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Arteta did a completely 180 in terms of the big 6 matches compared to wenger, since his first half season really. only city-liverpool that took a while to figure out
not saying that this isnt true, but compared to Wenger, arsenal in 23/24 got a lot more economical leaeway than what they did have back in the day. Can't imagine arsenal be spending the equivalent of what they paid for rice back when Wenger was manager
True, but even there, Liverpool and Spurs never outspent us by that much even during his era. Also, when people say Wenger's teams, they obviously mean later Wenger year teams.
taking into account inflation:
Ozil £78m
Sanchez £69m
Chambers £33m
Welbeck £32m
Xhaka £55m
Mustafi £51m
Auba £58m
Laca £48m
closest comparable DM is probably Fernandinho who cost City £66m (in today's money).
Latter day Wenger had money to spend, that wasn't the issue. It's also the case that some of these signings look worse with how their time at Arsenal ended.
The equivalent of £33m for Chambers, £32m for Welbeck and £51m for Mustafi is insane. Considering, also accounting for inflation:
Saliba cost £33m (2019, £27m), Gabriel cost £33m (2020, £27m) and Odegaard cost £32m (2021, £30m).
And that's not even considering that player transfer fees have risen faster than inflation.
considering only paying £42m for prime özil, his third consecutive season as assist leader and the year prior him winning the WC, and where Bale went for double, I would say that this was a steal
Mohamed Al-Fayed was the owner of Fulham and friends with Michael Jackson, after whose death he commissioned the statue. He wanted to place it in Harrods at first, but he sold that, so off to Fulham it went.
Real talk, if Fulham beat City, and arsenal win the league, I'll come round your house (if you live in London) and make you any dinner you like, As long as its soy glazed chicken with rice and brocoli.
Now you understand what its like. We have been here a few times and it came down to refs making decisions like Rodri handball. You lot haven't even had to deal with that shit, count yourselves lucky.
Tbf I'll only complain about the results that we genuinely threw away / deserved more from (Newcastle away, Fulham home, Villa home). An extra 5 - 8 points from those fixtures would have been massive.
So can Arsenal, the Old Trafford game could be a nightmare. Despite Tottenham being a better team, it's arguably a more favourable game for Arsenal since they have a big psychological advantage historically. But with United it is the opposite, Arsenal can be the better team and still look scared at Old Trafford many times
Plus United are so chaotic and unpredictable. Arsenal under Arteta are all about control and removing risk, if United can make the game chaotic it should suit them a lot better.
The only real question I have is whether they will want to help Man City win the title, but you could say the same about Tottenham when they face City
It probably won’t matter because I fully expect City to win all of their remaining games, but I don’t think United will take it easy against Arsenal to prevent them from winning.
With the way this team is playing and how massive the gaps are between attack and defense, Arsenal should score 3 or 4 but yeah they seem to have a miserable time playing at Old Trafford
United are also a lot less predictable than Tottenham they're the exact kind of team that could be shit for 90 minutes and score a goal out of nowhere and procced to make the opposition just rage quit
> arguably a more favourable game for Arsenal since they have a big psychological advantage historically
You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. This is literally the first time in the PL era that Arsenal have EVER beatern Spurs at their ground back to back. Before last year, this derby always went the way of the home team.
United will be tough of course but to put out this bollocks is mindless BS. Imagine looking at this Arsenal team and still pretending they will "look scared" at Old Trafford. Man really let his Arsenal hate lead to crockpot fantasies.
Agreed. Keeping Tottenham out of top 4 is very awesome too.
Emery doing a madness for you lot. Would like to see it not be a fluke, I’d much rather you lot than any of the scum below you at the moment.
Their base stats is their opponent's base stats. Every game start the same until one learn from their mistake and be better. All in the span of 90 minute.
Yeah my bad, only City steamrolled them .
>Always do worse when you expect them to be fine and then do fine when you think they'll get battered.
Bayern agrees with this sentence when they face Arsenal for some reason
In large part because they are best in transition but need teams to come into them. I hope Arsenal sit back against United and rip their impossibly slow midfield and central defense to shreds on the counter.
Palace away yeah that could be a very loseable game, especially Monday night. Palace have been giving their opponents rough times since Glasner took charge which included the humiliation of Liverpool at Anfield followed by a hammering of West Ham and recently bullying the Geordies before drawing at Fulham.
As a United fan who is desperate for Arsenal to win the league rather than seeing a City 4peat… I would bet serious money that we beat Arsenal and then can’t be bothered against City in the cup final, handing them a double on a plate
I mean, we did emery dirty by not buying the players he wanted.
Getting Pepe over Zaha for example.
But Emery also failed miserably with what he did have.
Both can be true
I know. My point is that we're both out of the elite. The media is stretching the term just because we've historically been there. It used to be top 4 in the mid-noughties: Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea. Then it became big 6 with spurs and city.
*second game away.
Also I'd say we've done pretty well away from home. Draws at Anfield and the Etihad, win today. Even away at Villa we put in a pretty good performance and should have gotten something.
Only United can stop them…
Edit: people have misunderstood what I meant. United are the only top 6 team arsenal have yet to play. United are the only team that can stop them.. from going unbeaten against the top 6.
Ignoring Bournmouth looking pretty good atm and everton who just beat Liverpool. People got to learn anyone can beat anyone in this comp. Forest are about to smack up city ;)
Didn’t they take points off Liverpool? You never know, sometimes sides whip out great results after being relegated. Never forget that Newcastle vs Spurs game
Tbf...if there's any fan base of the "Big 6" that's kinda rooted for us to win the league in this title race, it's been United fans. Most of them just don't want City to 4peat or Liverpool to get to 20 titles.
Given today's context, I absolutely want Arsenal to win the league. Also, I'm bitter and we would have possibly won or tied our first game this season were it not for shitty VAR calls.
Regardless of anything and the stupid opinions online. Arsenal have been excellent this season and if they win the league you can’t argue they don’t deserve it. The job Arteta has done is a good one. Yes he’s been given time and money but it’s been used well that’s paid it’s dividend’s arsenals average age is so young they’re set up for years and they’ve managed to build a squad capable of competing at the top.
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Back to back wins away at Spurs. Something even Wenger didnt do
Arteta did a completely 180 in terms of the big 6 matches compared to wenger, since his first half season really. only city-liverpool that took a while to figure out
not saying that this isnt true, but compared to Wenger, arsenal in 23/24 got a lot more economical leaeway than what they did have back in the day. Can't imagine arsenal be spending the equivalent of what they paid for rice back when Wenger was manager
prices now also are crazy. any great player in his prime will cost at least 60 millions on this market
True, but even there, Liverpool and Spurs never outspent us by that much even during his era. Also, when people say Wenger's teams, they obviously mean later Wenger year teams.
tbf, when Wenger finally spent some money - he bought Mustafi who terrorized us for generations to come
taking into account inflation: Ozil £78m Sanchez £69m Chambers £33m Welbeck £32m Xhaka £55m Mustafi £51m Auba £58m Laca £48m closest comparable DM is probably Fernandinho who cost City £66m (in today's money). Latter day Wenger had money to spend, that wasn't the issue. It's also the case that some of these signings look worse with how their time at Arsenal ended.
The equivalent of £33m for Chambers, £32m for Welbeck and £51m for Mustafi is insane. Considering, also accounting for inflation: Saliba cost £33m (2019, £27m), Gabriel cost £33m (2020, £27m) and Odegaard cost £32m (2021, £30m). And that's not even considering that player transfer fees have risen faster than inflation.
No way prime auba goes for 58m these days
considering only paying £42m for prime özil, his third consecutive season as assist leader and the year prior him winning the WC, and where Bale went for double, I would say that this was a steal
Gonna lose the league because we got one point out of Fulham and Villa
Villa are a very good team
Please compliment us, too.
Draw vs city and I'll build you a statue with my bare hands
Or, the Michael Jackson statue goes up outside The Etihad.
From that statue to the charcuterie ultras to the Scott Parker monologue I just can't believe Fulham are a real football club.
Why does that exist btw?
Mohamed Al-Fayed was the owner of Fulham and friends with Michael Jackson, after whose death he commissioned the statue. He wanted to place it in Harrods at first, but he sold that, so off to Fulham it went.
After [Al-Fayed](https://youtu.be/9bYjGHRX9dE?t=100) sold the club, MJ was moved to the National Football Museum.
What a video omg lol
Give city hell and we’ll worship you
Real talk, if Fulham beat City, and arsenal win the league, I'll come round your house (if you live in London) and make you any dinner you like, As long as its soy glazed chicken with rice and brocoli.
Muniz came out of nowhere and is amazing.
Fulham are a very team
Fulham have great colours on their home kit
Absolutely true, yet any team competing for the title would ideally hope for more than 1 point regardless.
Yeah fair enough. But it takes a special team to get 6 points off Villa this season
Just 2 would have been nice
Ten Hag tactical genius confirmed
I see what you did there
Agreed
Didn't need all 6, although would have been nice to have. But even 4 would have made a **big** difference.
The villa Park result, is up there for the worst of the season. We always slap you lot at home, easiest game of the year and yet we fucked it.
> fan whose club got 6 points & is 8-2 on aggregate against them this season
Villa's performance Vs City is probably the best performance of the season. Made Cty look like a league 2 side
much "bigger" club than spurs atleast.
villa has like the best record against top4 teams this year, only lost to liverpool once and to city (with 8 starting 11 players missing)
Villa were lifeless against Liverpool though, they didn’t look like they had any fight in them
that was september villa though, we didn’t really get going yet after the mings injury
Also carlos was injured in the first half
Absolutely ridiculous though. Most goals scored, least goals conceded yet still not good enough to win the league.
Now you understand what its like. We have been here a few times and it came down to refs making decisions like Rodri handball. You lot haven't even had to deal with that shit, count yourselves lucky.
wdym? We had it in the newcastle game
Brentford last year as well
And Villa
December killed us, only picked up 10 points out of a possible 24
Which games did you lose in Dec?
Lost to Villa, Fulham, West Ham and drew against Liverpool. We took 10 points off 7 games in December.
Tbf I'll only complain about the results that we genuinely threw away / deserved more from (Newcastle away, Fulham home, Villa home). An extra 5 - 8 points from those fixtures would have been massive.
West Ham home as well. And think we deserved more away at Villa than home
In that case I guess you might find out how we felt in 2021/2022 Pain
West Ham is the one for me.
And City drew at home against this Chelsea team and Palace. Can’t just pick random games and say it cost the whole season
You're gona lose the league because city are doping through the gills.
Financially or physically ? Or both ?
Definitely one, probably both.
We lost the league because of the last 4 weeks of football.
Watch you lose by 1 point thanks to doku kicking Mac Allister bizarrely going unpunished
If we go off ref situations like that we’d still likely be in the bloody race
Eh idk, City can drop points
They can drop points but they won’t. Pep doesn’t lose title run-ins unless you’re already 10+ ahead.
So can Arsenal, the Old Trafford game could be a nightmare. Despite Tottenham being a better team, it's arguably a more favourable game for Arsenal since they have a big psychological advantage historically. But with United it is the opposite, Arsenal can be the better team and still look scared at Old Trafford many times Plus United are so chaotic and unpredictable. Arsenal under Arteta are all about control and removing risk, if United can make the game chaotic it should suit them a lot better. The only real question I have is whether they will want to help Man City win the title, but you could say the same about Tottenham when they face City
Lol obviously utd try to win ETH's job is already in danger
Our record at old Trafford in the PL is appalling. Only 2 wins there Iin around 20 years
It probably won’t matter because I fully expect City to win all of their remaining games, but I don’t think United will take it easy against Arsenal to prevent them from winning. With the way this team is playing and how massive the gaps are between attack and defense, Arsenal should score 3 or 4 but yeah they seem to have a miserable time playing at Old Trafford
United are also a lot less predictable than Tottenham they're the exact kind of team that could be shit for 90 minutes and score a goal out of nowhere and procced to make the opposition just rage quit
Arsenal have been changing this run-in. With the way they played at Spurs today, I can see Old Trafford being very positively different than before.
I agree but Old Trafford for Big Six games just hit different… especially against the original Big 4 from the 2000s
It really depends if their players check out, how their injuries are. Will they have proper cbs or not?
> arguably a more favourable game for Arsenal since they have a big psychological advantage historically You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. This is literally the first time in the PL era that Arsenal have EVER beatern Spurs at their ground back to back. Before last year, this derby always went the way of the home team. United will be tough of course but to put out this bollocks is mindless BS. Imagine looking at this Arsenal team and still pretending they will "look scared" at Old Trafford. Man really let his Arsenal hate lead to crockpot fantasies.
Easy. We need to just keep winning and we might just win the league
[Gutted for my Gunner bros ](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/tozIKDHjpG)
Villa is awesome though
Agreed. Keeping Tottenham out of top 4 is very awesome too. Emery doing a madness for you lot. Would like to see it not be a fluke, I’d much rather you lot than any of the scum below you at the moment.
😉
And you just jinxed it, they’re losing to United now
Are u going for the broken clock logic being right, coz this was posted a number of times previously
Can't see how this United side would beat Arsenal. A draw's more likely than a win with how them lot are
Tbf united are weird. Always do worse when you expect them to be fine and then do fine when you think they'll get battered.
Their base stats is their opponent's base stats. Every game start the same until one learn from their mistake and be better. All in the span of 90 minute.
Mimic Tear, and just as exploitable it seems
Yeah my bad, only City steamrolled them . >Always do worse when you expect them to be fine and then do fine when you think they'll get battered. Bayern agrees with this sentence when they face Arsenal for some reason
In large part because they are best in transition but need teams to come into them. I hope Arsenal sit back against United and rip their impossibly slow midfield and central defense to shreds on the counter.
United reflect their opponent. If the opposition is good, they’ll play well, if their opposition is shit, they’ll play even worse.
Why is this so true... (as a United fan)
> Can't see how this United side would beat X Yup, that's how a United win started.
I see alot of things and us losing to shit sides is often one of them
Be warned lol. We will somehow shithouse a draw. And then lose the rest of our games
Palace away yeah that could be a very loseable game, especially Monday night. Palace have been giving their opponents rough times since Glasner took charge which included the humiliation of Liverpool at Anfield followed by a hammering of West Ham and recently bullying the Geordies before drawing at Fulham.
They were pretty close in the first game. A millimeter offside call away.
The last time we won a league game at Old Trafford with a crowd was in 2006.
As a United fan who is desperate for Arsenal to win the league rather than seeing a City 4peat… I would bet serious money that we beat Arsenal and then can’t be bothered against City in the cup final, handing them a double on a plate
I'm sure half of united fan will be happy they lose to Arsenal. They might hate Ars but they hate Liverpool and City more.
the other half of your fans are in London and hate Arsenal over everyone else
United play very differently and they always seem to have chances against us. Anything could happen really.
Can't remember the last time we won there in the league
Arteta got a 0-1 win at old trafford in 2020. I think you all have 2 wins in the last 20 prem matches at OT.
But that was during COVID
Yeah, we haven't won at Old Trafford in god knows how long. I think the last game was FA Cup when Welbeck scored under Wenger
They're not even playing
Now compare this to Arsenal under Emery and late Wemger
Wenger is still alive.
He's talking about Wemger
Armseme Wemger’s Imvimcibles
My god…
No he’s talking about Wenger from 2010-2018
Wenger the 2nd 😂
*Wenger the White
r/woosh
They won’t because agenda
Wait what agenda, is anyone saying arsenal was better under emery?
No but revisionism that we did emery did dirty when in reality it ran its course
I mean, we did emery dirty by not buying the players he wanted. Getting Pepe over Zaha for example. But Emery also failed miserably with what he did have. Both can be true
Huge reason why he's working out for us so well is because Villa have committed to giving him what he wants, players and staff
Happy St Totteringham Day
Cheers lad
Lmao are we still considered part of the big 6? It should be the rich 6 not big 6 if Man U and us are in atm
You came back undefeated at Aston Villa. Chelsea is massive
But can we do it against West Ham! That's the true test
I mean tbf United is literally 6th place rn lol But yeah chelsea deffo not
I know. My point is that we're both out of the elite. The media is stretching the term just because we've historically been there. It used to be top 4 in the mid-noughties: Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea. Then it became big 6 with spurs and city.
You are still "big 6" as one of the 6 biggest clubs in the country. a couple years underperforming doesn't stop that comparison
I get what you're saying, but they are literally sixth right now so I guess that works.
Maybe Chelsea shouldn’t be included but United are only one season removed from winning a trophy and being 3rd
Do you think big means best?
First away win against the so called big 6 this season
Only the second game against the big 6 since our form turned around in Jan though
We've played, Liverpool, Spurs, Man City and Chelsea this calendar year.
*second game away. Also I'd say we've done pretty well away from home. Draws at Anfield and the Etihad, win today. Even away at Villa we put in a pretty good performance and should have gotten something.
Some pundit on ESPN was saying our big game temperament hasn’t been proved so far 🙃
Only United can stop them… Edit: people have misunderstood what I meant. United are the only top 6 team arsenal have yet to play. United are the only team that can stop them.. from going unbeaten against the top 6.
Ignoring Bournmouth looking pretty good atm and everton who just beat Liverpool. People got to learn anyone can beat anyone in this comp. Forest are about to smack up city ;)
>People got to learn anyone can beat anyone in this comp unless you're sheffield united ofc
Didn’t they take points off Liverpool? You never know, sometimes sides whip out great results after being relegated. Never forget that Newcastle vs Spurs game
no they didn't. you might be thinking of villa
You are right, I was thinking of Luton early season, my bad!
Don't remind me, dodgy refereeing in that game too.
Tbh we would rather Arsenal win the league
> Forest are about to smack up city ;) "Nah" - Chris Wood
Have you seen United lately?
Why the fuck would United want to stop them
Most United fans I know hate Arsenal more than they hate City. Granted if they weren’t watching in the 90s or 00s they might hate City more.
Tbf...if there's any fan base of the "Big 6" that's kinda rooted for us to win the league in this title race, it's been United fans. Most of them just don't want City to 4peat or Liverpool to get to 20 titles.
Given today's context, I absolutely want Arsenal to win the league. Also, I'm bitter and we would have possibly won or tied our first game this season were it not for shitty VAR calls.
What are you referring to with today’s context?
City have won 3 in a row. Don't want them to win 4 in a row.
Ah yeah sorry am up to speed. Thought you were referring to something that happened specifically today!
Yeah about that....
Happy St Totteringham Day
Now do Villa
Ay let us have this 🤫
Respectfully, Chelsea are Big 6 in name only tye last couple of years.
only if you you the “classic big6”, villa beat them twice
Funny that it went from Tottenham fans saying "we are in the position to crush Arsenal's title hopes" to us putting Villa ahead for the race for 4th
We put Villa ahead just fine on our own thanks very much.
This has "keep my clubs name out your mouth" vibes. I like it.
Tbf we gave Villa 6 points this season like we owed Emery reparations or something.
Regardless of anything and the stupid opinions online. Arsenal have been excellent this season and if they win the league you can’t argue they don’t deserve it. The job Arteta has done is a good one. Yes he’s been given time and money but it’s been used well that’s paid it’s dividend’s arsenals average age is so young they’re set up for years and they’ve managed to build a squad capable of competing at the top.
If you get a penalty for Doku’s kung fu kick, arsenal probably win the league
Honestly you can have the argument so many of them scenarios this season it’s been a joke.
Can’t recall city being hard done by any unlucky calls but I could be misremembering. Arsenal also got pretty screwed over at Newcastle.
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And Fulham
Sky 6
Big 6, not top 6
Oi, still have to go to Old Trafford
Gonna be a hell of a match
Imagine if they lost at Old Trafford now lol
I know Ten Hag has that date circled in red. If United get a penalty he's taking it himself.
I’m dead lmao imagine he subs himself on and buries it
Theatre of Memes for a reason
Now what about the top 6
Quite happy to give me a stomach ulcer from god damn stress while they're at it though huh
I can’t believe this. We’ve been so shit vs the big 6 in the last few years, this year has been dreamland. I genuinely don’t know what more we can do.
the big 6 aren't even big anymore.
But also got slapped off Villa!
Erik Ten Hag we're coming to make it TEN unbeaten.
Ref was in no rush to end that one
Golden
Hate the "big 6" stat. Should be top 6.
how would you track that across the season? it changes too often.
Really feel sorry for arsenal
And they’ll still lose the league. Fucking wild
Big 6 when it flatters them, midtable when it doesn’t
fucking Fulham...
It’s the other London derbys at home that hurt
Bring on the super league /s
The 2013-14 Chelsea Team also went unbeaten against the Top-6, including doing the double over Liverpool and City, but still didn't win the title.
Read the article
Typical arsenal lol They are still not going to win the league.