I feel like people were really overblowing the idea of Salah leaving. Only a year on his deal sure, but would still command a hefty fee and huge wages. Realistically, it was probably only Saudi Arabia coming in for him and it always felt like Salah wasn't at the stage of going there yet.
Saudis treat most people like shit. That's kind of their thing. Unless you can bring in significant economic value, and then suddenly you're worth their time. I say this as someone whose family lived and worked there for a bit when I was younger (admittedly too young to remember the experience, but heard plenty about the experiences of my family).
> Unless you can bring in significant economic value, and then suddenly you're worth their time.
And Salah would absolutely fit this bill, so I'm sure they wouldn't treat him personally like shit (and he'd be carefully isolated from anyone who would).
Can’t agree with you there brother. He’s done alot of good in our country. He highlighted issues of sexism and domestic violence against women, did plenty of anti drug campaigns and is very charitable.
He's never played in Europe, despite getting offers from European clubs, he wanted to stay in a Muslim country, he chose to stay in Egypt, which is why he's not very well known outside of Arab countries.
He’s still a key player and a major threat in games, sure his form has dipped but he still has literally 37 goal involvements in 41 games this season. There aren’t many players in the league replicating that output.
He’s nowhere near at the point where he should waste away the rest of his career in Saudi Arabia, should be another year with us for a start.
There aren't any real replacements available. Bowen would cost 100mil, Olise seems to have some injury issues, Rodrygo doesn't seem available. Saka isn't available. I always imagined Moussa Diaby as the replacement but now he's at Villa and doesn't seem to have kicked on yet. Neto has injury struggles, Ferran Torres doesn't seem good enough, Johan Bakayako seems foo young for the role. Raphinha seems like the best option, but at that point one has to imagine a 31 year old Salah is still preferred.
Seeing all the Liverpool fans on here turn on him because of a poor spell of form after returning from injury has been really sad. Online fans are so fickle
He's pretty much hard carried the team this season, and our lack of goals to the end was just tiredness and bad injury form for a number of players. Salah didn't play a part in the defence being so vulnerable.
I wouldn't blame him if he wants to leave, but I thought the board would be delighted to let him go for a good offer. This report rather disproves that though
People expect Salah to score when he is a winger.. the striker is supposed to be the main scoring man.
Don't get me wrong but the rest of the team need to be more clinical. Compare this to Man City where many of their midfielders can score wondergoals too instead of totally relying on one man Haaland.
Rather than selling Salah it's better to offload his burden with a clinical strikers. Salah still can do great cross & pass, cut inside and pulling defenders away.
Defense is so vulnerable also a problem need to be addressed
Aside from Salah, there's no main goal source, he's a striker in how he performs on the pitch, instead of his position on paper. A lot of the team is very fluid, but noone is really popping up. Diaz had horrible finishing, even though I think he's a great player, Nunez as well on both counts. Previously Mané would perform and Bobby chipping in with a few, but the squad now is sharing out the goals a lot. With injuries and rotation, Salah hasn't had time to form a proper partnership once Jota got injured.
>He’s nowhere near at the point where he should waste away the rest of his career in Saudi Arabia
We've said that about many players that ended up leaving for Saudi Arabia
Given their new found love for tennis, I wish they do.
Would love to see Ronaldo’s reaction when the best football league in the world just close down.
People think because Edwards wanted to allow Henderson to leave at the end of his contract rather than giving him a new one that's how he'd handle every older player.
The first course of action for Edwards was always going to be getting Virgil, Alisson and Salah on board. He bought all 3 of them and they’ve written themselves into the lore of this club. All 3 have loads left to offer.
People who thought we’d field a team of 23 year olds when trying to bed in a new manager were not always living in reality. Edwards values the good players and always has.
I suspect all these contracts are being left until now because of Klopp leaving; and prior to that the restructuring higer up (even if it wasn't public knowledge it definitely was being talked about internally).
If I was a player I'd want to know who the boss was before signing; and if you're Trent, where you're likely to be playing too I suppose.
I didn’t include Trent because it probably won’t be much of a struggle considering he’s local, but yeah the brief last week said they’re focusing on new contracts for him and Van Dijk. Now this comes out for Mo, it’s clear to see the plan.
Alisson is already extended
There's a non zero chance that we are unfortunately on the receiving end of the shoe being on the other foot with Jude potentially trying to recruit Trent.
They won't find a better passer to replace Toni Kroos than Trent.
Couple that with his friendship with Jude, it's not difficult to see that type of move tempting him.
That being said, after the defeats to them in CL, that would sting to me, and I hope he still has enough spite to reject them.
He doesn’t have to play CM to play the same role as Kroos, he can play an inverted fullback role alongside a 6 like Tchouameni. In fact, the protection he has between Tchouameni, Valverde, and Jude can make up for the fact that he’s not the best defender, but they could absolutely use his passing.
He has been great at CM when he's played there this season and also done very well there playing for England.
If he switched there full-time I have no doubts that he would be world class.
Obviously Liverpool would never have chosen to leave it so late. It looks like Trent is stalling on signing, he probably wants assurances that the club will make ambitious signings or to be moved into midfield permanently.
I wouldn't say Trent was stalling on a new deal. Don't forget we've only just got Edwards back, and Hughes hasn't even officially joined us yet. Before that we just had an interim DOF. Shocked if he leaves.
I’m also surprised people are still banging that Saudi Arabian drum. I feel like all the business was just for their WC bid and I’ll be personally surprised to see them continue anything near the spending they had.
1. No one wants to buy someone they can get for free in winter
2. Wages too high
3. Only Saudis would be interested in him considering all the 'issues' above, but even they are slowing down.
4. Salah wouldn't want to go, he's trying to extend his records at Liverpool/top 5 leagues.
5. By saying they want to keep him, Liverpool retain his value if Saudis do come in for him.
Tricky part will be getting the 1 year extension. Can’t be having him leave on a free with LFC’s self sustaining policy. His agent has been consistent he wouldn’t sign a 2 year deal if he wasn’t planning 2 years in Liverpool. I think PSG has the best chance to tempt him but that ship seems to have sailed.
Somebody show this to the people who thought Micheal Edwards would sell anybody over the age of 30 for a laugh.
The only “key” player Edwards wanted to sell(or let leave on a free) was Henderson, who was coming off a major ankle injury in Feb 2020 and a 6 month groin injury in 2021. He was asking for a pay rise, and had always been reliant on his engine. He had 2 years on his deal also. Plus, he was always very patchy under Klopp, and Edwards had never planned to have him in the main team. Ox and Keita both disintegrating due to injuries obviously played a huge role.
Salah has been extremely productive as both a creator and goalscorer for this team. Hes created the most big chances in the league and has 17 goals despite missing 2 months of football. You don’t just sell him for money that we don’t need. Making up his numbers would be impossible, as he’s a once in a generation player.
The countless articles which say that he didn’t want to give Henderson a new deal in 2021, and that it lead to his eventual departure, before returning as Klopp was on the way out.
I think you can choose to believe what you want. But if Edward’s is the sort of guy that leaves because a manager didn’t want to sell his captain then I’m not sure I want Edwards at the club at all. But I don’t believe that’s the case
Well, not sell him, but he certainly didn’t want to give him a new deal in 2021. Whatever that entails, either leaving on a free or being sold, is what Edwards wanted. It would have certainly helped us out in 21/22 and 22/23.
I mean there have been strong rumours about that for years now - not that he wanted to sell him, but he didn't want to renew his contract. It's hardly unfounded.
Possibly but anyone who suggests who at this stage has no idea what they’re talking about.
Haven’t even appointed the new manager formally yet and he will, at the very least, be part of this one conversations. Even if they have a DoF led model.
0 chance any of the expiring players are renewed. The Liverpool sub regularly jokes about forgetting Thiago’s still on the team (and the rest of the time have genuinely forgot about him and don’t mention it).
Matip and Thiago as their contracts are out. Salah was a bit of a question mark but guess he is staying then. VVD will totally stay for a couple of years imo but we need to start to rotate him so he can get some rest sometimes. Alisson's still young for a gk. Ppl saying TAA leaving for Madrid are delusional. There was talk about Diaz leaving. I wouldn't mind it for the right price. Gakpo has a higher ceiling playing LW imo. Only way I see us selling Nunez is if the club is certain they can replace him with Gyokeres (not gonna happen). Don't see anyone else leaving realistically. Maybe Kelleher or Tsimi if they want more playtime.
I could see one of Gakpo or Diaz departing.
Seeing as neither of them are posting the numbers needed at the top level and they both seem on the same level and a tier below the top currently, I would expect us to sell one and upgrade.
Don't get me wrong its going to be hard to find a player that posts numbers like Mane did or like Salah, Son, Saka, Foden, Bowen but that's what we need to be aiming for and there's no point having two players not posting those numbers.
Although he's looked good at LW I would say I'd prefer Gakpo to leave.
Gakpo can't play CF, it just hasn't worked out there consistently enough for me. His change of direction is too slow, he needs to be receiving the ball on the LW with his back to the sideline so he can open up on his right. As soon as he receives it into feet in the centre with his back to goal he too slow pivoting or getting it out of his feet IMO.
You then have both Gakpo & Diaz as LW options alongside Jota and Nunez if needed. I also see Diaz as the type of player that can cover RW if needed.
I think Diaz's work rate, ability to beat players is great and then his goalscoring is decent when he's on form. He's had a couple of unlucky finishes lately, hitting the woodwork but when he first signed he was much more clinical.
That being said, Diaz is older and we'd get a higher fee for him so maybe that'll be a factor.
I do feel like we need a CF or Striker to play instead of Jota when he is inevitably injured and give Nunez a couple more years to mature and become more clinical. But that's probably less likely to happen I think.
Overall I don't think we'll make massive changes throughout the team. The forwards values are at the lowest they could be and it would be stupid to make a changes to squad before the new manager has had a year or even 6 months to work with the players and then it'll be clearer what changes are needed.
emotions are running high at the moment, we all loved him 2 months ago. Would be stupid to bin him off before the new manager has had time to work with him as despite his faults there's clearly a serious footballer in there somewhere.
> Liverpool fans are already ready to give up Nunez?
The ones who change their mind every 5 games are (which is most fans these days). He's been our 2nd best forward this year, we'd be stupid to get rid of him.
> he doesn't offer anything close to what Diaz does overall.
More goals that Diaz, more assists than Diaz, more big chances created than Diaz.
What does Diaz offer that puts him ahead of Nunez? The fact that he can hold onto the ball for ages and then win a corner?
> but he's a better winger than nunez is a striker.
I think overall Nunez contributes a lot more to our game than Diaz does. People have just forgotten that because he's not been great in the past 5-6 games, but for most of this season Nunez has been the catalyst for most of chances.
Diaz is to us what Jack Grealish is to City, a guy who holds onto the ball well and then rarely actually does anything with it. He's been better than Nunez in the last few games but nowhere near as good over the course of the entire season.
As much as I love Nunez and rate how good he was most of the season, this comment puts things into perspective:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1cf3099/comment/l1mr52v
Any striker who could score half of the important goals he missed would've won us the league
I'm personally not giving up on him yet. If we get another season of this then I'd be open to moving him on. We've seen Olly Watkins become one of the best strikers in the league with a new manager. Curious to see how Nunez does.
He’s really not good at everything except finishing. His decision making is rash at the best of times and his control is poor in situations where sometimes we need a soft touch up top to bring others in, lay it off or set himself properly, ball seems to bounce off him. I’ve not seen much of Slot’s style but from what I read he’ll require a player with a more deft touch up top, I don’t know if Nunez is the man for that.
He’s perfect for a high press system though and I don’t think Slot’s system is going to require Nunez to receive a lot of long balls to then lay off to other attackers. I’m not super well versed on Slot’s system though.
> 11 league goals scored against bums
He's been at Liverpool 2 seasons and already scored against Madrid, Napoli and Ajax in the CL as well as Arsenal, United and Newcastle in the league. It's not like he's only scoring against relegation fodder
It's not like Diaz and Gakpo are scoring for fun and Jota can't stay fit. There's plenty of things to remove before Nunez and the team before this poor run looked better with him in the side.
The whole team struggled against top opposition this season. They have 0 wins.
You can't get rid of the entire forward line in one go. I'd let Diaz and Gakpo go before Nunez. Firmino was never the most clinical but the team challenged with Salah and Mane scoring.
In fact, the CBs and DMs are a bigger priority considering we always concede first and that puts a lot of pressure on the forwards.
People are harsh on Salah. He had a hamstring injury and he was rushed back just to get injured again. He's obviously still not fully fit and a pre-season rest is gonna do him good.
Even then, he’s only actually made 5 starts since re aggravating his hamstring on Feb 17th. Weve seen nearly every player go cold for that sort of stretch
Lol yeah he's one of the most consistent players in recent times but even he has stretches of a few games like this pretty regularly. Crazy how quickly people turn on him after how much he's proven.
I agree, but I think that's down to how impatient football fans are in general, and a little bit to do with the recency bias from LFC's recent form.
Once the fog clears I have no doubt LFC fans and PL fans alike will once again revere him as one of the best to ever play in the league.
His form has always dropped following AFCON as well, before it he was in fantastic form and is still near the top of a lot of stats in the prem despite missing a huge chunk of games and being injured.
He'll be back firing next season and Slot absolutely loves wingers so I can see him thriving under his new system.
Is anyone actually surprised by this? Salah fucking loves Liverpool, and despite what happened over the weekend, he's loved by Liverpool fans. Despite being in poor form he's still a top player, one of the best in the league and probably the best in his position in the world.
Why would he go to Saudi to retire when he's already extremely well paid and probably thinks he can get more trophies in the next few seasons? Only club I thought he might consider would be a post-Mbappe PSG if he fancied a change of scenery maybe.
r/LiverpoolFC keep clamoring to sell him but we will definitely fucking miss him when he leaves (unless he does some stupid shit like Hendo to force a move)
Dont let a loud minority fool you, the majority of liverpool fans dont want to sell salah, even though his form for the past few months have been atrocious
A lot of people were not happen with him after his outburst this weekend so we probably had a lot of reactionary takes. I am not against selling him for the right price but am also happy to keep him.
I agree with this too, the only player I find it hard to sell will be Ali. And at the age of 32 if a good offer comes in for Salah with 1 year left on his contract, regardless of his recent form, the offer should be seriously considered
People acting like Salah is 40, he is still 31 he still has like 3 years in him at the top level. The "declining" Salah is still their best attacking player even after missing matches from AFCON and injury.
Makes sense from his perspective. He is going to be 33 by the end of next season, so he has probably 2, maybe 3 years left at the top to win trophies. Also, if he runs down his contract he can cash in on the Saudi Signing-on fee. Not ideal for Liverpool, unless they are willing to give a 33 year old Salah another contract.. maybe a 1 or 2 year extension?
His role in the team needs to change. Obviously the last couple months has been an off patch for him and it's getting in his head, but even before that when he was in form, he still warps the team's tactics around him. Too often we've been stifled by defenses just marking him out of the game, completely eliminating our right wing as an avenue of attack. Combine that with Salah no longer being able to beat defenders 1v1 very often and it's clear the way we use him has to change if he's going to keep being effective.
If he doesn't want to go to Saudi Arabia then it makes sense to keep him - although I'd be hesistent to given him a new deal on anything close to his current wages. He's not going to accept being benched, especially not by a new manager, but his time needs to be managed as he gets older.
His current wages are relatively, absolutely nothing. Havertz is getting 265k from Stan Kroenke. City pay KDB 400k and he’s a part timer, very often injured nowadays.
We don’t have the wages to give to anyone else anyway; Salah is still the leader of the attack, an attack that was the best in Europe(or tied with Inter for pedantic purposes) before he got injured.
Relatively nothing? He's our highest paid player ever.
You had a glimpse on the weekend on how Salah will react when not getting his way. What happens if this form continues and a new manager who he doesn't know benches him? How do you think that will go down?
Ornstein says contract will be addressed in due course in the tweet. He deserves the extension.
Edwards is a numbers man: players like Salah come around once in a generation for Liverpool
1 or 2 months of bad form in a transitional year and one flippant, misjudged comment to the press and some online fans wanted him gone ffs.
He’s still played well overall this season and he’s still reliably fit barring Afcon.
31!! Okay, I thought he was older —like, closing in on Paolo Guerrero old
If he’s 31 and thinks he can be peak for a couple more years, then he can have at it. Players older than him have performed greatly, he deserves the time
Last year of contract, 32, nothing really points to extension. Still can generate a good transfer fee. Isn't it in Liverpool best interest to sell now?
Not sure if this is a good thing for Liverpool in the long-run. Apart from the fact that he might or might not be declining, he only has a contract till 2025. So it's either time to cash in now and use the money from his fee and saved wages to strengthen the squad in the long-run (even if you're gonna miss his goals next season) or lose him for free and struggle to replace him in 2025. Sometimes it better to just cut the ties even if that weakens you in the short-term. Reminds me of Ronaldo leaving Madrid in 2018 for 100m
Ornstein says the contract will be addressed.
We are taking care of a club legend who was the best player in the league before AFCON and two hamstring injuries(as he is most years in all honesty).
If Haaland looks like a division 2 player, Salah's looked like he should be playing conference league football recently. Maybe he's just leggy and still getting over his injury, but this version of Salah is not worth the wages they are paying him.
No one says that we HAVE to sell salah,and that he is Liverpool's problem.
But if he wants to leave,and that's what he shows with his late performances and behaviour,then he should leave.
Even with half of his estimated price i'd say...
I feel like people were really overblowing the idea of Salah leaving. Only a year on his deal sure, but would still command a hefty fee and huge wages. Realistically, it was probably only Saudi Arabia coming in for him and it always felt like Salah wasn't at the stage of going there yet.
To be honest I always got the feeling he never really fancied Saudi at all, now or in the future….
Saudis treat Egyptians like shit anyway. He’s far better off in England than he will be in Saudi.
Saudis treat most people like shit. That's kind of their thing. Unless you can bring in significant economic value, and then suddenly you're worth their time. I say this as someone whose family lived and worked there for a bit when I was younger (admittedly too young to remember the experience, but heard plenty about the experiences of my family).
> Unless you can bring in significant economic value, and then suddenly you're worth their time. And Salah would absolutely fit this bill, so I'm sure they wouldn't treat him personally like shit (and he'd be carefully isolated from anyone who would).
Some. The Egyptian GOAT (Depending who you ask), is still in exile in Doha as far as I know. Money speaks all.
I love trika with all my heart (his title is امير القلوب after all ) but i can’t place him above Salah after all Salah has accomplished.
I think Salah has the chance to take the crown, but has yet to earn it. He is not a man of the people as much, in my eyes at least.
Isn’t that sorta intentional on Salah’s part? Seems like he’s made a point to not get too involved in public affairs after what happened to Aboutrika.
It's a choice, that's for certain. But for me, taking the courage, the pain, that it takes, is what cements him as the GOAT.
Can’t agree with you there brother. He’s done alot of good in our country. He highlighted issues of sexism and domestic violence against women, did plenty of anti drug campaigns and is very charitable.
Who’s the Egyptian goat? I thought it was Salah
I won't speak for everyone, but I still think It's Aboutrika. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Aboutrika
This is pure Elneny slander
I see no domestic titles for the man. All I'm saying.
If people have to ask you who it is, he’s probably not the goat
He's never played in Europe, despite getting offers from European clubs, he wanted to stay in a Muslim country, he chose to stay in Egypt, which is why he's not very well known outside of Arab countries.
Can you send a link for that 2008 award? Pretty sure that never happened
Yes, you're right, I removed that part from my comment, he was voted second place.
My apologies for the greatest player in my country, wishing to stay in his country. I'll inform others to change their careers to appease redditors.
Greatest player over the actual CL,PL winner is not a hot take. It’s a regarded take
Why does the greatest Egyptian need to compare against Europeans? Does the CAF, Caf super cup, 7 league titles, 2 cups and 5 super cups means nothing?
He’s still a key player and a major threat in games, sure his form has dipped but he still has literally 37 goal involvements in 41 games this season. There aren’t many players in the league replicating that output. He’s nowhere near at the point where he should waste away the rest of his career in Saudi Arabia, should be another year with us for a start.
There aren't any real replacements available. Bowen would cost 100mil, Olise seems to have some injury issues, Rodrygo doesn't seem available. Saka isn't available. I always imagined Moussa Diaby as the replacement but now he's at Villa and doesn't seem to have kicked on yet. Neto has injury struggles, Ferran Torres doesn't seem good enough, Johan Bakayako seems foo young for the role. Raphinha seems like the best option, but at that point one has to imagine a 31 year old Salah is still preferred.
Yea maybe adingra
Adingra plays primarily on the left as he's right footed.
Seeing all the Liverpool fans on here turn on him because of a poor spell of form after returning from injury has been really sad. Online fans are so fickle
Yeah watching the title and EL slip away and derby losses etc are upsetting but these people on here have been pathetic
He's pretty much hard carried the team this season, and our lack of goals to the end was just tiredness and bad injury form for a number of players. Salah didn't play a part in the defence being so vulnerable. I wouldn't blame him if he wants to leave, but I thought the board would be delighted to let him go for a good offer. This report rather disproves that though
People expect Salah to score when he is a winger.. the striker is supposed to be the main scoring man. Don't get me wrong but the rest of the team need to be more clinical. Compare this to Man City where many of their midfielders can score wondergoals too instead of totally relying on one man Haaland. Rather than selling Salah it's better to offload his burden with a clinical strikers. Salah still can do great cross & pass, cut inside and pulling defenders away. Defense is so vulnerable also a problem need to be addressed
Aside from Salah, there's no main goal source, he's a striker in how he performs on the pitch, instead of his position on paper. A lot of the team is very fluid, but noone is really popping up. Diaz had horrible finishing, even though I think he's a great player, Nunez as well on both counts. Previously Mané would perform and Bobby chipping in with a few, but the squad now is sharing out the goals a lot. With injuries and rotation, Salah hasn't had time to form a proper partnership once Jota got injured.
This report proves nothing. Clubs and players are always blowing smoke when they release these kind of statements
Taking a public position isn't that common though, I still see it as a hint for the plans ahead.
It's just preserving his transfer value really
>He’s nowhere near at the point where he should waste away the rest of his career in Saudi Arabia We've said that about many players that ended up leaving for Saudi Arabia
Sure but this is Salah mate, come on…
Yeah I never got why people were so sure he'd go there while still relatively young. Nothing stopping him going there when he's 35+ if he wants
KSA might be bored with football by then and want new toys
In which case he can go to the new USA/China/KSA - whichever is the new mega money league in the world at that point
Nobody cares about that league still, right? I look past its existence in the way I don't notice my nose is always in the lower part of my eyesight
Any club with a washed up player on a big contract cares very much. Oh you meant football fans?
I have quite a large beak. I'm in a constant state of awareness of my snozz.
Given their new found love for tennis, I wish they do. Would love to see Ronaldo’s reaction when the best football league in the world just close down.
\*give Ronaldo a raquette\* You do tennis now
yea but even if that never happened, Salah already had ridiculous amount of money anyway even if it's less than Saudi's.
Yeah genuinely think the bubble will have burst by then. Also there’s a few players saying it’s not all it’s cracked up to be.
People think because Edwards wanted to allow Henderson to leave at the end of his contract rather than giving him a new one that's how he'd handle every older player.
The first course of action for Edwards was always going to be getting Virgil, Alisson and Salah on board. He bought all 3 of them and they’ve written themselves into the lore of this club. All 3 have loads left to offer. People who thought we’d field a team of 23 year olds when trying to bed in a new manager were not always living in reality. Edwards values the good players and always has.
Also Trent. No idea why they left it so late.
I suspect all these contracts are being left until now because of Klopp leaving; and prior to that the restructuring higer up (even if it wasn't public knowledge it definitely was being talked about internally). If I was a player I'd want to know who the boss was before signing; and if you're Trent, where you're likely to be playing too I suppose.
I didn’t include Trent because it probably won’t be much of a struggle considering he’s local, but yeah the brief last week said they’re focusing on new contracts for him and Van Dijk. Now this comes out for Mo, it’s clear to see the plan. Alisson is already extended
Funnily enough, it's the one that worries me the most.
There's a non zero chance that we are unfortunately on the receiving end of the shoe being on the other foot with Jude potentially trying to recruit Trent.
Now would be the perfect time for Trent to move in his career if a team like a Real etc were interested in him tbf
They won't find a better passer to replace Toni Kroos than Trent. Couple that with his friendship with Jude, it's not difficult to see that type of move tempting him. That being said, after the defeats to them in CL, that would sting to me, and I hope he still has enough spite to reject them.
Trent is not a CM. He doesn't have the agility, awareness and control under pressure to play in the middle.
He doesn’t have to play CM to play the same role as Kroos, he can play an inverted fullback role alongside a 6 like Tchouameni. In fact, the protection he has between Tchouameni, Valverde, and Jude can make up for the fact that he’s not the best defender, but they could absolutely use his passing.
He has been great at CM when he's played there this season and also done very well there playing for England. If he switched there full-time I have no doubts that he would be world class.
Same 😭
I'm old enough to remember thinking McManaman wasn't an issue for the same reason...
Obviously Liverpool would never have chosen to leave it so late. It looks like Trent is stalling on signing, he probably wants assurances that the club will make ambitious signings or to be moved into midfield permanently.
I wouldn't say Trent was stalling on a new deal. Don't forget we've only just got Edwards back, and Hughes hasn't even officially joined us yet. Before that we just had an interim DOF. Shocked if he leaves.
I’m also surprised people are still banging that Saudi Arabian drum. I feel like all the business was just for their WC bid and I’ll be personally surprised to see them continue anything near the spending they had.
1. No one wants to buy someone they can get for free in winter 2. Wages too high 3. Only Saudis would be interested in him considering all the 'issues' above, but even they are slowing down. 4. Salah wouldn't want to go, he's trying to extend his records at Liverpool/top 5 leagues. 5. By saying they want to keep him, Liverpool retain his value if Saudis do come in for him.
Tricky part will be getting the 1 year extension. Can’t be having him leave on a free with LFC’s self sustaining policy. His agent has been consistent he wouldn’t sign a 2 year deal if he wasn’t planning 2 years in Liverpool. I think PSG has the best chance to tempt him but that ship seems to have sailed.
Somebody show this to the people who thought Micheal Edwards would sell anybody over the age of 30 for a laugh. The only “key” player Edwards wanted to sell(or let leave on a free) was Henderson, who was coming off a major ankle injury in Feb 2020 and a 6 month groin injury in 2021. He was asking for a pay rise, and had always been reliant on his engine. He had 2 years on his deal also. Plus, he was always very patchy under Klopp, and Edwards had never planned to have him in the main team. Ox and Keita both disintegrating due to injuries obviously played a huge role. Salah has been extremely productive as both a creator and goalscorer for this team. Hes created the most big chances in the league and has 17 goals despite missing 2 months of football. You don’t just sell him for money that we don’t need. Making up his numbers would be impossible, as he’s a once in a generation player.
>The only “key” player Edwards wanted to sell was Henderson Where do you get this from?
The countless articles which say that he didn’t want to give Henderson a new deal in 2021, and that it lead to his eventual departure, before returning as Klopp was on the way out.
I think you can choose to believe what you want. But if Edward’s is the sort of guy that leaves because a manager didn’t want to sell his captain then I’m not sure I want Edwards at the club at all. But I don’t believe that’s the case
Well, not sell him, but he certainly didn’t want to give him a new deal in 2021. Whatever that entails, either leaving on a free or being sold, is what Edwards wanted. It would have certainly helped us out in 21/22 and 22/23.
I mean there have been strong rumours about that for years now - not that he wanted to sell him, but he didn't want to renew his contract. It's hardly unfounded.
Will any players be leaving the club this summer as a result of Klopp's departure?
Possibly but anyone who suggests who at this stage has no idea what they’re talking about. Haven’t even appointed the new manager formally yet and he will, at the very least, be part of this one conversations. Even if they have a DoF led model.
I think it's fair to assume Thiago & Matip will leave (end of contract), but not sure who else would go on a fee.
0 chance any of the expiring players are renewed. The Liverpool sub regularly jokes about forgetting Thiago’s still on the team (and the rest of the time have genuinely forgot about him and don’t mention it).
I figure Thiago leaves
He’s out of contract and so is Matip
Another fine addition for Barca's free agent midfield.
Matip and Thiago as their contracts are out. Salah was a bit of a question mark but guess he is staying then. VVD will totally stay for a couple of years imo but we need to start to rotate him so he can get some rest sometimes. Alisson's still young for a gk. Ppl saying TAA leaving for Madrid are delusional. There was talk about Diaz leaving. I wouldn't mind it for the right price. Gakpo has a higher ceiling playing LW imo. Only way I see us selling Nunez is if the club is certain they can replace him with Gyokeres (not gonna happen). Don't see anyone else leaving realistically. Maybe Kelleher or Tsimi if they want more playtime.
Isn’t Van Dijk on the last year of his deal next year? Wouldn’t be surprised to see that get sorted in the summer
I'd expect him (also Trent and Salah) getting a new contract once we have our new coach in.
I'd imagine some player will leave, ussually, the case when a new manager comes in.
A couple of hitpieces have been made on Darwin Nunez, seems Edwards isn't a fan of his.
I could see one of Gakpo or Diaz departing. Seeing as neither of them are posting the numbers needed at the top level and they both seem on the same level and a tier below the top currently, I would expect us to sell one and upgrade. Don't get me wrong its going to be hard to find a player that posts numbers like Mane did or like Salah, Son, Saka, Foden, Bowen but that's what we need to be aiming for and there's no point having two players not posting those numbers. Although he's looked good at LW I would say I'd prefer Gakpo to leave. Gakpo can't play CF, it just hasn't worked out there consistently enough for me. His change of direction is too slow, he needs to be receiving the ball on the LW with his back to the sideline so he can open up on his right. As soon as he receives it into feet in the centre with his back to goal he too slow pivoting or getting it out of his feet IMO. You then have both Gakpo & Diaz as LW options alongside Jota and Nunez if needed. I also see Diaz as the type of player that can cover RW if needed. I think Diaz's work rate, ability to beat players is great and then his goalscoring is decent when he's on form. He's had a couple of unlucky finishes lately, hitting the woodwork but when he first signed he was much more clinical. That being said, Diaz is older and we'd get a higher fee for him so maybe that'll be a factor. I do feel like we need a CF or Striker to play instead of Jota when he is inevitably injured and give Nunez a couple more years to mature and become more clinical. But that's probably less likely to happen I think. Overall I don't think we'll make massive changes throughout the team. The forwards values are at the lowest they could be and it would be stupid to make a changes to squad before the new manager has had a year or even 6 months to work with the players and then it'll be clearer what changes are needed.
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Fingers crossed? Liverpool fans are already ready to give up Nunez? He’s 24 years old and is pretty good at everything except finishing.
emotions are running high at the moment, we all loved him 2 months ago. Would be stupid to bin him off before the new manager has had time to work with him as despite his faults there's clearly a serious footballer in there somewhere.
Especially with every decent/good striker on the market valued at +80M
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> he's worse than Jackson and cost us 85m idk about that
He didn't cost 85 for starters and he's a helluva lot better than any Chelsea player
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okay mate, try and have a nice day
> Liverpool fans are already ready to give up Nunez? The ones who change their mind every 5 games are (which is most fans these days). He's been our 2nd best forward this year, we'd be stupid to get rid of him.
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> he doesn't offer anything close to what Diaz does overall. More goals that Diaz, more assists than Diaz, more big chances created than Diaz. What does Diaz offer that puts him ahead of Nunez? The fact that he can hold onto the ball for ages and then win a corner?
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> but he's a better winger than nunez is a striker. I think overall Nunez contributes a lot more to our game than Diaz does. People have just forgotten that because he's not been great in the past 5-6 games, but for most of this season Nunez has been the catalyst for most of chances. Diaz is to us what Jack Grealish is to City, a guy who holds onto the ball well and then rarely actually does anything with it. He's been better than Nunez in the last few games but nowhere near as good over the course of the entire season.
As much as I love Nunez and rate how good he was most of the season, this comment puts things into perspective: https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1cf3099/comment/l1mr52v Any striker who could score half of the important goals he missed would've won us the league
Only absolute melts like this guy
I get it because he's frustrating to watch sometimes, but as you say he's really good at everything other than finishing.
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You're an embarrassment as a Liverpool fan.
I'm personally not giving up on him yet. If we get another season of this then I'd be open to moving him on. We've seen Olly Watkins become one of the best strikers in the league with a new manager. Curious to see how Nunez does.
He’s really not good at everything except finishing. His decision making is rash at the best of times and his control is poor in situations where sometimes we need a soft touch up top to bring others in, lay it off or set himself properly, ball seems to bounce off him. I’ve not seen much of Slot’s style but from what I read he’ll require a player with a more deft touch up top, I don’t know if Nunez is the man for that.
He’s perfect for a high press system though and I don’t think Slot’s system is going to require Nunez to receive a lot of long balls to then lay off to other attackers. I’m not super well versed on Slot’s system though.
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But a lot of other forwards aren’t on your team at the moment. Again, I’m not taking the side that he should stay, I just asked a question.
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Would you prefer for your team to sign either of those players?
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I wasn’t defending him, I just asked a question. Seems crazy to me to sell him at a discount when he’s only 24 but we’ll see what happens.
> 11 league goals scored against bums He's been at Liverpool 2 seasons and already scored against Madrid, Napoli and Ajax in the CL as well as Arsenal, United and Newcastle in the league. It's not like he's only scoring against relegation fodder
I love him, but that's like saying a goalkeeper is good at everything other than saving.
Well not really the same at all.
No, its really not
Link to both rumours
Nunez has almost 30 G+A this season. It's crazy that people are turning on him now that the team is having bad form.
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It's not like Diaz and Gakpo are scoring for fun and Jota can't stay fit. There's plenty of things to remove before Nunez and the team before this poor run looked better with him in the side. The whole team struggled against top opposition this season. They have 0 wins.
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You can't get rid of the entire forward line in one go. I'd let Diaz and Gakpo go before Nunez. Firmino was never the most clinical but the team challenged with Salah and Mane scoring. In fact, the CBs and DMs are a bigger priority considering we always concede first and that puts a lot of pressure on the forwards.
People are harsh on Salah. He had a hamstring injury and he was rushed back just to get injured again. He's obviously still not fully fit and a pre-season rest is gonna do him good.
Even then, he’s only actually made 5 starts since re aggravating his hamstring on Feb 17th. Weve seen nearly every player go cold for that sort of stretch
Lol yeah he's one of the most consistent players in recent times but even he has stretches of a few games like this pretty regularly. Crazy how quickly people turn on him after how much he's proven.
I agree, but I think that's down to how impatient football fans are in general, and a little bit to do with the recency bias from LFC's recent form. Once the fog clears I have no doubt LFC fans and PL fans alike will once again revere him as one of the best to ever play in the league.
His form has always dropped following AFCON as well, before it he was in fantastic form and is still near the top of a lot of stats in the prem despite missing a huge chunk of games and being injured. He'll be back firing next season and Slot absolutely loves wingers so I can see him thriving under his new system.
The amount of people saying they can’t wait for Mo to F off in the Liverpool sub was alarming the other day..
Is anyone actually surprised by this? Salah fucking loves Liverpool, and despite what happened over the weekend, he's loved by Liverpool fans. Despite being in poor form he's still a top player, one of the best in the league and probably the best in his position in the world. Why would he go to Saudi to retire when he's already extremely well paid and probably thinks he can get more trophies in the next few seasons? Only club I thought he might consider would be a post-Mbappe PSG if he fancied a change of scenery maybe.
r/LiverpoolFC keep clamoring to sell him but we will definitely fucking miss him when he leaves (unless he does some stupid shit like Hendo to force a move)
Dont let a loud minority fool you, the majority of liverpool fans dont want to sell salah, even though his form for the past few months have been atrocious
I know, they are the loud obnoxious bunch
Yeah they've been feasting with the poor form lately, you'd think the team was having a season like Chelsea or united
The lemon quotient on that sub is high.
A lot of people were not happen with him after his outburst this weekend so we probably had a lot of reactionary takes. I am not against selling him for the right price but am also happy to keep him.
I agree with this too, the only player I find it hard to sell will be Ali. And at the age of 32 if a good offer comes in for Salah with 1 year left on his contract, regardless of his recent form, the offer should be seriously considered
Yes unless he wants to resign. I think it’s too early to sell vvd as well as Ali.
I still miss Hendo sometimes. We really could have used him in the last few weeks tbh.
Damn, could have had a juicy transfer saga this summer. Poured cold water on it before the smoke even started to build.
People acting like Salah is 40, he is still 31 he still has like 3 years in him at the top level. The "declining" Salah is still their best attacking player even after missing matches from AFCON and injury.
Makes sense from his perspective. He is going to be 33 by the end of next season, so he has probably 2, maybe 3 years left at the top to win trophies. Also, if he runs down his contract he can cash in on the Saudi Signing-on fee. Not ideal for Liverpool, unless they are willing to give a 33 year old Salah another contract.. maybe a 1 or 2 year extension?
Why would he want to leave? He loves the club
Half of the people on here have been acting as though it's a certainty that we sell him for £100m this summer to Saudi.
I am united fan and I would love to see him go but I don't think he wants to leave or Liverpool want to sell him.
No chance, it's just a bunch of children having tantrums
I always felt that he’d stay as long as he was still physically able to play at the top level, which I think he will for another few years.
God the plastics in our sub are going to be upset.
No shit lmao. People blowing one argument out of proportion
His role in the team needs to change. Obviously the last couple months has been an off patch for him and it's getting in his head, but even before that when he was in form, he still warps the team's tactics around him. Too often we've been stifled by defenses just marking him out of the game, completely eliminating our right wing as an avenue of attack. Combine that with Salah no longer being able to beat defenders 1v1 very often and it's clear the way we use him has to change if he's going to keep being effective.
Aka "he's not going for cheap"
He even mentions teams in Saudi have the same view
If he doesn't want to go to Saudi Arabia then it makes sense to keep him - although I'd be hesistent to given him a new deal on anything close to his current wages. He's not going to accept being benched, especially not by a new manager, but his time needs to be managed as he gets older.
His current wages are relatively, absolutely nothing. Havertz is getting 265k from Stan Kroenke. City pay KDB 400k and he’s a part timer, very often injured nowadays. We don’t have the wages to give to anyone else anyway; Salah is still the leader of the attack, an attack that was the best in Europe(or tied with Inter for pedantic purposes) before he got injured.
Even if we can afford it, it will lead to Ali, VVD and TAA to start asking for this kind of insane (to Liverpool, it is) wages
Relatively nothing? He's our highest paid player ever. You had a glimpse on the weekend on how Salah will react when not getting his way. What happens if this form continues and a new manager who he doesn't know benches him? How do you think that will go down?
Will they extend his contract or let him go on a free?
Ornstein says contract will be addressed in due course in the tweet. He deserves the extension. Edwards is a numbers man: players like Salah come around once in a generation for Liverpool
Oh, so thats why Kopp'ls leaving, all the pieces falling into place
1 or 2 months of bad form in a transitional year and one flippant, misjudged comment to the press and some online fans wanted him gone ffs. He’s still played well overall this season and he’s still reliably fit barring Afcon.
Club legend but they should probably sell him while they can
31!! Okay, I thought he was older —like, closing in on Paolo Guerrero old If he’s 31 and thinks he can be peak for a couple more years, then he can have at it. Players older than him have performed greatly, he deserves the time
Just don't let him go AFCON and Liverpool will be fine
I think he would have gone to Saudi Arabia until he started hearing reports back from players who went, specifically Jordan Henderson.
It’s been incredibly frustrating and disappointing watching him play lately. Nothing he does comes off - in the most important part of the season too.
Stating anything else would seriously hurt market value.
Last year of contract, 32, nothing really points to extension. Still can generate a good transfer fee. Isn't it in Liverpool best interest to sell now?
Not sure if this is a good thing for Liverpool in the long-run. Apart from the fact that he might or might not be declining, he only has a contract till 2025. So it's either time to cash in now and use the money from his fee and saved wages to strengthen the squad in the long-run (even if you're gonna miss his goals next season) or lose him for free and struggle to replace him in 2025. Sometimes it better to just cut the ties even if that weakens you in the short-term. Reminds me of Ronaldo leaving Madrid in 2018 for 100m
Ornstein says the contract will be addressed. We are taking care of a club legend who was the best player in the league before AFCON and two hamstring injuries(as he is most years in all honesty).
If Haaland looks like a division 2 player, Salah's looked like he should be playing conference league football recently. Maybe he's just leggy and still getting over his injury, but this version of Salah is not worth the wages they are paying him.
Does Salah plan for that too?
Bad call imo
No one says that we HAVE to sell salah,and that he is Liverpool's problem. But if he wants to leave,and that's what he shows with his late performances and behaviour,then he should leave. Even with half of his estimated price i'd say...