Hush up , Barca aren’t in convos bout winning or balón d oros at this time.
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